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If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous income potential. In just two years I had become known for it in three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in China that was based in Taiwan. I had friends I loved. I had status as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese universities were competing with each other to snag me. My students loved me. I had a great income. And there was even a man who loved me. But when Homeland Security gave me that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America over all that I left behind in China. Do not presume you fathom who I am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no understanding at all. a Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
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what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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The establishment of the Department of Homeland Security changed some of the laws regarding who could and who could not be denied entry. Congressman Leach informed me in writing that it was now up to the discretion of the individual agent at the port of entry. Before the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, legal residents could not be denied entry if their papers were in order. Now, anyone can be disappeared, since Habeas Corpus is down the tubes, and whether or not you are a citizen has nothing to do with that. a shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? It has EVERYTHING to do with it. If you are a citizen, they cannot deny you entry at all (well, except in extremely dire circumstances which would probably require a rescinding of your citizenship which I think has only been done a dozen times or more in U.S. history). If you are NOT a citizen, the U.S. has no obligation -- constitutional or otherwise -- to provide you entry to U.S. territory. Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. A I was just curious. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
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On both occasion in which I chose the U.S. over Europe, I did not leave lucrative jobs behind. Wealth generally does not come from jobs. But when I decided to remain in the U.S. rather than return to my situation in China, I did leave a great deal behind. My decision was a matter of listening to the deepest aspects of myself that I can hear, and it required some courage to heed that voice since, as I said, all I had was two suitcases. Any story about why I chose to obey that voice would be just that, a story after the fact. And I could tell a bunch. No lack of stories in my life. Why I chose to remain in America is a complex question, and I doubt I could do it justice in an email. Moreover, I do not believe that causation is only in the past. The ultimate understanding of why I made that choice may lie in the future. I often do have accurate visions of the future, but, equally often, all I get is a You'll see. I did educational research in China. It was successful far beyond even my own expectations, and I expected a lot. a Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I know why you left those lucrative jobs in Europe and China.?? You have not explained why you settled down in America.?? What kind of research were you doing in China.?? Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:43 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? http://www.projectc ensored.org/ censored_ 2008/ Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses knowing much about. Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace. Edg --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we all have our obsessions. --- , Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that case it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country. But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous. But then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a job flipping burgers otherwise. Angela Mailander wrote: what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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I am a German citizen, but a legal resident alien in the U.S.---i.e. I've got a valid green card. When I got that green card, the U.S. promised me (and all others with the same legal status) that I would have the same rights and duties as any citizen except a) I could not run for public office, b) I could not work for the U.S. government, c) I could not vote in any election, and d) if I left the country, there were certain conditions I would have to fulfill if I wanted to return--which I did. The U.S. broke its promises to all green card holders with the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. A I was just curious. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Not only did they detain me, they didn't tell me why. They wouldn't let me call a friend who was waiting for me and they wouldn't let me use the bathroom. There were four agents. Two of them questioned me, the other two were sharp observers. One of the two who questioned me appeared to be of average intelligence. The fourth was pretending to be stupid, but I think he was probably brilliant. a Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that case it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country. But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous. But then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a job flipping burgers otherwise. Angela Mailander wrote: what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Jesus, some people are just soo very precious, aren't they? Today, I did not step on an ant. I could have stepped on the ant, but I didn't. I made the choice not to step on the ant. I choose to be a non ant stepper. I could have been an ant stepper, but I am not an ant stepper. This is what I am, a non ant stepper. What a load of self-absorbed bullsh*t! God, do people seem to commit suicide around you, Angela, because I certainly would! Jesus, where's a bridge, I gotta jump! Do you ever question the impact your self-absorbed rants have on anyone other than yourself. Hitler wants to know. --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fine rant, Edg, I enjoyed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/ Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses knowing much about. Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we all have our obsessions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I
