[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did'tn the mayor evacuate the poor with these NO buses?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Yahoo! News Photo_ (http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/050901/480/flpc21109012015) Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. News flash to Judy: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Are you a school bus driver? I have been in the past, for special events. Shemp's right on this one in many states, where only a regular driver's license (not a commercial license) is required to drive a school bus. That doesn't have anything to do with anything in this situation, because by the time the need to evacuate hundreds of thousands of people became evident, the roads were already impassable because of the storm. Evacuation of the poor wasn't planned for, so it didn't happen. That's not good. Trying to help them once they were trapped *obviously* wasn't planned for. That's not good. Lots of not good to spread around here. Petty assholes on FFL slinging shit and trying to make it land only on the people they don't like is also not good. Get a life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/4/05 10:32:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think it would have been a matter of arresting people who refused to leave, but they could have announced emergency evacuation plans on Radio and TV starting Friday night and started picking up those that WANTED to leave at designated places and take them to shelters north and west of the city. All hey needed to do was get them out of NO and the path of the Katrina. Governor Blanco could have issued orders to open all public buildings including schools for evacuees. They had from Friday evening till Sunday morning at 6 am to move as many as wanted to go. We saw no such effort.I don't know if such effort was madeand neither do you. How couldyou? If no such effort were made , would you agree it was a mistake? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 10:38:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Are you a school bus driver? Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to drive a school bus. There are lots of stories of young people breaking into School bus depots and stealing them so they could evacuate. Several came to Houston filling them with whoever wanted to come with them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 10:32:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think it would have been a matter of arresting people who refused to leave, but they could have announced emergency evacuation plans on Radio and TV starting Friday night and started picking up those that WANTED to leave at designated places and take them to shelters north and west of the city. All hey needed to do was get them out of NO and the path of the Katrina. Governor Blanco could have issued orders to open all public buildings including schools for evacuees. They had from Friday evening till Sunday morning at 6 am to move as many as wanted to go. We saw no such effort. I don't know if such effort was madeand neither do you. How couldyou? If no such effort were made , would you agree it was a mistake? Assuming that it was possible to do what you said... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/4/05 10:52:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stretch yourself, MDixon and Shemp. There aretwo major, obvious exceptions to the rule thatANYONE can drive the buses.I'll give you one for free: Only folks who knowhow to drive can drive the buses.Now, what's the second one? Um ya have to be licensed? Well a good emergency plan would have had designated drivers planned forwith specific routes and pick up points and designated destinations for drop off at designated shelter out side the city and flood plane. It doesn't take anymore resources than what they already had. Just some forethought and planning. If the planning was too much for the mayors office, the governors office should have worked on a plan with the city. There are numerous school districts that surround the city of NO and any of their buses could have been brought in at the order of the governor to assist. Again no extra resources, just using the ones available and having a plan. Now if the President was supposed to have foreseen the breaking of the levees so should the governor and the mayor and had the city evacuated. Had you listened to Michael Chertoff clearly on Meet the Press, all of the reports about what would happen if the levees broke said "once they broke it would be too late. Thousands would die. Evacuation needed to occur BEFORE they broke".He also stated clearly that by law it is the responsibility of the state and local governments to have and execute evacuation plans in the event of disasters. Had this been done, much more attention could have been put on getting the people out of the Dome more quickly by local authorities and rescue teams. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 11:18:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings," the paper reported. "He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore."We were briefing them way before landfall," Mayfield said. "It's not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped."Chertoff told reporters Saturday that government officials had not expected the damaging combination of a powerful hurricane levee breaches that flooded New Orleans. Judy , there are some key words here. Mayfield uses the word topped when describing what could happen with the levees. He said nothing about breaching. I'm sure you know the difference. Topping is water spilling over the top, which the pumps most likely could have handled. Breaching is the levee breaking and giving way which is what happened, the pumps could not function at that point. Even the Army Corp of Engineers said they levees should have been strong enough not to breach but they did anticipate they could be topped or have spill over if a hurricane exceeded a category 3. That's why you have pumps.That is also why I'm very interested in this report about a barge damaging the levees. As for the administration trying to politicizeor lay blame. I have heard Bush from day one say he expected his people to not get involved in that, but stay focused on the job. However the media keeps raising the issue "why didn't FEMA evacuate the city when they knew the levees could breach". The response is a matter of fact that the law states that it is the responsibility of the state and local governments to do that , not FEMA. The Media istrying , knowingly or not, to blame the administration for what the State and City should have done in the first place. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/5/05 1:04:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been in the past, for special events.Shemp's right on this one in many states, whereonly a regular driver's license (not a commerciallicense) is required to drive a school bus. Thatdoesn't have anything to do with anything in thissituation, because by the time the need to evacuate hundreds of thousands of people becameevident, the roads were already impassable becauseof the storm.Evacuation of the poor wasn't planned for, so itdidn't happen. That's not good. Trying to helpthem once they were trapped *obviously* wasn'tplanned for. That's not good. Lots of "not good"to spread around here. That was the whole idea behind the buses. They could have been used to evacuate anybody that wanted out but had no transportation and it could have started at least Saturday morning, before the hurricane hit. Friday night evacuation plans could have been broadcast on TV and the radio and all through out Saturday. They had till Sunday morning to get the job done. And as I said earlier with the cooperation of the governors office they could have had all the surrounding school districts helping. All it took was some forethought and planning in advance. The only cost would have been overtime pay for the bus drivers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did'tn the mayor evacuate the poor with these NO buses?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Yahoo! News Photo_ (http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/050901/480/flpc21109012015) Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. News flash to Judy: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Are you a school bus driver? I have been in the past, for special events. Shemp's right on this one in many states, where only a regular driver's license (not a commercial license) is required to drive a school bus. However, this is irrelevant, but NOT because: That doesn't have anything to do with anything in this situation, because by the time the need to evacuate hundreds of thousands of people became evident, the roads were already impassable because of the storm. The issue is why the buses weren't used *before* the roads became impassable. As soon as it became clear that Katrina was likely to hit New Orleans, the need to evacuate was evident. There's yet another obvious requirement for driving the buses that nobody has mentioned (although it was in one of my earlier posts). Evacuation of the poor wasn't planned for, so it didn't happen. That's not good. Trying to help them once they were trapped *obviously* wasn't planned for. That's not good. Lots of not good to spread around here. What *was* planned for in the case of Katrina was to bus those who didn't evacuate to shelters of last resort, i.e., the Superdome and a couple of others. There were buses assigned to this task, and many took advantage of them; thousands of lives were saved thereby. What was not planned for was for people to have to stay in the shelters as long as they did, because it was expected that a FEMA-led effort to get them out of the shelters and away from the hurricane- ravaged area would be mounted immediately. The city also had in the works a complex, long-term plan to have local churches identify people in need of transportation and assign them to car pools, but it had only begun to be implemented by the time Katrina arrived. The plan would have taken another year or so to be fully developed and operational. Another plan that was in process was to retrofit the Superdome with backup generators and water supply and other independent infrastructure so that it *could* be used to shelter people for longer than a day or two, but that wasn't completed in time either. So the need to evacuate the poor was very well recognized as essential and was being worked on, but Katrina arrived too soon. The inherent difficulties of evacuating a city with such a huge car-less, money-less population as New Orleans are immense. The city was doing the best it could with the resources it had available. Busing all those who wanted to leave away from the city was simply not possible with the short notice they had with Katrina, first because of the lack of drivers, and second because of the traffic problem. Another complication was that the number of people who wanted to leave but couldn't afford to rent a car or take commercial transportation was higher than it might have been because so many of the poor population were on government assistance, and Katrina arrived near the end of the month when they were almost out of funds. Petty assholes on FFL slinging shit and trying to make it land only on the people they don't like is also not good. Get a life. Actually, sniping at folks who are discussing a complex problem when you're so ill informed yourself, for lack of anything else to contribute, is distinctly in the not-good, get- a-life category. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 10:38:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Are you a school bus driver? Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to drive a school bus. There are lots of stories of young people breaking into School bus depots and stealing them so they could evacuate. Several came to Houston filling them with whoever wanted to come with them. I've seen only one such story. The guy was arrested and charged with theft. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 10:52:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stretch yourself, MDixon and Shemp. There are two major, obvious exceptions to the rule that ANYONE can drive the buses. I'll give you one for free: Only folks who know how to drive can drive the buses. Now, what's the second one? Um ya have to be licensed? Nope, guess again. Well a good emergency plan would have had designated drivers planned for with specific routes and pick up points and designated destinations for drop off at designated shelter out side the city and flood plane. It doesn't take anymore resources than what they already had. It does in terms of the requirement I mentioned; but even if they could have met that requirement, it would have very seriously complicated the traffic problems both within and leaving the city. The worst *possible* place to be when a hurricane hits is in a car or bus in gridlocked traffic. Even if they'd had the drivers, they didn't have enough time. snip Had you listened to Michael Chertoff clearly on Meet the Press, all of the reports about what would happen if the levees broke said once they broke it would be too late. Thousands would die. Evacuation needed to occur BEFORE they broke. He also stated clearly that by law it is the responsibility of the state and local governments to have and execute evacuation plans in the event of disasters. In fact, the National Response Plan, accepted by the Bush administration in December 2004, provides that in the event of a major emergency that is likely to overwhelm the resources of state and local governments, the feds are to take over immediately: In an Incident of National Significance, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in coordination with other Federal departments and agencies, INITIATES actions to prevent, PREPARE FOR, respond to, and recover from the incident. These actions are taken in conjunction with State, local, tribal, nongovernmental, and private-sector entities. [emphasis added] The threat of a category 4 hurricane striking New Orleans amply meets the official definition of an Incident of National Significance. In other words, the feds' responsibility clearly takes precedence over that of state and local authorities. Here's the full text of the National Response Plan in PDF form: http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRPbaseplan.pdf Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 11:18:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings, the paper reported. He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore. We were briefing them way before landfall, Mayfield said. It's not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped. Chertoff told reporters Saturday that government officials had not expected the damaging combination of a powerful hurricane levee breaches that flooded New Orleans. Judy , there are some key words here. Mayfield uses the word topped when describing what could happen with the levees. He said nothing about breaching. I'm sure you know the difference. Topping is water spilling over the top, which the pumps most likely could have handled. I'm not at all sure it's clear the pumps could have handled the topping from the storm surge of a cat 4 hurricane. Remember, the system--including the pumps-- was designed to withstand only a cat 3 hurricane. snip As for the administration trying to politicize or lay blame. I have heard Bush from day one say he expected his people to not get involved in that, but stay focused on the job. And you believed him? That's just more of his typical hypocrisy. The administration has been frantically figuring out ways to lay blame on local authorities; that's about all Chertoff has been doing in the last few days in his public appearances. There is a *massive* effort under way to direct blame away from the administration. However the media keeps raising the issue why didn't FEMA evacuate the city when they knew the levees could breach. The response is a matter of fact that the law states that it is the responsibility of the state and local governments to do that , not FEMA. As I pointed out in my previous post, that simply is not the case. The administration's National Response Plan explicitly designates DHA (which includes FEMA) as the quarterback in preparing for as well as responding to threats as severe as that posed by Katrina. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As for the administration trying to politicize or lay blame. I have heard Bush from day one say he expected his people to not get involved in that, but stay focused on the job. And you believed him? That's just more of his typical hypocrisy. Just heard on CNN, Governor Blanco had no idea when Bush would be flying into Baton Rouge today until her people called the White House and asked at 6:00 this morning. She had enough time to arrange to meet him at the airport, but isn't it interesting that the White House forgot to give her a heads-up? Also, all air traffic--including rescue helicopters and evacuation planes--were have been grounded for Bush's visit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As for the administration trying to politicize or lay blame. I have heard Bush from day one say he expected his people to not get involved in that, but stay focused on the job. From the New York Times this morning: September 5, 2005 White House Enacts a Plan to Ease Political Damage By ADAM NAGOURNEY and ANNE E. KORNBLUT WASHINGTON, Sept. 4 - Under the command of President Bush's two senior political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan this weekend to contain the political damage from the administration's response to Hurricane Katrina. It orchestrated visits by cabinet members to the region, leading up to an extraordinary return visit by Mr. Bush planned for Monday, directed administration officials not to respond to attacks from Democrats on the relief efforts, and sought to move the blame for the slow response to Louisiana state officials, according to Republicans familiar with the White House plan. The effort is being directed by Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, and his communications director, Dan Bartlett. It began late last week after Congressional Republicans called White House officials to register alarm about what they saw as a feeble response by Mr. Bush to the hurricane, according to Republican Congressional aides One Republican with knowledge of the effort said that Mr. Rove had told administration officials not to respond to Democratic attacks on Mr. Bush's handling of the hurricane in the belief that the president was in a weak moment and that the administration should not appear to be seen now as being blatantly political. As with others in the party, this Republican would discuss the deliberations only on condition of anonymity because of keen White House sensitivity about how the administration and its strategy would be perceived. In a reflection of what has long been a hallmark of Mr. Rove's tough political style, the administration is also working to shift the blame away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and Louisiana who, as it happens, are Democrats These officials said that Mr. Bush and his political aides rapidly changed course in what they acknowledged was a belated realization of the situation's political ramifications. As is common when this White House confronts a serious problem, management was quickly taken over by Mr. Rove and a group of associates including Mr. Bartlett http://tinyurl.com/7dfh6 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/5/05 9:00:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen only one such story. The guy was arrestedand charged with theft. I've heard of a couple others as well. But doesn't change the fact that almost anybody can drive a school bus. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/5/05 10:27:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The effort is being directed by Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, and his communications director, Dan Bartlett. It began late last week after Congressional Republicans called White House officials to register alarm about what they saw as a feeble response by Mr. Bush to the hurricane, according to Republican Congressional aidesOne Republican with knowledge of the effort said that Mr. Rove had told administration officials not to respond to Democratic attacks on Mr. Bush's handling of the hurricane in the belief that the president was in a weak moment and that the administration should not appear to be seen now as being blatantly political. As with others in the party, this Republican would discuss the deliberations only on condition of anonymity because of keen White House sensitivity about how the administration and its strategy would be perceived.In a reflection of what has long been a hallmark of Mr. Rove's tough political style, the administration is also working to shift the blame away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and Louisiana who, as it happens, are DemocratsThese officials said that Mr. Bush and his political aides rapidly changed course in what they acknowledged was a belated realization of the situation's political ramifications. As is common when this White House confronts a serious problem, management was quickly taken over by Mr. Rove and a group of associates including Mr. Bartletthttp://tinyurl.com/7dfh6 The writers of this article have a white House memo I suppose or is this all a hunch? I haven't heard any names, just an official in the White House. What exactly defines an official? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/05 10:27:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The effort is being directed by Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, and his communications director, Dan Bartlett. It began late last week after Congressional Republicans called White House officials to register alarm about what they saw as a feeble response by Mr. Bush to the hurricane, according to Republican Congressional aides One Republican with knowledge of the effort said that Mr. Rove had told administration officials not to respond to Democratic attacks on Mr. Bush's handling of the hurricane in the belief that the president was in a weak moment and that the administration should not appear to be seen now as being blatantly political. As with others in the party, this Republican would discuss the deliberations only on condition of anonymity because of keen White House sensitivity about how the administration and its strategy would be perceived. In a reflection of what has long been a hallmark of Mr. Rove's tough political style, the administration is also working to shift the blame away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and Louisiana who, as it happens, are Democrats These officials said that Mr. Bush and his political aides rapidly changed course in what they acknowledged was a belated realization of the situation's political ramifications. As is common when this White House confronts a serious problem, management was quickly taken over by Mr. Rove and a group of associates including Mr. Bartlett http://tinyurl.com/7dfh6 The writers of this article have a white House memo I suppose or is this all a hunch? Did you read the article? Because I have no idea where you came up with the notion of either a memo or a hunch. The article is explicit about where it got the information (albeit anonymously). I haven't heard any names, just an official in the White House. If you'd read the article, you'd have seen that it says the Times talked to several White House officials and some Republicans (presumably not White House officials). As to names, if you'd read the article you'd have seen this sentence: As with others in the party, this Republican would discuss the deliberations only on condition of anonymity because of keen White House sensitivity about how the administration and its strategy would be perceived. What exactly defines an official? I would imagine it's someone with a government title. Of course, if you want to remain firmly sunk in denial, you can fantasize that the Times made up the whole thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did'tn the mayor evacuate the poor with these NO buses?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The governor didn't call up the National Guard till Wednesday night and didn't declare martial law till Friday morning. Martial law has not been declared in Louisiana. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea. The governor and mayor totally mismanaged their responsibilities. Bush had to go down there and see what the hell was going on and within 10 hours the Texas National Guard had taken control of the Convention Center and Dome bringing food and water. Within twenty four hours, the Army, Navy, Marines, Air force and Coast Guard were on the scene Evacuating by helicopter the people to buses, airplanes, and trains to take them to refugee centers. And had everything under control by Friday evening. Bush, of course, could have gotten this going many days earlier if he'd been paying attention instead of romping around, still on vacation, giving speeches on Iraq and Social Security. He didn't have to go down there to find out what was happening and what was needed if FEMA and DHA, which should have been on the scene and preparing before the hurricane arrived, had been doing their jobs. For that matter, he didn't even need FEMA and DHA to see what was happening--it was all right there on television. He went down there when he knew the belatedly called-up federal forces were almost in position so that it would *appear* that he had saved the day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/05 9:00:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen only one such story. The guy was arrested and charged with theft. I've heard of a couple others as well. But doesn't change the fact that almost anybody can drive a school bus. INCLUDING little old ladies...who, by the way, seem to be the drivers of the school buses I usually see on the streets. In the days leading up to the hurricane when everyone was told to evaculate, there is simply NO REASON why there wasn't a plan in place to deputize citizens on every block to be the designated school bus drivers for all those buses in the photo sitting there doing nothing. And how in hell the responsibility for such a plan could be on the Feds and NOT on the local administration I do not know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/05 9:00:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen only one such story. The guy was arrested and charged with theft. I've heard of a couple others as well. But doesn't change the fact that almost anybody can drive a school bus. INCLUDING little old ladies...who, by the way, seem to be the drivers of the school buses I usually see on the streets. In the days leading up to the hurricane when everyone was told to evaculate, there is simply NO REASON why there wasn't a plan in place to deputize citizens on every block to be the designated school bus drivers for all those buses in the photo sitting there doing nothing. And how would you enforce this deputization if those so designated decided they weren't going to take the risk, or they couldn't be found, when push came to shove? You've just added another layer of difficulty to the whole thing. And how in hell the responsibility for such a plan could be on the Feds and NOT on the local administration I do not know. It's written into the administration's own plan for dealing with disasters, as I outlined in a recent post. I doubt the feds could have done a whole lot more than the city did given the short time frame, but the buck stops with the feds. If they don't like what the city did but weren't able to come up with anything better, they have no business trying to put the blame on the city. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/05 9:00:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen only one such story. The guy was arrested and charged with theft. I've heard of a couple others as well. But doesn't change the fact that almost anybody can drive a school bus. INCLUDING little old ladies...who, by the way, seem to be the drivers of the school buses I usually see on the streets. In the days leading up to the hurricane when everyone was told to evaculate, there is simply NO REASON why there wasn't a plan in place to deputize citizens on every block to be the designated school bus drivers for all those buses in the photo sitting there doing nothing. And how would you enforce this deputization if those so designated decided they weren't going to take the risk, or they couldn't be found, when push came to shove? In a perfect world, Judy, you aren't going to find ALL of those who you plan to have as drivers. You've just added another layer of difficulty to the whole thing. And how in hell the responsibility for such a plan could be on the Feds and NOT on the local administration I do not know. It's written into the administration's own plan for dealing with disasters, as I outlined in a recent post. Was the plan a guidebook for the appropriate level of government to work from or was it a plan JUST for federal authorities to work from? I doubt the feds could have done a whole lot more than the city did given the short time frame, but the buck stops with the feds. If they don't like what the city did but weren't able to come up with anything better, they have no business trying to put the blame on the city. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/05 9:00:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen only one such story. The guy was arrested and charged with theft. I've heard of a couple others as well. But doesn't change the fact that almost anybody can drive a school bus. INCLUDING little old ladies...who, by the way, seem to be the drivers of the school buses I usually see on the streets. In the days leading up to the hurricane when everyone was told to evaculate, there is simply NO REASON why there wasn't a plan in place to deputize citizens on every block to be the designated school bus drivers for all those buses in the photo sitting there doing nothing. And how would you enforce this deputization if those so designated decided they weren't going to take the risk, or they couldn't be found, when push came to shove? In a perfect world, Judy, you aren't going to find ALL of those who you plan to have as drivers. Shemp, it's just not practical. As I pointed out to MDixon, it's *vanishingly* unlikely that any of us here could come up with a better solution than the city had already. They know what their resources are and what would be involved in implementing this or that solution. And how in hell the responsibility for such a plan could be on the Feds and NOT on the local administration I do not know. It's written into the administration's own plan for dealing with disasters, as I outlined in a recent post. Was the plan a guidebook for the appropriate level of government to work from or was it a plan JUST for federal authorities to work from? Check it out yourself. http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRPbaseplan.pdf It's an overall plan designating the various levels of responsibility from the feds on down. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] In fact, the National Response Plan, accepted by the Bush administration in December 2004, provides that in the event of a major emergency that is likely to overwhelm the resources of state and local governments, the feds are to take over immediately: In fact, the feds DID officially take over on 27 Aug 2005: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. [...] Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] As I pointed out in my previous post, that simply is not the case. The administration's National Response Plan explicitly designates DHA (which includes FEMA) as the quarterback in preparing for as well as responding to threats as severe as that posed by Katrina. On 27 Aug, the governor asked for a state of national emergency to be declared specifically because Katrina was expected to overwhelm state resources. Bush responded by declaring said state on 27 Aug. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/5/05 4:37:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. [...]Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding. Key words: Supplement State and Local response efforts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/05 9:00:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen only one such story. The guy was arrested and charged with theft. I've heard of a couple others as well. But doesn't change the fact that almost anybody can drive a school bus. INCLUDING little old ladies...who, by the way, seem to be the drivers of the school buses I usually see on the streets. In the days leading up to the hurricane when everyone was told to evaculate, there is simply NO REASON why there wasn't a plan in place to deputize citizens on every block to be the designated school bus drivers for all those buses in the photo sitting there doing nothing. And how in hell the responsibility for such a plan could be on the Feds and NOT on the local administration I do not know. Was such a plan feasable given the number of people? The city of New Orleans had already (December of last year) issued a warning that the City could NOT evacuate everyone who needed assistance due to lack of resources. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/05 4:37:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. [...] Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding. Key words: Supplement State and Local response efforts. Which were in place with guardsmen doing evacuation and shelter-setup on Aug 28, and 3500 guards being activated during or just after the first hour that Katrina struck (7am DCtime, 29 Aug). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/5/05 5:07:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: INCLUDING little old ladies...who, by the way, seem to be the drivers of the school buses I usually see on the streets. In the days leading up to the hurricane when everyone was told to evaculate, there is simply NO REASON why there wasn't a plan in place to "deputize" citizens on every block to be the designated school bus drivers for all those buses in the photo sitting there doing nothing. And how in hell the responsibility for such a plan could be on the Feds and NOT on the local administration I do not know.Was such a plan feasable given the number of people?The city of New Orleans had already (December of last year) issued a warning that the City could NOT evacuate everyone who needed assistance due to lack of resources. Yes such a plan was feasible. The city had over 500 hundred buses, school and city public transportation. They used some to go around and pick up people and take them to the super dome, but not out of the city. Tonight on "Special report With Britt Hume" Britt reported that on Saturday before the storm the head of the National Weather Bureau called the Mayor and told him he needed to evacuate the city because they were about to take a direct hit from a class 5 hurricane and the Mayor told him he would not evacuate the city.ThateveningPresident Bush called the Mayor and had to plead with him to get him to evacuate NewOrleans. Now can you imagine what would have happened had he still refused to call an evacuation and nobody left New Orleans? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did'tn the mayor evacuate the poor with these NO buses?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Yahoo! News Photo_ (http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/050901/480/flpc21109012015) Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. Plus which: ...The City was acutely aware of the problem of evacing the poor and others who couldn't get out, but didn't have the resources to do it. Even with the claims on Drudge, the reality is the City didn't have 200 bus drivers to volunteer to drive them. The young man who comandeered a school bus was great, but imagine just grabbing two hundred drivers and sending them in heavy traffic to evacuate--the number of problems involving accidents would only make a difficult evacuation harder. City resources were focused on securing the city and moving people within the city to shelters including the Superdome. An action that saved innumerable lives. During Ivan, only 1200 people showed up at the Superdome. Since Ivan, the City improved its plan and had city buses run routes for people without cars to places where other special bus routes ran people to shelters. This time, 20-30,000 people got there. If there was a mistake, it was not designating another shelter of last resort--such as the Convention Center (this would have helped additionally because there would have been some real security planned). The State and the City were acutely aware that a mandatory evacuation would still leave at least 100,000 behind. There simply is no infrastructure to solve that problem anywhere in the nation. Knowing that, the City was working to make the Superdome retrofitted in its rehab to provide exactly the kind of improvements that would have alleviated the suffering--power sources and sewage modifications. http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012870.html Evacuation Preparedness Times-Picayune (New Orleans) July 24, 2005 Sunday In storm, N.O. wants no one left behind; Number of people without cars makes evacuation difficult By Bruce Nolan, Staff writer City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own. In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation. In the video, made by the anti-poverty agency Total Community Action, they urge those people to make arrangements now by finding their own ways to leave the city in the event of an evacuation. You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you, Wilkins said in an interview. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation Their message will be distributed on hundreds of DVDs across the city. The DVDs' basic get-out-of-town message applies to all audiences, but the it is especially targeted to scores of churches and other groups heavily concentrated in Central City and other vulnerable, low-income neighborhoods, said the Rev. Marshall Truehill, head of Total Community Action. The primary message is that each person is primarily responsible for themselves, for their own family and friends, Truehill said. In addition to the plea from Nagin, Thomas and Wilkins, video exhortations to make evacuation plans come from representatives of State Police and the National Weather Service, and from local officials such as Sen. Ann Duplessis, D-New Orleans, and State Rep. Arthur Morrell, D-New Orleans, said Allan Katz, whose advertising company is coordinating officials' scripts and doing the recording. The speakers explain what to bring and what to leave behind. They advise viewers to bring personal medicines and critical legal documents, and tell them how to create a family communication plan. Even a representative of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals weighs in with a message on how to make the best arrangements for pets left behind. Production likely will continue through August. Officials want to get the DVDs into the hands of pastors and community leaders as hurricane season reaches its height in September, Katz said http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012862.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
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In a message dated 9/4/05 4:11:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation?News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. So neither the governor nor the mayor had a plan to rescue or evacuate NO poor. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Yahoo! News Photo_ (http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/050901/480/flpc21109012015) Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? Good question. Why do they call an evacuation mandatory if you aren't required to leave? Years ago we had one in my neighborhood in Florida when i lived near the beach. I though i was going to have to leave, but a cop came to my door and asked me if I was leaving. I said no and he said suit yourself and left. WIthout enough people to make 100's of thousands of arrests (in the case of New Orleans), how do you enforce a mandatory evacuation? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/4/05 5:34:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WIthout enough people to make 100's of thousands of arrests (in the case of New Orleans), how do you enforce a mandatory evacuation? I don't think it would have been a matter of arresting people who refused to leave, but they could have announced emergency evacuation plans on Radio and TV starting Friday night and started picking up those that WANTED to leave at designated places and take them to shelters north and west of the city. All hey needed to do was get them out of NO and the path of the Katrina. Governor Blanco could have issued orders to open all public buildings including schools for evacuees. They had from Friday evening till Sunday morning at 6 am to move as many as wanted to go. We saw no such effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 4:11:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. So neither the governor nor the mayor had a plan to rescue or evacuate NO poor. Oh, how odd, somehow everything else in my post must have dropped off somehow. Here it is again (I can post it as many times as necessary): ...The City was acutely aware of the problem of evacing the poor and others who couldn't get out, but didn't have the resources to do it. Even with the claims on Drudge, the reality is the City didn't have 200 bus drivers to volunteer to drive them. The young man who comandeered a school bus was great, but imagine just grabbing two hundred drivers and sending them in heavy traffic to evacuate--the number of problems involving accidents would only make a difficult evacuation harder. City resources were focused on securing the city and moving people within the city to shelters including the Superdome. An action that saved innumerable lives. During Ivan, only 1200 people showed up at the Superdome. Since Ivan, the City improved its plan and had city buses run routes for people without cars to places where other special bus routes ran people to shelters. This time, 20-30,000 people got there. If there was a mistake, it was not designating another shelter of last resort--such as the Convention Center (this would have helped additionally because there would have been some real security planned). The State and the City were acutely aware that a mandatory evacuation would still leave at least 100,000 behind. There simply is no infrastructure to solve that problem anywhere in the nation. Knowing that, the City was working to make the Superdome retrofitted in its rehab to provide exactly the kind of improvements that would have alleviated the suffering--power sources and sewage modifications. http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012870.html Evacuation Preparedness Times-Picayune (New Orleans) July 24, 2005 Sunday In storm, N.O. wants no one left behind; Number of people without cars makes evacuation difficult By Bruce Nolan, Staff writer City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own. In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation. In the video, made by the anti-poverty agency Total Community Action, they urge those people to make arrangements now by finding their own ways to leave the city in the event of an evacuation. You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you, Wilkins said in an interview. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation Their message will be distributed on hundreds of DVDs across the city. The DVDs' basic get-out-of-town message applies to all audiences, but the it is especially targeted to scores of churches and other groups heavily concentrated in Central City and other vulnerable, low-income neighborhoods, said the Rev. Marshall Truehill, head of Total Community Action. The primary message is that each person is primarily responsible for themselves, for their own family and friends, Truehill said. In addition to the plea from Nagin, Thomas and Wilkins, video exhortations to make evacuation plans come from representatives of State Police and the National Weather Service, and from local officials such as Sen. Ann Duplessis, D-New Orleans, and State Rep. Arthur Morrell, D-New Orleans, said Allan Katz, whose advertising company is coordinating officials' scripts and doing the recording. The speakers explain what to bring and what to leave behind. They advise viewers to bring personal medicines and critical legal documents, and tell them how to create a family communication plan. Even a representative of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals weighs in with a message on how to make the best arrangements for pets left behind. Production likely will continue through August. Officials want to get the DVDs into the hands of pastors and community leaders as hurricane season reaches its height in September, Katz said http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012862.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
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In a message dated 9/4/05 5:50:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So neither the governor nor the mayor had a plan to rescue or evacuate NO poor.Oh, how odd, somehow everything else in my postmust have dropped off somehow. Yeah , I saw the whole thing the first time. Still , they never had a game plan other than saying"you're on you own, get out". Somebody drives those school buses five days a week. Saturday could have been a mandatory work day in an emergency for those drivers or there could have been designated drivers preplanned to drive preplanned evacuation routes. Still, they wouldn't have saved everybody because people are stubborn , stupid or hard headed and just aren't going to leave. However, it would have given those that did want to get out, but had no transportation or money or whatever a lot of the other excuses were, an opportunity to get to a public shelter out of the city. With proper planning they could have moved tens ofthousands in a 40 or 45 hour period. Buses could have even been brought in from out lying school districts if the governor ordered it. Still a lack of planning. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 5:50:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So neither the governor nor the mayor had a plan to rescue or evacuate NO poor. Oh, how odd, somehow everything else in my post must have dropped off somehow. Yeah , I saw the whole thing the first time. Still , they never had a game plan other than sayingyou're on you own, get out. Somebody drives those school buses five days a week. Saturday could have been a mandatory work day in an emergency for those drivers or there could have been designated drivers preplanned to drive preplanned evacuation routes. Still, they wouldn't have saved everybody because people are stubborn , stupid or hard headed and just aren't going to leave. However, it would have given those that did want to get out, but had no transportation or money or whatever a lot of the other excuses were, an opportunity to get to a public shelter out of the city. With proper planning they could have moved tens of thousands in a 40 or 45 hour period. Buses could have even been brought in from out lying school districts if the governor ordered it. Still a lack of planning. You know, a moment's reflection should tell you that, given they knew how many people there were without transportation, and that they *did* have plans to deal with the problem, it isn't very likely that there were better solutions of the kind you suggest that they hadn't already considered and rejected for good reason, or that were clearly not feasible in the first place. They know what their resources are and what's possible and what isn't; you don't. If we had some kind of evidence that they had simply brushed the problem off, or hadn't known it existed, you might have a point. But not only do we not have such evidence, we have very solid evidence to the contrary. This is just common sense, which seems to be in extremely short supply on the wingnut side of the equation. Moreover, increasing numbers of *responsible* conservatives, including previous fans of Bush, are recognizing where the real failure lies and aren't attempting desperately to pin all the blame on local authorities. The knee-jerk wingnuts like yourself and Shemp who continue to maintain their state of denial are becoming more and more isolated. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Yahoo! News Photo_ (http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/050901/480/flpc21109012015) Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. News flash to Judy: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Plus which: ...The City was acutely aware of the problem of evacing the poor and others who couldn't get out, but didn't have the resources to do it. Even with the claims on Drudge, the reality is the City didn't have 200 bus drivers to volunteer to drive them. The young man who comandeered a school bus was great, but imagine just grabbing two hundred drivers and sending them in heavy traffic to evacuate--the number of problems involving accidents would only make a difficult evacuation harder. City resources were focused on securing the city and moving people within the city to shelters including the Superdome. An action that saved innumerable lives. During Ivan, only 1200 people showed up at the Superdome. Since Ivan, the City improved its plan and had city buses run routes for people without cars to places where other special bus routes ran people to shelters. This time, 20-30,000 people got there. If there was a mistake, it was not designating another shelter of last resort-- such as the Convention Center (this would have helped additionally because there would have been some real security planned). The State and the City were acutely aware that a mandatory evacuation would still leave at least 100,000 behind. There simply is no infrastructure to solve that problem anywhere in the nation. Knowing that, the City was working to make the Superdome retrofitted in its rehab to provide exactly the kind of improvements that would have alleviated the suffering--power sources and sewage modifications. http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012870.html Evacuation Preparedness Times-Picayune (New Orleans) July 24, 2005 Sunday In storm, N.O. wants no one left behind; Number of people without cars makes evacuation difficult By Bruce Nolan, Staff writer City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own. In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation. In the video, made by the anti-poverty agency Total Community Action, they urge those people to make arrangements now by finding their own ways to leave the city in the event of an evacuation. You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you, Wilkins said in an interview. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation Their message will be distributed on hundreds of DVDs across the city. The DVDs' basic get-out-of-town message applies to all audiences, but the it is especially targeted to scores of churches and other groups heavily concentrated in Central City and other vulnerable, low-income neighborhoods, said the Rev. Marshall Truehill, head of Total Community Action. The primary message is that each person is primarily responsible for themselves, for their own family and friends, Truehill said. In addition to the plea from Nagin, Thomas and Wilkins, video exhortations to make evacuation plans come from representatives of State Police and the National Weather Service, and from local officials such as Sen. Ann Duplessis, D-New Orleans, and State Rep. Arthur Morrell, D-New Orleans, said Allan Katz, whose advertising company is coordinating officials' scripts and doing the recording. The speakers explain what to bring and what to leave behind. They advise viewers to bring personal medicines and critical legal documents, and tell them how to create a family communication plan. Even a representative of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals weighs in with a message on how to make the best arrangements for pets left behind. Production likely will continue through August. Officials want to get the DVDs into the hands of pastors and community leaders as hurricane season reaches its height in September, Katz said http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012862.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo!
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In a message dated 9/4/05 6:51:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, a moment's reflection should tell youthat, given they knew how many people there werewithout transportation, and that they *did* haveplans to deal with the problem, it isn't verylikely that there were better solutions of the kindyou suggest that they hadn't already consideredand rejected for good reason, or that were clearlynot feasible in the first place.They know what their resources are and what'spossible and what isn't; you don't. You know it works both ways. Nobody, outside of the most inner loops, knows exactly what is going on but there sure are a lot of questions for everybody to ask of everybody in Government from local to state to federal. Nobody knows how factual any of the reporting is or if anybody that makes a report has all of the facts and a truly clear perception of the reality of everything that is going on. What I have found particularly disturbing in this whole tragedy is the immediate politicization from day one. And the intense personal attacks while people are trying to deal with a difficult and emotional situation. Everyone has been trying to play a game of gotcha. As Michael Chertoff said and Bush said from the first day, they are concentrating their efforts on getting the job done and there will be plenty of time to analyze what went well and what went wrong and where to affix blame later on once the job is complete. Now I know you well enough Judy to takethat as dodging tough questions but it's not. It's keeping focus on doing the job. No doubt there will be investigations down the road to get any and all answers. Even Clinton's former FEMA directorindicated that you just don't anticipate all that hashappened and becompletely prepared for it as is in this case. In short, nobody likes what we are seeing played out before our eyes, but then nobody has all of the facts yet either. And as Jesse Jackson says, be careful when you point a finger because there are three more pointing back at you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 7:20:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves.News flash to Judy:They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Not if they're not union. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Yahoo! News Photo_ (http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/050901/480/flpc21109012015) Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. News flash to Judy: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. OK, Shemp, that gets the prize as the most idiotic remark you have ever made (at least that I've heard or read). Plus which: ...The City was acutely aware of the problem of evacing the poor and others who couldn't get out, but didn't have the resources to do it. Even with the claims on Drudge, the reality is the City didn't have 200 bus drivers to volunteer to drive them. The young man who comandeered a school bus was great, but imagine just grabbing two hundred drivers and sending them in heavy traffic to evacuate-- the number of problems involving accidents would only make a difficult evacuation harder. City resources were focused on securing the city and moving people within the city to shelters including the Superdome. An action that saved innumerable lives. During Ivan, only 1200 people showed up at the Superdome. Since Ivan, the City improved its plan and had city buses run routes for people without cars to places where other special bus routes ran people to shelters. This time, 20-30,000 people got there. If there was a mistake, it was not designating another shelter of last resort-- such as the Convention Center (this would have helped additionally because there would have been some real security planned). The State and the City were acutely aware that a mandatory evacuation would still leave at least 100,000 behind. There simply is no infrastructure to solve that problem anywhere in the nation. Knowing that, the City was working to make the Superdome retrofitted in its rehab to provide exactly the kind of improvements that would have alleviated the suffering--power sources and sewage modifications. http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012870.html Evacuation Preparedness Times-Picayune (New Orleans) July 24, 2005 Sunday In storm, N.O. wants no one left behind; Number of people without cars makes evacuation difficult By Bruce Nolan, Staff writer City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own. In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation. In the video, made by the anti-poverty agency Total Community Action, they urge those people to make arrangements now by finding their own ways to leave the city in the event of an evacuation. You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you, Wilkins said in an interview. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation Their message will be distributed on hundreds of DVDs across the city. The DVDs' basic get-out-of-town message applies to all audiences, but the it is especially targeted to scores of churches and other groups heavily concentrated in Central City and other vulnerable, low-income neighborhoods, said the Rev. Marshall Truehill, head of Total Community Action. The primary message is that each person is primarily responsible for themselves, for their own family and friends, Truehill said. In addition to the plea from Nagin, Thomas and Wilkins, video exhortations to make evacuation plans come from representatives of State Police and the National Weather Service, and from local officials such as Sen. Ann Duplessis, D-New Orleans, and State Rep. Arthur Morrell, D-New Orleans, said Allan Katz, whose advertising company is coordinating officials' scripts and doing the recording. The speakers explain what to bring and what to leave behind. They advise viewers to bring personal medicines and critical legal documents, and tell them how to create a family communication plan. Even a representative of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals weighs in with a message on how to make the best arrangements for pets left behind. Production likely will continue through August.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 5:34:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WIthout enough people to make 100's of thousands of arrests (in the case of New Orleans), how do you enforce a mandatory evacuation? I don't think it would have been a matter of arresting people who refused to leave, but they could have announced emergency evacuation plans on Radio and TV starting Friday night and started picking up those that WANTED to leave at designated places and take them to shelters north and west of the city. All hey needed to do was get them out of NO and the path of the Katrina. Governor Blanco could have issued orders to open all public buildings including schools for evacuees. They had from Friday evening till Sunday morning at 6 am to move as many as wanted to go. We saw no such effort. I don't know if such effort was madeand neither do you. How couldyou? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Yahoo! News Photo_ (http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/050901/480/flpc21109012015) Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. News flash to Judy: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Are you a school bus driver? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 6:51:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, a moment's reflection should tell you that, given they knew how many people there were without transportation, and that they *did* have plans to deal with the problem, it isn't very likely that there were better solutions of the kind you suggest that they hadn't already considered and rejected for good reason, or that were clearly not feasible in the first place. They know what their resources are and what's possible and what isn't; you don't. You know it works both ways. Nobody, outside of the most inner loops, knows exactly what is going on but there sure are a lot of questions for everybody to ask of everybody in Government from local to state to federal. Nobody knows how factual any of the reporting is or if anybody that makes a report has all of the facts and a truly clear perception of the reality of everything that is going on. What I have found particularly disturbing in this whole tragedy is the immediate politicization from day one. And the intense personal attacks while people are trying to deal with a difficult and emotional situation. Everyone has been trying to play a game of gotcha. As Michael Chertoff said and Bush said from the first day, they are concentrating their efforts on getting the job done and there will be plenty of time to analyze what went well and what went wrong and where to affix blame later on once the job is complete. Now I know you well enough Judy to take that as dodging tough questions but it's not. It's keeping focus on doing the job. No doubt there will be investigations down the road to get any and all answers. You're missing the point, again. The initial criticisms weren't primarily about blame for what happened but for Bush's unthinkably callous public response. That isn't something you go back and analyze later; it was mainly symbolic, but the insensitivity was intolerable. And again, it was conservatives criticizing him as well as liberals. Then when the situation in New Orleans became more and more evident, the criticism was primarily about prodding the administration to act more quickly *right then* because people were dying from the lack of response. That's not political either, obviously. Now that the worst of the emergency seems to be past, the criticism has primarily to do with getting rid of the incompetents like Chertoff and Brown to ensure the rest of the relief effort isn't bungled-- or, God forbid, in case of another disaster coming on the heels of this one. So *that* isn't political. The *political* criticism, on this forum, at least, has come primarily from the right-wingers who are trying to defend the administration and can think of no way to do so except by trying to shift the blame onto the Democratic governor and mayor. That's not to say there haven't been some who have been making the case for Bush being responsible for the levees not being fixed and so on--that kind of thing *can* wait. If we could feel confident that the administration would engage in some honest self-examination and allow its actions to be investigated thoroughly once the crisis period was over, folks might be more willing to wait. But we know from long experience that this administration has never been willing to take responsibility for its mistakes, nor even allow them to be investigated properly. Even Clinton's former FEMA director indicated that you just don't anticipate all that has happened and be completely prepared for it as is in this case. In short, nobody likes what we are seeing played out before our eyes, but then nobody has all of the facts yet either. And as Jesse Jackson says, be careful when you point a finger because there are three more pointing back at you. Yes, I'm sure the right-wingers will eventually find a way to point fingers at Clinton and Witt, and probably Jackson as well for good measure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/05 7:20:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. News flash to Judy: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Not if they're not union. snicker It isn't even that. Stretch yourself, MDixon and Shemp. There are two major, obvious exceptions to the rule that ANYONE can drive the buses. I'll give you one for free: Only folks who know how to drive can drive the buses. Now, what's the second one? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why did'tn the mayor evacuate the poor with these NO ...
Two more points about the purported politicization of the Katrina disaster: First, if you're going to object to politicization, you ought to object to the politicization coming from the Bush administration. There have been a number of solid accounts of how they've been attempting to shift the blame to Blanco and Nagin, and the Republican talking points are showing a very clear trend to do precisely that. Second, another aspect of the current criticism is that DHA and FEMA officials are being rather blatantly untruthful in their public statements. Is it political to criticize an official for lying to the public about a current emergency? For example, there's this from Editor and Publisher: Hurricane Center Director Tells Paper He Briefed Brown and Chertoff on Danger of Severe Flooding By EP Staff Published: September 04, 2005 6:55 PM ET NEW YORK Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, told the Times-Picayune Sunday afternoon that officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Department of Homeland Security, including FEMA Director Mike Brown and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, listened in on electronic briefings given by his staff in advance of Hurricane Katrina slamming Louisiana and Mississippi--and were advised of the storm's potential deadly effects. Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings, the paper reported. He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore. We were briefing them way before landfall, Mayfield said. It's not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped. Chertoff told reporters Saturday that government officials had not expected the damaging combination of a powerful hurricane levee breaches that flooded New Orleans. Brown, Mayfield said, is a dedicated public servant. The question is why he couldn't shake loose the resources that were needed,'' he said. Brown and Chertoff could not be reached for comment on Sunday afternoon. In the days before Katrina hit, Mayfield said, his staff also briefed FEMA, which under the Department of Homeland Security, at FEMA's headquarters in Washington, D.C., its Region 6 office in Dallas and the Region 4 office in Atlanta about the potential effects of the storm. He said all of those briefings were logged in the hurricane center's records. http://tinyurl.com/b4zm3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
