[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Drops the Body

[skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's sad to hear of Jerry's passing. However, I imagine he might be the first 
to gracefully recast his insight and reality -- that "there was never a time 
when I or you did not exist, there will never be a time when we cease to 
exist", crafted in an uplifting and mirthful way -- with his inevitable glow, 
grin, and soft chuckle.   

 I searched for obituaries -- though finding none, assuming that he would get 
at least modest mention by some notable media.  That may unfold in next few 
days.  He is worthy of such I suggest -- he made a significant impact on 
America and the world, from the mid-60s to mid -70s. Perhaps that was too short 
a period, too long ago, for much current notice of his passing. If so, that's a 
shame.
 

 Arguably, by creating and effectively managing the rapid expansion of SIMS, 
taping the latent energy of, inspiring and guiding tens of 1000's of students, 
he helped usher in an impressive leap forward in the acceptance of meditation 
in the world's mindset, opening the door wide for the plethora human potential 
programs and practices flourishing today.  That is a notable achievement, 
though I am sure he would have preferred a more TM-centric outcome -- TM 
centers as prevalent as Starbucks ("a better jolt of wakefulness", he might 
joke).   
 

 It was a wild and untamed time, an un-trodden path, a bumpy, twisty ride at 
times.  However, I sense few if any could have pulled it all together and held 
it together as well and as long as he did -- beaming with his extensive grace, 
knowledge, gentle yet pervasive wit, and remarkable calmness.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/5/2014 6:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Differentiating TM from all other spiritual paths, techniques and 
methods was ALWAYS done (and still is) and was/is the fundamental 
basis upon which Marshy's ego and empire was built. 

>
You guys need to stop making up bullshit. Everyone meditates and thinks 
things over every day; and we are all transcending all the time, even 
without a technique. Meditation means to think things over. You don't 
know any /special techniques/ any more than we do.


There is no "TM" - apparently you've been in a trance-induction state, 
by your own admission - "TM" is just an acronym made up to facilitate 
communication between teachers to indicate /a meditation that is 
transcendental/.


Everyone knows that /meditation isn't the cause of enlightenment/ - 
meditation just provides the ideal opportunity for the transcending.


/"Any technique that provides the opportunity for transcending could be 
termed transcendental meditation."/ - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I heard that he kept wanting to sit on Bevan's lap, which was already occupied 
by three other course participants - a *serious* no-no.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for posting this Edg - shows how full of it the Movement was early on. 

 

 Did you ever know exactly what infraction got you on the list to begin with?

 

 From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 1:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   I was blacklisted at teacher training because of being "cited" "in your 
file" by someone never-to-be-named, and I had to talk myself outta that deal 
with John Black who told me, "Ok, go back, I'll get you off the list."  He knew 
me enough to do that, but I could've been bounced.  Everyone at the course knew 
that eyes were upon us from all angles, and one had better toe the movement 
morality line (an always changing target.) Many WERE sent home without much 
explanation to them or to the rest of us.   

Meanwhile, Jerry Jarvis, when asked why initiations were waning was, "Impurity 
in the lives of the teachers."

Anyone going to any other spiritual teacher has their dome badge pulled.

Jerry told my group that no one should be attending any other lectures lest 
someone spot us there and ask, "Why is a TM teacher at THIS OTHER TECHNIQUE'S 
MEETING?"  Like that.

I remember a whole session of Maharishi asking us to come to the mike and get 
all these others techniques out of the way.  He batted them all aside with some 
scholarship but also with some flippancy.  (One-month course in Humboldt 1971.) 
 

We. All. Knew. The. Price. Of. Apostasy.

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/4/2014 8:19 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
truth is something you wouldn't recognize unless Marshy told you what 
it was.


I used the example of Raja Luis etc in my last post because that was 
the example of the last accusation on your part. You really have 
become as idiotic and incomprehensible as Willy Tex.

>
We are waiting for your evidence about witnessing Bevan's and John's 
private sex life. What is taking you so long? Apparently you and Edg 
were telling some pretty big fibs about that. Why not just admit it and 
be honest?

>


Again, give specific examples of what I have said that I can't back 
up. Come on do it or shut up.

>
You are a gossip-monger - that's why you got fired from staff at MIU. 
You're not really interested in our spiritual well-being. You guys just 
want to spread rumors and talk trash like Gail and Bronte. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for posting this Edg - shows how full of it the Movement was early on. 


Did you ever know exactly what infraction got you on the list to begin with?




 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
I was blacklisted at teacher training because of being "cited" "in your file" 
by someone never-to-be-named, and I had to talk myself outta that deal with 
John Black who told me, "Ok, go back, I'll get you off the list."  He knew me 
enough to do that, but I could've been bounced.  Everyone at the course knew 
that eyes were upon us from all angles, and one had better toe the movement 
morality line (an always changing target.) Many WERE sent home without much 
explanation to them or to the rest of us.   

Meanwhile, Jerry Jarvis, when asked why initiations were waning was, "Impurity 
in the lives of the teachers."

Anyone going to any other spiritual teacher has their dome badge pulled.

Jerry told my group that no one should be attending any other lectures lest 
someone spot us there and ask, "Why is a TM teacher at THIS OTHER TECHNIQUE'S 
MEETING?"  Like that.

I remember a whole session of Maharishi asking us to come to the mike and get 
all these others techniques out of the way.  He batted them all aside with some 
scholarship but also with some flippancy.  (One-month course in Humboldt 1971.) 
 

We. All. Knew. The. Price. Of. Apostasy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Duveyoung]

I was blacklisted at teacher training because of being "cited" "in your file" 
by someone never-to-be-named, and I had to talk myself outta that deal with 
John Black who told me, "Ok, go back, I'll get you off the list."  He knew me 
enough to do that, but I could've been bounced.  Everyone at the course knew 
that eyes were upon us from all angles, and one had better toe the movement 
morality line (an always changing target.) Many WERE sent home without much 
explanation to them or to the rest of us.   

Meanwhile, Jerry Jarvis, when asked why initiations were waning was, "Impurity 
in the lives of the teachers."

Anyone going to any other spiritual teacher has their dome badge pulled.

Jerry told my group that no one should be attending any other lectures lest 
someone spot us there and ask, "Why is a TM teacher at THIS OTHER TECHNIQUE'S 
MEETING?"  Like that.

I remember a whole session of Maharishi asking us to come to the mike and get 
all these others techniques out of the way.  He batted them all aside with some 
scholarship but also with some flippancy.  (One-month course in Humboldt 1971.) 
 

We. All. Knew. The. Price. Of. Apostasy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/3/2014 6:57 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I can't go back and cite them all.  Your latest gaffe is this notion 
that part of the TM dogma is that TM is the "only true spiritual path".



This is nothing you heard, it is only something you've concocted to 
fit a narrative you wish to present.


And when pressed on it, you immediately start to hedge about it.

N'est-ce pas?

>
Let's see if he can cite any credible sources for his claims - that 
should settle it. There must be a credible source somewhere - on Usenet 
or TM-Free - somewhere in Fairfield. Let's see if MJ can cite one single 
credible source for his claim. Just one credible witness that can verify 
that MJ was inside Bevan's bedroom.

>


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

what have I said that I can't back up? Gimme specifics.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks Richard
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 7/3/2014 11:17 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which you 
responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette when we need 
him? (-:
 


 >
 Correction: Steve wrote:
 Hey Michael,
 
 
 Good piece.  But after you finish patting yourself on the 
back.there.  I don't mind your 
opinions.  My request would be that you try to have back up a statement if you 
are presenting it as fact.  You know what they say about the two, right?  
Opinions and facts. 
 
 
 And if you are inconsistent in what you say, people will point it out.  And 
they are not cult apologists for doing so. 
 
 
 I'm afraid this last point will not sink in, even a drop.
 
 
 Sounds like you have a fulfilling life. That's nice to hear!
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, thank you...



On Thursday, July 3, 2014 12:37 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
On 7/3/2014 11:17 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
>Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which you 
>responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette when we need 
>him? (-:
>
>
Correction: Steve wrote:

Hey Michael,

Good piece.  But after you finish patting yourself on the 
back.there.  I don't mind your 
opinions.  My request would be that you try to have back up a statement if you 
are presenting it as fact.  You know what they say about the two, right?  
Opinions and facts. 

And if you are inconsistent in what you say, people will point it out.  And 
they are not cult apologists for doing so. 

I'm afraid this last point will not sink in, even a drop.
Sounds like you have a fulfilling life. That's nice to hear!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/3/2014 11:17 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which 
you responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette 
when we need him? (-:

>
Correction: Steve wrote:

Hey Michael,


Good piece.  But after you finish patting yourself on the 
back.there.  I don't mind your 
opinions.  My request would be that you try to have back up a statement 
if you are presenting it as fact.  You know what they say about the two, 
right?  Opinions and facts.


And if you are inconsistent in what you say, people will point it out. 
 And they are not cult apologists for doing so.


I'm afraid this last point will not sink in, even a drop.

Sounds like you have a fulfilling life. That's nice to hear!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which you 
responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette when we need 
him? (-:



On Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:44 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
On 7/3/2014 9:00 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
> For what little it may be worth, I am ALWAYS going to make comments on 
> the Movement and Marshy and look forward to Bevan and Hagelin being 
> taken to court by the women they have taken advantage of at MUM
>
On what grounds would Bevan and Hegelin be taken to court? Apparently 
the Judge in your court case gave you visitation rights to see your 
daughter. What have you not told us? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 7/3/2014 9:00 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
> For what little it may be worth, I am ALWAYS going to make comments on 
> the Movement and Marshy and look forward to Bevan and Hagelin being 
> taken to court by the women they have taken advantage of at MUM
 >
On what grounds would Bevan and Hegelin be taken to court? Apparently 
the Judge in your court case gave you visitation rights to see your 
daughter. What have you not told us? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I remember the baker at Livingston Manor in 77/78, a really nice fellow by the 
name of Barry. I was night watchman for awhile there, and so I'd hang out with 
Barry as he baked his bread in the early morning, and had plenty of samples. 
Also developed a serious addiction to oranges, there, and ping-pong.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Perhaps the MJ-fellow put some "special" ingredients in the dough :-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's not very difficult to understand why you got kicked off staff at MUM and 
why you'd be posting anonymously after twenty years. I wonder if you sucked as 
a baker or it was your mouth that got you fired? Go figure.
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[nablusoss1008]

 Perhaps the MJ-fellow put some "special" ingredients in the dough :-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's not very difficult to understand why you got kicked off staff at MUM and 
why you'd be posting anonymously after twenty years. I wonder if you sucked as 
a baker or it was your mouth that got you fired? Go figure.
 >
 On 7/2/2014 7:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   You have been wearing some major blinders! Marshy said TM was superior in so 
many different ways. I am guessing that you refuse to acknowledge that fact so 
you don't have to deal with the two disparate pieces of information. 
 
 
 
 On the one hand you believe Marshy to have been enlightened. On the other, if 
you acknowledged it, he said TM was better than all the rest and the only 
really effective and reliable way to nirvana. 
 
 
 
 So if you admitted he took that position, you have to deal with the fact that 
an enlightened man told lies, (since you don't believe TM is the only path) or 
that he was not enlightened. 
 
 
 
 I will tell you the way to work it out. While TM has beneficial effects for 
some practitioners, most cease the practice within a few months. TM is not the 
"jet plane to enlightenment" Marshy claimed it was, and Marshy was a liar, a 
con artist and an unenlightened jack ass.
 
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife]  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one 
true path of spirituality?  show of hands...almost no one?
 
 
 but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, 
but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened.  
 
 
 You are funny guy Michael.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or 
didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as 
did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks 
who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right.
 
 
 Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not 
enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it.
 
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Jeez Michael,
 
 
 I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only "real spiritual 
path", and neither did you.  The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, 
was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and 
therefore the most effective.
 
 
 Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim.  As 
others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique.  It worked for me, and 
I've had nice experiences.  That is all I care to say.
 
 
 Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas.
 
 
 Do I believe MMY achieved "enlightenment"?  Yes, I do.
 
 
 Do I think things got strange at some point?  Yes, again.
 
 
 Do I retain a warm spot for MMY?  Yes.  And it has grown over time, even 
though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of.
 
 
 And it's been a gas!
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the 
Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM 
and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So 
there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe.
 
 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all 
bad.  What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual 
path.  And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they 
started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus.
 
 
 It just means that their quest has taken a different turn.  Really, it's not 
complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look 
for some angle to continually demean a parti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Since this thread began as Jerry Jarvis' Birthday, I will just offer this 
little bit of info. 


I got a phone call last might from my friend Bill who had a half dozen or so 
long phone conversations with Jerry Jarvis over the last few months. One of the 
last talks he had, Bill asked him if he were enlightened and Jerry replied 
"Well, I am of the old school about that, that's just something we don't talk 
about."

Hearing this, Bill related to him his experience in seeing Charlie Lutes in 
Raleigh, NC in the early 1970's. During Charlie's lecture someone asked him if 
he was enlightened himself and Charlie said that he was, and that he was in God 
Consciousness. 


Upon hearing that Jerry expressed surprise and sort of laughed it off, but Bill 
said one got the feeling Jerry felt Charlie may have been fudging a bit. 




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true 
path of spirituality?  show of hands...almost no one?

but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but 
you know for certain MMY was not enlightened.  

You are funny guy Michael.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or 
didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as 
did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks 
who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right.

Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he
most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Jeez Michael,

I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only "real spiritual 
path", and neither did you.  The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, 
was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and 
therefore the most effective.

Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim.  As 
others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique.  It worked for me, and 
I've had nice experiences.  That is all I care to say.

Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other
areas.

Do I believe MMY achieved "enlightenment"?  Yes, I do.

Do I think things got strange at some point?  Yes, again.

Do I retain a warm spot for MMY?  Yes.  And it has grown over time, even though 
I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of.

And it's been a gas!



---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the 
Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM 
and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So 
there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all 
bad.  What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual 
path.  And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they 
started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus.

It just means that their quest has taken a different turn.  Really, it's not 
complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look 
for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice.

As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily 
basis. 





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no 
fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and 
who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big
shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the 
technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it.



____________
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You have been wearing some major blinders! Marshy said TM was superior in so 
many different ways. I am guessing that you refuse to acknowledge that fact so 
you don't have to deal with the two disparate pieces of information. 


On the one hand you believe Marshy to have been enlightened. On the other, if 
you acknowledged it, he said TM was better than all the rest and the only 
really effective and reliable way to nirvana. 


So if you admitted he took that position, you have to deal with the fact that 
an enlightened man told lies, (since you don't believe TM is the only path) or 
that he was not enlightened. 


I will tell you the way to work it out. While TM has beneficial effects for 
some practitioners, most cease the practice within a few months. TM is not the 
"jet plane to enlightenment" Marshy claimed it was, and Marshy was a liar, a 
con artist and an unenlightened jack ass.




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true 
path of spirituality?  show of hands...almost no one?

but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but 
you know for certain MMY was not enlightened.  

You are funny guy Michael.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or 
didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as 
did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks 
who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right.

Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he
most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Jeez Michael,

I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only "real spiritual 
path", and neither did you.  The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, 
was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and 
therefore the most effective.

Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim.  As 
others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique.  It worked for me, and 
I've had nice experiences.  That is all I care to say.

Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other
areas.

Do I believe MMY achieved "enlightenment"?  Yes, I do.

Do I think things got strange at some point?  Yes, again.

Do I retain a warm spot for MMY?  Yes.  And it has grown over time, even though 
I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of.

And it's been a gas!



---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the 
Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM 
and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So 
there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all 
bad.  What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual 
path.  And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they 
started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus.

It just means that their quest has taken a different turn.  Really, it's not 
complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look 
for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice.

As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily 
basis. 





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no 
fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and 
who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big
shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the 
technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it.



____
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  Wha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true 
path of spirituality?  show of hands...almost no one? 

 but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, 
but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened.  
 

 You are funny guy Michael.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or 
didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as 
did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks 
who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right.
 

 Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not 
enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Jeez Michael,
 

 I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only "real spiritual 
path", and neither did you.  The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, 
was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and 
therefore the most effective.
 

 Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim.  As 
others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique.  It worked for me, and 
I've had nice experiences.  That is all I care to say.
 

 Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas.
 

 Do I believe MMY achieved "enlightenment"?  Yes, I do.
 

 Do I think things got strange at some point?  Yes, again.
 

 Do I retain a warm spot for MMY?  Yes.  And it has grown over time, even 
though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of.
 

 And it's been a gas!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the 
Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM 
and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So 
there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all 
bad.  What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual 
path.  And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they 
started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus.
 

 It just means that their quest has taken a different turn.  Really, it's not 
complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look 
for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice.
 

 As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily 
basis.  

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no 
fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and 
who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have 
proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special 
and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain 
amount of bitterness.  And I hope I am wrong.
 

 I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends.  Some have 
stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the 
grandiose claims.  I was focused on the benefits I experienced.  And I still am 
focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice.  
 

 And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry 
towards the whole thing. And Edg as well.  
 

 I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways.  I try 
not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and 
company, is actually a realist point of view. 

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or 
didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as 
did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks 
who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right.

Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not 
enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it.




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
Jeez Michael,

I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only "real spiritual 
path", and neither did you.  The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, 
was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and 
therefore the most effective.

Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim.  As 
others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique.  It worked for me, and 
I've had nice experiences.  That is all I care to say.

Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas.

Do I believe MMY achieved "enlightenment"?  Yes, I do.

Do I think things got strange at some point?  Yes, again.

Do I retain a warm spot for MMY?  Yes.  And it has grown over time, even though 
I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of.

And it's been a gas!



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the 
Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM 
and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So 
there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all 
bad.  What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual 
path.  And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they 
started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus.

It just means that their quest has taken a different turn.  Really, it's not 
complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look 
for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice.

As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily 
basis. 





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no 
fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and 
who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have 
proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special 
and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain 
amount of bitterness.  And I hope I am wrong.

I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends.  Some have 
stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the 
grandiose
claims.  I was focused on the benefits I experienced.  And I still am focused 
on that, even if I am not regular in the practice.  

And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry 
towards the whole thing. And Edg as well.  

I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways.  I try 
not to be judgmental, but I guess I still
am.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and 
company, is actually a realist point of view. 



____
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]
Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.  

And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  

Turn that any way you wish.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Jeez Michael, 

 I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only "real spiritual 
path", and neither did you.  The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, 
was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and 
therefore the most effective.
 

 Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim.  As 
others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique.  It worked for me, and 
I've had nice experiences.  That is all I care to say.
 

 Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas.
 

 Do I believe MMY achieved "enlightenment"?  Yes, I do.
 

 Do I think things got strange at some point?  Yes, again.
 

 Do I retain a warm spot for MMY?  Yes.  And it has grown over time, even 
though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of.
 

 And it's been a gas!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the 
Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM 
and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So 
there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all 
bad.  What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual 
path.  And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they 
started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus.
 

 It just means that their quest has taken a different turn.  Really, it's not 
complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look 
for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice.
 

 As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily 
basis.  

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no 
fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and 
who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have 
proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special 
and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain 
amount of bitterness.  And I hope I am wrong.
 

 I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends.  Some have 
stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the 
grandiose claims.  I was focused on the benefits I experienced.  And I still am 
focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice.  
 

 And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry 
towards the whole thing. And Edg as well.  
 

 I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways.  I try 
not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and 
company, is actually a realist point of view. 

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.  
 

 And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  
 

 Turn that any way you wish.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here 
in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?
 

 talk about crickets!
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of 
issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd 
never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/30/2014 7:50 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out 
that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like 
that.



And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.

Turn that any way you wish.

>
Maybe those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Go figure.
>





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to 
Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care?



*From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told 
here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?


talk about crickets!




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton 
of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, 
but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's 
personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled 
out of court all hush hush, or  We don't know the shit, ya know? 
International money laundering was COMMON I was told.  And, hey, 
fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids 
from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show 
us your integrity?


The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would 
be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much 
he (and his then wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret 
agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all 
STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit 
the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and 
what the implications for the techniques are.


If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment 
and don't need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even 
try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness?


We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying. 
Jerry?  Jerry?


All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving 
press conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.


Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books 
that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted 
us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then 
we'd have asked some questions that would have made him 
uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of 
the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times 
before we were even given our list down the road.  (My sister-in-law 
was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later 
when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras 
to adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like 
what the fuck about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too 
embarrassing to openly discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started 
out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE 
FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out 
the mantras?"


Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and 
Visnu in a publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least 
respect," like that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what 
he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with 
the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or 
did he, and that's why he got fired?


If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, 
then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves 
that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up 
to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities 
that actually did shit for the downtrodden.


Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare 
ya.  Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and 
my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap 
and $1,000 fine or something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to 
arrange that elevator scenario?


I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is a call for help, if nothing else. Where is Dr. Pete when we need 
him?


On 6/30/2014 12:30 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


Why?

He never wished me a happy birthday.  All he wished was for him to be 
in on the secrets and be special in our eyes while not telling us 
about the shit coming down behind the scenes.


No transparency equals no honesty.

And what did he get?  Kicked out on his ass, and for what?  WE. DON'T. 
GET. TO. KNOW.   He was dumped and he still didn't squeal on the TMO 
-- why? -- I'm betting it was PLAIN OLD MONEY.  Bought to shut the 
fuck up.


Tell us about the money, Jerry, and about Girish et alia, Jerry, and 
then maybe you'll get an honest birthday greeting from us.


BAH on all this "the old timers are to be respected" shit -- they all 
took it up the ass like the rest of us -- keeping quiet about every 
sort of shenanigan.


And, now, what?  he's too fucking old to yell at?

Listen, didn't he let ALL OF US THINK HE WAS GOD CONSCIOUS?  He never 
was humble enough to admit the TM technique had not done the trick.  
Fucker never even took the siddhis...or if he did, HE NEVER LEVITATED, 
right? Right, Jerry?


This is the movement bullshit loud and tawdry -- honor those who 
fucked us over whenever it served HIM PERSONALLY.  He didn't have the 
GUTS to face down Maharishi, so he wussed out and took the dough.


Go ahead, someone here try to defend him -- whatever good he did, he 
did  for himself, and the bad he did was ten times more bad than the 
good he did.  He owes the universe big time.


And, Rick, you're in cahoots with him in that you're protecting him 
from the likes of me and my opinions.  HE DOESN'T FUCKING DESERVE JACK 
SHIT UNLESS HE CONFESSES HIS SINS UNTO US.


Signed,
Edward William Duveyoung -- my real full name and I'm in the phone book.


>

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep - If solely pointing out flaws in others made us satisfied, politicians and 
dictators would be the happiest people on the planet - The only guy I can think 
of, who ever made it work, is Don Rickles, and there's only one of him. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.   

 And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  
 

 Turn that any way you wish.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here 
in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?
 

 talk about crickets!
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of 
issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd 
never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, 
or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was 
COMMON I was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid 
his family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC 
complaints to show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, 
later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to 
adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like what the fuck 
about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly 
discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, 
and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened 
when you first gave out the mantras?"  

Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a 
publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like 
that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to 
Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising 
super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or did he, and that's why he got 
fired?  

If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, 
just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you 
knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS 
of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the 
downtrodden.

Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya.  
Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, 
the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or 
something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario?

I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/30/2014 8:41 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy 
and company, is actually a realist point of view.

>
Anyone taking a realist point of view would come to the conclusion that 
you and Ed are trolls that come to FFL to try and start a arguments - so 
you like to post inflammatory messages in order to get attention - you 
guys must be getting old because all you do is talk about where you have 
been, instead of where you're going.


The most interesting thing about your flames is that nobody in the TMO, 
at MUM, or anywhere else, seems to never have heard of you, so I guess 
you didn't make much of an impression at school, at work, or at home. Go 
figure.

>



*From:* "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out 
that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like 
that.


And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.

Turn that any way you wish.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to 
Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care?



*From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told 
here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?


talk about crickets!




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton 
of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, 
but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's 
personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled 
out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? 
International money laundering was COMMON I was told.  And, hey, 
fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids 
from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us 
your integrity?


The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would 
be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much 
he (and his then wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret 
agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all 
STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit 
the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and 
what the implications for the techniques are.


If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment 
and don't need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even 
try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness?


We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. 
Jerry?  Jerry?


All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving 
press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.


Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books 
that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted 
us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then 
we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. 
Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or 
even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even 
given our list down the road.  (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach 
merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew 
up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults 
also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like what the fuck 
about that, eh?)  All these secrets would have been too embarrassing 
to openly discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with 
only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were 
you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras?"


Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and 
Visnu in a publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least 
respect," like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what 
he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with 
the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or 
did he, and that's why he got fired?


If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, 
then, just fuck you J

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the 
Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM 
and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So 
there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe.




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all 
bad.  What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual 
path.  And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they 
started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus.

It just means that their quest has taken a different turn.  Really, it's not 
complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look 
for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice.

As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily 
basis. 





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no 
fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and 
who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have 
proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special 
and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain 
amount of bitterness.  And I hope I am wrong.

I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends.  Some have 
stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the 
grandiose claims.  I was focused on the benefits I experienced.  And I still am 
focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice.  

And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry 
towards the whole thing. And Edg as well.  

I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways.  I try 
not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and 
company, is actually a realist point of view. 




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]
Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.  

And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  

Turn that any way you wish.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in 
the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?

talk about crickets!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues 
about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never 
spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account,
or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or  
We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was COMMON I 
was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his 
family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to 
show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all 
bad.  What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual 
path.  And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they 
started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. 

 It just means that their quest has taken a different turn.  Really, it's not 
complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look 
for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice.
 

 As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily 
basis.  

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no 
fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and 
who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have 
proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special 
and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain 
amount of bitterness.  And I hope I am wrong.
 

 I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends.  Some have 
stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the 
grandiose claims.  I was focused on the benefits I experienced.  And I still am 
focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice.  
 

 And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry 
towards the whole thing. And Edg as well.  
 

 I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways.  I try 
not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and 
company, is actually a realist point of view. 

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.  
 

 And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  
 

 Turn that any way you wish.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here 
in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?
 

 talk about crickets!
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of 
issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd 
never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, 
or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was 
COMMON I was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid 
his family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC 
complaints to show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no 
fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and 
who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have 
proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special 
and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it.




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain 
amount of bitterness.  And I hope I am wrong.

I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends.  Some have 
stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the 
grandiose claims.  I was focused on the benefits I experienced.  And I still am 
focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice.  

And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry 
towards the whole thing. And Edg as well.  

I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways.  I try 
not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and 
company, is actually a realist point of view. 




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.  

And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  

Turn that any way you wish.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in 
the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?

talk about crickets!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues 
about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never 
spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account,
or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or  
We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was COMMON I 
was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his 
family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to 
show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need
any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students
only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those 
two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like 
what the fuck about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too 
embarrassing to openly discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience.  No problem with 
that.  What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain 
amount of bitterness.  And I hope I am wrong.
 

 I also was "all in" during my time, as were many of my friends.  Some have 
stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the 
grandiose claims.  I was focused on the benefits I experienced.  And I still am 
focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice.  
 

 And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry 
towards the whole thing. And Edg as well.  
 

 I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways.  I try 
not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and 
company, is actually a realist point of view. 

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.  
 

 And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  
 

 Turn that any way you wish.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here 
in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?
 

 talk about crickets!
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of 
issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd 
never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, 
or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was 
COMMON I was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid 
his family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC 
complaints to show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, 
later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to 
adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like what the fuck 
about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly 
discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, 
and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened 
when you first gave out the mantras?"  

Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a 
publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like 
that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to 
Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising 
super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or did he, and that's why he got 
fired?  

If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE R

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and 
company, is actually a realist point of view. 




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.  

And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  

Turn that any way you wish.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday



 
Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in 
the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?

talk about crickets!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues 
about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never 
spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account,
or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or  
We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was COMMON I 
was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his 
family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to 
show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need
any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students
only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those 
two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like 
what the fuck about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too 
embarrassing to openly discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with 
only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, 
not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras?"  

Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a 
publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like 
that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to 
Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising 
super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or did he, and that's why he got 
fired?  

If he
got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just 
fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew 
-- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of 
our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the 
downtrodden.

Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya.  
Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, 
the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or 
something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario?

I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Like.
>
On 6/30/2014 5:10 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

But Duve



But in the time they talked Jerry did say that:

1 - Judith Borque's accusations and allegations are ALL false.

Her accusations are false. We knew that already.

2 - Nothing happened with Mia Farrow and Marshy.

We knew that already.

3 - It is a lie that Charlie ever said Marshy said black folk could 
neither transcend nor get enlightened.


We knew that already.

4 - ALL and I mean ALL of the untoward allegations made about Marshy 
by Mark Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson and all the other 
personal secretaries and skin boys are categorically false.


We knew that already.

I will close this e-mail by stating emphatically that I love reading a 
FFL message by Edg Duveyoung!!! I sometimes quote that BAH!


I didn't know that, probably you're the only one here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/30/2014 6:48 PM, inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


A few years back they were looking for a volunteer to drive Bevan from 
Milwaukee or Madison or vice verse and I sure was tempted to sign up 
and get up to speed, lock the doors and get the grillin' on but then I 
realized that could back fire and get stuck with 2 hours of 
cookie-dough conversation and I didn't know if I had the guts to 
bounce him out at Oconomowoc.



>
Back in 1968 I drove Jerry from the Berkeley TM Center to the S.F. 
Airport. There wasn't much to say during the trip, but after I dropped 
him off and headed back to turn in the rental car I turned on the radio. 
But, I'm trying to not talk about where I've been, instead I want to 
talk about where I'm going. So, I'm going to Whole Foods Market tonight 
with Rita. Now that's better!

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael.  I'm just pointing out that the 
vocal accuser has his own skeletons.  Sorry if you don't like that.   

 And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you.  
 

 Turn that any way you wish.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 
 
   Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here 
in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?
 

 talk about crickets!
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of 
issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd 
never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, 
or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was 
COMMON I was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid 
his family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC 
complaints to show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, 
later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to 
adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like what the fuck 
about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly 
discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, 
and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened 
when you first gave out the mantras?"  

Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a 
publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like 
that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to 
Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising 
super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or did he, and that's why he got 
fired?  

If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, 
just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you 
knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS 
of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the 
downtrodden.

Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya.  
Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, 
the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or 
something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario?

I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/30/2014 7:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told 
here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?



talk about crickets!

>
Well, I hope this guy doesn't go postal on us. You can tell if a guy is 
really old when he talks more about where he has been rather than where 
he is going.

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton 
of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, 
but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's 
personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled 
out of court all hush hush, or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  
International money laundering was COMMON I was told.  And, hey, 
fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids 
from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show 
us your integrity?


The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would 
be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much 
he (and his then wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret 
agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all 
STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit 
the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and 
what the implications for the techniques are.


If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment 
and don't need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even 
try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness?


We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying.  
Jerry?  Jerry?


All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving 
press conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.


Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books 
that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted 
us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then 
we'd have asked some questions that would have made him 
uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of 
the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times 
before we were even given our list down the road.  (My sister-in-law 
was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later 
when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras 
to adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like 
what the fuck about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too 
embarrassing to openly discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started 
out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE 
FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out 
the mantras?"


Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and 
Visnu in a publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least 
respect," like that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what 
he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with 
the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or 
did he, and that's why he got fired?


If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, 
then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves 
that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up 
to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities 
that actually did shit for the downtrodden.


Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare 
ya.  Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and 
my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap 
and $1,000 fine or something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to 
arrange that elevator scenario?


I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/30/2014 4:39 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton 
of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, 
but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's 
personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled 
out of court all hush hush, or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  
International money laundering was COMMON I was told.  And, hey, 
fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids 
from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show 
us your integrity?


The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would 
be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much 
he (and his then wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret 
agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all 
STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit 
the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and 
what the implications for the techniques are.


If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment 
and don't need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even 
try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness?


We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not 
flying.  Jerry?  Jerry?


All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving 
press conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.


Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books 
that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted 
us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then 
we'd have asked some questions that would have made him 
uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of 
the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times 
before we were even given our list down the road.  (My sister-in-law 
was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later 
when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras 
to adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like 
what the fuck about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too 
embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: "Um, Maharishi, you started 
out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE 
FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out 
the mantras?"


Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and 
Visnu in a publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least 
respect," like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what 
he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with 
the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or 
did he, and that's why he got fired?


If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, 
then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves 
that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up 
to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities 
that actually did shit for the downtrodden.


Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare 
ya.  Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and 
my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap 
and $1,000 fine or something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to 
arrange that elevator scenario?


I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg


>
If you've read so many books and know so much why don't you tell us 
where the TM mantras came from? I've been asking you for years. Why 
won't you tell us, Ed? It shouldn't take thirty years for you to post an 
explanation.


I started asking the question about a half an hour after I learned TM - 
but you seemed to be happy just muttering your mantras for a long time - 
no questions asked. It's kind of late to fault Jerry for your own 
ignorance. Go figure.

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and 
King Tony for salvation to care?




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in 
the name of making a point that you think needs to be made?

talk about crickets!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues 
about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never 
spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, 
or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was 
COMMON I was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid 
his family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC 
complaints to show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, 
later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to 
adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like what the fuck 
about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly 
discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, 
and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened 
when you first gave out the
 mantras?"  

Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a 
publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like 
that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to 
Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising 
super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or did he, and that's why he got 
fired?  

If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, 
just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you 
knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS 
of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the 
downtrodden.

Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya.  
Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, 
the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or 
something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario?

I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in 
the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? 

 talk about crickets!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of 
issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd 
never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, 
or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was 
COMMON I was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid 
his family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC 
complaints to show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, 
later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to 
adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like what the fuck 
about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly 
discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, 
and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened 
when you first gave out the mantras?"  

Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a 
publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like 
that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to 
Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising 
super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or did he, and that's why he got 
fired?  

If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, 
just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you 
knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS 
of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the 
downtrodden.

Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya.  
Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, 
the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or 
something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario?

I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/30/2014 2:47 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

But Duve

Jerry still got one-a Marshy's old passports and by all accounts he 
revers it - actually only my friend Bill told me that - he's the one I 
mentioned was having semi-regular conversations with Jerry - till he 
started asking Jerry some questions that made Jerr uncomfortable.


But in the time they talked Jerry did say that:

1 - Judith Borque's accusations and allegations are ALL false.
2 - Nothing happened with Mia Farrow and Marshy.
3 - It is a lie that Charlie ever said Marshy said black folk could 
neither transcend nor get enlightened.
4 - ALL and I mean ALL of the untoward allegations made about Marshy 
by Mark Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson and all the other 
personal secretaries and skin boys are categorically false. No word on 
how all of them saw stuff that Jerry didn't.


I will close this e-mail by stating emphatically that I love reading a 
FFL message by Edg Duveyoung!!! I sometimes quote that BAH!

>
You can tell if you're getting really old when you talk mostly about 
where you have been - instead of where you are going. You and Ed are 
maybe the only two informants that care what Connie Larsson said about 
MMY forty years ago.

>



*From:* Duveyoung 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 1:30 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

Why?

He never wished me a happy birthday. All he wished was for him to be 
in on the secrets and be special in our eyes while not telling us 
about the shit coming down behind the scenes.


No transparency equals no honesty.

And what did he get?  Kicked out on his ass, and for what?  WE. DON'T. 
GET. TO. KNOW.   He was dumped and he still didn't squeal on the TMO 
-- why? -- I'm betting it was PLAIN OLD MONEY.  Bought to shut the 
fuck up.


Tell us about the money, Jerry, and about Girish et alia, Jerry, and 
then maybe you'll get an honest birthday greeting from us.


BAH on all this "the old timers are to be respected" shit -- they all 
took it up the ass like the rest of us -- keeping quiet about every 
sort of shenanigan.


And, now, what?  he's too fucking old to yell at?

Listen, didn't he let ALL OF US THINK HE WAS GOD CONSCIOUS?  He never 
was humble enough to admit the TM technique had not done the trick.  
Fucker never even took the siddhis...or if he did, HE NEVER LEVITATED, 
right?  Right, Jerry?


This is the movement bullshit loud and tawdry -- honor those who 
fucked us over whenever it served HIM PERSONALLY.  He didn't have the 
GUTS to face down Maharishi, so he wussed out and took the dough.


Go ahead, someone here try to defend him -- whatever good he did, he 
did  for himself, and the bad he did was ten times more bad than the 
good he did.  He owes the universe big time.


And, Rick, you're in cahoots with him in that you're protecting him 
from the likes of me and my opinions.  HE DOESN'T FUCKING DESERVE JACK 
SHIT UNLESS HE CONFESSES HIS SINS UNTO US.


Signed,
Edward William Duveyoung -- my real full name and I'm in the phone book.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 06/30/2014 03:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

God I love your posts!!!

"I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting 
experiences like flying."


According to friend Bill the above quote is about what Jerry says 
often these days - he seems also from his conversations with Bill to 
be embarrassed about the rajas and their behavior. \


But Jerry is a Marshy man all the way. He read to Bill over the phone 
some excerpts of Marshy's commentary on the Gita - the unpublished 
one, you know the last chapters and all.



*From:* Duveyoung 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 5:39 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton 
of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, 
but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's 
personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled 
out of court all hush hush, or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  
International money laundering was COMMON I was told.  And, hey, 
fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids 
from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show 
us your integrity?


The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would 
be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much 
he (and his then wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret 
agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all 
STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit 
the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and 
what the implications for the techniques are.


If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment 
and don't need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even 
try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness?


We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not 
flying.  Jerry? Jerry?


All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving 
press conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.


Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books 
that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted 
us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then 
we'd have asked some questions that would have made him 
uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of 
the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times 
before we were even given our list down the road.  (My sister-in-law 
was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later 
when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras 
to adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like 
what the fuck about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too 
embarrassing to openly discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started 
out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE 
FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out 
the mantras?"


See?  There's nothing special about the mantras.  You could even just 
use one.  Real gurus, BTW, figure out your disposition and give you a 
mantra that suits that.  This is no too different from giving mantras 
according to ayurveda.  However in ayurveda if your vakriti changes then 
you need to use a different mantra for that.


Westerners, especially in the 1960s, knew shit about mantras so you 
could give them about anything.  TM mantras are goddess mantras but 
there are also Shiva mantras which might suit others.  I'm sure 
Maharishi thought that if the TM mantras didn't work for them they would 
probably wander off to someone like Muktananda for a Shiva mantra.


And yes, someone even doing a TM mantra could pop and cross over the 
line.  It's all about where you are when you start.  Some folks may have 
a few lifetime's wait.  Don't make it longer.




Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and 
Visnu in a publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least 
respect," like that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what 
he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with 
the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or 
did he, and that's why he got fired?


If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, 
then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves 
that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up 
to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities 
that actually did shit for the downt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

A few years back they were looking for a volunteer to drive Bevan from 
Milwaukee or Madison or vice verse and I sure was tempted to sign up and get up 
to speed, lock the doors and get the grillin' on but then I realized that could 
back fire and get stuck with 2 hours of cookie-dough conversation and I didn't 
know if I had the guts to bounce him out at Oconomowoc.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

God I love your posts!!!

"I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences 
like flying." 


According to friend Bill the above quote is about what Jerry says often these 
days - he seems also from his conversations with Bill to be embarrassed about 
the rajas and their behavior. \

But Jerry is a Marshy man all the way. He read to Bill over the phone some 
excerpts of Marshy's commentary on the Gita - the unpublished one, you know the 
last chapters and all. 




 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 5:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues 
about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never 
spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, 
or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was 
COMMON I was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid 
his family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC 
complaints to show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, 
later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to 
adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like what the fuck 
about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly 
discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, 
and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened 
when you first gave out the
 mantras?"  

Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a 
publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like 
that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to 
Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising 
super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or did he, and that's why he got 
fired?  

If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, 
just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you 
knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS 
of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the 
downtrodden.

Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya.  
Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, 
the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or 
something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario?

I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[nablusoss1008]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But Duve 

 

 

 

 But in the time they talked Jerry did say that:
 

 1 - Judith Borque's accusations and allegations are ALL false.

 

 Her accusations are false. We knew that already.  

 2 - Nothing happened with Mia Farrow and Marshy.
 

 We knew that already.
 

 3 - It is a lie that Charlie ever said Marshy said black folk could neither 
transcend nor get enlightened. 


 

 We knew that already.
 

 4 - ALL and I mean ALL of the untoward allegations made about Marshy by Mark 
Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson and all the other personal secretaries and 
skin boys are categorically false.
 

 We knew that already.
 

 I will close this e-mail by stating emphatically that I love reading a FFL 
message by Edg Duveyoung!!! I sometimes quote that BAH! 

 

 I didn't know that, probably you're the only one here.

 

 
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Duveyoung]

Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues 
about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never 
spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking 
account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, 
or  We don't know the shit, ya know?  International money laundering was 
COMMON I was told.  And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid 
his family and kids from us.  Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC 
complaints to show us your integrity?  

The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at 
least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then 
wife?)  got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most 
importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution 
and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to 
levitate and what the implications for the techniques are.

If he gives me some shit like "I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't 
need any exciting experiences like flying." then, why even try to deal with him 
after that kind of evasiveness?

We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly.  We're not flying.  Jerry?  
Jerry?

All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues.  No one is giving press 
conferences.  THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS.

Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were 
NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be 
spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked 
some questions that would have made him uncomfortable.  Like, he never told us 
jack about the provenance of the  mantras -- or even that the mantra set had 
changed many times before we were even given our list down the road.  (My 
sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, 
later when she grew up, she was told "Just keep giving out those two mantras to 
adults also now, you don't need the whole set."  And, wow, like what the fuck 
about that, eh?)   All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly 
discuss...such as:  "Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, 
and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened 
when you first gave out the mantras?"  

Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a 
publication of mine -- "it would never do to show the least respect," like 
that, ya see?  But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to 
Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising 
super-powers that would not be delivered.   Or did he, and that's why he got 
fired?  

If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, 
just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you 
knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS 
of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the 
downtrodden.

Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya.  
Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, 
the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or 
something.  I got the money.  Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario?

I kid.  I kid.

Or?

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

But Duve 


Jerry still got one-a Marshy's old passports and by all accounts he revers it - 
actually only my friend Bill told me that - he's the one I mentioned was having 
semi-regular conversations with Jerry - till he started asking Jerry some 
questions that made Jerr uncomfortable. 


But in the time they talked Jerry did say that:

1 - Judith Borque's accusations and allegations are ALL false. 

2 - Nothing happened with Mia Farrow and Marshy.
3 - It is a lie that Charlie ever said Marshy said black folk could neither 
transcend nor get enlightened. 

4 - ALL and I mean ALL of the untoward allegations made about Marshy by Mark 
Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson and all the other personal secretaries and 
skin boys are categorically false. No word on how all of them saw stuff that 
Jerry didn't.

I will close this e-mail by stating emphatically that I love reading a FFL 
message by Edg Duveyoung!!! I sometimes quote that BAH! 




 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 1:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
 


  
Why?

He never wished me a happy birthday.  All he wished was for him to be in on the 
secrets and be special in our eyes while not telling us about the shit coming 
down behind the scenes.

No transparency equals no honesty.

And what did he get?  Kicked out on his ass, and for what?  WE. DON'T. GET. TO. 
KNOW.   He was dumped and he still didn't squeal on the TMO -- why? -- I'm 
betting it was PLAIN OLD MONEY.  Bought to shut the fuck up.

Tell us about the money, Jerry, and about Girish et alia, Jerry, and then maybe 
you'll get an honest birthday greeting from us.

BAH on all this "the old timers are to be respected" shit -- they all took it 
up the ass like the rest of us -- keeping quiet about every sort of shenanigan. 
 

And, now, what?  he's too fucking old to yell at?  

Listen, didn't he let ALL OF US THINK HE WAS GOD CONSCIOUS?  He never was 
humble enough to admit the TM technique had not done the trick.  Fucker never 
even took the siddhis...or if he did, HE NEVER LEVITATED, right?  Right, Jerry? 
 

This is the movement bullshit loud and tawdry -- honor those who fucked us over 
whenever it served HIM PERSONALLY.  He didn't have the GUTS to face down 
Maharishi, so he wussed out and took the dough.  

Go ahead, someone here try to defend him -- whatever good he did, he did  for 
himself, and the bad he did was ten times more bad than the good he did.  He 
owes the universe big time.

And, Rick, you're in cahoots with him in that you're protecting him from the 
likes of me and my opinions.  HE DOESN'T FUCKING DESERVE JACK SHIT UNLESS HE 
CONFESSES HIS SINS UNTO US.

Signed,
Edward William Duveyoung -- my real full name and I'm in the phone book.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday

[Duveyoung]

Why?

He never wished me a happy birthday.  All he wished was for him to be in on the 
secrets and be special in our eyes while not telling us about the shit coming 
down behind the scenes.

No transparency equals no honesty.

And what did he get?  Kicked out on his ass, and for what?  WE. DON'T. GET. TO. 
KNOW.   He was dumped and he still didn't squeal on the TMO -- why? -- I'm 
betting it was PLAIN OLD MONEY.  Bought to shut the fuck up.

Tell us about the money, Jerry, and about Girish et alia, Jerry, and then maybe 
you'll get an honest birthday greeting from us.

BAH on all this "the old timers are to be respected" shit -- they all took it 
up the ass like the rest of us -- keeping quiet about every sort of shenanigan. 
 

And, now, what?  he's too fucking old to yell at?  

Listen, didn't he let ALL OF US THINK HE WAS GOD CONSCIOUS?  He never was 
humble enough to admit the TM technique had not done the trick.  Fucker never 
even took the siddhis...or if he did, HE NEVER LEVITATED, right?  Right, Jerry? 
 

This is the movement bullshit loud and tawdry -- honor those who fucked us over 
whenever it served HIM PERSONALLY.  He didn't have the GUTS to face down 
Maharishi, so he wussed out and took the dough.  

Go ahead, someone here try to defend him -- whatever good he did, he did  for 
himself, and the bad he did was ten times more bad than the good he did.  He 
owes the universe big time.

And, Rick, you're in cahoots with him in that you're protecting him from the 
likes of me and my opinions.  HE DOESN'T FUCKING DESERVE JACK SHIT UNLESS HE 
CONFESSES HIS SINS UNTO US.

Signed,
Edward William Duveyoung -- my real full name and I'm in the phone book.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis, Charlie Lutes

[Buck]

This is interesting by contrast.  These guys were around until about 1976 
whence Bevan ascended to where he is.  I remember what I think was the last 
national leaders conference in late Spring 1974 where everyone came together 
(north American coordinators too) in Arosa Switzerland.  Whole organization 
then turned upside down in Spring of '77 leaving Bevan by Maharishi.

By contrast with Jarvis and Lutes in personality, would you think Bevan short 
on empathic mirror neurons?  

35 years of rule since those days and the TM-movement today as the 
administrated character of what it is.  As in this RSA Animate description of 
the problem.. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "stevelf"  wrote:
>
> you can't fake those smiles, I say
> 
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA&feature=related
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis in New Orleans

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> My comment was my way of having fun with the oft-expressed
> notion of Fairfield as a "special place," full of equally
> "special" people. It was also my way of reminding people
> that some of these "special" people who consider themselves
> so evolved expressed the opinion that Hurricane Katrina was
> the "wrath of the laws of nature or God" exacting some kind
> of karmic payback against all of those sinful people living 
> in New Orleans. Some did the same thing with the Iowa City
> floods, ignoring the fact that Fairfield isn't on a river
> and saying that that disaster, too, was some kind of karmic 
> payback, and that Fairfield was saved because it was so 
> special.

Sure would be interesting to see some quotes confirming
this. I did a quick search, and all I could find here
was folks condemning statements by people like Pat
Robertson and James Hagee to this effect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis in New Orleans

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Space advertisement appearing in the Fairfield Weekly Reader
> > > > that Jerry Jarvis will be speaking over a weekend
> > > > down in New Orleans.  
> > > > 
> > > > Residence course style.  $349 2 nights, six meals.
> > > > 
> > > > Fairfield residents get a $25 discount for making the trip
> > > > 
> > > > April 15-17
> > > 
> > > Interesting the TM.org would have Jerry Jarvis down in 
> > > New Orleans and want Fairfield people there but evidently 
> > > won't bring him to Fairfield like at this New Orleans venue.
> > 
> > Fairfield's too low-vibe. Jerry needed an environment
> > less full of sinners, and more in tune with the Laws
> > Of Nature and the tenets of Sat Yuga.
>
> Actually Jerry was in Fairfield this past summer...I think 
> he was doing some rounding for a few weeks here...
> And Jerry has been to Fairfield, many times in the past...
> So, there ya' go...

My comment was my way of having fun with the oft-expressed
notion of Fairfield as a "special place," full of equally
"special" people. It was also my way of reminding people
that some of these "special" people who consider themselves
so evolved expressed the opinion that Hurricane Katrina was
the "wrath of the laws of nature or God" exacting some kind
of karmic payback against all of those sinful people living 
in New Orleans. Some did the same thing with the Iowa City
floods, ignoring the fact that Fairfield isn't on a river
and saying that that disaster, too, was some kind of karmic 
payback, and that Fairfield was saved because it was so 
special. I was merely pointing out that Jerry has no problems 
with New Orleans, and was thanking my lucky stars that I 
don't live in a place so sanctimonious that it does. :-)

Similarly, I responded to Doc Pete's quip about watching
out for spies at the upcoming Adyashanti event to point out
that daily life in "Sat Yuga Fairfield" among the "special" 
people who live there and rat on their friends if they 
commit the heinous sin of "seeing another teacher" strikes
me as not unlike living in France during the Occupation and 
having to deal with neighbors who were ready to rat you out 
to the authorities at any time. The TMO carpetbagged its way 
into Fairfield, and constitutes at most a fifth of its popu-
lation. But it somehow feels that it has the right to dictate 
to TM practitioners living there who they can see and who 
they can't and what they can do and what they can't. I 
consider that the very definition of "low-vibe."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis in New Orleans

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Space advertisement appearing in the Fairfield Weekly Reader
> > > that Jerry Jarvis will be speaking over a weekend
> > > down in New Orleans.  
> > > 
> > > Residence course style.  $349 2 nights, six meals.
> > > 
> > > Fairfield residents get a $25 discount for making the trip
> > > 
> > > April 15-17
> > 
> > Interesting the TM.org would have Jerry Jarvis down in 
> > New Orleans and want Fairfield people there but evidently 
> > won't bring him to Fairfield like at this New Orleans venue.
> 
> Fairfield's too low-vibe. Jerry needed an environment
> less full of sinners, and more in tune with the Laws
> Of Nature and the tenets of Sat Yuga.
>
Actually Jerry was in Fairfield this past summer...I think he was doing some 
rounding for a few weeks here...
And Jerry has been to Fairfield, many times in the past...
So, there ya' go...

R.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis in New Orleans

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Space advertisement appearing in the Fairfield Weekly Reader
> > that Jerry Jarvis will be speaking over a weekend
> > down in New Orleans.  
> > 
> > Residence course style.  $349 2 nights, six meals.
> > 
> > Fairfield residents get a $25 discount for making the trip
> > 
> > April 15-17
> 
> Interesting the TM.org would have Jerry Jarvis down in 
> New Orleans and want Fairfield people there but evidently 
> won't bring him to Fairfield like at this New Orleans venue.

Fairfield's too low-vibe. Jerry needed an environment
less full of sinners, and more in tune with the Laws
Of Nature and the tenets of Sat Yuga.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis in New Orleans

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Space advertisement appearing in the Fairfield Weekly Reader
> that Jerry Jarvis will be speaking over a weekend
> down in New Orleans.  
> 
> Residence course style.  $349 2 nights, six meals.
> 
> Fairfield residents get a $25 discount for making the trip
> 
> April 15-17
>


Interesting the TM.org would have Jerry Jarvis down in New Orleans and want 
Fairfield people there but evidently won't bring him to Fairfield like at this 
New Orleans venue.

Bevan's talk this week in Fairfield is restricted to meditators with valid 
badges, un-like the meeting he tried with the community last time before he 
went out on national tour.

These two guys moving counter-clockwise around each other?

The Fairfield Weekly Reader ad for Jerry down in New Orleans has a real nice 
picture of Jerry with Maharishi.

JGD,
-Buck in FF

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis interview on the Radio

[Buck]

Om, jeez what kind of interview was that?
We've heard those Jerry stories before.

Were none questions about the years of his shunning. The exile,
how he felt about that,
& no current perspective about his being brought
back from from the shunning and exile in
resurrection to helping with re-starting the movement.

Is the rumor true that Bevan cured Jerry's leprosy?  Bev thot it a good idea an 
he brought him back to help?  Or was it
someone else who licked the gaping wounds clean enough
for Jerry to come out in public?

Is there, a director's-cut to the interview coming out?

The other half of the interview? 

-Waiting for 'the rest of the story'.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis interview on the Radio

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> > 
> > What is the Dharma Foundation?
> 
> http://www.dharmafoundation.org/
>
Thanks, got it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis interview on the Radio

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> 
> What is the Dharma Foundation?

http://www.dharmafoundation.org/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis interview on the Radio

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ken Chawkin 
> Date: Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:45 PM
> Subject: Jerry Jarvis on KRUU-LP 100.1 FM Thursday, May 27 at 12:30pm and 
> 6:30pm
> To: Friends News Group 
> 
> 
> 
> Message from Dennis Raimondi: My interview with Jerry Jarvis will be 
> broadcast tomorrow, thurs may 27, at 12:30 pm Central Time and again at 6:30 
> pm CST. You can listen by going to www.kruufm.com and clicking - listen live. 
> Please let folks know.
> 
> -
> From: James Edward Moore 
> 
> Join Speaking Freely host Dennis Raimondi on KRUU-LP 100.1 FM Thursday, May 
> 27 at 12:30pm and 6:30pm for a special interview with Jerry Jarvis. 
> 
> Mr. Jarvis served as personal secretary to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and is a 
> past National Leader of the Transcendental Meditation Movement. Streaming at 
> www.kruufm.com  . The Dharma Foundation benefit 
> Saturday night at MUM's Dalby Hall will feature a live hookup with Mr. Jarvis.

What is the Dharma Foundation?
> 
> Speaking Freely airs Tuesdays at 1pm CST. Past archives available at 
> http://kruufm.com/station/archives/34. KRUU-FM, home of the 1st and only 
> solar-powered radio station in the Midwest.
> 
> -- 
> Station Manager
> KRUU-LP 100.1 FM
> 'The Voice of Fairfield, Iowa... and Beyond'
> Home of the 1st Solar-powered Radio Station in the Midwest
> 405 N. 2nd Street
> Fairfield, IA  52556
> www.kruufm.com  
> 
> We put the unity in community
> 
> 
> "You never change things by fighting the existing reality.  To change 
> something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."
> 
> --- R. Buckminster Fuller
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Prarie dogs (Cynomys) are burrowing rodents (not actually dogs) native to the 
grasslands of North America. There are five different species of prairie dogs: 
black-tailed, white-tailed, Gunnison, Utah, and Mexican prairie dogs. They are 
a type of ground squirrel. On average, these stout-bodied rodents will grow to 
be between 30–40 centimetres (12–16 in) long, including the short tail and 
weigh between 0.5–1.5 kilograms (1–3 lb). They are found in the United States, 
Canada, and Mexico. In Mexico, prarie dogs are primarily found in the northern 
states which are the southern end of the great plains: northeastern Sonora, 
north and northeastern Chihuahua, northern Coahuila, northern Nuevo León, and 
northern Tamaulipas; in the U.S., they range primarily west of the Mississippi 
River, though they have also been introduced in a few eastern locales. They 
will eat all sorts of vegetables and fruits.

Go Figure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Why would I be upset, - I'm not Tejano.
> > >
> Joe:
> > Maybe so, but you're the one eating prarie 
> > dogs. You're just not making any sense today 
> > Tex.
> > 
> What is a 'prarie' dog anyway? You're not
> making any sense.
> 
> > Go Figure.
> > 
> Well, I figure you're the one upset, because 
> you're the TB that spent thousands of dollars 
> learning how to be a TM Teacher, and years and 
> years working for the Yogi. 
> 
> But, why blame it on the Tejanos? That's what I 
> can't figure out. Why are some TM Teachers so
> prejudiced? It just doesn't make any sense.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > Why would I be upset, - I'm not Tejano.
> >
Joe:
> Maybe so, but you're the one eating prarie 
> dogs. You're just not making any sense today 
> Tex.
> 
What is a 'prarie' dog anyway? You're not
making any sense.

> Go Figure.
> 
Well, I figure you're the one upset, because 
you're the TB that spent thousands of dollars 
learning how to be a TM Teacher, and years and 
years working for the Yogi. 

But, why blame it on the Tejanos? That's what I 
can't figure out. Why are some TM Teachers so
prejudiced? It just doesn't make any sense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Maybe so, but you're the one eating prarie dogs. You're just not making any 
sense today Tex.

Go Figure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Not all Tejanos live under bridges 
> > > and eat prairie dogs.
> > >
> Joe:
> > Maybe so, but you're the one who seems 
> > angry and annoyed Tex.
> > 
> Why would I be upset, - I'm not Tejano.
> Not all Texans are Hispanic. But, you're 
> obviously prejudiced against Texans. 
> 
> Go figure.
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > Not all Tejanos live under bridges 
> > and eat prairie dogs.
> >
Joe:
> Maybe so, but you're the one who seems 
> angry and annoyed Tex.
> 
Why would I be upset, - I'm not Tejano.
Not all Texans are Hispanic. But, you're 
obviously prejudiced against Texans. 

Go figure.

"Mexico is now more violent than Iraq. The 
unrest is spilling across the borders. The 
old shrill argument that criminals, drug 
smugglers, and violence in general are 
spreading into the American southwest from 
Mexico is no longer quite so shrill..."

Read more:

'How Could They Do That in Arizona!'
By Victor Davis Hanson
Pajamas Media, April 27th, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/22vht78

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Maybe so, but you're the one who seems angry and annoyed Tex.

Go figure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Trolls live under bridges, in Texas so 
> > > do Illegal Aliens...
> > >
> Bhairitu:
> > I think all those prairie dogs he ate are 
> > catching up with him and their prions are 
> > eating away his brain...
> >
> You don't have to get so angry and annoyed, 
> Barry2. Not all Tejanos live under bridges 
> and eat prairie dogs. California has the most
> illegal aliens of any state in the U.S.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > Trolls live under bridges, in Texas so 
> > do Illegal Aliens...
> >
Bhairitu:
> I think all those prairie dogs he ate are 
> catching up with him and their prions are 
> eating away his brain...
>
You don't have to get so angry and annoyed, 
Barry2. Not all Tejanos live under bridges 
and eat prairie dogs. California has the most
illegal aliens of any state in the U.S.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've
> > said, I understand. I was agitated when I first heard
> > about it myself way back when.
> >
Judy:
> He's a flak generator, otherwise known as a troll. He
> particularly likes to throw up flak about movement
> history. He fondly envisions himself as a sort of "crazy
> wisdom" guy who forces folks to confront their 
> assumptions by making contradictory or inane statements.
> He's just not very good at the "wisdom" part. 
> 
My job is not to answer questions, but to question answers.
I'll leave the 'wisdom' statements to you and Barry Wright.

> Don't waste your time.
>
Good point!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>
> On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>> The only reason Willy posts here is to be annoying. I can't even recall
>> when he ever started a topic. He just posts non-sequitur replies to
>> topics to just annoy folks.
>
>
> Trolls live under bridges, in Texas so do Illegal Aliens. Need I say 
> any more? It's only a matter of time till Ricardo Guillermo is 
> deported back to wherever he came from. I always figured the reason he 
> made so many non sequiturs was because he just doesn't have a good 
> command of English.
>
>
>

I think all those prairie dogs he ate are catching up with him and their 
prions are eating away his brain.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> 
> ok
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you serious Lurk? Why don't I just say it? How about the feelings
> of the person involved? There are several here who know what and who I
> am talking about. If I told you, you would be extremely unhappy about
> both the events and the fact that I had "outed" the person against her
> wishes. Sono it stops here for now.
> >
> > Read Judith Bourke's book when it comes out. Also, I highly recommend
> reading Nancy Cook de Herrera's book which I just did again for the
> first time in several years. It really captures first hand what it was
> like to be a part of the growth of the movement in the early 60s and
> what it was like to be in on the great "phase transition"...the good and
> the bad...in the mid 70s.

Sounds like the housing and internet bubbles. Bubbles usually associated with 
investments. But each individuals invest their time, seeking the high promised 
returns of being on the ground floor of the phase change, and resulting new 
order. The value of the future investment (of time) is so high, some invested 
all there time on it. When the bubble bursts, these time investors are left 
strewn among the rubble -- at least for a while. And 10-20 years their college 
peers in careers, etc. 


> >
> > Read. Learn.
> > -
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
> steve.sundur@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I
> > > understand. I was agitated when I first heard about it myself way
> back
> > > when. However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider
> > > information coming from several sources, Joe, I for one don't care
> if he
> > > had sexual relations or not. I am not unnerved by it, but ...one of
> > > whom would really fry your brain if you knew. this type of
> innuendo
> > > is a little weak (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain
> > > anonymous until she chooses to say something on her own.)
> > > >
> > > > By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy. If you've got
> something
> > > to say, why don't you just say it, instead of saying, "if you only
> knew,
> > > if you only knew". Well if you know, tell us! And if you are not
> going
> > > to tell us, then maybe get off the high horse a little, as the
> "silent
> > > authority" on the matter.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" willytex@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like
> > > > > > > that.
> > > > > Joe:
> > > > > > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple
> > > > > > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You
> > > > > > don't want this to compute since you would short
> > > > > > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as
> > > > > > a possibility.
> > > > > >
> > > > > So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> > > > > company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> > > > > no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> > > > > at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> > > > > guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> > > > > feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> > > > > sense.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex?
> 
Maybe so, Joe, but the rumor I get most agitated 
by is the 'Mahesh Yogi murdered his Guru' rumor. 
When I first read this on Usenet, I thought it 
was a joke.

'Conspiracy Theories - The Cook Did It!'
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/shantanand3.htm

But, apparently there are at least two informants 
on FFL that actually believe it, and one of them 
supports the 'Mahesh Had Sex' rumor, so I guess 
you could consider the source. 

> As I've said, I understand. I was agitated when 
> I first heard about it myself way back when. 
> However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse 
> to consider information coming from several 
> sources, one of whom would really fry your 
> brain if you knew. 
>
It just doesn't make any sense. Go figure.

> (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain 
> anonymous until she chooses to say something on 
> her own.)
>
Well, at least you have the common decency to
not reveal her name, unlike some skin-boys I
know. But, that doesn't explain why you and the 
skin-boys are so interested in other people's 
private life, hanging outside his bedroom door
all night.

> By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy.
>
My guess is that the Maharishi probably got
seduced by women almost every day, from 1935
until his death, if what Turq says is true. I 
mean, the Mahesh was a powerhouse with women!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

Vaj:
> Trolls live under bridges, in Texas so 
> do Illegal Aliens...
>
Now this post has class!

Not all 'trolls' live under bridges, Vaj, 
and not all illegal aliens are Hispanic. 

Why are you so prejudice against Tejanos? 

They are Caucasion people just like you 
are. You said you were opposed to the 
caste system, based on birth circumstances. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> I can't even recall when he ever started 
> a topic... 
> 
Don't get me started. I've already 
asked you please not to feed it. I've 
got over 8,000 posts on Usenet, some 
of which are very interesting and 
informative, if I say so myself. 

While you were posting one-liners 
that start with RE: and begin and end 
on one line, I wrote a whole book!

"jus b reg 2 x y med, ne alt sans
3 guns, seps abs, n' i's-wide shut;
nodoze, no bear down, u-jus n joy,
else." - (Wallah Sutra 1.5) 

Usenet Archives:
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Vaj]

On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

The only reason Willy posts here is to be annoying. I can't even  
recall

when he ever started a topic. He just posts non-sequitur replies to
topics to just annoy folks.



Trolls live under bridges, in Texas so do Illegal Aliens. Need I say  
any more? It's only a matter of time till Ricardo Guillermo is  
deported back to wherever he came from. I always figured the reason  
he made so many non sequiturs was because he just doesn't have a good  
command of English.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

ok


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
>
> Are you serious Lurk? Why don't I just say it? How about the feelings
of the person involved? There are several here who know what and who I
am talking about. If I told you, you would be extremely unhappy about
both the events and the fact that I had "outed" the person against her
wishes. Sono it stops here for now.
>
> Read Judith Bourke's book when it comes out. Also, I highly recommend
reading Nancy Cook de Herrera's book which I just did again for the
first time in several years. It really captures first hand what it was
like to be a part of the growth of the movement in the early 60s and
what it was like to be in on the great "phase transition"...the good and
the bad...in the mid 70s.
>
> Read. Learn.
> -
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I
> > understand. I was agitated when I first heard about it myself way
back
> > when. However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider
> > information coming from several sources, Joe, I for one don't care
if he
> > had sexual relations or not. I am not unnerved by it, but ...one of
> > whom would really fry your brain if you knew. this type of
innuendo
> > is a little weak (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain
> > anonymous until she chooses to say something on her own.)
> > >
> > > By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy. If you've got
something
> > to say, why don't you just say it, instead of saying, "if you only
knew,
> > if you only knew". Well if you know, tell us! And if you are not
going
> > to tell us, then maybe get off the high horse a little, as the
"silent
> > authority" on the matter.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" willytex@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like
> > > > > > that.
> > > > Joe:
> > > > > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple
> > > > > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You
> > > > > don't want this to compute since you would short
> > > > > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as
> > > > > a possibility.
> > > > >
> > > > So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> > > > company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> > > > no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> > > > at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> > > > guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> > > > feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> > > > sense.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> 
> Are you serious Lurk? Why don't I just say it? How about
> the feelings of the person involved?  There are several
> here who know what and who I am talking about. If I told
> you, you would be extremely unhappy about both the events
> and the fact that I had "outed" the person against her
> wishes. Sono it stops here for now.

You're not getting it, Joe. Folks who *don't* already
know are now mentally going over all the movement women
they can think of who might qualify for the "fry your
brains if you knew" level, almost certainly including
the woman in question (how many could there be at that
level?). Maybe some will even figure it out. Maybe
they'll ask somebody else who does know. And then tell
their friends.

This woman's privacy was more secure before you spoke up.
Now, to many readers here, she's a known unknown; before,
she was an unknown unknown. That's a significant change
in status, for which you're responsible. Now she's only
one step away from exposure; before, it was two.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Are you serious Lurk? Why don't I just say it? How about the feelings of the 
person involved?  There are several here who know what and who I am talking 
about. If I told you, you would be extremely unhappy about both the events and 
the fact that I had "outed" the person against her wishes. Sono it stops 
here for now.

Read Judith Bourke's book when it comes out. Also, I highly recommend reading 
Nancy Cook de Herrera's book which I just did again for the first time in 
several years. It really captures first hand what it was like to be a part of 
the growth of the movement in the early 60s and what it was like to be in on 
the great "phase transition"...the good and the bad...in the mid 70s.

Read. Learn.
-
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I
> understand. I was agitated when I first heard about it myself way back
> when. However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider
> information coming from several sources, Joe, I for one don't care if he
> had sexual relations or not.  I am not unnerved by it, but ...one of
> whom would really fry your brain if you knew. this type of innuendo
> is a little weak (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain
> anonymous until she chooses to say something on her own.)
> >
> > By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy.  If you've got something
> to say, why don't you just say it, instead of saying, "if you only knew,
> if you only knew".  Well if you know, tell us!  And if you are not going
> to tell us, then maybe get off the high horse a little, as the "silent
> authority" on the matter.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" willytex@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like
> > > > > that.
> > > Joe:
> > > > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple
> > > > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You
> > > > don't want this to compute since you would short
> > > > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as
> > > > a possibility.
> > > >
> > > So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> > > company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> > > no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> > > at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> > > guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> > > feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> > > sense.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
>
> This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I
understand. I was agitated when I first heard about it myself way back
when. However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider
information coming from several sources, Joe, I for one don't care if he
had sexual relations or not.  I am not unnerved by it, but ...one of
whom would really fry your brain if you knew. this type of innuendo
is a little weak (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain
anonymous until she chooses to say something on her own.)
>
> By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy.  If you've got something
to say, why don't you just say it, instead of saying, "if you only knew,
if you only knew".  Well if you know, tell us!  And if you are not going
to tell us, then maybe get off the high horse a little, as the "silent
authority" on the matter.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" willytex@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like
> > > > that.
> > Joe:
> > > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple
> > > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You
> > > don't want this to compute since you would short
> > > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as
> > > a possibility.
> > >
> > So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> > company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> > no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> > at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> > guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> > feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> > sense.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Yeah, I know he's a troll and I should know better than to interactother 
than to imitate him in responses back to him. (Kind of a minor guilty pleasure. 
Very minor...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > 
> > This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've
> > said, I understand. I was agitated when I first heard
> > about it myself way back when.
> 
> Joe...this is not the first he's heard the allegations,
> not by a long shot. You're getting his standard response.
> He's a flak generator, otherwise known as a troll. He
> particularly likes to throw up flak about movement
> history. He fondly envisions himself as a sort of "crazy
> wisdom" guy who forces folks to confront their 
> assumptions by making contradictory or inane statements.
> He's just not very good at the "wisdom" part. Don't waste
> your time.
> 
> > However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider
> > information coming from several sources, one of whom would
> > really fry your brain if you knew. (Out of respect for her
> > privacy, she will remain anonymous until she chooses to say 
> > something on her own.)
> 
> BTW, this immediately inspires people to start speculating
> about who it could be, thereby casting suspicion on all
> sorts of prominent movement women, probably including the
> one you have in mind.
> 
> If you want to protect her privacy, STFU about her. It looks
> like all you're really doing is boasting about your insider
> knowledge.
> 
>  
> > By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like 
> > > > > that.
> > > Joe:
> > > > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple 
> > > > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You 
> > > > don't want this to compute since you would short 
> > > > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as 
> > > > a possibility.
> > > > 
> > > So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> > > company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> > > no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> > > at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> > > guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> > > feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> > > sense.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> 
> This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've
> said, I understand. I was agitated when I first heard
> about it myself way back when.

Joe...this is not the first he's heard the allegations,
not by a long shot. You're getting his standard response.
He's a flak generator, otherwise known as a troll. He
particularly likes to throw up flak about movement
history. He fondly envisions himself as a sort of "crazy
wisdom" guy who forces folks to confront their 
assumptions by making contradictory or inane statements.
He's just not very good at the "wisdom" part. Don't waste
your time.

> However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider
> information coming from several sources, one of whom would
> really fry your brain if you knew. (Out of respect for her
> privacy, she will remain anonymous until she chooses to say 
> something on her own.)

BTW, this immediately inspires people to start speculating
about who it could be, thereby casting suspicion on all
sorts of prominent movement women, probably including the
one you have in mind.

If you want to protect her privacy, STFU about her. It looks
like all you're really doing is boasting about your insider
knowledge.

 
> By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like 
> > > > that.
> > Joe:
> > > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple 
> > > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You 
> > > don't want this to compute since you would short 
> > > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as 
> > > a possibility.
> > > 
> > So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> > company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> > no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> > at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> > guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> > feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> > sense.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I understand. I 
was agitated when I first heard about it myself way back when. However, I 
didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider information coming from 
several sources, one of whom would really fry your brain if you knew. (Out of 
respect for her privacy, she will remain anonymous until she chooses to say 
something on her own.)

By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like 
> > > that.
> Joe:
> > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple 
> > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You 
> > don't want this to compute since you would short 
> > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as 
> > a possibility.
> > 
> So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> sense.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul
> >
Bhairitu:
> The only reason Willy posts here is to be annoying.  
> I can't even recall when he ever started a topic. 
> He just posts non-sequitur replies to topics to just 
> annoy folks.
> 
Non sequitur.

1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow 
from the premises or evidence.

2. A statement that does not follow logically from 
what preceded it.

The term non sequitur literally means "it does not 
follow". 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like 
> > that.
Joe:
> Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple 
> reason that you do not want it to make sense. You 
> don't want this to compute since you would short 
> circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as 
> a possibility.
> 
So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
guess is that you've never been within a thousand
feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
sense.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Bhairitu]

The only reason Willy posts here is to be annoying.  I can't even recall 
when he ever started a topic. He just posts  non-sequitur replies to 
topics to just annoy folks.

Joe wrote:
> Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple reason that you do not want 
> it to make sense. You don't want this to compute since you would short 
> circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as a possibility.
>
> As you so often saygo figure.
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple reason that you do not want it 
to make sense. You don't want this to compute since you would short circuit if 
you allowed yourself to allow this as a possibility.

As you so often saygo figure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > ...how do you not get someone pregnant during this time?
> > >
> Judy:
> > Maybe the women, or most of them, used birth control, and
> > it was just luck with those who didn't? Maybe he was 
> > careful to pull out...
> >
> Maybe. And maybe he never 'put it in'; maybe he preferred 
> 'fellatio'; or maybe he got a body 'massage'. Who knows? 
> Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like that. 
> 
> But, how could you NOT get caught, *at least once*, in over
> fifteen years, with a couple of horny boys in suits, 
> hanging outside your unlocked, bedroon door, 24/7? 
> 
> It doesn't make any sense! 
> 
> What I've read, so far, at least from the skin-boy 'door 
> stops', is nothing more than bowling alley type 'locker 
> talk' speculation, with no eyewitness details at all.
>  
> Apparently Judith's book isn't published yet, and Linda 
> isn't talking! (Alex Mardas and John Lennon are known 
> liars.) So, it still doesn't make any sense.
> 
> You'd think, that in 'fifteen years' of supposed activity, 
> at least one young buck would have caught him in the act. 
> 
> But, apparently even Connie Larsson, 'God's Little Clown', 
> who claims to have been his 'private secretary' and who 
> 'travelled with him everywhere – day and night', from 1969 
> to 1975, would have seen SOMETHING, would you not? 
> 
> It just doesn't seem in character for a person like Connie 
> to NOT report such, seeing as how Connie was the primary 
> informant in the Satya Sai Baba expose! 
> 
> And, Tom Anderson, (Sudarsha), his TTC 'manager' in 
> Majorrca, Spain, and in Fuiggi, Italy, and Noida, India, 
> from 1975 to 1980, who was so close that he even once saw 
> his official Indian passport, doesn't report anything like 
> that at all on Usenet. Go figure.
> 
> Hell, even Steven Perino, who scoured the net for years
> looking for dirt on the 'Little MishMashy Old Man', didn't 
> have anything to report about this.
> 
> One thing is fer sure, somebody is lying. What does his 
> biographer have to say about this, I wonder - his comment
> is a '404 - page not found'. Now, go figure that one!
> 
> 'Sex Allegations'
> http://tinyurl.com/22qgehj
> 
> Works cited:
> 
> Subject: Re: Erotic Dreams and Gurus
> Author: ColdBluICE
> Newsgroups: alt.yogananda, alt.yoga, 
> alt.paranormal, alt.meditation.transcendental, 
> alt.religion.hindu
> Date: July 17, 2002
> http://tinyurl.com/2clqgh2
> 
> Subject: One for the Sudarsha
> Author: Kurt Arbuckle
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Date: August 20, 2000
> http://tinyurl.com/2ed8s5q
> 
> Read more: 
> 
> 'God's Little Clown'
> http://tinyurl.com/383la3g
> 
> TM-Free Blog:
> http://tinyurl.com/28dgw3m
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > ...how do you not get someone pregnant during this time?
> >
Judy:
> Maybe the women, or most of them, used birth control, and
> it was just luck with those who didn't? Maybe he was 
> careful to pull out...
>
Maybe. And maybe he never 'put it in'; maybe he preferred 
'fellatio'; or maybe he got a body 'massage'. Who knows? 
Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like that. 

But, how could you NOT get caught, *at least once*, in over
fifteen years, with a couple of horny boys in suits, 
hanging outside your unlocked, bedroon door, 24/7? 

It doesn't make any sense! 

What I've read, so far, at least from the skin-boy 'door 
stops', is nothing more than bowling alley type 'locker 
talk' speculation, with no eyewitness details at all.
 
Apparently Judith's book isn't published yet, and Linda 
isn't talking! (Alex Mardas and John Lennon are known 
liars.) So, it still doesn't make any sense.

You'd think, that in 'fifteen years' of supposed activity, 
at least one young buck would have caught him in the act. 

But, apparently even Connie Larsson, 'God's Little Clown', 
who claims to have been his 'private secretary' and who 
'travelled with him everywhere – day and night', from 1969 
to 1975, would have seen SOMETHING, would you not? 

It just doesn't seem in character for a person like Connie 
to NOT report such, seeing as how Connie was the primary 
informant in the Satya Sai Baba expose! 

And, Tom Anderson, (Sudarsha), his TTC 'manager' in 
Majorrca, Spain, and in Fuiggi, Italy, and Noida, India, 
from 1975 to 1980, who was so close that he even once saw 
his official Indian passport, doesn't report anything like 
that at all on Usenet. Go figure.

Hell, even Steven Perino, who scoured the net for years
looking for dirt on the 'Little MishMashy Old Man', didn't 
have anything to report about this.

One thing is fer sure, somebody is lying. What does his 
biographer have to say about this, I wonder - his comment
is a '404 - page not found'. Now, go figure that one!

'Sex Allegations'
http://tinyurl.com/22qgehj

Works cited:

Subject: Re: Erotic Dreams and Gurus
Author: ColdBluICE
Newsgroups: alt.yogananda, alt.yoga, 
alt.paranormal, alt.meditation.transcendental, 
alt.religion.hindu
Date: July 17, 2002
http://tinyurl.com/2clqgh2

Subject: One for the Sudarsha
Author: Kurt Arbuckle
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: August 20, 2000
http://tinyurl.com/2ed8s5q

Read more: 

'God's Little Clown'
http://tinyurl.com/383la3g

TM-Free Blog:
http://tinyurl.com/28dgw3m

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 25, 2010, at 12:16 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > The guy napped on his sofa all the time sitting up which is one of  
> > the coolest things I learned in TM myself. (Always freaks out my  
> > girlfriend!
> 
> 
> Are you saying you witnessed MMY napping in seated position? Just out  
> of curiosity was he in upright position (i.e. cross legged) or  
> reclining backwards (lazy boy style)?

The guy who setup his bed told me that he liked it shortsheeted because he 
slept sitting up. From that time on I always assumed when he would close his 
eyes for long periods of time on the sofa he was catching a few.   I could be 
wrong.  But since even I have this skill from meditating I think it is a good 
bet!


>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[ditzyklanmail]

You guys forgot a couple: 
Sometimes men can be sterile or have vasectomy's too.

Now if you have some David Lynch footage, That could be pretty interesting.
I may care enough to take notice. lol.








From: lurkernomore20002000 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 26 April, 2010 10:48:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

  

--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> 
> Who is to say he didn't father someone? I don't know that he did, I'm just 
> asking since you present this as if it's some kind of proof that these things 
> did not happen. I figured this would hit a nerve.  To me it's a logical 
> question.  To  you, it's an indication that I believe it didn't  happen.  I 
> am just trying to reconcile the various accounts.  Maybe he has a love child 
> some where.  At some point it usually gets revealed. i.e Jesse Helms.  Could 
> it possibly be Tony Nader?  He's probably about 10 years too old.  Would have 
> to be someone who is about 35-40, I would guess.
> 
> They happened.  Did you witness it first hand?  And if so, what's your story?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "lurkernomore200020 00" steve.sundur@ 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > "I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex," said 34-year-old Mrs
> > Pearce. "He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make my
> > life so good,' he told me. "When I asked about his celibacy he said:
> > 'There are exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant manipulator. I
> > just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly.
> > And I don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was
> > pregnant by him."
> > 
> > 
> > I have said previously that it really makes no difference to me one way
> > or the other about his sexual escapades. But if he was sexually active
> > for fifteen years or so, and had these women under his spell, and
> > therefore probably got sex whenever, wherever he wanted, how do you not
> > get someone pregnant during this time? And I don't hear about anyone
> > getting an abortion
> >
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
>
> Who is to say he didn't father someone? I don't know that he did, I'm
just asking since you present this as if it's some kind of proof that
these things did not happen.  I figured this would hit a nerve.  To me
it's a logical question.  To  you, it's an indication that I believe it
didn't  happen.  I am just trying to reconcile the various accounts. 
Maybe he has a love child some where.  At some point it usually gets
revealed. i.e Jesse Helms.  Could it possibly be Tony Nader?  He's
probably about 10 years too old.  Would have to be someone who is about
35-40, I would guess.
>
> They happened.  Did you witness it first hand?  And if so, what's your
story?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > "I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex," said 34-year-old Mrs
> > Pearce. "He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make
my
> > life so good,' he told me. "When I asked about his celibacy he said:
> > 'There are exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant
manipulator. I
> > just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
regularly.
> > And I don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was
> > pregnant by him."
> >
> >
> > I have said previously that it really makes no difference to me one
way
> > or the other about his sexual escapades. But if he was sexually
active
> > for fifteen years or so, and had these women under his spell, and
> > therefore probably got sex whenever, wherever he wanted, how do you
not
> > get someone pregnant during this time? And I don't hear about anyone
> > getting an abortion
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Who is to say he didn't father someone? I don't know that he did, I'm just 
asking since you present this as if it's some kind of proof that these things 
did not happen.

They happened.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> 
>   "I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex," said 34-year-old Mrs
> Pearce. "He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make my
> life so good,' he told me. "When I asked about his celibacy he said:
> 'There are exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant manipulator. I
> just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly.
> And I don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was
> pregnant by him."
> 
> 
> I have said previously that it really makes no difference to me one way
> or the other about his sexual escapades.   But if he was sexually active
> for fifteen years or so, and had these women under his spell, and
> therefore probably got sex whenever, wherever he wanted,  how do you not
> get someone pregnant during this time?  And I don't hear about anyone
> getting an abortion
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> Maybe the women, or most of them, used birth control, and
> it was just luck with those who didn't? Maybe he was careful
> to pull out? (Not very dependable, but it reduces the
> chances.) Or maybe there were abortions that were kept really
> quiet.

Well, he sure didn't get high marks as a lover from those with whom he was said 
to be having affairs. But maybe he was more sophisticated lover than he is 
being portrayed.  I admit the whole notion of M being a lover strikes me as 
funny.  

On the one hand, he he said to be a real bungler in bed.  On the other hand he 
said to be a sly manipulator who is able to get what he wants sexually from 
these women.  

The two just seems at odds with one another. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Bhairitu]

I keep hearing this song when I see the topic title.

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Jerry Jarvis is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Jerry Jarvis is coming to town
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Jerry Jarvis is coming to town
Jerry Jarvis is coming to town

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
> 
>   "I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex," said 34-year-
> old Mrs Pearce. "He said he loved me and that I was the only 
> one. 'You make my life so good,' he told me. "When I asked
> about his celibacy he said: 'There are exceptions to every
> rule.' He was a brilliant manipulator. I just couldn't see
> that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. And I
> don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was
> pregnant by him."
> 
> I have said previously that it really makes no difference
> to me one way or the other about his sexual escapades. But
> if he was sexually active for fifteen years or so, and had
> these women under his spell, and therefore probably got sex 
> whenever, wherever he wanted, how do you not get someone
> pregnant during this time?  And I don't hear about anyone
> getting an abortion

Maybe the women, or most of them, used birth control, and
it was just luck with those who didn't? Maybe he was careful
to pull out? (Not very dependable, but it reduces the
chances.) Or maybe there were abortions that were kept really
quiet.

Hmmm. You don't suppose there could be...naah.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

  "I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex," said 34-year-old Mrs
Pearce. "He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make my
life so good,' he told me. "When I asked about his celibacy he said:
'There are exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant manipulator. I
just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly.
And I don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was
pregnant by him."


I have said previously that it really makes no difference to me one way
or the other about his sexual escapades.   But if he was sexually active
for fifteen years or so, and had these women under his spell, and
therefore probably got sex whenever, wherever he wanted,  how do you not
get someone pregnant during this time?  And I don't hear about anyone
getting an abortion

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

That is funny.  Thanks for sharing that.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail  wrote:
>
> Field of all possibilities
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: lurkernomore20002000 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 26 April, 2010 7:57:08 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!
> 
>   
> "WillyTex"  wrote:
> 
> > So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> > have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> > celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> > with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> > sexual relations for the next fifty years? 
> 
> I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point.  I 
> guess we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and 
> then turned that expression off?  I don't believe it usually works that way, 
> but I guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to 
> say, either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage 
> or destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other 
> possibilities?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Vaj]

On Apr 26, 2010, at 3:48 PM, WillyTex wrote:

> > > So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> > > have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> > > celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> > > with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> > > sexual relations for the next fifty years? 
> > >
> lurk:
> > I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it 
> > is a good point... 
> >
> Unless you might consider that the Maharishi was a 
> 'Tantric Yogi', and maybe the Trungpa, the Sogyal, and 
> the Prakash, were Tantics too. But, unlike the Tantras, 
> you'd not want to be having sexual relations with 
> someone underage, right? 
> 
> There seem to be at least three respondents on this 
> forum, maybe more, that make various claims to being 
> Tantric Yogis, of one sort or another. So, I wonder why 
> some people put the Maharishi up on a pedestal? And 
> ignore their own sexual proclivites. 
> 
> Aren't they spiritual teachers, just like the Maharishi, 
> Trungpa, the Sogyal, and the Prakash. Or, are all of 
> these informants just normal men and women with ordinary 
> sexual appetites? What makes it wrong for one person, 
> to engage, and not for the others? Haven't all the 
> respondents on FFL been acting, at some time or another, 
> like Tantrics? What is a Tantric anyway? 

Certainly not a Lecherishi.


MAHARISHI: I am a single person. I'm a Purusha. I'm a -- what do you call it -- 
Sannyasi, if you understand the word. I'm a monk, if you understand it...

LARRY KING: You're a bachelor.

MAHARISHI: ... monk.

KING: Do you have special diets that you eat?

MAHARISHI: I think that diet that I eat, everyone eats the same thing -- some 
rice, some dal, some chapatis, something vegetables. But I like this organic, 
organic. I recommend to people organic agriculture -- Vedic organic 
agriculture. Huge amount of scientific research has shown that with the Vedic 
hymns, with the Vedic melodies, the nutrients grow in the trees very much in 
the fruits, in the crops, in the vegetables.

 May 12, 2002

A Young mother who became a top disciple of the Beatles' former guru, Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi, claims he seduced her -- although he professes to be a celibate 
monk. After travelling to India to join the Transcendental Meditation movement, 
Mrs Linda Pearce says she fell completely under the Maharishi's spell. And then 
into his bed. "I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex," said 34-year-old Mrs 
Pearce. "He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make my life so 
good,' he told me. "When I asked about his celibacy he said: 'There are 
exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant manipulator. I just couldn't see 
that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. And I don't think I was 
the only girl. At one stage I thought I was pregnant by him."

- Sexy romps of the Beatle's giggling guru

'I gave my mind to the Maharishi and he took my body' 

News of the World, UK/August 23, 1981 
By David Mertens

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[WillyTex]

> > So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> > have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> > celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> > with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> > sexual relations for the next fifty years? 
> >
lurk:
> I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it 
> is a good point... 
>
Unless you might consider that the Maharishi was a 
'Tantric Yogi', and maybe the Trungpa, the Sogyal, and 
the Prakash, were Tantics too. But, unlike the Tantras, 
you'd not want to be having sexual relations with 
someone underage, right? 

There seem to be at least three respondents on this 
forum, maybe more, that make various claims to being 
Tantric Yogis, of one sort or another. So, I wonder why 
some people put the Maharishi up on a pedestal? And 
ignore their own sexual proclivites. 

Aren't they spiritual teachers, just like the Maharishi, 
Trungpa, the Sogyal, and the Prakash. Or, are all of 
these informants just normal men and women with ordinary 
sexual appetites? What makes it wrong for one person, 
to engage, and not for the others? Haven't all the 
respondents on FFL been acting, at some time or another, 
like Tantrics? What is a Tantric anyway? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[ditzyklanmail]

Field of all possibilities
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg






From: lurkernomore20002000 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 26 April, 2010 7:57:08 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

  
"WillyTex"  wrote:

> So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> sexual relations for the next fifty years? 

I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point.  I guess 
we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and then 
turned that expression off?  I don't believe it usually works that way, but I 
guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to say, 
either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage or 
destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other 
possibilities? 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[ditzyklanmail]

Field of all possibilities
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg






From: lurkernomore20002000 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 26 April, 2010 7:57:08 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

  
"WillyTex"  wrote:

> So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> sexual relations for the next fifty years? 

I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point.  I guess 
we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and then 
turned that expression off?  I don't believe it usually works that way, but I 
guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to say, 
either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage or 
destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other 
possibilities? 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[ditzyklanmail]

Field of all possibilities
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg






From: lurkernomore20002000 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 26 April, 2010 7:57:08 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

  
"WillyTex"  wrote:

> So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> sexual relations for the next fifty years? 

I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point.  I guess 
we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and then 
turned that expression off?  I don't believe it usually works that way, but I 
guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to say, 
either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage or 
destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other 
possibilities? 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[tartbrain]

Just a thought, but it seems 76, 77 ish forward, he had a different "entourage" 
and door personnel. Less gabby. More dedicated / fanatical. Perhaps  tighter 
controls and discreetness. And more bundled up in Seelisberg -- less living in 
resort hotels. (a stretch -- but being resort hotels, particularly Mallorca, 
probably the walls were soaked in sex vibes. Perhaps an influence. Maybe two 
deerskins were necessary.)

And the silk walls. I don't recall that in Mallorca. Came later? As a means for 
more protection from the environment?  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> "WillyTex"  wrote:
> 
> > So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> > have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> > celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> > with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> > sexual relations for the next fifty years? 
> 
> I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point.  I 
> guess we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and 
> then turned that expression off?  I don't believe it usually works that way, 
> but I guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to 
> say, either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage 
> or destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other 
> possibilities?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> "WillyTex"  wrote:
> 
> > So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> > have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> > celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> > with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> > sexual relations for the next fifty years? 
> 
> I'm not sure if I get the time table,

>From all reports, WillyTex's "time table" is wildly off.
He wasn't, it seems, celibate for sixty years, nor was
his sexual activity limited to one year.

> but I think it is a good point.  I guess we would have
> to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and
> then turned that expression off?

At any rate, there don't seem to be any reports of same
after the mid-70s.

> I don't believe it usually works that way,

It doesn't.

> but I guess it could. If it did play out that way, then
> I guess you have to say, either he was experiementing,
> or that he realized that this could damage or destroy
> the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any
> other possibilities?

He was diabetic, which frequently has a very negative
effect on a man's sexual abilities. He may have reached
the point where his efforts were so unsatisfying and
embarrassing that he gave the whole thing up as a bad
job.

(This problem in male diabetics can be treated medically,
but for him to obtain such treatment, obviously he'd
have had to tell his physicians why he needed it.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> "WillyTex"  wrote:
> 
> > So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> > have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> > celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> > with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> > sexual relations for the next fifty years? 
> 
> I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good 
> point.  I guess we would have to assume that he had a period of 
> sexual activity, and then turned that expression off?  I don't 
> believe it usually works that way, but I guess it could. If it 
> did play out that way, then I guess you have to say, either he 
> was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage 
> or destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. 
> Any other possibilities?

Duh. Lack of inspiration.

In the early days of the TM movement, the majority of
the women were young, attractive, full of energy, and
wearing miniskirts and no bras.

Then the TM movement dogma took over and many of them
turned into sari- or granny dress-wearing matrons who
wouldn't invite a second look from a guy who'd been
in prison for thirty years. 

*I* had lost interest in TM movement women by the mid-
70s. As a possibility, maybe Maharishi looked around 
at what his prudish dress codes and imposed puritanical 
lifestyles had wrought and thought, "WHAT could I have
been seeing in these women?"  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

"WillyTex"  wrote:

> So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> sexual relations for the next fifty years? 

I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point.  I guess 
we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and then 
turned that expression off?  I don't believe it usually works that way, but I 
guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to say, 
either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage or 
destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other 
possibilities? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Vaj]

On Apr 25, 2010, at 12:16 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

The guy napped on his sofa all the time sitting up which is one of  
the coolest things I learned in TM myself. (Always freaks out my  
girlfriend!



Are you saying you witnessed MMY napping in seated position? Just out  
of curiosity was he in upright position (i.e. cross legged) or  
reclining backwards (lazy boy style)?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Vaj]

On Apr 25, 2010, at 8:43 PM, yifuxero wrote:

Willytex, you're not making sense. If some Tibetan Rinpoche's can  
do it, why not MMY?



I doubt MMY was instructed in the anuttara-tantras. As late as his  
Larry King interview he was claiming to be a life-long monk! And not  
all lamas with anuttara tantric permissions take a physical consort,  
some simply use a visualized consort. Anuttara-tantra practitioners  
who go on to practice Dzogchen may have no need for taking a consort.  
In any event you have to be unattached to the sexual act to really  
practice it effectively anyway, and it doesn't sound like MMY had  
that level of renunciation. The sexual yogas of the inner tantras are  
more like strenuous physical exercises than they are "love-making" or  
"western-style" imaginings about what tantra is. It's not a way to  
'get your rocks off' in an exotic eastern way. It's more about  
creating the specific conditions typically only experienced at the  
moment of death. La petite mort leveraged to be like la grand mort. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> 
> I know.Tex sounds very upset about something. Go figure.
> 

 Walmart might be out of prairie-dog ball-gags again.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[Joe]

Tex, you really are the champion of twisting words and ideas.or more often 
just blatantly lying as you are here when you don't care for the message.

Who here has suggested that MMY only had sex for one year? No one.

On the contrary, the period involved appears to have been from the early 60s 
(according to Joyce-Collins Smith in the book "Call No Man Master") to roughly 
1975.

After 1975 there has been speculation over the last couple of days that either 
the effects of diabetes or some "coaching" from Jemmima Pittman might have 
ended his exploits.

Some, like Nabby, have suggested that MMY never claimed to be celibate, that 
his change in name from "Bal Bramachari Mahesh" to MMY was the clue.

I've been re-reading Nancy Cooke's book the last few days. I had forgotten the 
section where Charlie Lutes asks MMY about the stories of his indiscretions at 
Rishikesh in 1968. Charlie reports that MMY said: "But Charlie, I am a lifetime 
celibate, I don't know anything about sensual desires."

You really cannot deal with these stories of MMY's sexual life can you Tex. 
It's obvious they disturb you. I understand. They did the same to me back when 
I first heard them in Switzerland.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> yifuxero:
> > If some Tibetan Rinpoche's can do it, why not MMY?
> > 
> Well, maybe he could, but what would be the point?
> 
> Chogyam Trungpa was a tantric and drank alcoholic to
> excess, smoked cigarettes, and screwed everyone
> except his own wife. He did this since he was nineteen
> years old. Trungpa died from riotus living at an early 
> age. The Maharishi lived for thirty years longer than 
> Trungpa, but apparently the Maharishi didn't drink 
> any alcohol or smoke.
> 
> So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> sexual relations for the next fifty years? 
> 
> It just doesn't compute because it's so out of 
> character.
>