[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Susan wrote: > > > I recall a lecture MMY gave in the early 70's where he said that > > Guru Dev was a "bal brahmachary" and that he himself was not > > (meaning MMY was possibly celibate, but not a lifelong celibate). > > > MMY claimed in his last interview with Larry King on CCN to be a "monk". > At age 80 something with failing health, regardless of what you believe about his sex life 30 years earlier, not much of a stretch to think he was telling the truth. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
So, are you saying that because he was a soldier or sailor, he couldn't have committed a murder? The story I heard put him in some kind of a brawl in which he killed a man. Suffering from a guilt trip or maybe to flee prosecution,(take your pick) he ran off to the Himalayas to do penance as a yogi. The particular details don't really matter to me, it's just that the point was, that he took another person's life, became a yogi and left this world when someone else took his. His personal crisis motivated him to become a Great Soul. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I don't remember the details of the story I heard long ago but it was murder. > In what degree? I don't know. Combat was never mentioned. It's well know fact that TWB used to be a soldier in the indian army.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I don't remember the details of the story I heard long ago but it was murder. > In what degree? I don't know. Combat was never mentioned. It's well know fact that TWB used to be a soldier in the indian army.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
I don't remember the details of the story I heard long ago but it was murder. In what degree? I don't know. Combat was never mentioned. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 2:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > And then again , maybe he realized his karma, for killing a man in his youth, > was coming to fruition. The story is TWB was in the Indian Navy as a > youngster and he killed a man. He ran off and became a great Yogi and then > exited as he made someone else exitthrough murder. He was a soldier and killed many people, that's not murder in the ususal meaning of the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Susan wrote: > > > I recall a lecture MMY gave in the early 70's where he said that > > Guru Dev was a "bal brahmachary" and that he himself was not > > (meaning MMY was possibly celibate, but not a lifelong celibate). > > > MMY claimed in his last interview with Larry King on CCN to be a "monk". Monk doesn't mean celibate, as the Vaj-fellow should know. A monk is self-suffiscient, no need for wife.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: And then again , maybe he realized his karma, for killing a man in his youth, was coming to fruition. The story is TWB was in the Indian Navy as a youngster and he killed a man. He ran off and became a great Yogi and then exited as he made someone else exitthrough murder. Yes, I remember hearing this story.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
On Aug 5, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Susan wrote: I recall a lecture MMY gave in the early 70's where he said that Guru Dev was a "bal brahmachary" and that he himself was not (meaning MMY was possibly celibate, but not a lifelong celibate). MMY claimed in his last interview with Larry King on CCN to be a "monk".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > And then again , maybe he realized his karma, for killing a man in his youth, > was coming to fruition. The story is TWB was in the Indian Navy as a > youngster and he killed a man. He ran off and became a great Yogi and then > exited as he made someone else exitthrough murder. He was a soldier and killed many people, that's not murder in the ususal meaning of the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Thanks Willy!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > wgm4u: > > I haven't read the witch doctors book... > > > The book by Judith is a very slim paperback, just > 219 pages with about a dozen ripped-off photos, > and really poor ones at that. Apparently Judith > actually took only three photos of the Maharishi > in the two years she was in the TMO. > > What is more interesting to me was the part about > Ms Pittman and her position in the Maharishi's > so-called 'inner circle'. > > How Judith got past Jemima and Nanda standing post > at the MMY's front door in the middle of the night > at a yoga camp in India is beyond me. Maybe Judith > crawled in by the bathroom window, except MMY's > house apparently didn't even have a bathroom. > > Go figure. > > There is one photo of the Maharishi sitting at a > dinning room table with the inner circle that is > really humorous though. He looks like a 'midget' > compared to the others at the table. > > When I saw it my first thought was how in hell > would someone as attractive as Judith want to be > having sexual relations with a small guy like > that, if you know what I mean. Power and prestige? > > Anyway, I do believe Judith was in love with the > Maharishi and he may have been in love with her. > > But, the book is a big disappointment. > > Instead, I'd recommend the new book ($20.00) by > Lola Willamson, a real scholar, who was a TM > initiate and teacher, as well as an insider in > Yogananda's Self Realization Fellowship, and the > Siddha Yoga Org. > > Williamson's book makes Judith's account read > like a sleazy tabloid bought at a grocery store > check-out or a sidewaklk news-stand - not worth > more than a dollar, tops! > > Work cited: > > 'Transcendent in America' > By Lola Williamson > New York University Press, 2010 > 260 pages. Illustrated. Notes. Index. Biblio. > > Amazon review: > > "This truly outstanding book is a major > contribution to the study of Hinduism, the study > of religion in America, and the study of > religion in general (particularly the field of > comparative mysticism and the epistemology of > religious experience). > > Williamson manages to combine empathy for her > subject matter with scholarly rigor to produce > a work that is not only intellectually engaging, > but that also rings true for those of us who > practice within Hindu-inspired meditation > traditions..." - Jeffery D. Long >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
A friend of mine saw M's passport once and his name was Bal-Brahmacharya Mahesh Yogi. From: Susan To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > > to me that it would be the person who did this while > > claiming to be celibate. > > > > > Actually, I've discovered at least one public interview from teh late 60's > where MMY left it ambiguous what his status was and what he felt about the > subject. I recall a lecture MMY gave in the early 70's where he said that Guru Dev was a "bal brahmachary" and that he himself was not (meaning MMY was possibly celibate, but not a lifelong celibate). > > OTOH, it is entirely possible that his obsession with celibacy for purusha > was his own guilt-feelings coming to the surface. > > > L. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
And then again , maybe he realized his karma, for killing a man in his youth, was coming to fruition. The story is TWB was in the Indian Navy as a youngster and he killed a man. He ran off and became a great Yogi and then exited as he made someone else exitthrough murder. From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 5, 2012, at 5:40 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: >> >> >> On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:45 AM, sparaig wrote: >> >> > > I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so sadly >> > > and brutally murdered. >> > > >> > >> > Why? >> > >> > Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered? >> >> So you're posing that he was suicidal? >> > >WTF!? Oh, well, shucks... :D Well if he had actual (not alleged) foreknowledge, his preciousness as a yogi could have benefitted more beings had he lived longer, so therefore ignoring that reality, one would be in effect, be committing suicide not only for oneself, but for those who could have benefitted from his life, had he lived. It would be, in more Hindu terms, as if he ignored those enmired in samsara - for his own karmic benefit or escape. Magnified consciousness does come with magnified responsibilities, no? But I suspect the story relayed here has more to do with post hoc inventions of his disciples than TWB himself...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:45 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > [Vaj wrote:] > > > > I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he > > > > was so sadly and brutally murdered. > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered? > > > > So you're posing that he was suicidal? > > I believe Lawson was suggesting that TWB may not have cared > if he was murdered. > > Yep, that's what he said, > all right. As in, not attached to embodiment. > > Wonder how Vaj got from that to "suicidal." Actually, no, > I don't wonder. It was just a matter of finding a way of > trying to plant in the minds of readers who aren't aware > of Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty that Lawson is > a foolish person. > Well, I *am* a foolish person, but I simply ignored Vaj's followup... L (foolish, but not THAT foolish)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > > to me that it would be the person who did this while > > claiming to be celibate. > > > > > Actually, I've discovered at least one public interview from teh late 60's > where MMY left it ambiguous what his status was and what he felt about the > subject. I recall a lecture MMY gave in the early 70's where he said that Guru Dev was a "bal brahmachary" and that he himself was not (meaning MMY was possibly celibate, but not a lifelong celibate). > > OTOH, it is entirely possible that his obsession with celibacy for purusha > was his own guilt-feelings coming to the surface. > > > L. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
On Aug 5, 2012, at 5:40 PM, cardemaister wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:45 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so > > > > sadly and brutally murdered. > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered? > > > > So you're posing that he was suicidal? > > > > WTF!? Oh, well, shucks... :D Well if he had actual (not alleged) foreknowledge, his preciousness as a yogi could have benefitted more beings had he lived longer, so therefore ignoring that reality, one would be in effect, be committing suicide not only for oneself, but for those who could have benefitted from his life, had he lived. It would be, in more Hindu terms, as if he ignored those enmired in samsara - for his own karmic benefit or escape. Magnified consciousness does come with magnified responsibilities, no? But I suspect the story relayed here has more to do with post hoc inventions of his disciples than TWB himself...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > I quite remember a fellow I know brought up the question of sex on weekend > cources to Maharishi as if it was a very BAD thing. Maharishi scolded the > idea of complaining about such activities on cources saying, from my memory; > Sex is a natural thing. People react in a negative way because their > Christian upbringing since childhood have made them to believe it is a sin. > Oh yeah! Rgveda IX 112 (part): shepo romaNvantau bhedau vArin maNDUka ichatIndrAyendo pari srava (shepaH; romaNvantau bhedau [...] ichati [...] : c*ck [a] "hairy-m cvnt-um" [...] wants [...])
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:45 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so sadly > > > and brutally murdered. > > > > > > > Why? > > > > Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered? > > So you're posing that he was suicidal? > WTF!? Oh, well, shucks... :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:45 AM, sparaig wrote: > [Vaj wrote:] > > > I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he > > > was so sadly and brutally murdered. > > > > Why? > > > > Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered? > > So you're posing that he was suicidal? I believe Lawson was suggesting that TWB may not have cared if he was murdered. Yep, that's what he said, all right. As in, not attached to embodiment. Wonder how Vaj got from that to "suicidal." Actually, no, I don't wonder. It was just a matter of finding a way of trying to plant in the minds of readers who aren't aware of Vaj's penchant for malicious dishonesty that Lawson is a foolish person.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > I was in the Waste Of > Life group. We know you have wasted your life and still obsess about things that happened more than 40 years ago Turq-boy. Rather, why not tell us something we do not know already ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
> Having sex doesn't change ones state of consciousness > in any fundamental way. It does if you're doing it right. Just sayin'... :-) "Doing it right" does NOT include, in my view, what many TM guys did for many years. I watched their act on courses, and watched them make out like bandits *while pretending to be celibate*. The all-too-common ATR course pickup line was, "Yes, I know the benefits of celibacy. Maharishi has explained this to us often, and it's reflected in most of the scriptures we read. But I'm just *so* attracted to you..." The result would be a one-night stand with the female initiator who fell for this routine, after which the guy in question (often a member of International Staff) would blow them off, act all contrite and guilty, and then go back to pretending to be celibate. I watched one German International Staffer run this routine on five different women during one six-week mixed-gender ATR course. I can honestly say that I never resorted to this sad and dishonest pickup technique. I was open and honest about my...uh...non-celibate status, and even if I hadn't been, my reputation in the TMO preceded me. Early on, I had listened to a talk by Maharishi in which he had delineated the different ways of life for a spiritual seeker. In it, he said that the only two viable paths were that of the celibate recluse and the married householder. "Anything else," he said, "was a waste of life." I heard that line, and I relaxed. I finally knew which group I belonged to. I was in the Waste Of Life group. Little did I know at the time that he was, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
wgm4u: > I haven't read the witch doctors book... > The book by Judith is a very slim paperback, just 219 pages with about a dozen ripped-off photos, and really poor ones at that. Apparently Judith actually took only three photos of the Maharishi in the two years she was in the TMO. What is more interesting to me was the part about Ms Pittman and her position in the Maharishi's so-called 'inner circle'. How Judith got past Jemima and Nanda standing post at the MMY's front door in the middle of the night at a yoga camp in India is beyond me. Maybe Judith crawled in by the bathroom window, except MMY's house apparently didn't even have a bathroom. Go figure. There is one photo of the Maharishi sitting at a dinning room table with the inner circle that is really humorous though. He looks like a 'midget' compared to the others at the table. When I saw it my first thought was how in hell would someone as attractive as Judith want to be having sexual relations with a small guy like that, if you know what I mean. Power and prestige? Anyway, I do believe Judith was in love with the Maharishi and he may have been in love with her. But, the book is a big disappointment. Instead, I'd recommend the new book ($20.00) by Lola Willamson, a real scholar, who was a TM initiate and teacher, as well as an insider in Yogananda's Self Realization Fellowship, and the Siddha Yoga Org. Williamson's book makes Judith's account read like a sleazy tabloid bought at a grocery store check-out or a sidewaklk news-stand - not worth more than a dollar, tops! Work cited: 'Transcendent in America' By Lola Williamson New York University Press, 2010 260 pages. Illustrated. Notes. Index. Biblio. Amazon review: "This truly outstanding book is a major contribution to the study of Hinduism, the study of religion in America, and the study of religion in general (particularly the field of comparative mysticism and the epistemology of religious experience). Williamson manages to combine empathy for her subject matter with scholarly rigor to produce a work that is not only intellectually engaging, but that also rings true for those of us who practice within Hindu-inspired meditation traditions..." - Jeffery D. Long
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > > Nablusoss writes: > Question from german journalist in Vlodrop; > Who are you ? > > Maharishi: > I am an ordinary human being. > > Bevan: > Tonight we got a new definition of the expression "an ordinary human being" > > > Robin, do you believe the story from that lady to be the truthful ? > > Dear Nablusoss, > > As impossible as this is to believe according to our intuition, according to > the experience most of us have had of Maharishi, I nevertheless am forced to > conclude that Judith is telling us the truth. Nature, reality has presented > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to us in such a way as to make this perhaps the most > terrible truth to comprehend of any that we have known--short of someone we > love dying. Somehow reality has made it unbearable and absurd--and yet, and > yet, Nablusoss, it is true. Maharishi (Who knows why really? Even the way > Judith describes Maharishi advances upon her, he seems as if he could easily > take it or leave it; he does not even approach Judith as if he has any lust > in him at all. It is all so unfathomable for me, but I must accept the > veracity of Judith's account because if you go through that book it is > impossible she could be lying.) did love Judith in the way she has described. > > *Now what is also true is the conviction that this could not be true*. That > is a very true experience, too, Nablusoss; and therefore those former TM > initiators who gloat about this, who have contempt for Maharishi, and are > unsparing in their ridicule of those who cannot accept that Judith Bourque is > telling the truth, *this is a more false form of experience* than even the > belief--in defiance of the truth--that Maharishi did not give away his > physical integrity like this. Is this understandable to you, Nablusoss? What > this means is that your refusal to believe Judith is a pure and innocent and > profound experience--because there is nothing which reality presented to you > or to me which would make us responsible for believing that Maharishi would > be capable of surrendering himself to a woman through his feelings of > physical desire. Thanks for the comment Robin For me Maharishi was and is spotless so I don't see why not. Having sex doesn't change ones state of consciousness in any fundamental way. > > As to what you quote here, it sounds suspiciously as if Maharishi is making a > concealed confession here--I doubt Maharishi, say in 1973 at my > Teacher-Training Course, would ever speak about himself as "an ordinary human > being"--I am sure he would not. But in this question he has the opportunity > to salve his conscience just a little, and what he say here amount to an > equivocal preempting of the story he surely knew Judith Bourque would tell > after his death. That could very well be true. The interview was made around 1990. Already at the beginning of Purusha Maharishi made it clear that we should be at the same level as him and be close friends, "comrades in arms". He knew the kind of life we hade had prior to joining the group, still he wanted us to be "friends". > > So, Nablusoss--and I hope you have followed what I have said here--I do > believe "that lady to be truthful'. But I also believe your disbelief itself > is a more more 'truthful' experience than the mockery of this disbelief by > those who cannot in any sense face the full moral and metaphysical complexity > of this whole reality. > > Robin I follow you. But his status is not the least diminished if the story turns out to be true. I think the noise around this is an american thing. I've mentioned these rumours to some friends and the react as "so what" ? Remember Mitterand, the President of France ? He had two paralell families, everyone knew about it but nobody cared. Both his families turned up in his funeral as a perfectly normal thing to do. Maharishi was not a Sanyasin, and as far as I know made no wows of celibacy to anyone. He stoped using the title Bal Brahmachary already in the '50s and wore white, the colour of householders. He said he was a monk. A monk is someone who is selfsuffiscient, not dependent on anyone. He was only dependent on one thing; raising the worlds consciousness and fulfulling the vision of his Master. Perhaps he had sex, perhaps not. For me it's uninteresting. I know Rick will have all kinds of silly moral issues about that, but that is only because he is so close to perfection himself, so Divine and almost spotless in nature, so he has every moral right to scold anyone who does not live up to his ideas that sex is sinful and BAD. Apparently he sees sex as a very dirty affair indeed, particularily if you are a spiritual figure. I quite remember a fellow I know brought up the question of sex on weekend cources to Maharishi as if it was a very BAD thing. Maharishi scolded the idea of complaining about such activities
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
The difference betwx American and European interviews is interesting. Oprah's interested in whether TM is coercive and a cult. The European interview goes to context of whether TM is a sect and about a leadership of fanaticism. Americans are keyed by coercive Jonestown and Mormon type of cults while the long European experience is a language about fanaticism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > You too miss MMY's point: he couldn't possibly have been perfect, according > > to the theory he espoused. > > > > L > > He was only claiming to be as perfect as the people in the movement wanted > him to be... > When I was with him, doing video taping in 1975, I saw him as being much more > flexible with what was perfect or not perfect... > For example, during some of the talks by the scientist present at the Physics > Conference in Dec. 1975, Maharishi would go into a deep Samadhi just sitting > on the couch with eyes closed... > Almost dissappearing into the Silence'... > > His perfection for me, was not so much what he did or didn't do... > But was more on the level of how I felt in his presence... > > I felt that he carried the silence of Guru Dev with him, as he had devoted > his life to that revival of vedic knowledge...and because he had intiated so > many people and then had taught so many initiators who taught so many > people... > All from a guy who stood all of 5 ft. talll...and who studied with a man who > virtually spent all of his life in Silence, with little or no money or > possessions... > > Jai Guru Dev > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the Great Sage couldn't possibly? > > > > > > > > One thing I noted after listening to the SCI tapes was that according > > > > to MMY's theory, it was *impossible* for someone to be fully > > > > enlightened because the consciousness of the world wouldn't support it. > > > > > > > > When I pointed this out to a TM teacher, he insisted that MMY's theory > > > > didn't apply to MMY or Gurudev. > > > > > > > > > > > > L. > > > > > > > This is typical brainwashing > > > Not much different than what Goebbels did... > > > That's the whole point, I was attempting to make here... > > > > > > For the people who were on the German side during the WwII... > > > And including the Spanish, Italian and Japanese Dictator Tyrantical > > > Facists... > > > These people feel very familiar with that type of propaganda, and that > > > type of 'Perfect Leader'...which is the title 'Der Fuerer...the perfect > > > leader...of a superior race > > > > > > When the American Democratic Model dissappointed Maharishi, he fell back > > > on hand picking leadership from that soul grouping in German Elite Forces > > > during the Nazi Era... > > > > > > Jerry Jarvis certainly did not fit into this mold...at all... > > > My theory on Jerry is that he was a very high soul in his last life and > > > this one, and served as a major General during WWII on the American side > > > of the action... > > > > > > According to Maharishi's SCI theory, it is more based on 'Perfect > > > Self-Referral Consciousness' as the only requirement for 'Perfect Right > > > Action'... > > > It has nothing to do with what is observed 'Outside' by an outside > > > observer, because the outside observerobserves only from his/her > > > level of consciousness... > > > > > > So, if one is very bond by 'Sex' then one would see 'Great Imperfection' > > > with an 'Enlightened Sage' who calls himself, Maharishi, and who studied > > > with a life-long celebate, Swami Brahmandanda Saraswati... > > > > > > But, that was an internal reference point which Maharhishi was going > > > by...his own self-referral consciousness... > > > > > > Which allowd him to come up with the raja paraphenalia...etc... > > > > > > It allowed him to rebel against the Americans by sending the Right > > > Wingers in the run things in America...starting in 1977 > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > You too miss MMY's point: he couldn't possibly have been perfect, according > to the theory he espoused. > > L He was only claiming to be as perfect as the people in the movement wanted him to be... When I was with him, doing video taping in 1975, I saw him as being much more flexible with what was perfect or not perfect... For example, during some of the talks by the scientist present at the Physics Conference in Dec. 1975, Maharishi would go into a deep Samadhi just sitting on the couch with eyes closed... Almost dissappearing into the Silence'... His perfection for me, was not so much what he did or didn't do... But was more on the level of how I felt in his presence... I felt that he carried the silence of Guru Dev with him, as he had devoted his life to that revival of vedic knowledge...and because he had intiated so many people and then had taught so many initiators who taught so many people... All from a guy who stood all of 5 ft. talll...and who studied with a man who virtually spent all of his life in Silence, with little or no money or possessions... Jai Guru Dev > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the Great Sage couldn't possibly? > > > > > > One thing I noted after listening to the SCI tapes was that according to > > > MMY's theory, it was *impossible* for someone to be fully enlightened > > > because the consciousness of the world wouldn't support it. > > > > > > When I pointed this out to a TM teacher, he insisted that MMY's theory > > > didn't apply to MMY or Gurudev. > > > > > > > > > L. > > > > > This is typical brainwashing > > Not much different than what Goebbels did... > > That's the whole point, I was attempting to make here... > > > > For the people who were on the German side during the WwII... > > And including the Spanish, Italian and Japanese Dictator Tyrantical > > Facists... > > These people feel very familiar with that type of propaganda, and that type > > of 'Perfect Leader'...which is the title 'Der Fuerer...the perfect > > leader...of a superior race > > > > When the American Democratic Model dissappointed Maharishi, he fell back on > > hand picking leadership from that soul grouping in German Elite Forces > > during the Nazi Era... > > > > Jerry Jarvis certainly did not fit into this mold...at all... > > My theory on Jerry is that he was a very high soul in his last life and > > this one, and served as a major General during WWII on the American side of > > the action... > > > > According to Maharishi's SCI theory, it is more based on 'Perfect > > Self-Referral Consciousness' as the only requirement for 'Perfect Right > > Action'... > > It has nothing to do with what is observed 'Outside' by an outside > > observer, because the outside observerobserves only from his/her level > > of consciousness... > > > > So, if one is very bond by 'Sex' then one would see 'Great Imperfection' > > with an 'Enlightened Sage' who calls himself, Maharishi, and who studied > > with a life-long celebate, Swami Brahmandanda Saraswati... > > > > But, that was an internal reference point which Maharhishi was going > > by...his own self-referral consciousness... > > > > Which allowd him to come up with the raja paraphenalia...etc... > > > > It allowed him to rebel against the Americans by sending the Right Wingers > > in the run things in America...starting in 1977 > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
You too miss MMY's point: he couldn't possibly have been perfect, according to the theory he espoused. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > > > > > > > > But the Great Sage couldn't possibly? > > > > One thing I noted after listening to the SCI tapes was that according to > > MMY's theory, it was *impossible* for someone to be fully enlightened > > because the consciousness of the world wouldn't support it. > > > > When I pointed this out to a TM teacher, he insisted that MMY's theory > > didn't apply to MMY or Gurudev. > > > > > > L. > > > This is typical brainwashing > Not much different than what Goebbels did... > That's the whole point, I was attempting to make here... > > For the people who were on the German side during the WwII... > And including the Spanish, Italian and Japanese Dictator Tyrantical Facists... > These people feel very familiar with that type of propaganda, and that type > of 'Perfect Leader'...which is the title 'Der Fuerer...the perfect > leader...of a superior race > > When the American Democratic Model dissappointed Maharishi, he fell back on > hand picking leadership from that soul grouping in German Elite Forces during > the Nazi Era... > > Jerry Jarvis certainly did not fit into this mold...at all... > My theory on Jerry is that he was a very high soul in his last life and this > one, and served as a major General during WWII on the American side of the > action... > > According to Maharishi's SCI theory, it is more based on 'Perfect > Self-Referral Consciousness' as the only requirement for 'Perfect Right > Action'... > It has nothing to do with what is observed 'Outside' by an outside observer, > because the outside observerobserves only from his/her level of > consciousness... > > So, if one is very bond by 'Sex' then one would see 'Great Imperfection' > with an 'Enlightened Sage' who calls himself, Maharishi, and who studied with > a life-long celebate, Swami Brahmandanda Saraswati... > > But, that was an internal reference point which Maharhishi was going by...his > own self-referral consciousness... > > Which allowd him to come up with the raja paraphenalia...etc... > > It allowed him to rebel against the Americans by sending the Right Wingers in > the run things in America...starting in 1977 > > Jai Guru Dev >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
> > Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered? > > > L > Perhaps he did...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
> > > > But the Great Sage couldn't possibly? > > One thing I noted after listening to the SCI tapes was that according to > MMY's theory, it was *impossible* for someone to be fully enlightened because > the consciousness of the world wouldn't support it. > > When I pointed this out to a TM teacher, he insisted that MMY's theory didn't > apply to MMY or Gurudev. > > > L. > This is typical brainwashing Not much different than what Goebbels did... That's the whole point, I was attempting to make here... For the people who were on the German side during the WwII... And including the Spanish, Italian and Japanese Dictator Tyrantical Facists... These people feel very familiar with that type of propaganda, and that type of 'Perfect Leader'...which is the title 'Der Fuerer...the perfect leader...of a superior race When the American Democratic Model dissappointed Maharishi, he fell back on hand picking leadership from that soul grouping in German Elite Forces during the Nazi Era... Jerry Jarvis certainly did not fit into this mold...at all... My theory on Jerry is that he was a very high soul in his last life and this one, and served as a major General during WWII on the American side of the action... According to Maharishi's SCI theory, it is more based on 'Perfect Self-Referral Consciousness' as the only requirement for 'Perfect Right Action'... It has nothing to do with what is observed 'Outside' by an outside observer, because the outside observerobserves only from his/her level of consciousness... So, if one is very bond by 'Sex' then one would see 'Great Imperfection' with an 'Enlightened Sage' who calls himself, Maharishi, and who studied with a life-long celebate, Swami Brahmandanda Saraswati... But, that was an internal reference point which Maharhishi was going by...his own self-referral consciousness... Which allowd him to come up with the raja paraphenalia...etc... It allowed him to rebel against the Americans by sending the Right Wingers in the run things in America...starting in 1977 Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Vaj > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:52 PM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to > > Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. > > They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi > > doing what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa > > massaging Maharishi's feet "after we have been together". > > > > > > > > So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-) > > > > > > > > Either that, or Tat Wala Baba knew what MMY had been up to and gave him a > > foot rub to recharge his shakti. > > > > Interesting thought. > > I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so sadly and > brutally murdered. > Why? Perhaps he didn't care if he was murdered? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 6:03 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rick, > > > > Had it not been for what you said about Maharishi and secrecy, I doubt I > > would have posted anything about this matter. But something alerted in me > > when I read your comment. > > > > I think it was the toothpaste. :-) > > > > You will see that I have added a ninth reflection, for me, the most > > important one of all. > > > > The only way anything can change here is if either Bevan or someone else > can > > communicate to us something about Maharishi which somehow is inclusive of > > his behaviour with women--women, that is, who caused him to feel intense > > physical desire. > > > > Perhaps with Bevan (or this other person) such a portrait of Maharishi can > > emerge. But that would mean writing a book--it is I believe a book that > > Bevan's soul desperately would want him to write, but Bevan, he is likely > to > > deny to his soul this satisfaction. > > > > Robin > > > > Bevan was as guilty of such behavior as MMY was. I doubt any such book > will > > be forthcoming. > > But surely not the oh so spotless Mr. Rick Archer, no Sir ! > > I had a stumble or two. > But the Great Sage couldn't possibly? One thing I noted after listening to the SCI tapes was that according to MMY's theory, it was *impossible* for someone to be fully enlightened because the consciousness of the world wouldn't support it. When I pointed this out to a TM teacher, he insisted that MMY's theory didn't apply to MMY or Gurudev. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Vaj > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:52 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > > > > See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to > Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. > They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi doing > what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa massaging > Maharishi's feet "after we have been together". > > > > So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-) > > > > Either that, or Tat Wala Baba knew what MMY had been up to and gave him a > foot rub to recharge his shakti. > Or knew and didn't care, or didn't know and would have abstained from any further foot-rubi-givin or foresaw the future in great detail, including my current post in Fairfield Life and contemplated butterflies and hurricanes or... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > > > fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you > > Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some "roughness of awareness". Hi Joe, I think Dan was just replying to my gentle challenge to posters here yesterday, and trying to convey to us what a spiritual experience in the here and now IS for a long-term TMer. > I guess what I'm saying is that I, for one, wouldn't mind > seeing a bit more of that kind of selflessness on so-called > spiritual forums. If you're offended by what I say, and your > first impulse is to lash out at me, that's self talking. > Bad Habits. > > If you feel that way, prove me wrong and write a post or > two today about TODAY, and what you have experienced TODAY > that you found uplifting or spiritual. If you can't, don't > you think you deserve a refund for all the time, money, > and energy you've put into the spiritual path you've > been following? You've got to give him credit. No one else even tried. :-) Other classic Dan Friedman quotes in the past: * "For many Governors and long-term meditators, experiences are real. I'm past the point of asking: 'What if?'" * "M regulary reminded us that we are The Movement and if we see better ways, to change things." * "I grok your feelings, but, as different people are differrent, my feelings for Maharishi are neither complex, nor conflicted." * "Perhaps FFL could be moderated a bit more closely." I want to go on record as disagreeing with Dan's last comment above. The more long-term TMers who post here and demonstrate what TM has done for them, the better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
I think the C.I.A. Attempted to poison Maharishi is 1992, from Deepak Choprahs account of the incident... This is where Maharishi retreated to solitude, from that time onward... Osho also claims the C.I.A. poisoned him with a 'Radioactive Blanket' that they gave for him in his jail cell... He had claimed that he always felt sick after that, and died a couple of years later... Rumor has it that he really got off on watching orgies at his ashram in Oregon... They all got in trouble when they attempted a coup d' tait'. by poisoning the townspeople who were running for office... Many spent time in federal prison on account of this affair... Maharishi was not a Brahman by birth, but rather came from a business oriented family... He accumlated great wealth and had an appetie for women...beautiful woman women ... Mia Farrow was married to Frank Sanatra at the time... John Kennedy had many illicit affairs whilest Pres... Bill Clinton had an affair with Lew isky in the oval office... George W. Bush, ordered the 'Blitz of Bagdhad' in 2003... Martin Luther King, Jr...had affairs as well... Whether or not Maharishi had an affair with a woman, I don't see how this matters, whether one is 'Spiritual or Enlightened' or not?... It seems more like a Roman Catholic belief system, which has caused untold perversion in the church and untold suffering... What does it matter if Jesus had sex with Mary Magdalene? Does that make him any less of a great Teacher... Sex is a natural process of enjoyment and release and in the Tantric Tradition a way to gain enlightenment by control of the Shakti and with the blalace of the witnessing Para Purusha Shive quality... All throughout history many great spiritual people had sex because they wanted to and because they enjoyed it, and because it is an expression of love, like a dance a tantric dance of life... All souls enter the womb at the time of something to do with sex... We all came here because of sexual intercourse, between our Moms and our Dads... So, there is nothing wrong with being playful and having sensual experiences if one chooses to, if one is enlightened or not enlightened; whether one is a Buddhist or one is a Jew...whether one is a Mormon or whether one is Jehovahs Witness; whether one is a Democrat or one is a Republican... Even Nixon had sex... Clint Eastwood too... John Lennon... Paul McCartney... Do we obsess about these folks...? Do we say 'how deep did Paul go into Linda? No, that would be crude and out of tune out of harmony.. Robert > > > > > > I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the > mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot > for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or > '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee > told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, > that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some > yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him > with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a > couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful > yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. > > > > > > That's a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it > some other "yogi"? > > > > Some other yogi. MMY loved TWB, and was in Switzerland when he was murdered. > The news came as quite a shock to him. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Hey Judy, I'm OK. I hardly ever check in anymore but I did see that interview with my good friend Judith and that made me think of FFL and ...well, here I am. I don't know how anyone could see or sit with Judith and doubt her truthfulness about her relationship with MMY. She remains one of the sweetest women my wife and I have ever met. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Hey, Joe, how you doon? Long time no type. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > > > Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some "roughness of > > awareness". > > I don't think it's Dan making these posts. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 wrote: > > > > > > fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the > > > > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. > > > > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3". > > > > > > > > > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > > > > > > > You want notarized photos? > > > > > > > > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's > > > > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: > > > > > > > > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what > > > > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're > > > > always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing > > > > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and > > > > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel > > > > great and they smell great...you know, and I could > > > > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go > > > > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't > > > > know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes > > > > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm > > > > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this > > > > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished > > > > more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe > > > > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I > > > > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell > > > > me I don't like `em very much." > > > > > > > > Oh. > > > > > > > > Wait. > > > > > > > > I just looked at the label on the videotape, > > > > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was > > > > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." > > > > > > > > Never mind. > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Hey, Joe, how you doon? Long time no type. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some "roughness of > awareness". I don't think it's Dan making these posts. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 wrote: > > > > fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the > > > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. > > > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3". > > > > > > > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > > > > > You want notarized photos? > > > > > > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's > > > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: > > > > > > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what > > > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're > > > always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing > > > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and > > > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel > > > great and they smell great...you know, and I could > > > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go > > > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't > > > know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes > > > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm > > > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this > > > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished > > > more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe > > > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I > > > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell > > > me I don't like `em very much." > > > > > > Oh. > > > > > > Wait. > > > > > > I just looked at the label on the videotape, > > > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was > > > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." > > > > > > Never mind. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some "roughness of awareness". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 wrote: > > fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the > > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. > > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3". > > > > > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > > > You want notarized photos? > > > > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's > > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: > > > > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what > > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're > > always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing > > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and > > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel > > great and they smell great...you know, and I could > > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go > > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't > > know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes > > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm > > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this > > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished > > more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe > > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I > > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell > > me I don't like `em very much." > > > > Oh. > > > > Wait. > > > > I just looked at the label on the videotape, > > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was > > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." > > > > Never mind. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > to me that it would be the person who did this while > claiming to be celibate. > Actually, I've discovered at least one public interview from teh late 60's where MMY left it ambiguous what his status was and what he felt about the subject. OTOH, it is entirely possible that his obsession with celibacy for purusha was his own guilt-feelings coming to the surface. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Yes Judy, I should have picked that up. I don't read many of his posts but do remember him as one who has a distinct distaste for M and TM. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 5:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Oh no! Not Maharishi. I don't remember the name of the guy > or it wasn't told to me. But the guy never implied that it > was *Mahesh*. Vaj knows that. He wasn't asking for information, he was hoping that by posing the question, he could plant the idea that MMY had Tat Wala Baba killed out of pique in the minds of those reading FFL who don't know any better-- about MMY, or about Vaj's malicious dishonesty. It's almost impossible to fathom the depths of Vaj's capacity for hatred, or his willingness to act on that hatred to do harm. > From: Vaj > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the > mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot > for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or > '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee > told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, > that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some > yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him > with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a > couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful > yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. > > > That’s a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it > some other “yogi”? >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Maharishi encouraged celibacy but also said *we don't need to take vows*. He indicated, that taking a vow before you're ready, was not good for you. I'm not so sure he took one either although his passport ID'd him as Bal-Brahmacharya(life celibate). From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 5:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affa > ir-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > I realize that once you get to "inner circle" status, people start to talk more and more about celibacy, but even so, she makes it sound like MMY was recommending that everyone be celibate. I'd say that 99+% of the TMers of the world have never heard anything about the subject, either way. I can't judge whether or not she's telling the truth about the affair, but I can say that she's damning by implication. Additionally, talking about "walking the talk..." MMY very carefully said over and over again NOT to try to walk his walk, at least, that what *I* heard as a non-teacher. Additionally, his "movement" wasn't doing all that well when she was "with him." This was between the Beatles and the Merv Griffith cycle, and I wouldn't say that it was that "big" in 1970. Maybe to her, but not to the rest of the world. Whether it's conscious or not, she's definitely in a self-justication mode, IMHO. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Oh no! Not Maharishi. I don't remember the name of the guy > or it wasn't told to me. But the guy never implied that it > was *Mahesh*. Vaj knows that. He wasn't asking for information, he was hoping that by posing the question, he could plant the idea that MMY had Tat Wala Baba killed out of pique in the minds of those reading FFL who don't know any better-- about MMY, or about Vaj's malicious dishonesty. It's almost impossible to fathom the depths of Vaj's capacity for hatred, or his willingness to act on that hatred to do harm. > From: Vaj > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > >  > > > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the > mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to > give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October > of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave > and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only > moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, > it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all > that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the > trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, > because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so > called yogi walked. > > > Thatâs a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was > it some other âyogiâ? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affa > ir-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > I realize that once you get to "inner circle" status, people start to talk more and more about celibacy, but even so, she makes it sound like MMY was recommending that everyone be celibate. I'd say that 99+% of the TMers of the world have never heard anything about the subject, either way. I can't judge whether or not she's telling the truth about the affair, but I can say that she's damning by implication. Additionally, talking about "walking the talk..." MMY very carefully said over and over again NOT to try to walk his walk, at least, that what *I* heard as a non-teacher. Additionally, his "movement" wasn't doing all that well when she was "with him." This was between the Beatles and the Merv Griffith cycle, and I wouldn't say that it was that "big" in 1970. Maybe to her, but not to the rest of the world. Whether it's conscious or not, she's definitely in a self-justication mode, IMHO. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Vaj > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:30 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > > > > I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the > mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot > for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or > '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee > told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, > that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some > yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him > with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a > couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful > yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. > > > > > > That's a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it > some other "yogi"? > > > > Some other yogi. MMY loved TWB, and was in Switzerland when he was murdered. > The news came as quite a shock to him. > Rick, you just spoiled Vaj's day!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3". > > > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > You want notarized photos? > > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: > > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're > always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel > great and they smell great...you know, and I could > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't > know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished > more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell > me I don't like `em very much." > > Oh. > > Wait. > > I just looked at the label on the videotape, > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." > > Never mind. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
turqy is the bigest asshle sucking bitch. he will get some shit in his --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3". > > > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > You want notarized photos? > > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: > > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're > always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel > great and they smell great...you know, and I could > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't > know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished > more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell > me I don't like `em very much." > > Oh. > > Wait. > > I just looked at the label on the videotape, > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." > > Never mind. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Vag, Are you just fucked up or fucked up? Your answer to fucking around, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the > > mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot > > for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or > > '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the > > devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was > > assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not > > recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a > > guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away > > with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the > > influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. > > > That's a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it > some other "yogi"? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > Robin, do you believe the story from that lady to be the truthful ? > > So Judith, was the MMY into 'mission style' or did he like 'doggie style'?, > come on, Enquiring minds want to know. Did you engage in cunnilingus at any > time? Did MMY's beard ever get caught in your mouth, how did that work out? > Yuck! Spit it out girl!! or is it all in your mind? > Some things in this life are better left unsaid, unwritten. This happens to be one of those things. The Universe (not to sound too grandiose here) kind of cringed when you wrote this wgm4u.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > Dear wgm4u: > > I am not interested in trying to convince anyone that Judith Bourque has told > the truth. And theefore I would never put myself in the position of trying to > adduce evidence for the assumed veracity of Judith Bourque's claim that > Maharishi took her as his lover. It is as inconceivable that Maharishi would > do this as finding out that the moon and the sun are unreal, or that Niagara > Falls is just a magic trick, or that the War in Iraq was just some Tarantino > movie, or that David Letterman found the Lord, or that Gabby Douglas is > really just an old woman in disguise. I just simply knew, as I read the book, > that this person had no other motive than to tell the truth. And I think I am > pretty good at knowing when someone is sincere and truthful and when someone > is disingenuous and dissembling. > > And besides I respect your belief that this could not be true. Not only are > you entitled to believe this, but it may be more 'evolutionary' to believe > this. Once you begin reading Judith Bourque's book, though, you know, just by > who she is, that she just wanted to get the truth out. The evidence of her > trustworthiness is simply overwhelming. I haven't read the witch doctors book but it sounds like she makes a compelling case, so be it, what good would a cheap novel be without some salacious content. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
After many long years of traveling the world, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, decided to rest with a girl on night... There was a full moon that night and the love in the air was really good... I don't know where it was, perhaps at Lake Tahoe... In a past life, maybe this was just a replay of that... Just being close was enough, really.. It was an innocent thing... God created Man in His Image. God Created Women in his image... Unity Consciousness, the Third Eye Opened, and was more or less like Shiva and Shakti, vibrating up to about 80,000 ft. instantaneously... There was a oneness there that smelled like angels... Like a babies cry, a deep abiding experience... Love flows despite what the opposition would have you believe. Love exists, despite what the opposition would have you believe... Money is great, but not without love... Right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > > > > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > > > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > > > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > > > > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > > > to me that it would be the person who did this while > > > claiming to be celibate. > > > > If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime > > with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha > > think? ;-) > > > > Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably > > have a harem to boot! > > > > That's a silly comment. He "nailed" quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go > > hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as > > secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on > > secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority > > knew things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what > > brand of toothpaste he used. > > > > RESPONSE: I think this comment by Rich to be apposite--and holding within > > itself a level of sophistication that begins to go to what the reality is. > > I have never had that thought: "I believe that may be why he placed such > > emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general". It seems it could be > > true. > > > > For myself, I think there are a number of things to think about if one > > assumes the veracity of Judy Bourque's testimony (corroborated most > > unforgettable in Robert McCutcheon's "Afterword and Witness Testimonial"): > > > > 1. Maharishi either did not care to preserve his integrity in this way, and > > therefore does not have a conscience, or else he was unable to control his > > carnal desires, and surrendered himself up to his concupiscence > > involuntarily, as it were. Judith was, after all, a beautiful woman: she > > certainly would put his enlightenment to the test (in this way, > > enlightenment--Maharishi's at least--requires some vow of celibacy, which > > presumably Maharishi gave in the course of his commitment to Swami > > Brahmananda Saraswati). > > > > 2. Were TM to be what Maharishi claimed it to be:--Nature's way of coming > > to know the Unified Field, Nature's way of knowing the final truth about > > nature, Nature's way of fulfilling one full potential as a human > > being--*Nature would never allow the exponent, the personal embodiment, of > > this truth to be compromised in this way*. Nature would have supported > > Maharishi's celibacy. The fact that Nature did not do this, tells us > > everything we need to know about the finality of Nature's commitment to the > > truth of TM, since guarding the reputation of Maharishi in this way would > > have been a sine qua non. And, as well, what Nature ['Nature' here > > designates the source of truth, the source of 'creative intelligence', the > > ultimate arbiter of what is real] really thought of Maharishi is revealed > > in allowing Maharishi to disgrace himself in this way. That is, not in the > > act of having a physical relationship with Judith Bourque, but in his > > implicit presentation of himself as someone incapable of succumbing to the > > insistence of his erotic feelings. > > > > 3. Maharishi must have known somehow that the truth would eventually come > > out about him. He did nothing to prepare his disciples, or his successor, > > for this scandal, a scandal who reverberations would never cease, because > > of how impressive and beautiful and believable Maharishi was in terms of > > radiating out from himself the truth of his very Teaching. Imagine, had > > someone posed theoretically the questions to him: Maharishi, what would > > should a disciple of a Master do or feel if that Master, who was sworn--one > > must believe, happily so--to celibacy, violates that vow and demonstrates > > by doing so that he is a prisoner of something other than his own pure > > consciousness?" Maharishi was never able to compute the inevitably > > consequences of his having indulged--however sincerely at the level of > > romance--his carnal desires in this way. What Rich brings out attention to > > seems to offe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > > to me that it would be the person who did this while > > claiming to be celibate. > > If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime > with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha > think? ;-) > > Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have > a harem to boot! > > That's a silly comment. He "nailed" quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go > hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as > secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on > secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority knew > things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what brand of > toothpaste he used. > > RESPONSE: I think this comment by Rich to be apposite--and holding within > itself a level of sophistication that begins to go to what the reality is. I > have never had that thought: "I believe that may be why he placed such > emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general". It seems it could be > true. > > For myself, I think there are a number of things to think about if one > assumes the veracity of Judy Bourque's testimony (corroborated most > unforgettable in Robert McCutcheon's "Afterword and Witness Testimonial"): > > 1. Maharishi either did not care to preserve his integrity in this way, and > therefore does not have a conscience, or else he was unable to control his > carnal desires, and surrendered himself up to his concupiscence > involuntarily, as it were. Judith was, after all, a beautiful woman: she > certainly would put his enlightenment to the test (in this way, > enlightenment--Maharishi's at least--requires some vow of celibacy, which > presumably Maharishi gave in the course of his commitment to Swami > Brahmananda Saraswati). > > 2. Were TM to be what Maharishi claimed it to be:--Nature's way of coming to > know the Unified Field, Nature's way of knowing the final truth about nature, > Nature's way of fulfilling one full potential as a human being--*Nature would > never allow the exponent, the personal embodiment, of this truth to be > compromised in this way*. Nature would have supported Maharishi's celibacy. > The fact that Nature did not do this, tells us everything we need to know > about the finality of Nature's commitment to the truth of TM, since guarding > the reputation of Maharishi in this way would have been a sine qua non. And, > as well, what Nature ['Nature' here designates the source of truth, the > source of 'creative intelligence', the ultimate arbiter of what is real] > really thought of Maharishi is revealed in allowing Maharishi to disgrace > himself in this way. That is, not in the act of having a physical > relationship with Judith Bourque, but in his implicit presentation of himself > as someone incapable of succumbing to the insistence of his erotic feelings. > > 3. Maharishi must have known somehow that the truth would eventually come out > about him. He did nothing to prepare his disciples, or his successor, for > this scandal, a scandal who reverberations would never cease, because of how > impressive and beautiful and believable Maharishi was in terms of radiating > out from himself the truth of his very Teaching. Imagine, had someone posed > theoretically the questions to him: Maharishi, what would should a disciple > of a Master do or feel if that Master, who was sworn--one must believe, > happily so--to celibacy, violates that vow and demonstrates by doing so that > he is a prisoner of something other than his own pure consciousness?" > Maharishi was never able to compute the inevitably consequences of his having > indulged--however sincerely at the level of romance--his carnal desires in > this way. What Rich brings out attention to seems to offer up an answer to > this: Maharishi thought he, as it were, could behave in a way which would > metaphysically somehow keep the universe itself from divulging the truth > about his inability or unwillingness to live out the truth which h
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 6:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > Dear Rick, > > Had it not been for what you said about Maharishi and secrecy, I doubt I > would have posted anything about this matter. But something alerted in me > when I read your comment. > > I think it was the toothpaste. :-) > > You will see that I have added a ninth reflection, for me, the most > important one of all. > > The only way anything can change here is if either Bevan or someone else can > communicate to us something about Maharishi which somehow is inclusive of > his behaviour with women--women, that is, who caused him to feel intense > physical desire. > > Perhaps with Bevan (or this other person) such a portrait of Maharishi can > emerge. But that would mean writing a book--it is I believe a book that > Bevan's soul desperately would want him to write, but Bevan, he is likely to > deny to his soul this satisfaction. > > Robin > > Bevan was as guilty of such behavior as MMY was. I doubt any such book will > be forthcoming. But surely not the oh so spotless Mr. Rick Archer, no Sir ! I had a stumble or two.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > to me that it would be the person who did this while > claiming to be celibate. If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha think? ;-) Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have a harem to boot! That's a silly comment. He "nailed" quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority knew things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what brand of toothpaste he used. RESPONSE: I think this comment by Rich to be apposite--and holding within itself a level of sophistication that begins to go to what the reality is. I have never had that thought: "I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general". It seems it could be true. For myself, I think there are a number of things to think about if one assumes the veracity of Judy Bourque's testimony (corroborated most unforgettable in Robert McCutcheon's "Afterword and Witness Testimonial"): 1. Maharishi either did not care to preserve his integrity in this way, and therefore does not have a conscience, or else he was unable to control his carnal desires, and surrendered himself up to his concupiscence involuntarily, as it were. Judith was, after all, a beautiful woman: she certainly would put his enlightenment to the test (in this way, enlightenment--Maharishi's at least--requires some vow of celibacy, which presumably Maharishi gave in the course of his commitment to Swami Brahmananda Saraswati). 2. Were TM to be what Maharishi claimed it to be:--Nature's way of coming to know the Unified Field, Nature's way of knowing the final truth about nature, Nature's way of fulfilling one full potential as a human being--*Nature would never allow the exponent, the personal embodiment, of this truth to be compromised in this way*. Nature would have supported Maharishi's celibacy. The fact that Nature did not do this, tells us everything we need to know about the finality of Nature's commitment to the truth of TM, since guarding the reputation of Maharishi in this way would have been a sine qua non. And, as well, what Nature ['Nature' here designates the source of truth, the source of 'creative intelligence', the ultimate arbiter of what is real] really thought of Maharishi is revealed in allowing Maharishi to disgrace himself in this way. That is, not in the act of having a physical relationship with Judith Bourque, but in his implicit presentation of himself as someone incapable of succumbing to the insistence of his erotic feelings. 3. Maharishi must have known somehow that the truth would eventually come out about him. He did nothing to prepare his disciples, or his successor, for this scandal, a scandal who reverberations would never cease, because of how impressive and beautiful and believable Maharishi was in terms of radiating out from himself the truth of his very Teaching. Imagine, had someone posed theoretically the questions to him: Maharishi, what would should a disciple of a Master do or feel if that Master, who was sworn--one must believe, happily so--to celibacy, violates that vow and demonstrates by doing so that he is a prisoner of something other than his own pure consciousness?" Maharishi was never able to compute the inevitably consequences of his having indulged--however sincerely at the level of romance--his carnal desires in this way. What Rich brings out attention to seems to offer up an answer to this: Maharishi thought he, as it were, could behave in a way which would metaphysically somehow keep the universe itself from divulging the truth about his inability or unwillingness to live out the truth which he so powerfully and explicitly imposed upon those who were most devoted to him. 4. The extent to which none of us at the time (early to mid seventies) could possibly come to believe Maharishi did what Judith Bourque has told us he did,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
precisely-- thank you, Robin-- your words mirror my endeavor, also... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Robin Carlsen > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:39 PM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rick, > > > > Had it not been for what you said about Maharishi and secrecy, I doubt I > > would have posted anything about this matter. But something alerted in me > > when I read your comment. > > > > I think it was the toothpaste. :-) > > > > You will see that I have added a ninth reflection, for me, the most > > important one of all. > > > > The only way anything can change here is if either Bevan or someone else can > > communicate to us something about Maharishi which somehow is inclusive of > > his behaviour with women--women, that is, who caused him to feel intense > > physical desire. > > > > Perhaps with Bevan (or this other person) such a portrait of Maharishi can > > emerge. But that would mean writing a book--it is I believe a book that > > Bevan's soul desperately would want him to write, but Bevan, he is likely to > > deny to his soul this satisfaction. > > > > Robin > > > > Bevan was as guilty of such behavior as MMY was. I doubt any such book will > > be forthcoming. > > Dear Rick, > > That is not something I know anything about, and it surprises me. Bevan > always seemed to me to be a highly principled person. I do think, however, I > know of someone who was close to Maharishi who was the only naturally > celibate initiator I have ever known--and I think, moreover, his communion > with Maharishi was like no one else's. He made teaching TM and being a > disciple of Maharishi seem a very pure and irreproachable profession. He > always carried the authority of his perfect surrender to Maharishi, and he > himself found a dharma which was almost critic-proof. > > I think even women always felt the flawlessness of his celibacy and therefore > were comfortable around him for this very reason. But the real point I am > trying to make here, Rick, is this person *knew Maharishi the man* as well as > Maharishi the Master. And I felt that Maharishi made himself known in this > way only to this person. Therefore this person, and this person only, really > has the credentials to tell us all about Maharishi the man, the human being. > For this person was objective about Maharishi, else he could not have > delivered such a serene performance in every second (or so it seemed to me) > that he served Maharishi. I don't think even after Maharishi's death was this > relationship severed. > > But he carried something so enigmatic in his deportment and person, that I > hardly feel I know him even as I know you, whom I have never even met. But > this person, I wish he would write a book about Maharishi, because his > relationship with Maharishi was totally real--both from the side of Maharishi > and from his own side. > > He never pretended anything; he just remained attuned to Maharishi--in all > his aspects. And he was totally believable in this. He was faultless in his > devotion to an apparently faulty human being; but this person had this > advantage: he saw how profound a person Maharishi was, and how the entire > universe was willing to demonstrate how significant a being Maharishi was. > And that is the story about Maharishi, Rick--at least it is for me. To be > able to see Maharishi as he really was, including what Judith Bourque reveals > in her book, requires also to see him as a truly cosmic being. This person I > speak of he always could see that Maharishi was like no human being of our > lifetime; he saw his spiritual integrity, no matter how it was compromised in > his actions as a human being. And what this person apprehended, it was > powerful and ineffable. > > I would trust his account of Maharishi, and no one else's. Until then we only > get the polarized and psychologically determined portraits--only in this > person exists a paradigm that potentially can address the contradiction of > Maharishi. > > I will neither confirm or deny any candidates that you might feel tempted to > put before me. I cannot do this. I respect this person's integrity too much, >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > I'm still trying to figure out what the yonified field is? ;-) > I bet you are, Billy. I bet you *are*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > Dear Rick, > > Had it not been for what you said about Maharishi and secrecy, I doubt I > would have posted anything about this matter. But something alerted in me > when I read your comment. > > I think it was the toothpaste. :-) > > You will see that I have added a ninth reflection, for me, the most > important one of all. > > The only way anything can change here is if either Bevan or someone else can > communicate to us something about Maharishi which somehow is inclusive of > his behaviour with women--women, that is, who caused him to feel intense > physical desire. > > Perhaps with Bevan (or this other person) such a portrait of Maharishi can > emerge. But that would mean writing a book--it is I believe a book that > Bevan's soul desperately would want him to write, but Bevan, he is likely to > deny to his soul this satisfaction. > > Robin > > Bevan was as guilty of such behavior as MMY was. I doubt any such book will > be forthcoming. But surely not the oh so spotless Mr. Rick Archer, no Sir !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > Robin, do you believe the story from that lady to be the truthful ? So Judith, was the MMY into 'mission style' or did he like 'doggie style'?, come on, Enquiring minds want to know. Did you engage in cunnilingus at any time? Did MMY's beard ever get caught in your mouth, how did that work out? Yuck! Spit it out girl!! or is it all in your mind?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > > to me that it would be the person who did this while > > claiming to be celibate. > > If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime > with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha > think? ;-) > > Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have > a harem to boot! > > That's a silly comment. He "nailed" quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go > hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as > secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on > secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority knew > things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what brand of > toothpaste he used. > > RESPONSE: I think this comment by Rick to be apposite--and holding within > itself a level of sophistication that begins to go to what the reality is. I > have never had that thought: "I believe that may be why he [Maharishi] placed > such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general". It seems it could > be true. > > For myself, I think there are a number of things to think about if one > assumes the veracity of Judy Bourque's testimony (corroborated most > unforgettably in Robert McCutcheon's "Afterword and Witness Testimonial"): > > 1. Maharishi either did not care to preserve his integrity in this way [that > is, match his private life with his declared public persona--not caring about > the consequences of this], and therefore does not have a conscience, or else > he was unable to control his carnal desires, and surrendered himself up to > his concupiscence involuntarily, as it were. Judith was, after all, a > beautiful young woman: she certainly would put his enlightenment to the test > (in this way, enlightenment--Maharishi's at least--requires some vow of > celibacy, which presumably Maharishi gave in the course of his commitment to > Swami Brahmananda Saraswati). > > 2. Were TM to be what Maharishi claimed it to be:--Nature's way of coming to > know the Unified Field, Nature's way of knowing the final truth about nature, > Nature's way of fulfilling one full potential as a human being--*Nature would > never allow the exponent, the personal embodiment, of this truth to be > compromised in this way*. Nature would have supported Maharishi's celibacy. > The fact that Nature did not do this, tells us everything we need to know > about the finality of Nature's commitment to the truth of TM, since guarding > the reputation of Maharishi in this way would have been a sine qua non. And, > as well, what Nature ['Nature' here designates the source of truth, the > source of 'creative intelligence', the ultimate arbiter of what is real] > really thought of Maharishi is revealed in allowing Maharishi to disgrace > himself in this way. That is, not in the act of having a physical > relationship with Judith Bourque, but in his implicit presentation of himself > as someone incapable of succumbing to the insistence of his erotic desire. > > 3. Maharishi must have known somehow that the truth would eventually come out > about him. He did nothing to prepare his disciples, or his successor, for > this scandal, a scandal whose reverberations would never cease, because of > how impressive and beautiful and believable Maharishi was in terms of > radiating out from himself the truth of his very Teaching. Imagine, had > someone posed theoretically the question to him: "Maharishi, what should a > disciple of a Master do or feel if that Master, who was sworn--one must > believe, happily so--to celibacy, violates that vow and demonstrates by doing > so that he is a prisoner of something other than his own pure consciousness?" > Maharishi was never able to compute the inevitable consequences of his having > indulged--however sincerely at the level of romance--his carnal desires in > this way. What Rick brings our attention to seems to offer up an answer to > this: Maharishi thought he,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to > > Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. > > They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi > > doing what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa > > massaging Maharishi's feet "after we have been together". > > So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-) I'm still trying to figure out what the yonified field is? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3". > > > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > You want notarized photos? > > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: > > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're > always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel > great and they smell great...you know, and I could > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't > know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished > more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell > me I don't like `em very much." > > Oh. > > Wait. > > I just looked at the label on the videotape, > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." > > Never mind. Pretty clever Turq, I though it was you, so who you dating now?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > [BillyG] Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > > > [Rick] You want notarized photos? > > > > ..at least a stained dhoti (or sari). ;-) Even Bourque > > never went into detail (unless in her book). So far it's > > just her weird, 'er word against well, his. > > Sounds to me as if Billy has a somewhat unhealthy > interest in these matters. He wants details about > the size of Mr. Cubby's chubby. :-) Some 'real' evidence huh Turq?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Robin Carlsen > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:39 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > Dear Rick, > > Had it not been for what you said about Maharishi and secrecy, I doubt I > would have posted anything about this matter. But something alerted in me > when I read your comment. > > I think it was the toothpaste. :-) > > You will see that I have added a ninth reflection, for me, the most > important one of all. > > The only way anything can change here is if either Bevan or someone else can > communicate to us something about Maharishi which somehow is inclusive of > his behaviour with women--women, that is, who caused him to feel intense > physical desire. > > Perhaps with Bevan (or this other person) such a portrait of Maharishi can > emerge. But that would mean writing a book--it is I believe a book that > Bevan's soul desperately would want him to write, but Bevan, he is likely to > deny to his soul this satisfaction. > > Robin > > Bevan was as guilty of such behavior as MMY was. I doubt any such book will > be forthcoming. Dear Rick, That is not something I know anything about, and it surprises me. Bevan always seemed to me to be a highly principled person. I do think, however, I know of someone who was close to Maharishi who was the only naturally celibate initiator I have ever known--and I think, moreover, his communion with Maharishi was like no one else's. He made teaching TM and being a disciple of Maharishi seem a very pure and irreproachable profession. He always carried the authority of his perfect surrender to Maharishi, and he himself found a dharma which was almost critic-proof. I think even women always felt the flawlessness of his celibacy and therefore were comfortable around him for this very reason. But the real point I am trying to make here, Rick, is this person *knew Maharishi the man* as well as Maharishi the Master. And I felt that Maharishi made himself known in this way only to this person. Therefore this person, and this person only, really has the credentials to tell us all about Maharishi the man, the human being. For this person was objective about Maharishi, else he could not have delivered such a serene performance in every second (or so it seemed to me) that he served Maharishi. I don't think even after Maharishi's death was this relationship severed. But he carried something so enigmatic in his deportment and person, that I hardly feel I know him even as I know you, whom I have never even met. But this person, I wish he would write a book about Maharishi, because his relationship with Maharishi was totally real--both from the side of Maharishi and from his own side. He never pretended anything; he just remained attuned to Maharishi--in all his aspects. And he was totally believable in this. He was faultless in his devotion to an apparently faulty human being; but this person had this advantage: he saw how profound a person Maharishi was, and how the entire universe was willing to demonstrate how significant a being Maharishi was. And that is the story about Maharishi, Rick--at least it is for me. To be able to see Maharishi as he really was, including what Judith Bourque reveals in her book, requires also to see him as a truly cosmic being. This person I speak of he always could see that Maharishi was like no human being of our lifetime; he saw his spiritual integrity, no matter how it was compromised in his actions as a human being. And what this person apprehended, it was powerful and ineffable. I would trust his account of Maharishi, and no one else's. Until then we only get the polarized and psychologically determined portraits--only in this person exists a paradigm that potentially can address the contradiction of Maharishi. I will neither confirm or deny any candidates that you might feel tempted to put before me. I cannot do this. I respect this person's integrity too much, although it is a form of integrity which is outside the range of my own human possibilities. One thing I would say: Maharishi respected and loved this initiator more than anyone else. But only Maharishi and this person could know this. What I seek, Rick, is some reconciliation of these antinomies in Maharishi. Only in this way can we ever obtain a proper estimate of him inside the universe. I have my reservations about him--to say the least--but I know he came upon the earth for some reason which transcends everything he has taught and everything he has done. And I believe thi
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 3:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque Emily, You have to consider the omens that were present during this interview. Did you notice that the birds in the area started to get louder in their squeals as the interview went on? It appears to me that there was something wrong with the content of the interview. JR The birds were just getting a bit turned on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3". > > > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > You want notarized photos? > > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: > > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're > always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel > great and they smell great...you know, and I could > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't > know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished > more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell > me I don't like `em very much." > > Oh. > > Wait. > > I just looked at the label on the videotape, > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." > > Never mind. > Barry, It sounds more like you've been watching Ron Jeremy's movies. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to > > Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. > > They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi > > doing what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa > > massaging Maharishi's feet "after we have been together". > > So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-) Just curious Vaj. What is the physical sensation you experience when you allow yourself to strike out at people? What is the corresponding cerebral experience? Is there a reward in it for you and what does it feel like? Do you get high Vaj? Is it the same sensation as when you do something loving for someone? What feels better, hurling insults or providing caring support? Just curious. Maybe there's a clinical or spiritual condition that you fall under here. Or maybe it just has no name. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > Emily, > > You have to consider the omens that were present during > this interview. Did you notice that the birds in the > area started to get louder in their squeals as the > interview went on? It appears to me that there was > something wrong with the content of the interview. And people ask me why I still read Fairfield Life. There are off-the-wall TB cult twif beliefs, and then there are truly insane TB cult twif beliefs. This place is better than "Jersey Shore." :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: > > > > Rick - thank you for posting this. This interview is truly > > excellent and has so much to say on so many levels. Beautiful. > > > > > > > > From: Rick Archer > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 9:10 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" > > Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > Â > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Carlsen Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque Dear Rick, Had it not been for what you said about Maharishi and secrecy, I doubt I would have posted anything about this matter. But something alerted in me when I read your comment. I think it was the toothpaste. :-) You will see that I have added a ninth reflection, for me, the most important one of all. The only way anything can change here is if either Bevan or someone else can communicate to us something about Maharishi which somehow is inclusive of his behaviour with women--women, that is, who caused him to feel intense physical desire. Perhaps with Bevan (or this other person) such a portrait of Maharishi can emerge. But that would mean writing a book--it is I believe a book that Bevan's soul desperately would want him to write, but Bevan, he is likely to deny to his soul this satisfaction. Robin Bevan was as guilty of such behavior as MMY was. I doubt any such book will be forthcoming.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi doing what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa massaging Maharishi's feet "after we have been together". So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-) Either that, or Tat Wala Baba knew what MMY had been up to and gave him a foot rub to recharge his shakti.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Emily, You have to consider the omens that were present during this interview. Did you notice that the birds in the area started to get louder in their squeals as the interview went on? It appears to me that there was something wrong with the content of the interview. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: > > Rick - thank you for posting this. Â This interview is truly excellent and > has so much to say on so many levels. Â Beautiful. Â > > > > From: Rick Archer > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 9:10 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" > Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > Â > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > One would have thought that if what Judith Bourque has told is is true, then > Maharishi somehow would have had to bear the consequences of this; and this > would, however imperceptibly, show up in his performance. It would almost be > like discovering Saint Francis secretly sponsored dog-fighting. I know that > sounds harsh, but the idea of Maharishi transferring his love for his > Master--and the Holy Tradition--to a woman and and an experience which he > knew was ephemeral, which he knew was impossible to sustain in the context of > his role in the world, why this just defies the imagination--it does mine, > anyhow. I trusted Maharishi in this way, not on the basis of simply his > enlightenment, but on the very form that enlightenment took, which was as a > traditional celibate Saint. It has (appeared in his “performance”), wasn’t it Judith who noted the distress of Maheshiji and the drowning of a student on a course as stemming from his own sexual karmas? Perhaps that was from Conny Larsson? >From Robert McCutcheon: (Maharishi's former secretary) Ned, you are spot-on in what you say about Maharishi and the TM movement. My faith in Maharishi's supposed perfection dissipated when he got sexually involved with Jennifer. Then when she left him and went to hide out in Switzerland with Bev and Fran, I observed him reduced to the status of a quivering adolescent. Vaj - apparently great yogic-rishi types turn into sniveling, quivering adolescents when the lingam can no longer find the yonified field. Who’da thunk?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to > Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. > They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi doing > what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa massaging > Maharishi's feet "after we have been together". So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Dear Rick, Had it not been for what you said about Maharishi and secrecy, I doubt I would have posted anything about this matter. But something alerted in me when I read your comment. I think it was the toothpaste. :-) You will see that I have added a ninth reflection, for me, the most important one of all. The only way anything can change here is if either Bevan or someone else can communicate to us something about Maharishi which somehow is inclusive of his behaviour with women--women, that is, who caused him to feel intense physical desire. Perhaps with Bevan (or this other person) such a portrait of Maharishi can emerge. But that would mean writing a book--it is I believe a book that Bevan's soul desperately would want him to write, but Bevan, he is likely to deny to his soul this satisfaction. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > to me that it would be the person who did this while > claiming to be celibate. If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha think? ;-) Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have a harem to boot! That's a silly comment. He "nailed" quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority knew things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what brand of toothpaste he used. RESPONSE: I think this comment by Rich to be apposite--and holding within itself a level of sophistication that begins to go to what the reality is. I have never had that thought: "I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general". It seems it could be true. For myself, I think there are a number of things to think about if one assumes the veracity of Judy Bourque's testimony (corroborated most unforgettable in Robert McCutcheon's "Afterword and Witness Testimonial"): 1. Maharishi either did not care to preserve his integrity in this way, and therefore does not have a conscience, or else he was unable to control his carnal desires, and surrendered himself up to his concupiscence involuntarily, as it were. Judith was, after all, a beautiful woman: she certainly would put his enlightenment to the test (in this way, enlightenment--Maharishi's at least--requires some vow of celibacy, which presumably Maharishi gave in the course of his commitment to Swami Brahmananda Saraswati). 2. Were TM to be what Maharishi claimed it to be:--Nature's way of coming to know the Unified Field, Nature's way of knowing the final truth about nature, Nature's way of fulfilling one full potential as a human being--*Nature would never allow the exponent, the personal embodiment, of this truth to be compromised in this way*. Nature would have supported Maharishi's celibacy. The fact that Nature did not do this, tells us everything we need to know about the finality of Nature's commitment to the truth of TM, since guarding the reputation of Maharishi in this way would have been a sine qua non. And, as well, what Nature ['Nature' here designates the source of truth, the source of 'creative intelligence', the ultimate arbiter of what is real] really thought of Maharishi is revealed in allowing Maharishi to disgrace himself in this way. That is, not in the act of having a physical relationship with Judith Bourque, but in his implicit presentation of himself as someone incapable of succumbing to the insistence of his erotic feelings. 3. Maharishi must have known somehow that the truth would eventually come out about him. He did nothing to prepare his disciples, or his successor, for this scandal, a scandal who reverberations would never cease, because of how impressive and beautiful and believable Maharishi was in terms of radiating out from himself the truth of his very Teaching. Imagine, had someone posed theoretically the questions to him: Maharishi, what would should a disciple of a Master do
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > to me that it would be the person who did this while > claiming to be celibate. If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha think? ;-) Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have a harem to boot! That's a silly comment. He "nailed" quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority knew things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what brand of toothpaste he used. RESPONSE: I think this comment by Rick to be apposite--and holding within itself a level of sophistication that begins to go to what the reality is. I have never had that thought: "I believe that may be why he [Maharishi] placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general". It seems it could be true. For myself, I think there are a number of things to think about if one assumes the veracity of Judy Bourque's testimony (corroborated most unforgettably in Robert McCutcheon's "Afterword and Witness Testimonial"): 1. Maharishi either did not care to preserve his integrity in this way [that is, match his private life with his declared public persona--not caring about the consequences of this], and therefore does not have a conscience, or else he was unable to control his carnal desires, and surrendered himself up to his concupiscence involuntarily, as it were. Judith was, after all, a beautiful young woman: she certainly would put his enlightenment to the test (in this way, enlightenment--Maharishi's at least--requires some vow of celibacy, which presumably Maharishi gave in the course of his commitment to Swami Brahmananda Saraswati). 2. Were TM to be what Maharishi claimed it to be:--Nature's way of coming to know the Unified Field, Nature's way of knowing the final truth about nature, Nature's way of fulfilling one full potential as a human being--*Nature would never allow the exponent, the personal embodiment, of this truth to be compromised in this way*. Nature would have supported Maharishi's celibacy. The fact that Nature did not do this, tells us everything we need to know about the finality of Nature's commitment to the truth of TM, since guarding the reputation of Maharishi in this way would have been a sine qua non. And, as well, what Nature ['Nature' here designates the source of truth, the source of 'creative intelligence', the ultimate arbiter of what is real] really thought of Maharishi is revealed in allowing Maharishi to disgrace himself in this way. That is, not in the act of having a physical relationship with Judith Bourque, but in his implicit presentation of himself as someone incapable of succumbing to the insistence of his erotic desire. 3. Maharishi must have known somehow that the truth would eventually come out about him. He did nothing to prepare his disciples, or his successor, for this scandal, a scandal whose reverberations would never cease, because of how impressive and beautiful and believable Maharishi was in terms of radiating out from himself the truth of his very Teaching. Imagine, had someone posed theoretically the question to him: "Maharishi, what should a disciple of a Master do or feel if that Master, who was sworn--one must believe, happily so--to celibacy, violates that vow and demonstrates by doing so that he is a prisoner of something other than his own pure consciousness?" Maharishi was never able to compute the inevitable consequences of his having indulged--however sincerely at the level of romance--his carnal desires in this way. What Rick brings our attention to seems to offer up an answer to this: Maharishi thought he, as it were, could behave in a way which would metaphysically somehow keep the universe itself from divulging the truth about his inability or unwillingness to live out the truth which he so powerfully and explicitly imposed upon those wh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > [BillyG] Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > > > [Rick] You want notarized photos? > > ..at least a stained dhoti (or sari). ;-) Even Bourque > never went into detail (unless in her book). So far it's > just her weird, 'er word against well, his. Sounds to me as if Billy has a somewhat unhealthy interest in these matters. He wants details about the size of Mr. Cubby's chubby. :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:37 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > Are you telling me MMY only had 2 or 3 girlfriends in his lifetime? Come > on, > > if he is who they say he is he would have been clearly exposed by now. All > > we have in ONE real liar 'er...witness, after, what 40 years??! > > > > > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the "Sexy Sadie" > file > > and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're > getting > > "2 or 3". > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > You want notarized photos? ..at least a stained dhoti (or sari). ;-) Even Bourque never went into detail (unless in her book). So far it's just her weird, 'er word against well, his. Maybe you should try reading the book before commenting on it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3". > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > You want notarized photos? I have a quote from one of Maharishi's lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and they're so great looking, you know...and they feel great and they smell great...you know, and I could be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this point in my life...I know I should've accomplished more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell me I don't like `em very much." Oh. Wait. I just looked at the label on the videotape, and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." Never mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of wgm4u > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:18 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On Behalf Of wgm4u > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:37 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > Are you telling me MMY only had 2 or 3 girlfriends in his lifetime? Come > on, > > if he is who they say he is he would have been clearly exposed by now. All > > we have in ONE real liar 'er...witness, after, what 40 years??! > > > > > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the "Sexy Sadie" > file > > and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're > getting > > "2 or 3". > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted > > You want notarized photos? ..at least a stained dhoti (or sari). ;-) Even Bourque never went into detail (unless in her book). So far it's just her weird, 'er word against well, his.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of wgm4u > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:37 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > Are you telling me MMY only had 2 or 3 girlfriends in his lifetime? Come on, > if he is who they say he is he would have been clearly exposed by now. All > we have in ONE real liar 'er...witness, after, what 40 years??! > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the "Sexy Sadie" file > and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're getting > "2 or 3". Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted You want notarized photos?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of wgm4u > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:37 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > Are you telling me MMY only had 2 or 3 girlfriends in his lifetime? Come on, > if he is who they say he is he would have been clearly exposed by now. All > we have in ONE real liar 'er...witness, after, what 40 years??! > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the "Sexy Sadie" file > and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're getting > "2 or 3". Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque Are you telling me MMY only had 2 or 3 girlfriends in his lifetime? Come on, if he is who they say he is he would have been clearly exposed by now. All we have in ONE real liar 'er...witness, after, what 40 years??! I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of wgm4u > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:51 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , wgm4u wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affa > ir-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > > to me that it would be the person who did this while > > claiming to be celibate. > > If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime > with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha > think? ;-) > > Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have > a harem to boot! > > That's a silly comment. He "nailed" quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go > hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as > secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on > secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority knew > things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what brand > of toothpaste he used. Are you telling me MMY only had 2 or 3 girlfriends in his lifetime? Come on, if he is who they say he is he would have been clearly exposed by now. All we have in ONE real liar 'er...witness, after, what 40 years??!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affa ir-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > to me that it would be the person who did this while > claiming to be celibate. If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha think? ;-) Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have a harem to boot! That's a silly comment. He "nailed" quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority knew things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what brand of toothpaste he used.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? > > Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* > reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into > Judith Bourque and a number of other women. > > If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems > to me that it would be the person who did this while > claiming to be celibate. If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha think? ;-) Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have a harem to boot!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html > > She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and > soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver > for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a > tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into Judith Bourque and a number of other women. If you're looking for a "tortured soul," it seems to me that it would be the person who did this while claiming to be celibate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affa > ir-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses?
