[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya, R.G., Kumbaya
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya, R.G., Kumbaya
> > > > Look, I'm no big fan of McCain, but Obama? > > > (snip) > > > With all of this talk of the evolution of meditation, and dissonance > > > and consonance; > > > Don't you hear something in his voice that is harmonizing? > > Lord Humungus from The Road Warrior had the most harmonizing voice. (snip) Who the hell is Lord Humungus? This is beyond me. As far as spiritually dead, most of the people are spiritually dead. So, it's not surprising. You're just a part very large sheep-like crowd...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya, R.G., Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G." babajii_99@ wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > > > > > > > Look, I'm no big fan of McCain, but Obama? > > (snip) > > With all of this talk of the evolution of meditation, and dissonance > > and consonance; > > Don't you hear something in his voice that is harmonizing? Lord Humungus from The Road Warrior had the most harmonizing voice. But if you gave into it, you soon died. Look to the substance and the policies behind the voice, no? "Be still my dog of war. I understand your pain. We've all lost someone we love. But we do it my way! We do it my way. Fear is our ally. The gasoline will be ours. Then you shall have your revenge." > > Don't you get the feeling that he knows we have to come together in > > order to get it right. I get the feeling that he is full of shit and that he is pulling the wool over your eyes. His position is now virtually the same as John McCain's is regarding the Iraq War. Don't you think that's unfair to the 100s of thousands of Lefties who voted for him in the primaries primarily because of his original opposition to the war? > > Do you have any sense of what is going on in this sick world? There are alot of problems in this world...we don't need more by voting in a phony. > > Do you have any sense of real and false, Truth and Lies? Yeah, that's why I have my doubts about the guy. > > > > Who would you like to see as President. > > Did you vote for Bush twice? I can't vote in the Unites States as I am not a citizen. > > > > Obama is a gift for this country. Hey, if he makes you feel good, keep drinking his Kool-Aid. > > Anyone who doesn't see and feel that is just spiritually dead, as far > > as I'm concerned. "Spiritually dead." That's not a very nice thing to say, R. G., about someone with whom you disagree. Which leads me to wonder why, after having received the "gift" of Obama, you haven't got more tolerant of people who disagree with you politically nor developed less spitefullness? Is this the kind of person people become once they embrace Obama? > > Let him apply some of that alleged spirituality to quitting smoking. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya, R.G., Kumbaya
> > > Look, I'm no big fan of McCain, but Obama? > > (snip) > > With all of this talk of the evolution of meditation, and dissonance > > and consonance; > > Don't you hear something in his voice that is harmonizing? > > Don't you get the feeling that he knows we have to come together in > > order to get it right. > > Do you have any sense of what is going on in this sick world? > > Do you have any sense of real and false, Truth and Lies? > > > > Who would you like to see as President. > > Did you vote for Bush twice? > > > > Obama is a gift for this country. > > Anyone who doesn't see and feel that is just spiritually dead, as far > > as I'm concerned. > > Let him apply some of that alleged spirituality to quitting smoking. > So, smoking is your problem with him- I see... Well, you know, FDR smoked cigarettes; so did JFK. Bush doesn't smoke, Condi don't smoke, Cheney don't smoke. What the hell does smoking have to do with anything? Besides he's quitting. Many of the GI's looked forward to having a cig, during WWII in their battle against the pure evil of German Nazism. Hitler was a vegatarian. If that is the only thing you have against the guy, That is really a weak argument. I think your just a common American racist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
> > > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who > wrote the > > > > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the > > > > > pedophile party. > > > > > > > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This > has got > > > > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its > amittedly > > > > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh > my. We are > > > > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind > here. > > > > > > But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the > article, > > > just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's > Ark > > > shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so. I just > > > don't happen to agree with either of them. > > > > Oh good. We now have: > > > > * spiritual use of ganja, > > * male pedophelia (apparently shemp is WAY OK with female > pedophilia * > > as long as he can watch), > > * murdered kittens, and > > *the sickos who do such. > > > > all mixed up and somehow equated or relevant to each other. > > > > Wow, I am not sure how much better this can get. > > > > Mix it all together and superheat it with a dollop of global warming? > Well, we could all go to Florida, and demand a recount of the votes for Al... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the > > > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the > > > > pedophile party. > > > > > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got > > > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly > > > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are > > > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here. > > > > But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the article, > > just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's Ark > > shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so. I just > > don't happen to agree with either of them. > > Oh good. We now have: > > * spiritual use of ganja, > * male pedophelia (apparently shemp is WAY OK with female pedophilia * > as long as he can watch), > * murdered kittens, and > *the sickos who do such. > > all mixed up and somehow equated or relevant to each other. > > Wow, I am not sure how much better this can get. > Mix it all together and superheat it with a dollop of global warming? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the > > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the > > > pedophile party. > > > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got > > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly > > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are > > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here. > > But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the article, > just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's Ark > shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so. I just > don't happen to agree with either of them. Oh good. We now have: * spiritual use of ganja, * male pedophelia (apparently shemp is WAY OK with female pedophilia * as long as he can watch), * murdered kittens, and *the sickos who do such. all mixed up and somehow equated or relevant to each other. Wow, I am not sure how much better this can get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the > > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the > > > pedophile party. > > > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got > > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly > > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are > > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here. > > But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the article, > just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's Ark > shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so. I just > don't happen to agree with either of them. Oh good. We now have spiritual use of ganja, male pedophelia (apparently shemp is WAY OK with female pedophilia as long as he can watch), murdered kittens, and the sickos who do such. Wow, I am not sure how much better this can get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted > > > > > here many times. > > > > > > > > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for > > > > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions > > > > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing. > > > > > > > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most > > > > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few > > > > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a > > > > discussion of the relationship of drugs and > > > > spiritual development. It was a wonderful > > > > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints > > > > from all sides, but without any of the rancor > > > > and moralism we're starting to see here. > > > > > > > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: > > > > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. > > > > > > > > > > I'm right; they're wrong. > > > > > > But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that > > > Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own > > > political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage > > > boys...and they put up a good argument for it: > > > > > > http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1 > > > > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the > > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the > > > pedophile party. > > > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got > > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly > > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are > > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here. > > But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the article, > just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's Ark > shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so. I just > don't happen to agree with either of them. > Killing kitties can be fun. Typical liberal ruining everybody else's fun just because something is politically incorrect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted > > > > here many times. > > > > > > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for > > > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions > > > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing. > > > > > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most > > > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few > > > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a > > > discussion of the relationship of drugs and > > > spiritual development. It was a wonderful > > > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints > > > from all sides, but without any of the rancor > > > and moralism we're starting to see here. > > > > > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: > > > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. > > > > > > > I'm right; they're wrong. > > > > But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that > > Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own > > political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage > > boys...and they put up a good argument for it: > > > > http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1 > > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the > > pedophile party. > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here. But shemp clearly has his reasons even if he didn't read the article, just like the kids who killed and tortured the kittens at Noah's Ark shelter several years ago had their reasons for doing so. I just don't happen to agree with either of them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > > wrote: > > > > I'm all for myth-busting. But I'm also for common sense. > > Great! Do you have the date set for the big plunge? (when you plan to > start using it?) :) > > Unbiased, rational, critical thinking are also great things. Put them > on your "things to try" list. :) > Sorry, I'm too busy economizing my time not responding to obvious silliness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted > > > > here many times. > > > > > > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for > > > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions > > > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing. > > > > > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most > > > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few > > > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a > > > discussion of the relationship of drugs and > > > spiritual development. It was a wonderful > > > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints > > > from all sides, but without any of the rancor > > > and moralism we're starting to see here. > > > > > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: > > > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. > > > > > > > I'm right; they're wrong. > > > > But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that > > Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own > > political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage > > boys...and they put up a good argument for it: > > > > http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1 > > > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the > > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the > > pedophile party. > > Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got > to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly > not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are > not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here. > Lions and Tigers and Bears. Oh my. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > I'm all for myth-busting. But I'm also for common sense. Great! Do you have the date set for the big plunge? (when you plan to start using it?) :) Unbiased, rational, critical thinking are also great things. Put them on your "things to try" list. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted > > > here many times. > > > > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for > > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions > > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing. > > > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most > > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few > > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a > > discussion of the relationship of drugs and > > spiritual development. It was a wonderful > > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints > > from all sides, but without any of the rancor > > and moralism we're starting to see here. > > > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: > > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. > > > > I'm right; they're wrong. > > But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that > Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own > political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage > boys...and they put up a good argument for it: > > http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1 > > Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the > above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the > pedophile party. Oh my. Equating spiritual use of ganja with pedaphiles. This has got to be the lowest form of Non Sequitur on FFL yet. And its amittedly not even based on reading the article. Pure specualtion. Oh my. We are not working with an unbiased, clear, free inquiry kind of mind here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): > > > > > > > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug > > use, > > > > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll > > make > > > > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from > > me. > > > > > > I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical > > overview > > > of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make > > > anyone seem foolish. > > > > > > And why you see posting of them as "Fall[ing] all over [our] selves > > in > > > your apparent rush to defend drug use" is well mindblowing. > > > > > > While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, > > perhaps > > > touching some nerve that causes an irrational knee-jerk reaction. > > To > > > me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values > > > and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of > > > libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises > > me. > > > > > > If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of > > > religions overview), please by all means post them. > > > > > > > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many > > times. > > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a > > spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are > > a good thing. > > Which is a fine POV. Particularly if it works for you. But apparently > ancients and moderns in many world religions disagree with you. Many ancients believe that illness is caused by little green demons inhabiting your spleen...doesn't make it right. > And > health officials indicate that at least one health issue is a myth. > I'm all for myth-busting. But I'm also for common sense. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted > > here many times. > > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing. > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a > discussion of the relationship of drugs and > spiritual development. It was a wonderful > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints > from all sides, but without any of the rancor > and moralism we're starting to see here. > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. > I'm right; they're wrong. But, of course, they're entitled to their opinion...just as that Dutch group of pedophiles who are trying to start their own political party because they feel it's okay to bugger teenage boys...and they put up a good argument for it: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210052/pg1 Without reading it, I am guessing that the Buddhists who wrote the above tract are on a par -- at least rationally -- with the pedophile party. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): > > > > > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug > use, > > > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make > > > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from > me. > > > > I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical > > overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you > > or make anyone seem foolish. > > Shemp doesn't read anything he thinks is going to > be contrary to what he wants to believe, so he > almost certainly didn't realize what it was you > were posting. > That's absolutely correct. Why read anything that will upset me? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted > > here many times. > > > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for > > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions > > in their minds that drugs are a good thing. > > The editors of Tricycle, probably the most > respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few > years ago they devoted an entire issue to a > discussion of the relationship of drugs and > spiritual development. It was a wonderful > issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints > from all sides, but without any of the rancor > and moralism we're starting to see here. > > Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: > Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. Thanks. But those moeny grubbing buddhists only want to make money off this knowledge and charge me outrageous sums (and make me wait for snail mail). http://www.tricycle.com/catalog/backissues/ (um for the humor challenged, which indeed may be me, the above was a satire of comments about the TMO.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): > > > > > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug > use, > > > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll > make > > > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from > me. > > > > I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical > overview > > of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make > > anyone seem foolish. > > > > And why you see posting of them as "Fall[ing] all over [our]selves > in > > your apparent rush to defend drug use" is well mindblowing. > > > > While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, > perhaps > > touching some nerve that causes an irrational knee-jerk reaction. > To > > me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values > > and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of > > libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises > me. > > > > If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of > > religions overview), please by all means post them. > > > > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many > times. > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a > spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are > a good thing. Which is a fine POV. Particularly if it works for you. But apparently ancients and moderns in many world religions disagree with you. And health officials indicate that at least one health issue is a myth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted > here many times. > > But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for > participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions > in their minds that drugs are a good thing. The editors of Tricycle, probably the most respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few years ago they devoted an entire issue to a discussion of the relationship of drugs and spiritual development. It was a wonderful issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints from all sides, but without any of the rancor and moralism we're starting to see here. Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): > > > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, > > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make > > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. > > I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical > overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you > or make anyone seem foolish. Shemp doesn't read anything he thinks is going to be contrary to what he wants to believe, so he almost certainly didn't realize what it was you were posting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): > > > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, > > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make > > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. > > I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical overview > of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make > anyone seem foolish. > > And why you see posting of them as "Fall[ing] all over [our]selves in > your apparent rush to defend drug use" is well mindblowing. > > While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, perhaps > touching some nerve that causes an irrational knee-jerk reaction. To > me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values > and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of > libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises me. > > If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of > religions overview), please by all means post them. I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many times. But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are a good thing. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became > > fashionable. > > > > > What's so good about that? > > > > > > > > We found out we were being lied to? : > > > > > > > > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE > > EFFECT" > > > > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... > > > > Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 > > AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > AP/CP, Richard Lam > > > > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that > > smoking > > > > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung > > cancer. > > > > The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald > > Tashkin > > > > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist > > who > > > > has studied marijuana for 30 years. > > > > > > > > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association > > between > > > > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be > > more > > > > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was > > no > > > > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective > > effect." > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted > > later). > > > > > > Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual > > > substance, in the 60's > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, > > > where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. > > > The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a > > > spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no > > > means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed > > > that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and > > Muslims > > > of the Sufi order. > > > > > > * 1 Rastafari use > > > * 2 Judeo-Christian use > > > * 3 Muslim use > > > * 4 Hindu use > > > * 5 Sikh use > > > * 6 Others > > > * 7 See also > > > * 8 References > > > * 9 External links > > > > > > Rastafari use > > > > > > It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something > > > sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was > > > associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of > > Leonard > > > Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life > > > mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the > > > herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, > > and > > > particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part > > of > > > what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is > > also > > > the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having > > the > > > capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are > > > much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. > > > Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to > > discuss > > > the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little > > > through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis > > > brings the user closer to Jah. > > > [edit] > > > > > > Judeo-Chr
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): > > Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, > even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make > yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make anyone seem foolish. And why you see posting of them as "Fall[ing] all over [our]selves in your apparent rush to defend drug use" is well mindblowing. While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, perhaps touching some nerve that causes an irrational knee-jerk reaction. To me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises me. If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of religions overview), please by all means post them. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > > > Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became > fashionable. > > > > What's so good about that? > > > > > > We found out we were being lied to? : > > > > > > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE > EFFECT" > > > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... > > > Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 > AM > > > > > >  > > > AP/CP, Richard Lam > > > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that > smoking > > > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung > cancer. > > > The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald > Tashkin > > > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist > who > > > has studied marijuana for 30 years. > > > > > > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association > between > > > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be > more > > > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was > no > > > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective > effect." > > > > > > OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted > later). > > > > Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual > > substance, in the 60's > > > > --- > > > > Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, > > where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. > > The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a > > spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no > > means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed > > that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and > Muslims > > of the Sufi order. > > > > * 1 Rastafari use > > * 2 Judeo-Christian use > > * 3 Muslim use > > * 4 Hindu use > > * 5 Sikh use > > * 6 Others > > * 7 See also > > * 8 References > > * 9 External links > > > > Rastafari use > > > > It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something > > sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was > > associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of > Leonard > > Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life > > mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the > > herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, > and > > particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part > of > > what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is > also > > the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having > the > > capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are > > much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. > > Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to > discuss > > the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little > > through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis > > brings the user closer to Jah. > > [edit] > > > > Judeo-Christian use > > > > The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts > > contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm > > (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is > > some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' > may > > in fact be cannabis. > > > > The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos > [1]) > > appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, > > incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high > > priest of the temple.[2] The word
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. > > > What's so good about that? > > > > We found out we were being lied to? : > > > > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT" > > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... > > Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM > > > >  > > AP/CP, Richard Lam > > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking > > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. > > The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin > > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who > > has studied marijuana for 30 years. > > > > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between > > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more > > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no > > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect." > > > OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later). > > Pot hardly first became fashionable, nor was first seen as a spiritual substance, in the 60's > > --- > > Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, > where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. > The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a > spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no > means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed > that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims > of the Sufi order. > > * 1 Rastafari use > * 2 Judeo-Christian use > * 3 Muslim use > * 4 Hindu use > * 5 Sikh use > * 6 Others > * 7 See also > * 8 References > * 9 External links > > Rastafari use > > It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something > sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was > associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard > Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life > mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the > herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, and > particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part of > what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also > the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the > capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are > much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. > Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss > the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little > through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis > brings the user closer to Jah. > [edit] > > Judeo-Christian use > > The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts > contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm > (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is > some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may > in fact be cannabis. > > The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos[1]) > appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, > incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high > priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3] > Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist > Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word > believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and > appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the > root kan meaning "reed" or hemp and bosm meaning "fragrant". Other > published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a > topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment is > the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal ointment > for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis may > have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual > experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients.[8] > > Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what > kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and > kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy anointing > oil used by temple priests, romanized as "v'th qx-lk bsmym r's mr-drvr > xms m'vt vqnmn-bsm mx&ytv xmsym vm'tym vqnh-bsm xmsym vm'tym".[10] > Rabbi Diana Villa confirms that "'Kinamon' or 'kinman bosem' is > definitely cinnamon" but disputes that kaneh-bosm is cannabis, > offering a number of other possible interpretations from
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. > > > What's so good about that? > > > > We found out we were being lied to? : > > > > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT" > > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... > > Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM > > > >  > > AP/CP, Richard Lam > > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking > > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. > > The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin > > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who > > has studied marijuana for 30 years. > > > > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between > > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more > > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no > > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect." > > > OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later). > > Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual > substance, in the 60's > > --- > > Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, > where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. > The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a > spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no > means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed > that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims > of the Sufi order. > > * 1 Rastafari use > * 2 Judeo-Christian use > * 3 Muslim use > * 4 Hindu use > * 5 Sikh use > * 6 Others > * 7 See also > * 8 References > * 9 External links > > Rastafari use > > It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something > sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was > associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard > Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life > mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the > herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, and > particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part of > what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also > the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the > capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are > much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. > Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss > the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little > through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis > brings the user closer to Jah. > [edit] > > Judeo-Christian use > > The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts > contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm > (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is > some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may > in fact be cannabis. > > The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos [1]) > appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, > incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high > priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3] > Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist > Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word > believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and > appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the > root kan meaning "reed" or hemp and bosm meaning "fragrant". Other > published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a > topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment is > the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal ointment > for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis may > have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual > experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients. [8] > > Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what > kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and > kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy anointing > oil used by temple priests, romanized as
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. > > What's so good about that? > > We found out we were being lied to? : > > "NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT" > BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... > Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM > >  > AP/CP, Richard Lam > The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking > marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. > The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin > of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who > has studied marijuana for 30 years. > > "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between > marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more > positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no > association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect." OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later). Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual substance, in the 60's --- Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims of the Sufi order. * 1 Rastafari use * 2 Judeo-Christian use * 3 Muslim use * 4 Hindu use * 5 Sikh use * 6 Others * 7 See also * 8 References * 9 External links Rastafari use It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, "the herb [ganja is the healing of the nations". The use of cannabis, and particularly of large pipes called "chalices", is an integral part of what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis brings the user closer to Jah. [edit] Judeo-Christian use The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may in fact be cannabis. The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos[1]) appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3] Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the root kan meaning "reed" or hemp and bosm meaning "fragrant". Other published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment is the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal ointment for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis may have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients.[8] Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy anointing oil used by temple priests, romanized as "v'th qx-lk bsmym r's mr-drvr xms m'vt vqnmn-bsm mx&ytv xmsym vm'tym vqnh-bsm xmsym vm'tym".[10] Rabbi Diana Villa confirms that "'Kinamon' or 'kinman bosem' is definitely cinnamon" but disputes that kaneh-bosm is cannabis, offering a number of other possible interpretations from other published sources.[11] Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's annotated Torah translation entitled "The Living Torah" includes cannabis among several other possible interpretations of kaneh-bosm [12]. In Israel some synagogues engage in the smoking of cannabis before the holy sabbath to explore a "
