Reminds me of the story of the women who had been married three times
and was still at virgin.
The first time she married an 80 ish multimillionaire who took one
look at her body had a fatal heart attack and she inherited gazillions.
The next guy she married was because he was so so handsome and h
sandiego108 writes snipped:
I think what Maharishi says about the Bindu is that it contains all
that there is, within all that there is. So there is not a Bindu of
singularity inside of that which is not of the same essential nature
as the Bindu. Rather, from any point in all that there is, that
Barry writes snipped:
And again, you are assuming the "unenlightened"
model, which believes that "progress" *has* to be "made"
"towards" enlightenment. If you shift to another
equally accurate model and description of the process --
that everyone is always already enlightened and that the
*only*
Doug Hamilton writes snipped:
Good stories often turn on a presence of mind that has someone stand
resolved. Well told stories do tell what someone was thinking or
doing `walking in those shoes' and sometimes a good story just helps
you stand where someone stood for a moment.
TomT:
Susan Herzb
Judy writes: snipped
This model is designed to make people feel stupid
if they're still lacking the realization, as if
there were something wrong with them for not
having it--e.g., "what should have been obvious,"
"IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since
the day he was born."
It's the very
Another old posting from Tom T
>From Jean Klein Transmission of the Flame page 65 first para:
"...We have very often repeated that the seeker is the sought. An
object is a fraction; it appears in your wholeness, in your globality.
When you really come to the understanding that the seeker is the
so
Something I posted here a few years ago that seems revelant to this
discussion. TOm
Ignorance is nothing more that our ability to ignore that which we
already are. A great many spiritual people have some pretty
outstanding experiences, which cause them to move to deeper
understandings. The key he
One other thing to add to the stew from one of my long lost posts.Tom
Enlightenment is not an experience it is an understanding that comes
when the intellect makes the final discrimination. The understanding
does not happen in any mind. Self knows Self. The knowing of Self is
so strong as to leav
We lived in a house back East that was built in 1976 and no natural
gas hook ups were allowed when it was built. When I moved in we had a
60 gallon electric hot water heater that was very expensive to run.
Moved to 2 electric instant hot water heaters. Expensive as it
required two 220 X 40 amp line
Definition given by Chopra:
When one feels good for no reason. As a matter of fact one wonders how
one could feel good when all that stuff is in the fan and one still
feels good. TOm
The good news about the missing posts is that we only have to look at
half of the Judy/Barry Exchange. There is a bright side to all
happenings if we look deep enough.
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> The good news about the missing posts is that we only have to look at
> half of the Judy/Barry Exchange. There is a bright side to all
> happenings if we look deep enough.
bhairitu writes
Never click on them and you'll never have to re
New Morning writes snipped:
Or posit a universe where everything is "me". All action becomes
purely selfish. And yet surprisingly, some good may come of it.
TomT;
Welcome to my universe. Thanks
bwaytheatrediva writes:
Hi everyone. I'm 23 years old and I've lived in FF my whole life. I
have a huge amount of bitterness/hatred toward the TMO. It was shoved
down my throat from literally the moment I was born. MSAE was a kind
of hell that I wouldn't wish on anyone. A lot of the people I lov
Peter writes:
Ravi Shankar actually wanted to teach what he had
cognized while in silence (Sudashan Kriya) within the
structure of the TMO. MMY told him to teach on his
own. He didn't leave the TMO for over a year after
that. While I see Chopra and SSRS as very different
from one another (one gives
New Morning writes snipped:
Its sort of parallel the motivations of posters. One poster threaten
not to read my post if I did not change some style element. (Are there
any other benefits?). I tried to explain, that I had little interest
in who or how many read my posts. That is not the fruit of wri
Barry writes snipped:
What I couldn't agree with less is his sugges-
tion that the enlightened can do "anything they
want" and actually be enlightened. In my book
the enlightened still produce karma, and thus
still can create negative karma and suffer the
results of it if they perform negative acti
from the last chapter of Patanajali:
#29 One who has attained complete discrimination between the subtlest
level of mind and the Self has no higher knowledge to acquire. This is
dharma megha samadhi—the state of Unclouded Truth.
#30 It destroys the causes of suffering, and the bondage of action
d
Alex Stanley posts snipped:
FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real
TomT:
Attribution to Neale Donald Walsh, Conversations with God book 1 near
the end of that volume. Tom
Peter writes snipped:
Then bliss is like a dead dog in the road! Bliss is the darshan of
Brahman, but not Brahman.
TomT:
Yes but if the indicator is there then attention and appreciation of
what is going on in the moment surely leads to the understanding of
Brahman. Appreciation is the tool that l
Curtis writes snipped:
At first I sort of resisted using a mantra since I do experience a
similar state without one once I close my eyes and let silence
dominate my attention. I didn't want to link the experience to my
past practice to hopefully avoid some of the conceptual baggage. This
worked o
Off writes:
Unfortunately for you Turquoise you are a drunk.
I on the other handdo not drink.
TorquiseB writes:
Typical alcoholic behavior...denying that
you're an alcoholic.
Tom T:
One can be an alcoholic and not touch a drop. It is called a "Dry
Drunk". One has all the behavior and the t
Peterklutz writes: snipped
> Just out of curiosity, is there any corollary between how parts of
> Patanjali Yoga Sutras actually contain stuff to be practiced, and the
> content of the Brahma Sutras?
Tom T:
My experience is that at some point one realizes that the sutras of
Patanjali are really ar
Rick Archer writes:
For me it's not a TM issue. If TMers are pushing it, that's
coincidental. Or maybe they're fussy. I don't care. Train whistles are
not a life or death issue for me. I just think that silencing them
would be one more thing which would enhance the quality of life here.
Of course,
Large S Self Knows Large S Self. What else do you need to Know. Tom
Something I wrote a few years ago that seemed appropriate. Tom
Big question so lets chew it up in small pieces. Ignorance is nothing
more that our ability to ignore that which we already are. A great
many spiritual people have some pretty outstanding experiences, which
cause them to move to deepe
Another oldie but maybe goodie. Tom
Enlightenment is not an experience it is an understanding that comes
when the intellect makes the final discrimination. The understanding
does not happen in any mind. Self knows Self. The knowing of Self is
so strong as to leave no doubt about what has transpir
ANother quote to answer the question. Tom
>From Jean Klein Transmission of the Flame page 65 first para:
"...We have very often repeated that the seeker is the sought. An
object is a fraction; it appears in your wholeness, in your globality.
When you really come to the understanding that the seeke
Truth Comes at a Cost
by Adyashanti
If I was to translate the enlightened state down into human terms,
I'd have to describe it as contentment. Being nobody, going nowhere,
needing no reason to exist. To the ego, that probably sounds a little
boring and of course to an ego it is. But then again, th
Adyashanti quote:
"The state itself is reality, and it's won at the
hands of unreality. Simply put, ultimate truth comes
at a cost, and the cost is everything in you and
about you that is unreal. The end result is freedom,
happiness, peace, and no longer viewing life through
the veils of illusion."
Sal writes:
You can follow the ins and outs of this insanity, Peter? I gave up
long ago. If somebody actually tells the truth here or there,
(usually by accident) it seems like it's only because they're being
truthful about having originally lied.
TomT;
A paraprased Quote from Harry Truman
from todays over the Hedge cartoon strip
Abe Lincoln said:
When I do good I feel good,when I do bad I feel bad. Doing good is my
religion.
Tom T
douglasportee writessnipped:
It is an open invitation to mood make by offering people the chance
to get on a global telecast in front of Maharishi, during the 1st and
2nd rounds, and impress their friends, knowing that no one can ask
for any proof of the validity of their experiences.
Tom T:
>From todays cartoon strip pcnpixel
http://www.comics.com/wash/pcnpixel/index.html
Text on sign on top of mountain with seeker climbing the last few feet.
To Those Who Seek Enlightment;
The grass is indeed greener over the fence. I've moved one mountain
west. Guru Master.
Small person on large
from todays cartoon strip above named.
http://content.uclick.com/content/nq.html
Big sign if front of Guru's Cave states
Philosophical Semi-Retirement
Sign in front of Guru sitting on deer skin states
Rhetorical Questions Only
Barry writes snipped:
These people are AFRAID of the world, and they're trying to
make others equally AFRAID. The word in the Subject
line shouldn't be 'avert,' it should be 'aversion,'
and what they're averse to is living in the real world,
just like their teacher.
Tom T:
When I first arrived in
curtis writes snipped:
At first I thought I just disagreed with you
about what we can be confident about in our knowledge from subjective
experience, but then I felt like you were making a different
distinction concerning how we form our own beliefs. It is quite a
vigerous dance with a lots of sto
For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them
there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
are all of the mantras/advanced techniques. My meditation consists of
sitting in silence s
Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp
of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying
life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
TomT:
No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest o
Sparaig writes snipped:
I think he was using "DNA" as a metaphor. In a sense, the Vedas could
be seen as the DNA of the universe, and I think that MMY uses that
analogy at times: the entire blueprint of nature contained in the
ultimate compact form that unfolds itself into all of manifest creation.
Tom T:
Yes DNA is essentially a vibratory bundle of knowledge. Tom
Rick archer writes:
So would it be correct to say that you're not seeing the DNA itself, but
tuning in to the fundamental knowledge it represents? In that case, I
could see what you mean about the DNA of creation. You're not using
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New book edited by Sagans widow into a coherent book from lecture he
gave.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/13/science/13carl.html?8dpc
According to a friend who knows the alleged robber, he committed a
similar stunt in Ohio in the 70's and did 10 years then. He is a Ru
and maybe he was looking for a retirement home. He will get lots of
time to do his program now. Tom
Barry asked about life in Fairfield so thought I would summarize the
latest happenings. Two former Purusha guys have died of cancer in the
last two weeks. One former Purusha deeply depressed and threatened
with eviction from the all aluminum ideal trailer park on campus took
a very messy way out th
Sorry Barry I sometimes like to focus on some of the real stuff that
goes on here in addition to the other stuff. On the other hand the
best thing I can say about our little town is the intense amount of
connectivity. Every whereever you go you find yourself connecting with
folks that have come int
Police and Sheriff Reports
>From the overnight police log:
Theft was reported at the women's dome at MUM campus.
A two-vehicle accident occurred when Ruth Wiederkehr, of Fairfield was
traveling westbound on Golden Dome Way, and lost control on the snowy
roadway. Wiederkehr crossed the centerline
Judy writes snipped:
Sal, you miswrote to start with. To say that TMO
funds haven't been used for their intended purpose
is one thing; to say that the TMO itself is bankrupt
is quite another. I'm not disputing the first, only
the second.
Tom T;
Since no one seems to know where the money actually
TorquiseB writes snipped:
There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about
what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they
are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok?
TomT:
Barry very well said and I will not argue your right to say it and you
do it well. I may n
Police and Sheriff Reports 2/19/07
>From the weekend police log:
Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield reported theft in the fifth degree
at the MUM building 140, room 322.
Sergiy Gudoshyn reported serious assault at MUM building 143, room
208. The incident is under investigation, and warrants were
Local Ru author Jed McKenna (pseudoname) points out in his book
Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment that the story of the Gita is the
story of the Break Out Archetype. The story of you, the seeker on the
path. He actually points out the Krishna lies and cheats and that
Arjuna got a free ride. Refre
: David Swallow, Lakota Medicine Man Lecture - Fairfield, Iowa
This is an invitation to attend a very special talk by a highly
revered medicine man at a meeting set for Thursday March 1 at 7:00 pm
In the evening at Revelations upstairs. Use the door to the left of
the main door by the Alleyway.
I hate to break your bubble Bobo but Mother Divine was still without
power on Sunday night after losing it around 11am Sat morning. They
were moved into the Raj until power could be restored to thier
location. In addition the Condos on campus were also still without
power last night. No power no he
Due to the serious Ice storm of this past weekend the event scheduled
for March 1 has been cancelled. If it gets rescheduled I will repost
the Info. Tom
Peter writes:
Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM.
There is nothing "wrong" with effort when it is
understood this way. But you don't use the term
"effort" with people first starting TM because for
them the term "effort" means something completely
different. The intellect discriminates
A quote from Jean Klein from his book I AM page 85.
"In an experience there is still an experiencer who is stuck in the
pattern of going in and out of states. Global understanding is the
sudden awareness that the perceiver of these states is unaffected by
them, that they appear in the perceiver. T
TorquiseB writes snipped:
Theoretical spiritual practice is just that, theory.
Applied spiritual practice is *applied*, one moment
at a time, all day, every day. Meditation without
mindfulness and the intention to bring the light of
that meditation into the world and share it with
others in every a
A former Purusha friend informed me that he knew from first hand
experience that a monthly check was being sent to Jerry at least into
the early 90's by one of the movements arms. TomT
Barry writes snipped:
I say if you're going to have a limit, enforce it.
Otherwise the assholes win.
TomT:
Eggzactly. When you instituted this policy he was adamant that you
could not do this to him. He is still trying to have it his way. Shut
him down, he has gone over before at the beginning an
Judy writes snipped:
In other words: He's very clear--remarkably clear--
that it's not that he's suddenly realized that the
earth is really nothing but a "congregation of
vapours," or that other people have no more value
than dust. He's not passing judgment on the earth
and human beings, he's sayin
Marek writes snipped:
So I was wondering . . . if you could teach or impart just one thing
to a person, the one thing or teaching or fundamental knowledge or
wisdom that you had gleaned from your life experiences -- the thing
that you would most want to share, the thing that you grokked the most
--
Rick writes snipped:
--- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if
they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have
been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I
recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived.
Tom
Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
--he needs to be able to discriminate
between reality and non-reality, regardless of how he expresses or
doesn't express this ability. I am not a fan of overblown
intellectual or academic arguments. A piercing intellect in an
enlightened state need never be obviousl
New Morning writes snipped:
> I suggest, perhaps, if you feel it true: Make a "saint" or anyone
> whose virtues you admire. Love them as a role model. Receive their
> blessings with openness, if such flows. Regardless, just admire those
> qualities. I do with Ingmar and Luccianno. Safe Passage.
>
Ba
Barry writes snipped:
So some days I might fill his lap with flowers, and
the next, Tootsie Rolls, or like today, let him wear
my nose glasses, or maybe a funny hat. I think enough
of the historical Buddha to believe that whatever makes
me smile would make him smile.
Tom T:
Cindy and I used to go
The basis of civility is to allow the perceived other the same thing
that every one seems to want. Allow other the same freedom you demand
for yourself without insisting you are absolutely perfectly right and
have the perfect Truth. You are free to say what you will. I am free
to respond and state
>From the book of the above name subtitled: From Awakening to
Enlightenment by Donna Lee Gorrell (daughter of THE famous jazz
musician of the same last name)
from the top of the first para of the intro.
I was naive when my spiritual journey began, I wanted growth without
change, wisdom without ex
from Perfect Madness, from awakening to enlightenment by Donna Lee
Gorrell page 121:
The third eye is the beacon to the inner universe that sees the inner
and outer as inseparable. This eye sees all creation as unified and
yet permits one to operate within the world of complexities and
multitudes.
Barry writes snipped:
So please don't take offense if you're still way into
a subject and want to pursue it and I don't want to
play. It's only that I've used the original subject as
inspiration and am now off up some tributary that seems
more interesting to me. And I'm probably up there
withou
Bronte posts snipped:
When another person's belief is so out of line with our own opinions
and assumptions, it's almost impossible to bend the mind to form an
opening large enough to consider the radical possibility. I try to
bend mine as much as possible. It's let me find a lot of interesting
st
Marek writes snipped:
And he wasn't talking about giving up your individuality or slavishly
following a guru; only that some have experienced that blasting away
of the individual and the realization that I/It -- *Is* -- not even
One but beyond the concepts of 'One' and 'other'. And, if I follow
New Morning et al: writes snipped
___Thus, for example, I understand, directly, that thoughts, and
the subset of thoughts called desires, is not from any
individualities' effort. Thus, the nuance, that "might" be sympathetic
and understanding of Jim's and Rory's apparent position of: they don't
des
Some additional things that came up whilst the eyes were closed. In
chapter 2 of Patanjali verses 34 and 35 (close quess as my copy is
still in a box somewhere). #34 goes like this. When the person is
established in truthfulness all actions achieve the desired results.
#35 When the person is establ
Barry writes snipped:
Transmission (or empowerment) kinda cuts through
the crap of language and its inability to express
the inexpressible. It also cuts through the crap
of the intellect, in that one doesn't have to
try to imagine what is being discussed; it is
here and now, part of one's experienc
Barry writes snipped:
In other words, it's not the words that provide
the "finger pointing to the moon." It's the fact
that the enlightened being's *attention* is on
the moon that makes it lively, and that allows
others to get a feeling for the moon and what it
is like, even though the puny words w
Barry writes in his summary:
So have a go at it, eh? And if you are able to come
up with some statement -- any statement -- that is
true for all beings, in all periods of time, in all
contexts, and when viewed from all states of consciousness,
*then* come back and tell me how accurate
you believe
New Morning et al snipped :
But my view doesn't include a "SHOULD", its more of a visionary
"could".
TomT:
Absolutely agree. But in order to spring fully into the could I find I
need to see the perfection of what IS and not as a static IS but an
everchanging, ever perfect IS. As one friend recentl
New morning snipped:
And "ME" has always seemed a strained description or metaphor. More
apt would be "we", but that still implies many and doesn't feel like
that. The well is one. To equate this Oneness Well with this localized
apparatus -- which in common language is called "me", doesn't fit my
Barry concludes:
Oh, that we all had more of that same Beginner's Mind
more of the time in other discussions...
TomT:
At the large course in DC in 1993 we were shown videos to pass the day
between extended rounds. One day they showed a video entitled:
Advanced Jyotish for Beginners. As usual I had
Vaj writes snipped;
Actually the way it's taught by lineal Patanjali masters is that
siddhis are not to be cultivated via samyama but instead are
spontaneous side-effects of samadhi. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
emphasized this as well.
TomT:
As I have stated previously The sutras are not a p
As Jed McKenna wrote in his second book Spiritually Incorrect
Enlightenment. Life is free fall forever. A lady commented Yah! and
everything is Teflon coated. Tom T
Amarnath writes snipped:
After full Awakening, in this phase,
"There is nothing but Self !
( which is Awareness, Bliss, God, Love,
whatever ).
In this "?final?" phase, "I am also my experiences."
But 'I' and 'me' are no longer "personal"
supposedly and neither is the Bliss
( it's of a different im
Angela writes snipped:
Really good description. When witnessing sleep, you
can sometimes see the moment when the body drifts from
waking into sleeping, and you can feel "surprised" at
some distance from it all that there is hardly any
difference.
And the "surprise" contains the further notion th
--- Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had noticed that at the instant of falling asleep,
> that thoughts
> became less frequent, discontiguous and random - - -
> so I will
> occaisionally reproduce that to encourage sleep.
Angela writes:
Yeah, I can enter that state at will also. I think
you
Barry writes snipped:
I'm just suggesting that it doesn't. Belief
EQUALS only belief. Presented AS belief, or
opinion, I have no problem with anything anyone
says. Presented as "truth," I might have to
speak up and point out that IMO it isn't.
That's all.
TomT:
Any belief is just another addicti
Steve writes snipped:
There is not a system of conflict resolution in the TMO and so the
frustration only leads to two choices--accept the way it is or leave.
TomT:
There is a saying around FF that graduating from the movement is hard
as the only way to do that is to get thrown out. All baby bir
Barry writes snipped:
In the same way that some of the subjectopaths here
seem to believe that "If I believe it, it's 'truth,'"
Edg believes that "If I *feel* it, it's 'truth.'"
TomT:
I was reading a newsletter today and learned of a law called Benford's
Law of Controversy that states that passion
New Morning posts snipped:
But then again, you don't really know, at all, right?
TomT:
When the Knowing is Known by the ultimate Knower there is no where
left to go. This is the one and only Knower knowing its creation
through its own Self. From the totality of creation to point value it
is all K
stu writes snipped:
In all cases, free will is adopted and rejected by people regardless of
their proclivity towards faith. However, I am ever suspicious of
anyone's arguments if they involve themselves with faith. If they are
willing to accept one notion without adequate evidence what then of
th
Barry writes snipped:
I'm completely *comfortable* with the notion of there
being a Saganesque "billions and billions" of realities.
That poses no problem for me whatsoever.
TomT:
For me it appears to be a Baskin and Robbins store with trillions of
flavors and ultimately the only thing you can k
Barry writes snipped:
> Have fun. TOm
Always. You, too, I trust...
TomT:
It seems that is our purpose or so it seems. Anyway it seems a lot
that laughter is the constant and that being around people is the
source of amusement. The recognition there is only one of us and it
has our flavor because
TomT: Have Fun!
Barry:
> Always. You, too, I trust...
>
> TomT:
> It seems that is our purpose or so it seems.
Barry:
This could be interpreted as a throwaway comment
on your part, but I don't see it as one, because
I thoroughly agree. I think that fun is one of
the most misunderstood principles
New Morning posts snipped:
Big important issues (to you) -- and for which you have the time,
attention and sometimes money to investigate more deeply, deserve
deeper,more systematic investigations.
TomT:
On NPR this AM an interview about the changing of the guard at the
Chinese Politburo. Small de
Angela writes:
If you guys find this hymn, please let me know. It's my favorite, and
the pages where it should be are missing from my copy of the tenth
mandala. a
TomT;
Revelations has a ton of copies if you wish to update yours. Or on the
other hadn stop in get a cup of coffee and read what you
I thought that the guys you picked to show me were much to handsome. I
am much fatter and have all gray hair. Great shots of the gang on Weds
nite. Enjoyed this very much. Tom
New Morning et al:
Actually my question was quite simple. Do people believe or experience
that the practice of TM (and/or siddhis) improves day to day behavior
and activity? Any takers?
Tom T;
My experience is Yes. That does not mean that from time to time
certain people experience me as someone t
n Nov 18, 2007, at 11:43 AM, ffl_topic_heading_editor wrote:
> Give the process several weeks. If it is not useful, it can be
> abandoned.
>
> After this initial resettting of topic headings, I anticipate that
> this will not be needed any more than 2-5 times a week. And tapering
> down from the
Rory Goff writes snipped:
But "to know itself as Self" is not like any other knowledge, which
is indeed dualistic and based on a comparison, on an either-or
discrimination.
That's why this Self-knowledge is so mind-blowing -- literally. It is
so ordinary and so special, so still and so dynami
Barry writes snipped:
It's the same thing we see in those who feel that *their* subjec-
tive experiences are better than other people's subjective experiences.
Tom T:
Another way to look at any and all experiences is as a storage device.
We have an "Experience" and the reason we do is that we are
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