[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya, R.G., Kumbaya

2008-07-25 Thread cardemaister

Thangs tend to be weirdly interconnected. In this case,
if Lewis Hamilton wins F1 Champion ship this year, that
could "mean" BHO's gonna be the next persident of the US of A! :D

http://www.lewishamilton.com/about



[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya, R.G., Kumbaya

2008-07-25 Thread R.G.
 
> > > > Look, I'm no big fan of McCain, but Obama?
> > > (snip)
> > > With all of this talk of the evolution of meditation, and 
dissonance
> > > and consonance;
> > > Don't you hear something in his voice that is harmonizing?
> 
> Lord Humungus from The Road Warrior had the most harmonizing voice.  
 (snip)
Who the hell is Lord Humungus?
This is beyond me.
As far as spiritually dead, most of the people are spiritually dead.
So, it's not surprising.
You're just a part very large sheep-like crowd...



[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya, R.G., Kumbaya

2008-07-25 Thread shempmcgurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G." babajii_99@ wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> > >
> > >
> > > Look, I'm no big fan of McCain, but Obama?
> > (snip)
> > With all of this talk of the evolution of meditation, and dissonance
> > and consonance;
> > Don't you hear something in his voice that is harmonizing?

Lord Humungus from The Road Warrior had the most harmonizing voice.  But
if you gave into it, you soon died.  Look to the substance and the
policies behind the voice, no?

"Be still my dog of war. I understand your pain. We've all lost someone
we love. But we do it my way! We do it my way. Fear is our ally. The
gasoline will be ours. Then you shall have your revenge."




> > Don't you get the feeling that he knows we have to come together in
> > order to get it right.

I get the feeling that he is full of shit and that he is pulling the
wool over your eyes.

His position is now virtually the same as John McCain's is regarding the
Iraq War.  Don't you think that's unfair to the 100s of thousands of
Lefties who voted for him in the primaries primarily because of his
original opposition to the war?




> > Do you have any sense of what is going on in this sick world?

There are alot of problems in this world...we don't need more by voting
in a phony.


> > Do you have any sense of real and false, Truth and Lies?



Yeah, that's why I have my doubts about the guy.


> >
> > Who would you like to see as President.
> > Did you vote for Bush twice?

I can't vote in the Unites States as I am not a citizen.


> >
> > Obama is a gift for this country.

Hey, if he makes you feel good, keep drinking his Kool-Aid.


> > Anyone who doesn't see and feel that is just spiritually dead, as
far
> > as I'm concerned.



"Spiritually dead." That's not a very nice thing to say, R. G., about
someone with whom you disagree.

Which leads me to wonder why, after having received the "gift" of Obama,
you haven't got more tolerant of people who disagree with you
politically nor developed less spitefullness?

Is this the kind of person people become once they embrace Obama?




>
> Let him apply some of that alleged spirituality to quitting smoking.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya, R.G., Kumbaya

2008-07-25 Thread R.G.
 
> > > Look, I'm no big fan of McCain, but Obama?
> > (snip)
> > With all of this talk of the evolution of meditation, and 
dissonance
> > and consonance;
> > Don't you hear something in his voice that is harmonizing?
> > Don't you get the feeling that he knows we have to come together 
in
> > order to get it right.
> > Do you have any sense of what is going on in this sick world?
> > Do you have any sense of real and false, Truth and Lies?
> >
> > Who would you like to see as President.
> > Did you vote for Bush twice?
> >
> > Obama is a gift for this country.
> > Anyone who doesn't see and feel that is just spiritually dead, as 
far
> > as I'm concerned.
> 
> Let him apply some of that alleged spirituality to quitting smoking.
>
So, smoking is your problem with him-
I see...
Well, you know, FDR smoked cigarettes; so did JFK.
Bush doesn't smoke, Condi don't smoke, Cheney don't smoke.
What the hell does smoking have to do with anything?
Besides he's quitting.
Many of the GI's looked forward to having a cig, during WWII in their 
battle against the pure evil of German Nazism.
Hitler was a vegatarian.
If that is the only thing you have against the guy,
That is really a weak argument.
I think your just a common  American racist.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread Robert Gimbel
 
> > > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who 
> wrote the 
> > > > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
> > > > > pedophile party.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This 
> has got
> > > > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its 
> amittedly
> > > > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh 
> my. We are
> > > > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of 
mind 
> here.
> > > 
> > > But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the 
> article,
> > > just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at 
Noah's 
> Ark
> > > shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so.  I 
just
> > > don't happen to agree with either of them.
> > 
> > Oh good. We now have:
> > 
> > * spiritual use of ganja, 
> > * male pedophelia (apparently shemp is WAY OK with female 
> pedophilia *
> > as long as he can watch), 
> > * murdered kittens, and 
> > *the sickos who do such. 
> > 
> > all mixed up and somehow equated or relevant to each other.
> > 
> > Wow, I am not sure how much better this can get.
> >
> 
> Mix it all together and superheat it with a dollop of global 
warming?
>

Well, we could all go to Florida, and demand a recount of the votes 
for Al...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > > wrote:
> > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who 
wrote the 
> > > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
> > > > pedophile party.
> > > 
> > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This 
has got
> > > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its 
amittedly
> > > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh 
my. We are
> > > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind 
here.
> > 
> > But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the 
article,
> > just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's 
Ark
> > shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so.  I just
> > don't happen to agree with either of them.
> 
> Oh good. We now have:
> 
> * spiritual use of ganja, 
> * male pedophelia (apparently shemp is WAY OK with female 
pedophilia *
> as long as he can watch), 
> * murdered kittens, and 
> *the sickos who do such. 
> 
> all mixed up and somehow equated or relevant to each other.
> 
> Wow, I am not sure how much better this can get.
>

Mix it all together and superheat it with a dollop of global warming?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the 
> > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
> > > pedophile party.
> > 
> > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got
> > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly
> > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are
> > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here.
> 
> But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the article,
> just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's Ark
> shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so.  I just
> don't happen to agree with either of them.

Oh good. We now have:

* spiritual use of ganja, 
* male pedophelia (apparently shemp is WAY OK with female pedophilia *
as long as he can watch), 
* murdered kittens, and 
*the sickos who do such. 

all mixed up and somehow equated or relevant to each other.

Wow, I am not sure how much better this can get. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the 
> > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
> > > pedophile party.
> > 
> > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got
> > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly
> > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are
> > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here.
> 
> But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the article,
> just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's Ark
> shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so.  I just
> don't happen to agree with either of them.

Oh good. We now have spiritual use of ganja, male pedophelia
(apparently shemp is WAY OK with female pedophilia as long as he can
watch), murdered kittens, and the sickos who do such. Wow, I am not
sure how much better this can get. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted 
> > > > > here many times.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for 
> > > > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions 
> > > > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing.
> > > > 
> > > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most 
> > > > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few
> > > > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a 
> > > > discussion of the relationship of drugs and
> > > > spiritual development. It was a wonderful
> > > > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints
> > > > from all sides, but without any of the rancor
> > > > and moralism we're starting to see here.
> > > > 
> > > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: 
> > > > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I'm right; they're wrong.
> > > 
> > > But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as 
that 
> > > Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own 
> > > political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage 
> > > boys...and they put up a good argument for it:
> > > 
> > > http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1
> > > 
> > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote 
the 
> > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
> > > pedophile party.
> > 
> > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has 
got
> > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its 
amittedly
> > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. 
We are
> > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind 
here.
> 
> But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the 
article,
> just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's 
Ark
> shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so.  I just
> don't happen to agree with either of them.
>


Killing kitties can be fun.

Typical liberal ruining everybody else's fun just because something 
is politically incorrect.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted 
> > > > here many times.
> > > > 
> > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for 
> > > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions 
> > > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing.
> > > 
> > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most 
> > > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few
> > > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a 
> > > discussion of the relationship of drugs and
> > > spiritual development. It was a wonderful
> > > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints
> > > from all sides, but without any of the rancor
> > > and moralism we're starting to see here.
> > > 
> > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: 
> > > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996.
> > >
> > 
> > I'm right; they're wrong.
> > 
> > But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that 
> > Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own 
> > political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage 
> > boys...and they put up a good argument for it:
> > 
> > http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1
> > 
> > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the 
> > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
> > pedophile party.
> 
> Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got
> to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly
> not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are
> not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here.

But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the article,
just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's Ark
shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so.  I just
don't happen to agree with either of them.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm all for myth-busting.  But I'm also for common sense.
> 
> Great! Do you have the date set for the big plunge? (when you plan to
> start using it?) :)
> 
> Unbiased, rational, critical thinking are also great things. Put them
> on your "things to try" list. :)
>

Sorry, I'm too busy economizing my time not responding to obvious 
silliness.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted 
> > > > here many times.
> > > > 
> > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for 
> > > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions 
> > > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing.
> > > 
> > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most 
> > > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few
> > > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a 
> > > discussion of the relationship of drugs and
> > > spiritual development. It was a wonderful
> > > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints
> > > from all sides, but without any of the rancor
> > > and moralism we're starting to see here.
> > > 
> > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: 
> > > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996.
> > >
> > 
> > I'm right; they're wrong.
> > 
> > But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that 
> > Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own 
> > political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage 
> > boys...and they put up a good argument for it:
> > 
> > http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1
> > 
> > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote 
the 
> > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
> > pedophile party.
> 
> Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has 
got
> to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly
> not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We 
are
> not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind 
here.
>

Lions and Tigers and Bears.  Oh my.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm all for myth-busting.  But I'm also for common sense.

Great! Do you have the date set for the big plunge? (when you plan to
start using it?) :)

Unbiased, rational, critical thinking are also great things. Put them
on your "things to try" list. :)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted 
> > > here many times.
> > > 
> > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for 
> > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions 
> > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing.
> > 
> > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most 
> > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few
> > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a 
> > discussion of the relationship of drugs and
> > spiritual development. It was a wonderful
> > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints
> > from all sides, but without any of the rancor
> > and moralism we're starting to see here.
> > 
> > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: 
> > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996.
> >
> 
> I'm right; they're wrong.
> 
> But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that 
> Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own 
> political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage 
> boys...and they put up a good argument for it:
> 
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1
> 
> Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the 
> above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
> pedophile party.

Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got
to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly
not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are
not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter):
> > > > 
> > > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend 
drug 
> > use, 
> > > > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana.  You'll 
> > make 
> > > > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help 
from 
> > me.
> > > 
> > > I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical 
> > overview
> > > of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or 
make
> > > anyone seem foolish. 
> > > 
> > > And why you see posting of them as "Fall[ing] all over [our]
selves 
> > in
> > > your apparent rush to defend drug use" is well mindblowing.  
> > > 
> > > While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, 
> > perhaps
> > > touching some nerve that causes an irrational  knee-jerk 
reaction. 
> > To
> > > me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are 
values
> > > and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core 
of
> > > libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response 
surprises 
> > me.
> > > 
> > > If you find any factual errors in either post (study and 
history of
> > > religions overview), please by all means post them.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here 
many 
> > times.
> > 
> > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants 
on a 
> > spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs 
are 
> > a good thing.
> 
> Which is a fine POV. Particularly if it works for you. But 
apparently
> ancients and moderns in many world religions disagree with you.





Many ancients believe that illness is caused by little green demons 
inhabiting your spleen...doesn't make it right.



> And
> health officials indicate that at least one health issue is a myth.
>

I'm all for myth-busting.  But I'm also for common sense.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted 
> > here many times.
> > 
> > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for 
> > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions 
> > in their minds that drugs are a good thing.
> 
> The editors of Tricycle, probably the most 
> respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few
> years ago they devoted an entire issue to a 
> discussion of the relationship of drugs and
> spiritual development. It was a wonderful
> issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints
> from all sides, but without any of the rancor
> and moralism we're starting to see here.
> 
> Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: 
> Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996.
>

I'm right; they're wrong.

But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that 
Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own 
political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage 
boys...and they put up a good argument for it:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1

Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the 
above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the 
pedophile party.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter):
> > > 
> > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug 
> use, 
> > > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana.  You'll 
make 
> > > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help 
from 
> me.
> > 
> > I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical 
> > overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to 
you 
> > or make anyone seem foolish.
> 
> Shemp doesn't read anything he thinks is going to
> be contrary to what he wants to believe, so he
> almost certainly didn't realize what it was you
> were posting.
>

That's absolutely correct.

Why read anything that will upset me?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted 
> > here many times.
> > 
> > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for 
> > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions 
> > in their minds that drugs are a good thing.
> 
> The editors of Tricycle, probably the most 
> respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few
> years ago they devoted an entire issue to a 
> discussion of the relationship of drugs and
> spiritual development. It was a wonderful
> issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints
> from all sides, but without any of the rancor
> and moralism we're starting to see here.
> 
> Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: 
> Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996.

Thanks.

But those moeny grubbing buddhists only want to make money off this
knowledge and charge me outrageous sums (and make me wait for snail
mail). 

http://www.tricycle.com/catalog/backissues/

(um for the humor challenged, which indeed may be me, the above was a
satire of comments about the TMO.)










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter):
> > > 
> > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug 
> use, 
> > > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana.  You'll 
> make 
> > > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from 
> me.
> > 
> > I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical 
> overview
> > of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make
> > anyone seem foolish. 
> > 
> > And why you see posting of them as "Fall[ing] all over [our]selves 
> in
> > your apparent rush to defend drug use" is well mindblowing.  
> > 
> > While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, 
> perhaps
> > touching some nerve that causes an irrational  knee-jerk reaction. 
> To
> > me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values
> > and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of
> > libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises 
> me.
> > 
> > If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of
> > religions overview), please by all means post them.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many 
> times.
> 
> But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a 
> spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are 
> a good thing.

Which is a fine POV. Particularly if it works for you. But apparently
ancients and moderns in many world religions disagree with you. And
health officials indicate that at least one health issue is a myth. 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted 
> here many times.
> 
> But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for 
> participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions 
> in their minds that drugs are a good thing.

The editors of Tricycle, probably the most 
respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few
years ago they devoted an entire issue to a 
discussion of the relationship of drugs and
spiritual development. It was a wonderful
issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints
from all sides, but without any of the rancor
and moralism we're starting to see here.

Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: 
Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter):
> > 
> > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug 
use, 
> > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana.  You'll make 
> > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from 
me.
> 
> I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical 
> overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you 
> or make anyone seem foolish.

Shemp doesn't read anything he thinks is going to
be contrary to what he wants to believe, so he
almost certainly didn't realize what it was you
were posting.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter):
> > 
> > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug 
use, 
> > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana.  You'll 
make 
> > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from 
me.
> 
> I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical 
overview
> of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make
> anyone seem foolish. 
> 
> And why you see posting of them as "Fall[ing] all over [our]selves 
in
> your apparent rush to defend drug use" is well mindblowing.  
> 
> While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, 
perhaps
> touching some nerve that causes an irrational  knee-jerk reaction. 
To
> me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values
> and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of
> libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises 
me.
> 
> If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of
> religions overview), please by all means post them.




I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many 
times.

But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a 
spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are 
a good thing.




>  
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Thirdly, drugs.  That was the era when drugs became 
> > fashionable.
> > > > > What's so good about that?
> > > > 
> > > > We found out we were being lied to? :
> > > > 
> > > > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME 
PROTECTIVE 
> > EFFECT"  
> > > > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER...
> > > > Washington Post   |  Marc Kaufman   |  Posted May 26, 2006 
08:14 
> > AM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > AP/CP, Richard Lam
> > > > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded 
that 
> > smoking  
> > > > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung 
> > cancer.  
> > > > The new findings "were against our expectations," said 
Donald 
> > Tashkin  
> > > > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a 
pulmonologist 
> > who  
> > > > has studied marijuana for 30 years.
> > > > 
> > > > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association 
> > between  
> > > > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association 
would be 
> > more  
> > > > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead 
was 
> > no  
> > > > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective 
> > effect."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted 
> > later).
> > > 
> > > Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual
> > > substance,  in the 60's
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > 
> > > Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in 
India,
> > > where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for 
centuries.
> > > The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in 
a
> > > spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are 
by no
> > > means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have 
claimed
> > > that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and 
> > Muslims
> > > of the Sufi order.
> > > 
> > > * 1 Rastafari use
> > > * 2 Judeo-Christian use
> > > * 3 Muslim use
> > > * 4 Hindu use
> > > * 5 Sikh use
> > > * 6 Others
> > > * 7 See also
> > > * 8 References
> > > * 9 External links
> > > 
> > > Rastafari use
> > > 
> > > It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into 
something
> > > sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was
> > > associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of 
> > Leonard
> > > Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of 
Life
> > > mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, 
said, "the
> > > herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of 
cannabis, 
> > and
> > > particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral 
part 
> > of
> > > what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice 
is 
> > also
> > > the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as 
having 
> > the
> > > capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how 
things are
> > > much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's 
eyes.
> > > Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to 
> > discuss
> > > the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by 
little
> > > through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that 
cannabis
> > > brings the user closer to Jah.
> > > [edit]
> > > 
> > > Judeo-Chr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter):
> 
> Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, 
> even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana.  You'll make 
> yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me.

I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical overview
of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make
anyone seem foolish. 

And why you see posting of them as "Fall[ing] all over [our]selves in
your apparent rush to defend drug use" is well mindblowing.  

While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, perhaps
touching some nerve that causes an irrational  knee-jerk reaction. To
me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values
and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of
libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises me.

If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of
religions overview), please by all means post them.
 

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Thirdly, drugs.  That was the era when drugs became 
> fashionable.
> > > > What's so good about that?
> > > 
> > > We found out we were being lied to? :
> > > 
> > > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE 
> EFFECT"  
> > > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER...
> > > Washington Post   |  Marc Kaufman   |  Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 
> AM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > AP/CP, Richard Lam
> > > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that 
> smoking  
> > > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung 
> cancer.  
> > > The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald 
> Tashkin  
> > > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist 
> who  
> > > has studied marijuana for 30 years.
> > > 
> > > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association 
> between  
> > > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be 
> more  
> > > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was 
> no  
> > > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective 
> effect."
> > 
> > 
> > OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted 
> later).
> > 
> > Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual
> > substance,  in the 60's
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India,
> > where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries.
> > The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a
> > spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no
> > means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed
> > that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and 
> Muslims
> > of the Sufi order.
> > 
> > * 1 Rastafari use
> > * 2 Judeo-Christian use
> > * 3 Muslim use
> > * 4 Hindu use
> > * 5 Sikh use
> > * 6 Others
> > * 7 See also
> > * 8 References
> > * 9 External links
> > 
> > Rastafari use
> > 
> > It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something
> > sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was
> > associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of 
> Leonard
> > Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life
> > mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the
> > herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, 
> and
> > particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part 
> of
> > what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is 
> also
> > the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having 
> the
> > capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are
> > much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes.
> > Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to 
> discuss
> > the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little
> > through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis
> > brings the user closer to Jah.
> > [edit]
> > 
> > Judeo-Christian use
> > 
> > The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts
> > contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm
> > (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is
> > some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' 
> may
> > in fact be cannabis.
> > 
> > The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos
> [1])
> > appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material,
> > incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high
> > priest of the temple.[2] The word

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > 
> > > Thirdly, drugs.  That was the era when drugs became fashionable.
> > > What's so good about that?
> > 
> > We found out we were being lied to? :
> > 
> > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE
EFFECT"  
> > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER...
> > Washington Post   |  Marc Kaufman   |  Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM
> > 
> > 
> > AP/CP, Richard Lam
> > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that
smoking  
> > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.  
> > The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald
Tashkin  
> > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who  
> > has studied marijuana for 30 years.
> > 
> > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between  
> > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be
more  
> > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no  
> > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
> 



> 
> OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later).
> 
> Pot hardly first became fashionable, nor was first seen as a
spiritual substance, in the 60's
> 
> ---
> 
> Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India,
> where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries.
> The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a
> spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no
> means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed
> that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims
> of the Sufi order.
> 
> * 1 Rastafari use
> * 2 Judeo-Christian use
> * 3 Muslim use
> * 4 Hindu use
> * 5 Sikh use
> * 6 Others
> * 7 See also
> * 8 References
> * 9 External links
> 
> Rastafari use
> 
> It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something
> sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was
> associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard
> Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life
> mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the
> herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, and
> particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part of
> what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also
> the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the
> capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are
> much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes.
> Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss
> the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little
> through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis
> brings the user closer to Jah.
> [edit]
> 
> Judeo-Christian use
> 
> The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts
> contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm
> (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is
> some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may
> in fact be cannabis.
> 
> The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos[1])
> appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material,
> incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high
> priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3]
> Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist
> Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word
> believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and
> appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the
> root kan meaning "reed" or hemp and bosm meaning "fragrant". Other
> published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a
> topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment is
> the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal ointment
> for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis may
> have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual
> experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients.[8]
> 
> Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what
> kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and
> kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy anointing
> oil used by temple priests, romanized as "v'th qx-lk bsmym r's mr-drvr
> xms m'vt vqnmn-bsm mx&ytv xmsym vm'tym vqnh-bsm xmsym vm'tym".[10]
> Rabbi Diana Villa confirms that "'Kinamon' or 'kinman bosem' is
> definitely cinnamon" but disputes that kaneh-bosm is cannabis,
> offering a number of other possible interpretations from 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread shempmcgurk



Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter):

Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, 
even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana.  You'll make 
yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > 
> > > Thirdly, drugs.  That was the era when drugs became 
fashionable.
> > > What's so good about that?
> > 
> > We found out we were being lied to? :
> > 
> > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE 
EFFECT"  
> > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER...
> > Washington Post   |  Marc Kaufman   |  Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 
AM
> > 
> > 
> > AP/CP, Richard Lam
> > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that 
smoking  
> > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung 
cancer.  
> > The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald 
Tashkin  
> > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist 
who  
> > has studied marijuana for 30 years.
> > 
> > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association 
between  
> > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be 
more  
> > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was 
no  
> > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective 
effect."
> 
> 
> OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted 
later).
> 
> Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual
> substance,  in the 60's
> 
> ---
> 
> Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India,
> where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries.
> The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a
> spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no
> means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed
> that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and 
Muslims
> of the Sufi order.
> 
> * 1 Rastafari use
> * 2 Judeo-Christian use
> * 3 Muslim use
> * 4 Hindu use
> * 5 Sikh use
> * 6 Others
> * 7 See also
> * 8 References
> * 9 External links
> 
> Rastafari use
> 
> It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something
> sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was
> associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of 
Leonard
> Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life
> mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the
> herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, 
and
> particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part 
of
> what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is 
also
> the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having 
the
> capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are
> much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes.
> Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to 
discuss
> the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little
> through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis
> brings the user closer to Jah.
> [edit]
> 
> Judeo-Christian use
> 
> The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts
> contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm
> (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is
> some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' 
may
> in fact be cannabis.
> 
> The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos
[1])
> appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material,
> incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high
> priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3]
> Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish 
anthropologist
> Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word
> believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos 
and
> appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the
> root kan meaning "reed" or hemp and bosm meaning "fragrant". Other
> published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a
> topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment 
is
> the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal 
ointment
> for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis 
may
> have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual
> experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients.
[8]
> 
> Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what
> kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and
> kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy 
anointing
> oil used by temple priests, romanized as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya

2006-06-05 Thread new_morning_blank_slate



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > Thirdly, drugs.  That was the era when drugs became fashionable.
> > What's so good about that?
> 
> We found out we were being lied to? :
> 
> "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT"  
> BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER...
> Washington Post   |  Marc Kaufman   |  Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM
> 
> 
> AP/CP, Richard Lam
> The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking  
> marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.  
> The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin  
> of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who  
> has studied marijuana for 30 years.
> 
> "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between  
> marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more  
> positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no  
> association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."


OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later).

Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual
substance,  in the 60's

---

Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India,
where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries.
The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a
spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no
means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed
that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims
of the Sufi order.

* 1 Rastafari use
* 2 Judeo-Christian use
* 3 Muslim use
* 4 Hindu use
* 5 Sikh use
* 6 Others
* 7 See also
* 8 References
* 9 External links

Rastafari use

It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something
sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was
associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard
Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life
mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the
herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, and
particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part of
what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also
the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the
capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are
much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes.
Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss
the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little
through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis
brings the user closer to Jah.
[edit]

Judeo-Christian use

The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts
contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm
(fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is
some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may
in fact be cannabis.

The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos[1])
appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material,
incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high
priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3]
Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist
Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word
believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and
appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the
root kan meaning "reed" or hemp and bosm meaning "fragrant". Other
published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a
topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment is
the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal ointment
for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis may
have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual
experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients.[8]

Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what
kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and
kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy anointing
oil used by temple priests, romanized as "v'th qx-lk bsmym r's mr-drvr
xms m'vt vqnmn-bsm mx&ytv xmsym vm'tym vqnh-bsm xmsym vm'tym".[10]
Rabbi Diana Villa confirms that "'Kinamon' or 'kinman bosem' is
definitely cinnamon" but disputes that kaneh-bosm is cannabis,
offering a number of other possible interpretations from other
published sources.[11] Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's annotated Torah
translation entitled "The Living Torah" includes cannabis among
several other possible interpretations of kaneh-bosm [12]. In Israel
some synagogues engage in the smoking of cannabis before the holy
sabbath to explore a "