Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
still embedded as fealty test. This basically means your at war with the United States of America you have 24 hours to surrender.
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Thank you for your responses. The information and insights that you provide are helpful. Regarding the administration's areas of concerns, such as non-MV Yagyas, I assume these are present tense concerns -- and not concerns for some minor things in the past. I understand the admin concerns if an applicant is currently sponsoring yagyas, or actively practicing or promoting some other self-development methods. However, I assume that it is not an issue if one is not currently (nor for many years) involved with any other program or practices. For example, if this is the policy, then some type of limited yagya sponsorship 20 years ago would be irrelevant to participating in ILC and/or Dome programs. I know you don't speak for the course administration, but any insights that you may have on the experience of contemporary IAA and ILC applicants would be helpful. I do notice that the ILC application appears distinctly gentle and considerate. I assume this reflects a newer, kinder and mature approach compared to some more rigid admin guidelines and policies that may have existed in the past. For example, the application asks, "Please let us know the names of the two TM Teachers you are most well known to, so we can give one or both of them a call. ... This is not a compulsory question. If you don't know two TM Teachers, that's okay. ..." Thanks.
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Whatever yagya.. If you want to come to Fairfield for respite or to ‘feel the vibe’ just simply apply. It is pretty straight forward for many. RajaWilliam here below or some people may feel supporting various yagya programs is even irrelevant as to whether someone should be in membership meditating in the group but there is a small ownership group inside who have their own creed about this that has become religious-like test amongst themselves as to what Maharishi may have said at some point and whether that can be changed. Of course yagya and other divisions of M Vedic Science are not relevant to most meditators who come simply as practitioners. All along people have practically used civil disobedience to be in the communal collective of the Domes as practitioners when it comes to what creedal religious-like rigidities were embedded in the membership guidelines over private life.. The powers that be took a chance to change this recently last month, down to some short simple paragraphs of guideline as to whether someone simply has learned ™ and the ™-sidhis and would simply practice the program as taught but they did not take the simple path and have kept to their creedlism with a couple or three non-competes like the non-Maharishi yagya still embedded as fealty test. Go ahead and apply. They want meditator program numbers in the Domes now and they are not intending to be as confrontational as they once were with the membership. The Domes are spiritual wonders of the world as places to meditate. Come and be in them if you can. Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa, .D # rajawilliamsmith writes: The yagaya program now is not set up to Maharishi's teachings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : S, Actually you are the kind of person that is hoped for to have come back. Come regardless of what you may have heard of the past administrative state of culture here. The Domes are fabulous places to meditate even so. There is a great and deep spiritual practice community here. The administrative staff want to hear that if you join the group here you’ll practice in the Dome ™ and the ™-Sidhis program as instructed. That is fair enough as far as their facilitating it. The assembly office staff has nothing to do with editing the guidelines or policy so there is no point contending with them otherwise about the state of the guidelines. The guidelines have been some remediated down now from how restrictive they once were over people’s private lives, as they were written and cobbled before. Now they are down to three restricting areas: people who particularly have studied with and practice Art of Living practices, people who promote or may be too involved with other spiritual teachers, and people who promote the use of non-Maharishi yagya. The main interest other than in those particular paragraphs of the guidelines is that the intent is in facilitating the program for people practicing ™ and the ™ Sidhis program simply as instructed, uncorrupted by other practices. So it is. With your being out of affiliation for so long, in applying they may wonder where you have been(?) And, of course, keeping even these remaining non-compete clauses keeps an ‘administrative’ staff busy adjudicating membership that way. Mostly they are nice and good people doing a job. Instead of so much work to separate people from the Dome program the more recent interest is in getting people into the Domes to meditate doing program. You were asking about the program, it is the same basic program you got before adjusted for particulars of scheduling to what has been the larger assembly of folks that was here after 2006. Apply online ahead of time through their web page and when you come to pick up your badge there will be a short orientation as to specifics now. It is quite flexible actually. Kind Regards from Fairfield, Iowa, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug H wrote: "guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. " What are the current guidelines for Dome Group meditation membership? What promises are being referred to, above, "made promises" ? What practices are considered "competing systems to MVS" ? Is there a timeframe for this? That is not practiced for x years? The yagaya program now is not set up to Maharishi's teachings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
The yagaya program now is not set up to Maharishi's teachings.
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
S, Actually you are the kind of person that is hoped for to have come back. Come regardless of what you may have heard of the past administrative state of culture here. The Domes are fabulous places to meditate even so. There is a great and deep spiritual practice community here. The administrative staff want to hear that if you join the group here you’ll practice in the Dome ™ and the ™-Sidhis program as instructed. That is fair enough as far as their facilitating it. The assembly office staff has nothing to do with editing the guidelines or policy so there is no point contending with them otherwise about the state of the guidelines. The guidelines have been some remediated down now from how restrictive they once were over people’s private lives, as they were written and cobbled before. Now they are down to three restricting areas: people who particularly have studied with and practice Art of Living practices, people who promote or may be too involved with other spiritual teachers, and people who promote the use of non-Maharishi yagya. The main interest other than in those particular paragraphs of the guidelines is that the intent is in facilitating the program for people practicing ™ and the ™ Sidhis program simply as instructed, uncorrupted by other practices. So it is. With your being out of affiliation for so long, in applying they may wonder where you have been(?) And, of course, keeping even these remaining non-compete clauses keeps an ‘administrative’ staff busy adjudicating membership that way. Mostly they are nice and good people doing a job. Instead of so much work to separate people from the Dome program the more recent interest is in getting people into the Domes to meditate doing program. You were asking about the program, it is the same basic program you got before adjusted for particulars of scheduling to what has been the larger assembly of folks that was here after 2006. Apply online ahead of time through their web page and when you come to pick up your badge there will be a short orientation as to specifics now. It is quite flexible actually. Kind Regards from Fairfield, Iowa, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug H wrote: "guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. " What are the current guidelines for Dome Group meditation membership? What promises are being referred to, above, "made promises" ? What practices are considered "competing systems to MVS" ? Is there a timeframe for this? That is not practiced for x years?
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Doug H wrote: "guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. " What are the current guidelines for Dome Group meditation membership? What promises are being referred to, above, "made promises" ? What practices are considered "competing systems to MVS" ? Is there a timeframe for this? That is not practiced for x years?
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Yes, body counting. Someone’s separate e-mail accounts.. In the meantime, the movement haS RUN OFF 30,000 PEOPLE FROM HERE I Have seen with my own eyes. Hopefully Hagelin, the best guy we’ve Had yet, will pull this out of the fire. He’s trying, and is sincere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : As you must be aware, the dead weight of ideology is measured in bodies. On Friday, August 18, 2017, 2:14:07 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The critical need now is for numbers in proximity meditating. This need in critical mass needs movement right now not the dead weight of rigid ideology standing still in the way. Our status quo ‘administrative state’ of the Dome numbers evidently is not working for reasons unacceptable by standard of what good could come of the group meditating. In the middle of tru-believer status quo is their own moral feeling that anything that came from Maharishi should not be changed and also a feeling that some people ‘made promises’ and should be punished or coerced by holding up their Dome badge status over them. These are moral rationales that like the grant-monitoring problem are unacceptable to the accord of natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A conservative view of the numbers problem is saying: “Materialism and ill-discipline on the part of some people in the meditating community is a likely part of this problem. By all the science one could infer the buck of all the problems is with all those spiritual loafers down in cafes sitting around when they could be in the collective of the Domes meditating.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About the collapse of numbers in the Domes meditating, it would be extremely politic right now to cut through this. Make a separate policy document for admission in to the Dome group program for old movement meditators and initiators. Not with crafting exemptions but directly cut the guidelines down to essential of what it takes to administer a residence course or retreat. See that people have learned ™ and the ™-sidhis, that they don’t ‘work against’ the movement or would be otherwise disruptive, and simply request that they only practice ™ and the ™-Sidhis in the Domes. Done. Short. Publish them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges.
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
As you must be aware, the dead weight of ideology is measured in bodies. On Friday, August 18, 2017, 2:14:07 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]wrote: The critical need now is for numbers in proximity meditating. This need in critical mass needs movement right now not the dead weight of rigid ideology standing still in the way. Our status quo ‘administrative state’ of the Dome numbers evidently is not working for reasons unacceptable by standard of what good could come of the group meditating. In the middle of tru-believer status quo is their own moral feeling that anything that came from Maharishi should not be changed and also a feeling that some people ‘made promises’ and should be punished or coerced by holding up their Dome badge status over them. These are moral rationales that like the grant-monitoring problem are unacceptable to the accord of natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A conservative view of the numbers problem is saying: “Materialism and ill-discipline on the part of some people in the meditating community is a likely part of this problem. By all the science one could infer the buck of all the problems is with all those spiritual loafers down in cafes sitting around when they could be in the collective of the Domes meditating.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About the collapse of numbers in the Domes meditating, it would be extremely politic right now to cut through this. Make a separate policy document for admission in to the Dome group program for old movement meditators and initiators. Not with crafting exemptions but directly cut the guidelines down to essential of what it takes to administer a residence course or retreat. See that people have learned ™ and the ™-sidhis, that they don’t ‘work against’ the movement or would be otherwise disruptive, and simply request that they only practice ™ and the ™-Sidhis in the Domes. Done. Short. Publish them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
The critical need now is for numbers in proximity meditating. This need in critical mass needs movement right now not the dead weight of rigid ideology standing still in the way. Our status quo ‘administrative state’ of the Dome numbers evidently is not working for reasons unacceptable by standard of what good could come of the group meditating. In the middle of tru-believer status quo is their own moral feeling that anything that came from Maharishi should not be changed and also a feeling that some people ‘made promises’ and should be punished or coerced by holding up their Dome badge status over them. These are moral rationales that like the grant-monitoring problem are unacceptable to the accord of natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : A conservative view of the numbers problem is saying: “Materialism and ill-discipline on the part of some people in the meditating community is a likely part of this problem. By all the science one could infer the buck of all the problems is with all those spiritual loafers down in cafes sitting around when they could be in the collective of the Domes meditating.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About the collapse of numbers in the Domes meditating, it would be extremely politic right now to cut through this. Make a separate policy document for admission in to the Dome group program for old movement meditators and initiators. Not with crafting exemptions but directly cut the guidelines down to essential of what it takes to administer a residence course or retreat. See that people have learned ™ and the ™-sidhis, that they don’t ‘work against’ the movement or would be otherwise disruptive, and simply request that they only practice ™ and the ™-Sidhis in the Domes. Done. Short. Publish them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
A conservative view of the numbers problem is saying: “Materialism and ill-discipline on the part of some people in the meditating community is a likely part of this problem. By all the science one could infer the buck of all the problems is with all those spiritual loafers down in cafes sitting around when they could be in the collective of the Domes meditating.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : About the collapse of numbers in the Domes meditating, it would be extremely politic right now to cut through this. Make a separate policy document for admission in to the Dome group program for old movement meditators and initiators. Not with crafting exemptions but directly cut the guidelines down to essential of what it takes to administer a residence course or retreat. See that people have learned ™ and the ™-sidhis, that they don’t ‘work against’ the movement or would be otherwise disruptive, and simply request that they only practice ™ and the ™-Sidhis in the Domes. Done. Short. Publish them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
About the collapse of numbers in the Domes meditating, it would be extremely politic right now to cut through this. Make a separate policy document for admission in to the Dome group program for old movement meditators and initiators. Not with crafting exemptions but directly cut the guidelines down to essential of what it takes to administer a residence course or retreat. See that people have learned ™ and the ™-sidhis, that they don’t ‘work against’ the movement or would be otherwise disruptive, and simply request that they only practice ™ and the ™-Sidhis in the Domes. Done. Short. Publish them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline
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The real problem is direct experience is not a belief. A belief is an interpretation of experience, it is not the experience itself. Spiritual awakening in not about belief in what reality is, but a more direct apprehension of reality, outside the confines of the mind's discourse. The problem arises when experience must be expressed verbally. This creates a secondary reality in the mind and when the mind is ignorant, it takes that description as real. When this happens enough times, you have the situation found in most spiritual movements where activity is performed entirely on the basis of verbal interpretations, and as most persons in spiritual movements tend to be seekers, not yet having found what they are looking for, most actions in the organizations are fractured along the lines of that ignorance. You have to tread carefully among such people. If the built up inertia is just too heavy, it might be best to take your practice elsewhere and bypass them rather than try to "fix" the situation. If you really want enlightenment (which is highest first), seek that first and foremost with diligence. Remember you have to discover what it really is, what other people say to you cannot replace your good judgement. If you do not develop good judgement and self reliance, you will be at their mercy, and they usually have none. If your world of experience is not peaceful first, you are relying on a false promise of peace. Being with like-minded seekers is helpful at times, but not necessary. Guru Dev spent most of his time away from others. That came out rather well for him. The enlightened are not true believers. They are done with that. If the ship that is guiding you is not working out, maybe you are just stuck with a bunch of blind believers. Abandon ship. No need to worry, the ocean is all around for all to experience, there is no lack, nothing is hidden. On Sunday, August 13, 2017, 10:26:06 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]wrote: It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
you are not acting with a minimum level of communication skill here, you are just telling people, you are bad and wrong you should shut up and do what I think is right.
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and the having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Were these examples (e.g., people doing their own jyotish) brought up in the Phoenix Rising meeting? Rick Archer Buddha at the Gas Pump https://batgap.com https://batgap.com r...@batgap.com mailto:r...@batgap.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary leadership right now out in front. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Were these examples (e.g., people doing their own jyotish) brought up in the Phoenix Rising meeting? Rick Archer Buddha at the Gas Pump https://batgap.com https://batgap.com r...@batgap.com mailto:r...@batgap.com Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id602578156 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome July 2017, no change in the ‘non-compete’ policies for Dome admission/membership. Men’s Dome number was 193 a recent morning and 196 evening. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : E-mail responding to “Willing people not allowed in the Dome”.. You know one of the very
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Dr. Hagelin is one of the few people who in legality actually ‘owns’ ™ by virtue of being one of a very few Trustees at the top of the corporations that are ™ now This becomes critical for critical mass here. Ask him now to use every ounce of fiduciary responsibility and trust that he has to right this right now by joining a coalition of the other real trustee- scientists who are at the top and dictate a proper policy according to the evidence base of all that is science. It is time to push the faith-based ashram-ites out of the way of meditation program practice and lead past them. Everything is at stake here right now. Jai Guru Dev, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Were these examples (e.g., people doing their own jyotish) brought up in the Phoenix Rising meeting? Rick Archer Buddha at the Gas Pump https://batgap.com https://batgap.com r...@batgap.com mailto:r...@batgap.com Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id602578156 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome July 2017, no change in the ‘non-compete’ policies for Dome admission/membership. Men’s Dome number was 193 a recent morning and 196 evening. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : E-mail responding to “Willing people not allowed in the Dome”.. You know one of the very biggest issues now? That when someone is mistreated, they will not put it in an email. The admins and leadership needs emails now, for good reason. Otherwise it won't be believed, they have to have something in hand. It is not just fear of losing badge, it takes strength to deal with things like this, to write that email. I have been told dozens of times, 'No I won't send an email, I'm just going to let it go.'
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Only 180 in the Dome meditating the other morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Were these examples (e.g., people doing their own jyotish) brought up in the Phoenix Rising meeting? Rick Archer Buddha at the Gas Pump https://batgap.com https://batgap.com r...@batgap.com mailto:r...@batgap.com Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id602578156 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome July 2017, no change in the ‘non-compete’ policies for Dome admission/membership. Men’s Dome number was 193 a recent morning and 196 evening. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : E-mail responding to “Willing people not allowed in the Dome”.. You know one of the very biggest issues now? That when someone is mistreated, they will not put it in an email. The admins and leadership needs emails now, for good reason. Otherwise it won't be believed, they have to have something in hand. It is not just fear of losing badge, it takes strength to deal with things like this, to write that email. I have been told dozens of times, 'No I won't send an email, I'm just going to let it go.' Then what can I do? People have to be strong enough to lead the leaders. Contact John Hagelin directly. At: Global Union of Scientists for Peace 2000 Capital Boulevard Fairfield, IA 52556 secretar...@gusp.org mailto:secretar...@gusp.org +1-888-600-GUSP ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Those guidelines of the ‘administrative state’ up there on campus and those Rajas who defend them have turned too many capable meditators out from the Domes. In the span of a few days after the communal meeting at Phoenix Rising I spoke separately with two long long time TM movement meditators who were
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Between people dying and others getting kicked out, the SOBs who run the place are getting exactly what they deserve. Not to mention the hundreds more who have observed all that and summarily lost interest. Sal On Aug 1, 2017, at 7:41 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]wrote: 189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Were these examples (e.g., people doing their own jyotish) brought up in the Phoenix Rising meeting? Rick Archer Buddha at the Gas Pump https://batgap.com r...@batgap.com Podcast From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome July 2017, no change in the ‘non-compete’ policies for Dome admission/membership. Men’s Dome number was 193 a recent morning and 196 evening. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : E-mail responding to “Willing people not allowed in the Dome”.. You know one of the very biggest issues now? That when someone is mistreated, they will not put it in an email. The admins and leadership needs emails now, for good reason. Otherwise it won't be believed, they have to have something in hand. It is not just fear of losing badge, it takes strength to deal with things like this, to write that email. I have been told dozens of times, 'No I won't send an email, I'm just going to let it go.' Then what can I do? People have to be strong enough to lead the leaders. Contact John Hagelin directly. At: Global Union of Scientists for Peace 2000 Capital Boulevard Fairfield, IA 52556 secretar...@gusp.org +1-888-600-GUSP ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Those guidelines of the ‘administrative state’ up there on campus and those Rajas who defend them have turned too many capable meditators out from the Domes. In the span of a few days after the communal meeting at Phoenix Rising I spoke separately with two long long time TM movement meditators who were administratively excluded from the Dome meditation for practicing jyotish astrology. Both exclaimed they would be there meditating if the
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
189 yesterday morning and 208 the evening before in the men's Dome meditating. Women's Dome usually is less than the Men's tally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Were these examples (e.g., people doing their own jyotish) brought up in the Phoenix Rising meeting? Rick Archer Buddha at the Gas Pump https://batgap.com https://batgap.com r...@batgap.com mailto:r...@batgap.com Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id602578156 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome July 2017, no change in the ‘non-compete’ policies for Dome admission/membership. Men’s Dome number was 193 a recent morning and 196 evening. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : E-mail responding to “Willing people not allowed in the Dome”.. You know one of the very biggest issues now? That when someone is mistreated, they will not put it in an email. The admins and leadership needs emails now, for good reason. Otherwise it won't be believed, they have to have something in hand. It is not just fear of losing badge, it takes strength to deal with things like this, to write that email. I have been told dozens of times, 'No I won't send an email, I'm just going to let it go.' Then what can I do? People have to be strong enough to lead the leaders. Contact John Hagelin directly. At: Global Union of Scientists for Peace 2000 Capital Boulevard Fairfield, IA 52556 secretar...@gusp.org mailto:secretar...@gusp.org +1-888-600-GUSP ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Those guidelines of the ‘administrative state’ up there on campus and those Rajas who defend them have turned too many capable meditators out from the Domes. In the span of a few days after the communal meeting at Phoenix Rising I spoke separately with two long long time TM movement meditators who were administratively excluded from the Dome meditation for practicing jyotish astrology. Both exclaimed they would be there meditating if
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
The divide asserting “They made promises” to keep people out of the Domes ‘is a made up maya’ about fealty in some conservative TB'er’s minds. The TM tru-believers assert their discipline over others that: “They made promises..” and want a punitive retributive discipline over old meditators using membership at the Dome meditation. A common response In the old meditating movement community.. “..The only promise I made was to go teach people to meditate as I learned to teach meditation from Maharishi and to not let money get in the way of anyone learning to meditate.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Were these examples (e.g., people doing their own jyotish) brought up in the Phoenix Rising meeting? Rick Archer Buddha at the Gas Pump https://batgap.com https://batgap.com r...@batgap.com mailto:r...@batgap.com Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id602578156 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome July 2017, no change in the ‘non-compete’ policies for Dome admission/membership. Men’s Dome number was 193 a recent morning and 196 evening. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : E-mail responding to “Willing people not allowed in the Dome”.. You know one of the very biggest issues now? That when someone is mistreated, they will not put it in an email. The admins and leadership needs emails now, for good reason. Otherwise it won't be believed, they have to have something in hand. It is not just fear of losing badge, it takes strength to deal with things like this, to write that email. I have been told dozens of times, 'No I won't send an email, I'm just going to let it go.' Then what can I do? People have to be strong enough to lead the leaders. Contact John Hagelin directly. At: Global Union of Scientists for Peace 2000 Capital Boulevard Fairfield, IA 52556 secretar...@gusp.org mailto:secretar...@gusp.org +1-888-600-GUSP ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Those guidelines of the ‘administrative state’ up there on campus and those Rajas who defend them have turned too many capable meditators out from the Domes. In the span of a few days after the communal meeting at Phoenix Rising I spoke separately with two long long time TM movement meditators who were administratively excluded from the Dome meditation for practicing jyotish astrology. Both exclaimed they would be there meditating if the guidelines were changed to omit the ‘non-compete clauses’ about people who practice jyotish, those guidelines that have nothing to do with their practice of ™. A couple weeks ago there was a former
RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Surveying: "In the dome they got discouraged. The cohesion was destroyed by endless bar raising to the dome. People were made to feel bad." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : People spoke to different aspects in the meditating community meeting at Phoenix Rising. Some people in the line at the open microphone spoke to the collapse of the Dome numbers in their experience saying things of regret that 2,000 meditating together is way more than 200 to the effect. Those particular policy problems related to the Dome numbers around the guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. Work in process. Also it seems there is a cultural disavowing inside that the ‘guidelines’ for being in the group meditation are neither punitive or disciplinary. This needs a lot more conversation between factions. Leadership have not acknowledged that those being either studied and practiced in any astrology systems has anything to do with how people practice meditation. That whole non-compete clause in the guidelines could stand to just be omitted. Invite those few who it effects freely back in to membership. That would be an important telegraph. There is another preliminary working meeting tomorrow coming up on how to go forward with a communal process. 'Work in progress.' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Were these examples (e.g., people doing their own jyotish) brought up in the Phoenix Rising meeting? Rick Archer Buddha at the Gas Pump https://batgap.com https://batgap.com r...@batgap.com mailto:r...@batgap.com Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id602578156 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome July 2017, no change in the ‘non-compete’ policies for Dome admission/membership. Men’s Dome number was 193 a recent morning and 196 evening. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : E-mail responding to “Willing people not allowed in the Dome”.. You know one of the very biggest issues now? That when someone is mistreated, they will not put it in an email. The admins and leadership needs emails now, for good reason. Otherwise it won't be believed, they have to have something in hand. It is not just fear of losing badge, it takes strength to deal with things like this, to write that email. I have been told dozens of times, 'No I won't send an email, I'm just going to let it go.' Then what can I do? People have to be strong enough to lead the leaders. Contact John Hagelin directly. At: Global Union of Scientists for Peace 2000 Capital Boulevard Fairfield, IA 52556 secretar...@gusp.org mailto:secretar...@gusp.org +1-888-600-GUSP ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Those guidelines of the ‘administrative state’ up there on campus and those Rajas who defend them have turned too many capable meditators out from the Domes. In the span of a few days after the communal meeting at Phoenix Rising I spoke separately with two long long time TM movement meditators who were administratively excluded from the Dome meditation for practicing jyotish astrology. Both exclaimed they would be there meditating if the guidelines were changed to omit the ‘non-compete clauses’ about people who practice jyotish, those guidelines that have nothing to do with their practice of ™. A couple weeks ago there was a former MIU student back visiting who applying for a Dome badge the course office did an internet search about the person’s life, judged and told this person they would never be allowed in the Dome. Never? We need membership here and these people go out into the world and tell others what, about being excluded? The narrative needs to change now. It is not enough to claim that things have changed when they have not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Maharishi once said that there will come a time when I’ll tell you to meditate on your own,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome:
“Where two or more are gathered..” By experience and now by what modern science does show, a having of numbers meditating and their proximity does matter both for the individual meditating and collectively. Quite evidently this particular group was ‘colored’ in its way by the ‘administrative state’ of it. That becomes part of the narrative around this. The transformational capacity of the Dome group meditation (Meissner-like Effect) was palpable in the days of 1000 and 2000 meditating together. Now even with just 200 or so in each Dome gathered to meditate the Dome meditation remains a powerful place to meditate. There yet is a lot of consciousness in the Domes in the meditators sitting up there meditating. It quite evidently still functions as a special place that way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,wrote : That could be a solution, but as the number of "Sidhas" practicing in the Domes exceed the number required for coherence in Fairfield, why did that not provide the basis for continued success in Fairfield? If we take Kaplan's letter over a decade ago at face value, it would seem Maharishi did not even really know if this coherence effect would really work, as it seemed to be based on a rather loose association of a statement by Patanjali with a coherence effect in physics. The maximum numbers were in the 1980s and everything has declined, including the state of the world from that point on, whereas if the theory were true, it should have improved, especially in Fairfield, more people would have come into the program and the world would have gotten better. In spite of the movement's confirmation-bias tainted research, Fairfield, the star of the movement, seems to indicate the Maharishi effect does not exist in the form and extent that it is touted to be. The point of meditation is it is an aid to enlightenment. Everything else that has been bundled with it in the movement has been an effort to make it attractive to people who probably would not otherwise meditate for the real reason. It is an appeal to personal success and well-being, which is fine for ego-centric individuals, but enlightenment is to discover that everything is consciousness, and consciousness when unbounded is not personal. Meditating for "World Peace" sounds great, and maybe that idea will make you feel good as an individual, but World Peace has not happened, and seems less likely now than previously. Perhaps the Bhagavad-Gita is correct, that life is an unending battleground and that you need to achieve peace on the basis of your practice, but the battle continues unending, without letup, and you gain peace even amid ceaseless turmoil. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield’s Crisis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome: The ending of the “grant” program funding. Old meditators cut loose as the ™ movement readies to outsource US Meditation to India. The international ™ movement is announcing it will shift its funding resources away from propping the Dome group meditation in Iowa over to pundit programs in India. Winding down the “Grant” program.. Financial support for the Invincible America Assembly had been coming in substantial amounts donated monthly by Drs. Howard and Mickey Settle. About two years ago, the International ™ Movement took over most, then all, of the IAA Grant funding, and has now announced it will step down its contributions beginning in September, to 22% of the $90,000/month it has been giving, by this coming November. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The movement should get out of the business of monitoring people. FW: Myth: People dropped off or were cut from the Grant because there was not enough funds, due to Howard Settle's business situation. Truth: Not one person was dropped from the Grant due to reduction in Settle funds in 2013. Every single person who re-applied went back on the Grant. Julie Anne, who handled the Grant checks, told me this herself. But the 100 person drop overnight, and 350 or more after that reduction, was primarilybecause of dislike or disapproval of the 'monitoring' system, and, the way that Bryan Lee et al conducted the lengthy highly formal meeting to introduce the 'monitoring' system (I had warned him what 'monitoring' would do, and also what that type of meeting would do, but was disregarded). It crippled Movement family and community feeling, what was left of that. The reduction in attendance began ONE YEAR BEFORE the Settle funds were reduced. In August of 2012. Soon as 'monitoring' started, after 17 nearly consecutive higher months, our attendance fell through the floor, and went down 12 consecutive