[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. Truly, the man is mad, and anywhere in the noraml world he would be ridiculed into oblivion for such fascist- like statements. I've been intentionally staying out of this, because I'm just back from a fun mini-vacation and don't feel like diving back into the mud, but I'll make two comments and then post a few examples and then bow out. As I see it, the concept of a forum like this one is intellectual *exchange*, not intellectual *debate*. To assume that the latter is appropriate, one has to assume that one is right, that one knows the truth about something. I do not assume that I have that ability (to know the truth about situations regarding spirituality), but obviously some here *do* assume that about themselves, and try their best to turn almost *every* pleasant discussion into a head-to-head battle to prove who is right. That strikes me as pretty unevolved. The other thing that strikes me as pretty unevolved is the tendency on the part of these people (which is barely even *disguised* at this point) to avoid any discussion of the intellectual *points* that their enemies bring up, and just go straight for the throat, in the form of insulting or demonizing them. Lately Paul has been the main victim of this, but of course others have been targets of it in the past. I personally see it as last ditch panic on the part of a few people whose intellectual world is crumbling about them, and who don't like that much, so they put all their energy into trying to demonize the people who have come to believe the very things that *they* are coming to believe, but are still afraid to *admit* that they believe. Bottom line is their own words. I'm really tired of collecting all the THINGS TMers BELEVE quotes; just cutting and pasting them is an afront to the senses, but here are the last of them. Lets' allow those who are being talked about in these recent posts to speak for themselves, in their own defense, IN THEIR OWN WORDS: No sane person spends time compiling things like this. It's beyond right or wrong - it's pathological. Get a life. Now. Same person: Yawn, I don't keep track of every muse of the twisted meanderings of a mega-poster, I just rattle in now and again with something rational. Not something you seem to have a flare for if you think I fell into his so called 'trap'...OOOooo. Wow, what kind of born-again fanatic goes to all the trouble of compiling something of so little significance? Good point ! This B fellow seems to be oneofakind. It's alkohol, no ? B seems to enjoy the cheap french vino... He's [TM critic, the compiler of this list of quotes] never been able to handle challenges to his opinions; his freakouts typically occur when he's been getting more opposition than usual. This time I think there's just been too much of it for him to deal with. Whether alcohol is exacerbating things, who knows? To a person he's never met, in *any* city, but who compiled this list of quotes, many of which are his: Besides, I am pissed off that my post that said that I saw you staggering along on the streets of Paris, clutching an almost empty bottle of wine, and mumbling over and over something about 'TM bastards'..that post never made the list. I think he [the compiler of this list, on which her quotes appear consistently, and about which quotes he has made absolutely no comment] may be having a breakdown. He's always had periodic freakouts, but I've never seen him in such a manic, irrational tizzy. Same person: Wanted to add that I'm pretty sure B doesn't behave like this [that is, quoting *her* words and those of others like her] in his everyday life. Internet forums are an outlet so that he *doesn't* behave like a monster otherwise. Same person, after writing dozens of lines 'analyzing' the person who had done nothing more than quote her, and other TMers like her, and who didn't respond to her 'analysis' except to collect more of her quotes: I'm sure he'll 'intuit' some conclusions about me right back. Y'all can decide which of us has the clearer mind... On the suggestion that these issues be archived: Good idea. Then any rational person looking at it in the future will be able to conclude the extent of the ego-centrical nature of the posessed anti-TM fanatics. Believe me, any person of insight will quickly conclude that this is a fundamentalists fanaticism ranting at a group of fairly reasonable people who have normal civilized disagreements and bantor with each other. Responding to the person who suggested that this series of quotes be archived, two different long-term TMers: -- You just outed yourself, R. -- Just what I was thinking. Moral vacuum time. Responding to a person who had said: No one has any higher moral ground here. -- Only someone
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I'd go for five.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. Truly, the man is mad, and anywhere in the noraml world he would be ridiculed into oblivion for such fascist- like statements. I've been intentionally staying out of this, because I'm just back from a fun mini-vacation and don't feel like diving back into the mud, but I'll make two comments and then post a few examples and then bow out. I know that this compiling of quotes is difficult for you, but you have been lagging lately. I for one encourage you to continue this pursuit of yours, as it does shed light on the issue at hand. You have only posted two of these compilations thus far.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. Truly, the man is mad, and anywhere in the noraml world he would be ridiculed into oblivion for such fascist- like statements. I've been intentionally staying out of this, because I'm just back from a fun mini-vacation and don't feel like diving back into the mud, but I'll make two comments and then post a few examples and then bow out. [snipt 350 lines by Unc] Er, Barry? That was hardly a few examples. That was 350 lines of text to respond to a paragraph. [hey Rick, have you ever wondered at your exceptionally precise filter where you can criticize me for one-line me too posts which are pithy and to-the-point, and yet ignore Uncle Barry's growing OCD issues?]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I'd go for five. Unlimited lines per post, though... [Yes, Rick, another one-liner. I'm sure I offend everyone with them because they never have a point]
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I think that's a good one. It would keep people like spraig from firing off dozens of me too posts. Since when has he made *any* me too posts?? You know what I mean. He feels compelled to respond to ever post and his responses often consist of a two or three word comment. And he never snips, despite having been asked to do so many times. And with regard to personal attacks, how would you deal with posts like Barry's, in which he attacks people without naming them? Vaj does this as well, and so does Paul. Personal attacks of any kind by anyone should result and restriction or termination of one's posting rights. I'm just reticent to play the role of policeman.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:24 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. Truly, the man is mad, and anywhere in the noraml world he would be ridiculed into oblivion for such fascist- like statements. I've been intentionally staying out of this, because I'm just back from a fun mini-vacation and don't feel like diving back into the mud, but I'll make two comments and then post a few examples and then bow out. [snipt 350 lines by Unc] Er, Barry? That was hardly a few examples. That was 350 lines of text to respond to a paragraph. [hey Rick, have you ever wondered at your exceptionally precise filter where you can criticize me for one-line me too posts which are pithy and to-the-point, and yet ignore Uncle Barry's growing OCD issues?] I wouldn't so much mind your short posts if you had the courtesy to snip, as you did this time. If Barry wants to write long posts, I have no problem with that. It's hard to write dozens of long posts, and if people don't like them, they can delete them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I think that's a good one. It would keep people like spraig from firing off dozens of me too posts. Since when has he made *any* me too posts?? You know what I mean. He feels compelled to respond to ever post and his responses often consist of a two or three word comment. And he never snips, despite having been asked to do so many times. You're ignoring all the times I DO snip. And I don't respond to every post. And 2 or 3 words is all that is required to get my point across... IF you are paying attention...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig [...] [hey Rick, have you ever wondered at your exceptionally precise filter where you can criticize me for one-line me too posts which are pithy and to-the-point, and yet ignore Uncle Barry's growing OCD issues?] I wouldn't so much mind your short posts if you had the courtesy to snip, as you did this time. If Barry wants to write long posts, I have no problem with that. It's hard to write dozens of long posts, and if people don't like them, they can delete them. Your filter is working overtime.
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But again, someone would have to spend a lot of time monitoring and counting posts Rick, we already have subscribers who would love to do some of the monitoring. No one needs to count all of the posts by all of the posters daily, but if an AMTer goes over the daily limit, someone will be eager to report it. We could probably get a 900 number and charge them 25 dollars to make a report and still they'd call. :) --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I think that's a good one. It would keep people like spraig from firing off dozens of me too posts. But again, someone would have to spend a lot of time monitoring and counting posts. Yahoo isn't so sophisticated a system that you can cut off someone's posting rights after a specified quota has been reached. Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
gullible fool wrote: ...but if an AMTer goes over the daily limit, someone will be eager to report it. What, exactly, is an AMTer?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've been intentionally staying out of this, because I'm just back from a fun mini-vacation and don't feel like diving back into the mud, but I'll make two comments and then post a few examples and then bow out. (Of course, he *didn't* bow out.) As I see it, the concept of a forum like this one is intellectual *exchange*, not intellectual *debate*. To assume that the latter is appropriate, one has to assume that one is right, that one knows the truth about something. In fact, while that is the *position* one must take to debate anything, it does *not* mean that one is actually convinced it's the case. In a debate undertaken in good faith, it's the positions themselves that are being debated, not the debaters' adherence to those positions. The goal is a kind of dialectic in which the strengths and weaknesses of the respective positions become clearer, and the positions are modified and refined accordingly. Ideally, the end result is that two initially opposing positions, through this process of modification and refinement, become agreement. In practice--even good-faith practice-- that rarely happens, but what *should* happen is that the most fundamental areas of disagreement become evident and are seen to be evenly matched. This process of refinement and getting down to basics tends not to occur in mere exchange, so it's less threatening to people who don't want to have to modify their positions or understand their weaknesses. I do not assume that I have that ability (to know the truth about situations regarding spirituality), but obviously some here *do* assume that about themselves, and try their best to turn almost *every* pleasant discussion into a head-to-head battle to prove who is right. That strikes me as pretty unevolved. And what strikes me is that if you didn't have a major investment in your own positions, you wouldn't automatically assume that every challenge to them could be characterized in this manner. You use this characterization, moreover, as a thought-stopper to put down the challengers and avoid actually examining your positions. The other thing that strikes me as pretty unevolved is the tendency on the part of these people (which is barely even *disguised* at this point) to avoid any discussion of the intellectual *points* that their enemies bring up, and just go straight for the throat, in the form of insulting or demonizing them. (Just to remind everyone once again that enemies is *Barry's* term, even though he puts it in quotes as if it's one used by the folks he's attacking.) And another thought-stopper, the characterization of any criticism as insulting or demonizing. The underlying assumption of Barry's here is that *no* criticism of TM critics is valid. TM *supporters*, in stark contrast, are the constant targets of Barry's criticisms. He sees absolutely no problem with insulting and demonizing *them*. And if you actually pay attention to his posts, you'll find precious little in the way of discussion of the intellectual points made by TM supporters. Lately Paul has been the main victim of this, but of course others have been targets of it in the past. I personally see it as last ditch panic on the part of a few people whose intellectual world is crumbling about them, and who don't like that much, so they put all their energy into trying to demonize the people who have come to believe the very things that *they* are coming to believe, but are still afraid to *admit* that they believe. Another comforting thought-stopper, again with the underlying assumption that no criticism of TM critics by TM supporters is valid. But turn it around. What does Barry's constant vicious personal attacks on TM supporters, and his refusal to discuss their substantive points, say about the state of *Barry's* intellectual world?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gullible fool Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:22 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped But again, someone would have to spend a lot of time monitoring and counting posts Rick, we already have subscribers who would love to do some of the monitoring. No one needs to count all of the posts by all of the posters daily, but if an AMTer goes over the daily limit, someone will be eager to report it. Would you be willing to be the one they report it to? And really, the problem is not quantity but quality, isn't it? But perhaps the two are connected. If there were a limit on the number of posts people could make, they would take care to write quality posts. So that's one possibility - place a quota on posting if someone is willing to monitor it and change the status of offenders. The other is to monitor those who bicker with one another. Any takers?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Bottom line is their own words. I'm really tired of collecting all the THINGS TMers BELEVE quotes; just cutting and pasting them is an afront to the senses, but here are the last of them. Lets' allow those who are being talked about in these recent posts to speak for themselves, in their own defense, IN THEIR OWN WORDS: Actually many of the quotes here are from your previous compilations. Do you even realize that? It also appears it's getting harder and harder for you to find quotes that actually justify inclusion. You attempt to make up for this in many cases by providing false context. Lets' allow those who are being talked about in these recent posts to speak for themselves, in their own defense, IN THEIR OWN WORDS: Let's also see a few examples of how either the lack of context, or the deliberately distorted context Barry is pleased to provide, gives a thoroughly misleading impression of the nature of the posts from which they were taken. I'll focus primarily on mine because I'm most familiar with the context, and because Barry has had to subject them to the worst distortions to create the impression he intends: snip He's [TM critic, the compiler of this list of quotes] never been able to handle challenges to his opinions; his freakouts typically occur when he's been getting more opposition than usual. This time I think there's just been too much of it for him to deal with. Whether alcohol is exacerbating things, who knows? Out of context, this quote appears to indicate that I'm suggesting alcohol is a factor in Barry's behavior. In fact, I was responding to someone else's suggestion to this effect, merely acknowledging that it *could* be a factor (as it could be in anyone else's posts), but that there was no way to tell, so it was essentially irrelevant. To a person he's never met, in *any* city, but who compiled this list of quotes, many of which are his: Besides, I am pissed off that my post that said that I saw you staggering along on the streets of Paris, clutching an almost empty bottle of wine, and mumbling over and over something about 'TM bastards'..that post never made the list. Barry fails to acknowledge here, as he does in quite a few similar cases, that this quote was intended to be humorous, poking fun at Barry (Barry, who has always been an advocate of laughing at oneself, as long as it's not him who has to do it). snip Same person: Wanted to add that I'm pretty sure B doesn't behave like this [that is, quoting *her* words and those of others like her] in his everyday life. Internet forums are an outlet so that he *doesn't* behave like a monster otherwise. Here Barry provides deliberately false context. I was speaking generally of Barry's attacks on TM supporters, not referring specifically to his quoting exercise. Same person, after writing dozens of lines 'analyzing' the person who had done nothing more than quote her, and other TMers like her, and who didn't respond to her 'analysis' except to collect more of her quotes: I'm sure he'll 'intuit' some conclusions about me right back. Y'all can decide which of us has the clearer mind... Those who aren't acquainted with Barry, of course, will be unaware that he's already written thousands and thousands of lines analyzing me, so my expectation that this is how he'd respond to my analysis of him was entirely reasonable. snip Responding to a person who had said: No one has any higher moral ground here. -- Only someone who, like R [founder of the TM-related forum on which criticism of TM is allowed], is living in a moral vacuum could say such a thing. P.S. Sod off. Here Barry carefully omits to mention that in context, No one meant neither Judy nor Barry and referred specifically to the *personal* disputes between us-- not, as the deliberately false context he supplies suggests, to the morality of criticism of TM on this forum in general. snip After having made over a dozen posts on three different Internet forums complaining about her words being supposedly being quoted out of context here: Not just *my* words, and not supposedly but *demonstrably* out of context, or with deliberately *false* context. Mr. Fully Self Realized: In San Francisco the word is among those working in the business district to not even look at the pandhandlers, unless you want to be followed down the street by someone cursing you for not paying up. Before I knew that, I tried to talk to a homeless guy around Union Square and ended up being called a 'mf' because I wouldn't give him more than a buck. Cheery bunch. Hard to know what point Barry wanted to make with this quote, but because he's included it in a compilation of other more apparently questionable quotes, Barry hopes readers will just assume there must be *something* wrong with it. As I say, he's getting hard up for quotes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I think that's a good one. It would keep people like spraig from firing off dozens of me too posts. Since when has he made *any* me too posts?? You know what I mean. He feels compelled to respond to ever post and his responses often consist of a two or three word comment. No, I didn't know what you meant. A me too post is quite different from the kind of thing Lawson posts. And I can't recall anytime he's made a two- or three- word comment; you're exaggerating. Nor does he respond to every post. His comments are usually succinct--is that a *flaw*, in your view?--and often quite trenchant, if you actually read and consider them. Perhaps you assume that because they're short, they couldn't possibly be substantive? And he never snips, despite having been asked to do so many times. That isn't true either. He's been doing a lot of snipping recently. There are others here who *never* do it and are never reproved for it. And with regard to personal attacks, how would you deal with posts like Barry's, in which he attacks people without naming them? Vaj does this as well, and so does Paul. Personal attacks of any kind by anyone should result and restriction or termination of one's posting rights. You didn't respond to what I was asking. I'm talking about Barry's There are some here who... posts, or his posts attacking TM supporters generally. I'm just reticent to play the role of policeman. I'd be willing to bet a considerable sum that if you cracked down on Barry--and to a lesser extent on Vaj (because he doesn't make as many posts)--you'd find the atmosphere here taking a very distinct turn for the better. Alex Stanley--one of the more objective posters here-- observed awhile back, after Barry had returned from an extended absence, that while he had been away, things had been significantly more mellow. A substantial portion of the ugliness on this forum is generated by Barry's attacks, because not only are they vicious, they're typically dishonest and unfair, and his targets are unwilling to take being slandered lying down.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But again, someone would have to spend a lot of time monitoring and counting posts Rick, we already have subscribers who would love to do some of the monitoring. No one needs to count all of the posts by all of the posters daily, but if an AMTer goes over the daily limit, someone will be eager to report it. (Non-AMTers, of course, will be exempt.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
jstein wrote: How's that been working for you, Barry? So, it's all about Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
He feels compelled to respond to ever post and his responses often consist of a two or three word comment. jstein wrote: A me too post is quite different from the kind of thing Lawson posts. So, now it's all about Lawson.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
Rick, we already have subscribers who would love to do some of the monitoring. No one needs to count all of the posts by all of the posters daily, but if an AMTer goes over the daily limit, someone will be eager to report it. jstein wrote: (Non-AMTers, of course, will be exempt.) What about AMT lurkers?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He feels compelled to respond to ever post and his responses often consist of a two or three word comment. jstein wrote: A me too post is quite different from the kind of thing Lawson posts. So, now it's all about Lawson. Well, yeah.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
So, now it's all about Lawson. Well, yeah. Me too!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. Pah. My pithy one-liners are farm more inspired and inspiring than Uncle Barry's pages-long diatribes. How about limiting the amount of original text? Exactly. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I think that's a good one. It would keep people like spraig from firing off dozens of me too posts. But again, someone would have to spend a lot of time monitoring and counting posts. Yahoo isn't so sophisticated a system that you can cut off someone's posting rights after a specified quota has been reached. I think your prejudice comes out here Rick and you should be banned for this:-) Sparaig is often rational and to the point, instead of some long- winded flatulent monologue by some pontificator know-it-all. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. Truly, the man is mad, and anywhere in the noraml world he would be ridiculed into oblivion for such fascist- like statements. I've been intentionally staying out of this, because I'm just back from a fun mini-vacation and don't feel like diving back into the mud, but I'll make two comments and then post a few examples and then bow out. ROTFL ! See my post: Turquoise B in his own words OffWorld
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
Would you be willing to be the one they report it to? And really, the problem is not quantity but quality, isn't it? But perhaps the two are connected. Rick, I'm fine with putting someone on moderation who posts too many times in one day, as long as someone takes the time to report it first. Some of these large posters are on block and I'm not going to change that just now to start counting their posts. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gullible fool Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:22 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped But again, someone would have to spend a lot of time monitoring and counting posts Rick, we already have subscribers who would love to do some of the monitoring. No one needs to count all of the posts by all of the posters daily, but if an AMTer goes over the daily limit, someone will be eager to report it. Would you be willing to be the one they report it to? And really, the problem is not quantity but quality, isn't it? But perhaps the two are connected. If there were a limit on the number of posts people could make, they would take care to write quality posts. So that's one possibility - place a quota on posting if someone is willing to monitor it and change the status of offenders. The other is to monitor those who bicker with one another. Any takers? Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:34 PM, gullible fool wrote: Rick, I'm fine with putting someone on moderation who posts too many times in one day How about if the *moderator* posts too many times n one day? Oh, the quandary... Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
I may have posted more today than I posted all year. --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:34 PM, gullible fool wrote: Rick, I'm fine with putting someone on moderation who posts too many times in one day How about if the *moderator* posts too many times n one day? Oh, the quandary... Sal Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gullible fool Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 10:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped Would you be willing to be the one they report it to? And really, the problem is not quantity but quality, isn't it? But perhaps the two are connected. Rick, I'm fine with putting someone on moderation who posts too many times in one day, as long as someone takes the time to report it first. Some of these large posters are on block and I'm not going to change that just now to start counting their posts. Someone has volunteered to count.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Peter wrote: I agree with you. Many, not all though, of the AMT people have ruined FFL. Other than my joking posts, I rarely post anymore. I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Vaj, I remember about a year ago when I tried to honestly discuss some significant spiritual experiences on FFL, you were one of the worst at trying to ridicule my attempts. So to see you all templed fingers and reasonableness now makes for a good chuckle, but does nothing to restore what little integrity you may have had. You have shown yourself to be one of the biggest hypocrites on this list.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
FFL was pleasant because for the most part the people wanted it like that. (Although I did get an email on the side who was trying to poison my mind about Richard. I found it odd at the time. It was the only sign I say that TM forums could be unpleasant. Now who sent that...? He posted at AMT too, in those days. Bob someone or other I believe.) Vaj, I think you are right, the basic motivation of the 'insurgents' seems combative, bombastic. It is almost always confrontational and looking for a fight. There is an inbuilt assumption that one is spoiling for a fight. It doesn't even seem to occur to them that there might be anything to be gained from an exchange of information and opinions, without resorting to unpleasantness. I saw the way Richard was ragged on AMT, but largely it was undeserved, he was just looking for answers. It seemed to me he wasn't getting them on TM forums. But why rag him? I have travelled widely in the Islamic world and NEVER come up against the fundamentalists. They get on underground trains whilst decent people are going off to work, all shades of human skin, all kinds of humanity, and let off bombs. The fundamentalist doesn't have regard for others. The TM-terrorist has no regard for others either. Perhaps it is the Maharishi's fault, with his 'damn democracy' and his 'scorpion nation', he is encouraging rabid behaviour in his shock troops. So perhaps Maharishi was once a saint and then he lost it, but there is no reason for everyone to lose it! Please turn over a new leaf everyone and at least be polite to one another. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Peter wrote: I agree with you. Many, not all though, of the AMT people have ruined FFL. Other than my joking posts, I rarely post anymore. I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I seem to remember New Morn came up with some nice ideas that seemed worth implementing. IIRC it was something like first time you're banned for posting a couple of days and then each time thereafter, longer. It seems to me there would have to be a limit, a three strikes and you're out kinda thing. I really don't think it would be hard to implement because it really is a case of 'a couple of bad apples spoiling the whole bunch'. Someone referred to you and new morn at the time as kiddies who enjoy pulling the wings off flies, as I recall. Who are the bad apples Vaj?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
I went to a party held by some devotees of a spiritual path, I was surprised that they were all sitting around smoking spliffs and getting into drink too. I was even more surprised when one of the kids came and sat on my head. It was hard for the stoned party goers to realise how much the kids needed a bit of attention and parenting, as their philosphy was live and let live. Mmmm, by the way, did I mention it was the kid's birthday party? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I seem to remember New Morn came up with some nice ideas that seemed worth implementing. IIRC it was something like first time you're banned for posting a couple of days and then each time thereafter, longer. It seems to me there would have to be a limit, a three strikes and you're out kinda thing. I really don't think it would be hard to implement because it really is a case of 'a couple of bad apples spoiling the whole bunch'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Wait, wait, wait. *TMers* are supposed to be the paranoid ones on this forum. Jeez, talk about feeling threatened. It's understandable that folks who've enjoyed playing around in an echo chamber for some time would get their noses out of joint when some new voices come along that don't quite blend in and may even challenge the comfortable echoes. But to call them *terrorists*?? And Vaj has now joined Barry in developing some kind of phobia about identifying me by name. He also, perhaps needless to say, grossly misrepresents something I said. And no, none of us came here with the intention of sending this forum down the tubes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So perhaps Maharishi was once a saint and then he lost it, but there is no reason for everyone to lose it! Please turn over a new leaf everyone and at least be polite to one another. Yourself included, right, Paul? Then Lawson, you are a coward as well as a fool! Interestingly, you are the first and only person I know of who has every attempted to cast aspertions [sic] on the reputation of Guru Dev. In your bid to champion his student Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, you dishonour his guru? You have my utter contempt and scorn 1. for being a coward 2. being so dishonourable.--Paul Mason, February 13, 2007, on FFL (What Lawson had said that so outraged Paul: MMY, though he will never acknowledge the fact, surpassed his Master many decades ago.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Wait, wait, wait. *TMers* are supposed to be the paranoid ones on this forum. Jeez, talk about feeling threatened. It's understandable that folks who've enjoyed playing around in an echo chamber for some time would get their noses out of joint when some new voices come along that don't quite blend in and may even challenge the comfortable echoes. But to call them *terrorists*?? And Vaj has now joined Barry in developing some kind of phobia about identifying me by name. He also, perhaps needless to say, grossly misrepresents something I said. And no, none of us came here with the intention of sending this forum down the tubes. Looks like the tide has turned against those who as you say have enjoyed FFL as a free dumping ground on all things TM...perhaps they must now open their wallets to those over at TM Free Blog- a symbiotic match if I ever saw one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
Do you practice TM? I doubt it. You and the other trouble makers just like blah-blah-blah blah-blah-blah. I'd be surprised if you found time to practice meditation. Certainly, you like to appear as if you are well informed and that you have some connection with Guru Dev, but really is it more than blah-blah-blah? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Wait, wait, wait. *TMers* are supposed to be the paranoid ones on this forum. Jeez, talk about feeling threatened. It's understandable that folks who've enjoyed playing around in an echo chamber for some time would get their noses out of joint when some new voices come along that don't quite blend in and may even challenge the comfortable echoes. But to call them *terrorists*?? And Vaj has now joined Barry in developing some kind of phobia about identifying me by name. He also, perhaps needless to say, grossly misrepresents something I said. And no, none of us came here with the intention of sending this forum down the tubes. Looks like the tide has turned against those who as you say have enjoyed FFL as a free dumping ground on all things TM...perhaps they must now open their wallets to those over at TM Free Blog- a symbiotic match if I ever saw one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you practice TM? I doubt it. You and the other trouble makers just like blah-blah-blah blah-blah-blah. I'd be surprised if you found time to practice meditation. Certainly, you like to appear as if you are well informed and that you have some connection with Guru Dev, but really is it more than blah-blah-blah? Have you checked out the statistics I compiled? Yes, I have practiced TM for 31+ years, 2x per day for 20 minutes per session. Anyone can have a connection with Guru Dev- nothing special about that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first came to FFL it was because I wished to contact Richard Williams (because he seemed the most prominent voice of those looking for answers about Maharishi). Well, I was politely pointed in the direction of AMT. But whilst here I noticed it was a pretty orderly restrained sort of a gentleman's club sort of atmosphere, with some well-reasoned and polite debate going on. I was glad I had found FFL. They marshalled their arguments with information that they had worked hard to find. I cite L B Shriver in particular, not because I agreed with his viewpoint, but he actually bothered to research before he put forward his thoughts. Well, at Google AMT I attempted to level with those who had unfairly criticised my bio, only to find the criticism was founded on ignorance, the critic had not actually read the book, and someone else just assumed they knew what they were talking about, so more uninformed criticism! That was my introduction to TM forums. After a time I mentioned FFL at AMT and Uncle Tantra (Turquoise) migrated to FFL and it seemed that things at FFL were thereby improved, not that they needed to really. ROTFLMAO ! You live in a dream world ! OffWorld However, something else happened, there was a change in the ethos, for the worse. This might have been the time that certain other individuals turned up too, but it soon turned into what AMT had been, a playground without any supervision. That would have been fine of course if things had stayed playful. Interestingly, the deterioration in the standard of debates where the postings are now usually reduced to personal insults, racism, the use of hate vocabulary 'evil','wicked', 'rakshasa' 'dog' etc etc. has meant that there is no longer any real point in contributing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Peter wrote: I agree with you. Many, not all though, of the AMT people have ruined FFL. Other than my joking posts, I rarely post anymore. I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Vaj, I remember about a year ago when I tried to honestly discuss some significant spiritual experiences on FFL, you were one of the worst at trying to ridicule my attempts. So to see you all templed fingers and reasonableness now makes for a good chuckle, but does nothing to restore what little integrity you may have had. You have shown yourself to be one of the biggest hypocrites on this list. Oh he's such a good lad reallyjust doesn't portray that side of himself on FFL. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you. Many, not all though, of the AMT people have ruined FFL. Other than my joking posts, I rarely post anymore. I noticed that you are incapable of reasoned debate Peter, therefore...you sky the park every time. OffWorld --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first came to FFL it was because I wished to contact Richard Williams (because he seemed the most prominent voice of those looking for answers about Maharishi). Well, I was politely pointed in the direction of AMT. But whilst here I noticed it was a pretty orderly restrained sort of a gentleman's club sort of atmosphere, with some well-reasoned and polite debate going on. I was glad I had found FFL. They marshalled their arguments with information that they had worked hard to find. I cite L B Shriver in particular, not because I agreed with his viewpoint, but he actually bothered to research before he put forward his thoughts. Well, at Google AMT I attempted to level with those who had unfairly criticised my bio, only to find the criticism was founded on ignorance, the critic had not actually read the book, and someone else just assumed they knew what they were talking about, so more uninformed criticism! That was my introduction to TM forums. After a time I mentioned FFL at AMT and Uncle Tantra (Turquoise) migrated to FFL and it seemed that things at FFL were thereby improved, not that they needed to really. However, something else happened, there was a change in the ethos, for the worse. This might have been the time that certain other individuals turned up too, but it soon turned into what AMT had been, a playground without any supervision. That would have been fine of course if things had stayed playful. Interestingly, the deterioration in the standard of debates where the postings are now usually reduced to personal insults, racism, the use of hate vocabulary 'evil','wicked', 'rakshasa' 'dog' etc etc. has meant that there is no longer any real point in contributing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Peter wrote: I agree with you. Many, not all though, of the AMT people have ruined FFL. Other than my joking posts, I rarely post anymore. I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Vaj, I remember about a year ago when I tried to honestly discuss some significant spiritual experiences on FFL, you were one of the worst at trying to ridicule my attempts. So to see you all templed fingers and reasonableness now makes for a good chuckle, but does nothing to restore what little integrity you may have had. You have shown yourself to be one of the biggest hypocrites on this list. Oh he's such a good lad reallyjust doesn't portray that side of himself on FFL. OffWorld I can accept that. I had a good exchange with him on another forum where he uses his real name. Just don't get his unbalanced bashing of Maharishi here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Wait, wait, wait. *TMers* are supposed to be the paranoid ones on this forum. Jeez, talk about feeling threatened. It's understandable that folks who've enjoyed playing around in an echo chamber for some time would get their noses out of joint when some new voices come along that don't quite blend in and may even challenge the comfortable echoes. But to call them *terrorists*?? You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. Truly, the man is mad, and anywhere in the noraml world he would be ridiculed into oblivion for such fascist-like statements. OffWorld And Vaj has now joined Barry in developing some kind of phobia about identifying me by name. He also, perhaps needless to say, grossly misrepresents something I said. And no, none of us came here with the intention of sending this forum down the tubes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I seem to remember New Morn came up with some nice ideas that seemed worth implementing. IIRC it was something like first time you're banned for posting a couple of days and then each time thereafter, longer. It seems to me there would have to be a limit, a three strikes and you're out kinda thing. I really don't think it would be hard to implement because it really is a case of 'a couple of bad apples spoiling the whole bunch'. Wow, you wouldn't last long Vaj. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you practice TM? I doubt it. You and the other trouble makers just like blah-blah-blah blah-blah-blah. I'd be surprised if you found time to practice meditation. Certainly, you like to appear as if you are well informed and that you have some connection with Guru Dev, but really is it more than blah-blah-blah? Please turn over a new leaf everyone and at least be polite to one another.--Paul Mason, 3/17/07, 7:30 pm EST
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: snip So perhaps Maharishi was once a saint and then he lost it, but there is no reason for everyone to lose it! Please turn over a new leaf everyone and at least be polite to one another. Yourself included, right, Paul? Then Lawson, you are a coward as well as a fool! Interestingly, you are the first and only person I know of who has every attempted to cast aspertions [sic] on the reputation of Guru Dev. In your bid to champion his student Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, you dishonour his guru? You have my utter contempt and scorn 1. for being a coward 2. being so dishonourable.--Paul Mason, February 13, 2007, on FFL (What Lawson had said that so outraged Paul: MMY, though he will never acknowledge the fact, surpassed his Master many decades ago.) Here's another ad hominem attempt by Paul: ..That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Post 133031 OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: snip So perhaps Maharishi was once a saint and then he lost it, but there is no reason for everyone to lose it! Please turn over a new leaf everyone and at least be polite to one another. Yourself included, right, Paul? Then Lawson, you are a coward as well as a fool! Interestingly, you are the first and only person I know of who has every attempted to cast aspertions [sic] on the reputation of Guru Dev. In your bid to champion his student Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, you dishonour his guru? You have my utter contempt and scorn 1. for being a coward 2. being so dishonourable.--Paul Mason, February 13, 2007, on FFL (What Lawson had said that so outraged Paul: MMY, though he will never acknowledge the fact, surpassed his Master many decades ago.) Here's another ad hominem attempt by Paul: ..That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Post 133031 Why is it that those talking heads who try to trash me, never ever come up with any souceable useful information to gainsay any of my research or propositions? You just use me as the fall guy to give vent to your fury which might be more appropriately directed to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Shame on you!!! Ironically, it is you who wish to appear as supporters, protectors and advocates of TM, that seem to disprove just about ALL the claims MMY made for his meditation. Is it true that none of you are meditators and that you are hirelings of some fundamentalist anti-MMY, anti-TM organisation in the pay of the CIA? 132648 But none of the posters who are so prone to vitriolic outbursts have produced any research at all, just billowing hot-air, and sometimes polluted at that. That I produce wodges of quotes from Maharishi, Guru Dev, Satyanand, Charlie Lutes seems to be of no value to these so-called defenders of Maharishi and TM. They seem to think they will earn their laurels by being anti-Paul Mason? Whatever! But at the end of the day, they know they have contributed nothing worthwhile for their cause. 135467 And several more today as well. These only go back a month; I could look for earlier ones if anyone's interested.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
off_world_beings wrote: You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. You are a case in point. They tried to get me fired from my job. They called me a liar, a scumbucket, and a drug addict. They took AMT down the tubes and when they got tired of that they stalked me over here. They are truly an obsessed and insane bunch of fanatics. It's Saturday night and they can't even get a date. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. You are a case in point. You are saying I am a terrorist ??! if ever there was a case for banning someone, I would say that is one. They tried to get me fired from my job. They called me a liar, a scumbucket, and a drug addict. They took AMT down the tubes and when they got tired of that they stalked me over here. They are truly an obsessed and insane bunch of fanatics. It's Saturday night and they can't even get a date. Go figure. I just got back from 6 hours of downhill skiing and night skiing .and you?... done anything fun today Willy? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: You truly have to be mentally insane to call someone a terrorist for disagreeing with you on a forum. You are a case in point. They tried to get me fired from my job. Nobody tried to get you fired from your job. They called me a liar, a scumbucket, and a drug addict. They took AMT down the tubes and when they got tired of that they stalked me over here. We came over here after you had taken alt.m.t down the tubes, actually. As to stalking you, of the 700-some posts you've made here, all but 90 were made after we got here. Of that 90, all but 12 were made in October 2004, and those 12 were made in November 2003. So it isn't exactly as though you were a regular presence on FFL before we arrived. In fact, you've only become one quite recently. They are truly an obsessed and insane bunch of fanatics. It's Saturday night and they can't even get a date. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I seem to remember New Morn came up with some nice ideas that seemed worth implementing. IIRC it was something like first time you're banned for posting a couple of days and then each time thereafter, longer. It seems to me there would have to be a limit, a three strikes and you're out kinda thing. I really don't think it would be hard to implement because it really is a case of 'a couple of bad apples spoiling the whole bunch'. Notice that Vaj says nothing about criteria or ensuring objectivity, which was the main point of Rick's question. Perhaps he's thinking of volunteering...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Moderating a list, especially one this large would not be fun. In fact it would be a PITA. I know, I moderate a list. Don't be fooled by the membership size: most people do not post, there is only a small segment that would need moderating. I'm left wondering if the huge segment of lurkers are simply AFRAID to post (granted in most lists, only a minority post, but still,it seems there should be more). Posting here is kinda like going shopping in downtown Fallujah, you never know what might hit you. In a day where employers check you internet presence as part of your pre- interview background check, a place like this is truly dangerous. FairfieldLife = Digital Fullajah-Life ? You obviously have no idea how ironic your words appear to some of us...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Peter wrote: I agree with you. Many, not all though, of the AMT people have ruined FFL. Other than my joking posts, I rarely post anymore. I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Can't stand disagreement, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Peter wrote: I agree with you. Many, not all though, of the AMT people have ruined FFL. Other than my joking posts, I rarely post anymore. I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Vaj, I remember about a year ago when I tried to honestly discuss some significant spiritual experiences on FFL, you were one of the worst at trying to ridicule my attempts. So to see you all templed fingers and reasonableness now makes for a good chuckle, but does nothing to restore what little integrity you may have had. You have shown yourself to be one of the biggest hypocrites on this list. This post is a perfect example of what Vaj means. You see, before the AMT people showed up, no-one ever disagreed with him...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FFL was pleasant because for the most part the people wanted it like that. (Although I did get an email on the side who was trying to poison my mind about Richard. I found it odd at the time. It was the only sign I say that TM forums could be unpleasant. Now who sent that...? He posted at AMT too, in those days. Bob someone or other I believe.) Vaj, I think you are right, the basic motivation of the 'insurgents' seems combative, bombastic. It is almost always confrontational and looking for a fight. There is an inbuilt assumption that one is spoiling for a fight. It doesn't even seem to occur to them that there might be anything to be gained from an exchange of information and opinions, without resorting to unpleasantness. I saw the way Richard was ragged on AMT, but largely it was undeserved, he was just looking for answers. It seemed to me he wasn't getting them on TM forums. But why rag him? I have travelled widely in the Islamic world and NEVER come up against the fundamentalists. They get on underground trains whilst decent people are going off to work, all shades of human skin, all kinds of humanity, and let off bombs. The fundamentalist doesn't have regard for others. The TM-terrorist has no regard for others either. Perhaps it is the Maharishi's fault, with his 'damn democracy' and his 'scorpion nation', he is encouraging rabid behaviour in his shock troops. So perhaps Maharishi was once a saint and then he lost it, but there is no reason for everyone to lose it! Please turn over a new leaf everyone and at least be polite to one another. At least admit that MMY has surpassed Gurudev, Paul.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Really, that was likely their goal all along. One of them even said she'd do this till she died. That doesn't sound much different from an Islamic terrorist. The list has been destroyed by insurgents, quite literally. Wait, wait, wait. *TMers* are supposed to be the paranoid ones on this forum. Jeez, talk about feeling threatened. It's understandable that folks who've enjoyed playing around in an echo chamber for some time would get their noses out of joint when some new voices come along that don't quite blend in and may even challenge the comfortable echoes. But to call them *terrorists*?? And Vaj has now joined Barry in developing some kind of phobia about identifying me by name. He also, perhaps needless to say, grossly misrepresents something I said. And no, none of us came here with the intention of sending this forum down the tubes. Looks like the tide has turned against those who as you say have enjoyed FFL as a free dumping ground on all things TM...perhaps they must now open their wallets to those over at TM Free Blog- a symbiotic match if I ever saw one. A little light goes off. Paul is on the TMFree team...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Moderating a list, especially one this large would not be fun. In fact it would be a PITA. I know, I moderate a list. Don't be fooled by the membership size: most people do not post, there is only a small segment that would need moderating. I'm left wondering if the huge segment of lurkers are simply AFRAID to post (granted in most lists, only a minority post, but still,it seems there should be more). Posting here is kinda like going shopping in downtown Fallujah, you never know what might hit you. In a day where employers check you internet presence as part of your pre- interview background check, a place like this is truly dangerous. FairfieldLife = Digital Fullajah-Life ? Are you REALLY suggesting that there is some kind of comparison?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. Pah. My pithy one-liners are farm more inspired and inspiring than Uncle Barry's pages-long diatribes. How about limiting the amount of original text?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. Pah. My pithy one-liners are farm more inspired and inspiring than Uncle Barry's pages- long diatribes. How about limiting the amount of original text? ...farm more...? Has a certain kind of logic to it... My posts are more, well, farmy...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped Vaj: I second that, moderating is needed by someone otherwise this list is down the tubes. Rick: How would you suggest it be moderated? If someone volunteered to do it, what criteria would they follow? How would they be objective? I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I think that's a good one. It would keep people like spraig from firing off dozens of me too posts. But again, someone would have to spend a lot of time monitoring and counting posts. Yahoo isn't so sophisticated a system that you can cut off someone's posting rights after a specified quota has been reached.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I would say, limit posts by any one person to no more than 12 per day. That would require people to post more selectively. I think that's a good one. It would keep people like spraig from firing off dozens of me too posts. Since when has he made *any* me too posts?? And with regard to personal attacks, how would you deal with posts like Barry's, in which he attacks people without naming them? Vaj does this as well, and so does Paul.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
jstein wrote: We came over here after you had taken alt.m.t down the tubes, actually. So, it's all about willytex.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Rick but maybe I had something to do with FFL going pearshaped
sparaig wrote: You see, before the AMT people showed up, no-one ever disagreed with him So, it's all about the AMT people.
