[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Only if they're forced to do it themselves with a coat hanger, or have some quack do it on a kitchen table because safe medical abortion isn't available. First-trimester abortion is *significantly* safer, if done in a medical facility by a competent physician, than bringing the fetus to term and giving birth--especially for younger women. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... So is *birth*, for pete's sake. Virtually everything in life has a violent component, Judy. Shiva the destroyer is everywhere: when the red petals of the rose bloom the bud covering has to be violently extinguished to make room for the beautiful petals. So it is disingenious of you to cite birth as a violent act. If birth is violent then virtually everything in the universe is, too. My point, of course, is that abortion is no *more* violent than birth, Oh, really? Uh, gee, in one instance the result is the snuffing out of a POTENTIAL human life (a god who is recreated in man's image with every human birth); and, in the other instance a human life results. Yeah, very similar. And now you're disingenuously conflating the outcome with the process. As to a human life being a recreation of god, it's a pretty lame god who couldn't salvage his/her image from a piece of unwanted tissue and put it in a piece of tissue that would be treasured. It is interesting and illuminating to see how the very young children see on the issue of birth and death. Our family got into a car accident in 1980. Nothing happened to our sons, but I hurt my neck rather badly and got also a tiny fracture in it. When I told my kids that mom could have died in that accident, the younger one, who was two years old at that time, said to me with a serious look in his face: Then I would have to wait until mom gets born again. With that the issue was finished for his part. I had not been discussing with the kids about the idea of rebirth earlier. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting and illuminating to see how the very young children see on the issue of birth and death. Our family got into a car accident in 1980. Nothing happened to our sons, but I hurt my neck rather badly and got also a tiny fracture in it. When I told my kids that mom could have died in that accident, the younger one, who was two years old at that time, said to me with a serious look in his face: Then I would have to wait until mom gets born again. With that the issue was finished for his part. I had not been discussing with the kids about the idea of rebirth earlier. Irmeli This reminds me of when my daughter was about the same age and began spontaneously talking about angels. I don't remember her exact wording. Also I had not spoken with her previously about such things because why talk about such things with a toddler, when the main focus for them is eating, playing and sleeping? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... Whether or not the government approves or disapproves of the procedure, it will still go on. There are lot's of things the government disapproves of, and that doesen't seem to prevent people from doing as they wish. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do some research on partial birth abortion. This will help you to decide what a baby looks likein case you are not sure. P.S. In response to others: naturally ejaculated sperm, menstruation (where an unfertilize egg is discarded), and spontaneous miscarriage are not violently induced--like legal abortion. Again, refer to the literature on partial birth abortion. So are you against all abortion -- as implied in previous posts? Or are you only opposed to partial-birth abortions? Or are you opposed to both but playing bait and switch / strawman games? If violently induced is your criteria for opposing abortion, then you would appear to approve of the use of the morning after pill and the oral abortion pill. Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? I think abortion is a violent act also when done in the early stages. But mild compared to other sorts of violence that is abundant in human societies. To be born as an unwanted child to parents who are not capable or fully willing of taking proper care of their off- spring is the recipe for making violently acting individuals. I am much more concerned about this more brutal violence in society and how to diminish it. I respect every woman's right to determine if she wants to have a child or not. Abundant societal support for young mothers or families would help to enhance the desire to raise an unexpected child. In societies where women are in low position and where they are valued only as mothers, children are not wanted as themselves, but as a means to get appreciation and someone to take care of you. Good education and free abortion for women are good medicines in those circumstances. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... Whether or not the government approves or disapproves of the procedure, it will still go on. There are lot's of things the government disapproves of, and that doesen't seem to prevent people from doing as they wish. I agree. And I think it is better to accept this fact and guarantee that women can have an abortion in safe circumstances. Abortion is of course a lousy birth-control method. But I really wonder if a significant number of women truly use it as such. There are other reasons like the birth-control they used failed. And P-pills don't suit everyone. I tried many and none suited me. I have myself gone through abortion at age 20. My birth-control method at that time was counting the safe days and it failed. And I didn't feel ready for a child at that time. I had just started my studies at university. It would have created a lot of economic difficulties also. I felt I was lucky to get a free abortion. The new free abortion law had come into force just two weeks earlier. My pregnancy was at the seventh week at the time of the abortion. So it was done at a very early stage. My mother had an illegal abortion 10 years earlier that was poorly done. The consequence was that her womb had to be removed in the hospital. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Only if they're forced to do it themselves with a coat hanger, or have some quack do it on a kitchen table because safe medical abortion isn't available. First-trimester abortion is *significantly* safer, if done in a medical facility by a competent physician, than bringing the fetus to term and giving birth--especially for younger women. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... So is *birth*, for pete's sake. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... Whether or not the government approves or disapproves of the procedure, it will still go on. There are lot's of things the government disapproves of, and that doesen't seem to prevent people from doing as they wish. I agree. And I think it is better to accept this fact and guarantee that women can have an abortion in safe circumstances. Abortion is of course a lousy birth-control method. But I really wonder if a significant number of women truly use it as such. There are other reasons like the birth-control they used failed. Or they couldn't obtain birth control, or were never told how to use it, or even that they *should* use it, because some idiots decided their being able to use birth control would make it more likely that they would have sex. snip I have myself gone through abortion at age 20. My birth-control method at that time was counting the safe days and it failed. Had anybody told you that was highly unreliable? If not, why not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... Whether or not the government approves or disapproves of the procedure, it will still go on. There are lot's of things the government disapproves of, and that doesen't seem to prevent people from doing as they wish. I agree. And I think it is better to accept this fact and guarantee that women can have an abortion in safe circumstances. Abortion is of course a lousy birth-control method. But I really wonder if a significant number of women truly use it as such. There are other reasons like the birth-control they used failed. Or they couldn't obtain birth control, or were never told how to use it, or even that they *should* use it, because some idiots decided their being able to use birth control would make it more likely that they would have sex. snip I have myself gone through abortion at age 20. My birth-control method at that time was counting the safe days and it failed. Had anybody told you that was highly unreliable? If not, why not? I was not told. And it happened in 1971. I think many people at that time thought it would be reliable enough. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Only if they're forced to do it themselves with a coat hanger, or have some quack do it on a kitchen table because safe medical abortion isn't available. First-trimester abortion is *significantly* safer, if done in a medical facility by a competent physician, than bringing the fetus to term and giving birth--especially for younger women. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... So is *birth*, for pete's sake. Virtually everything in life has a violent component, Judy. Shiva the destroyer is everywhere: when the red petals of the rose bloom the bud covering has to be violently extinguished to make room for the beautiful petals. So it is disingenious of you to cite birth as a violent act. If birth is violent then virtually everything in the universe is, too. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Only if they're forced to do it themselves with a coat hanger, or have some quack do it on a kitchen table because safe medical abortion isn't available. First-trimester abortion is *significantly* safer, if done in a medical facility by a competent physician, than bringing the fetus to term and giving birth--especially for younger women. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... So is *birth*, for pete's sake. Virtually everything in life has a violent component, Judy. Shiva the destroyer is everywhere: when the red petals of the rose bloom the bud covering has to be violently extinguished to make room for the beautiful petals. So it is disingenious of you to cite birth as a violent act. If birth is violent then virtually everything in the universe is, too. My point, of course, is that abortion is no *more* violent than birth, or than late miscarriage, for that matter. It's disingenuous of you to pretend you missed that point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Only if they're forced to do it themselves with a coat hanger, or have some quack do it on a kitchen table because safe medical abortion isn't available. First-trimester abortion is *significantly* safer, if done in a medical facility by a competent physician, than bringing the fetus to term and giving birth--especially for younger women. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... So is *birth*, for pete's sake. Virtually everything in life has a violent component, Judy. Shiva the destroyer is everywhere: when the red petals of the rose bloom the bud covering has to be violently extinguished to make room for the beautiful petals. So it is disingenious of you to cite birth as a violent act. If birth is violent then virtually everything in the universe is, too. My point, of course, is that abortion is no *more* violent than birth, Oh, really? Uh, gee, in one instance the result is the snuffing out of a POTENTIAL human life (a god who is recreated in man's image with every human birth); and, in the other instance a human life results. Yeah, very similar. And now you're disingenuously conflating the outcome with the process. As to a human life being a recreation of god, it's a pretty lame god who couldn't salvage his/her image from a piece of unwanted tissue and put it in a piece of tissue that would be treasured. or than late miscarriage, for that matter. It's disingenuous of you to pretend you missed that point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... Whether or not the government approves or disapproves of the procedure, it will still go on. There are lot's of things the government disapproves of, and that doesen't seem to prevent people from doing as they wish. I agree. And I think it is better to accept this fact and guarantee that women can have an abortion in safe circumstances. Abortion is of course a lousy birth-control method. But I really wonder if a significant number of women truly use it as such. There are other reasons like the birth-control they used failed. Or they couldn't obtain birth control, or were never told how to use it, or even that they *should* use it, because some idiots decided their being able to use birth control would make it more likely that they would have sex. snip I have myself gone through abortion at age 20. My birth-control method at that time was counting the safe days and it failed. Had anybody told you that was highly unreliable? If not, why not? The most sophisticated method is quite reliable, but it requires a very careful implementation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a woman and a survivor of rape, all I can say is, God bless the US Supreme Court. I am pro-choice. But I am wondering how much choice would be curtailed if Roe v. Wade were overturned. It would not dissallow abortion, it would simply give the states the right to decide the issue. Which in pondering it, is more consistent with the view that law making should be at the most local level possible and the federal governement should be restricted to the explicit roles and powers it was designated in the constitution. But a civil right of privacy trumps government control. DOn't forget that is what Roe v Wade decided. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to that. What a wonderful country we live in--a country when all women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Go liberals Aside from your pejorative speculative assumptions (is a male ejacualtion a universe of unborn children too? How about menstruation -- death of a potential life just because a woman was to lazy to get knocked up, huh?) --- what is your proposed alternative? What does your ideal sexual / birth /family / state interventionist / body ownership world look like ? For one thing, no horseback riding for women allowed --they might be pregnant and have a miscarriage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Isn't unborn children sort of the null set? What defines a child? When it can sustain life on its own? When sperm hits ovum? When a man ejaculates? Are all of a woman's eggs potential life and thus sacred and thus should not be wasted or killed? What about the twinkle in a prospective father's eye? Is that the genesis of a child? Is your definition any better than any of the above? So you want the state to mandate your personal vision of conception and morality? Do you want to raise the children of people who have a different view? Just curious. (Btw, should women with miscarriages be tried for manslaughter?) The Bible says anyone who causes a miscarriage must pay a fine to the father to compensate him. The same Bible that says that anyone who works on Saturday should be stoned to death or at least exiled. This gives you a feel for the relative severity of the two crimes... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to that. What a wonderful country we live in--a country when all women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Go liberals Aside from your pejorative speculative assumptions (is a male ejacualtion a universe of unborn children too? How about menstruation -- death of a potential life just because a woman was to lazy to get knocked up, huh?) Not to mention that up to one of every two unborn children is *spontaneously* aborted. That includes those that don't survive long enough to be detected in the first place, doesn't it? --- what is your proposed alternative? What does your ideal sexual / birth /family / state interventionist / body ownership world look like ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not to mention that up to one of every two unborn children is *spontaneously* aborted. That includes those that don't survive long enough to be detected in the first place, doesn't it? Yup. It's an estimate (that's why it's up to). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
Do some research on partial birth abortion. This will help you to decide what a baby looks likein case you are not sure. P.S. In response to others: naturally ejaculated sperm, menstruation (where an unfertilize egg is discarded), and spontaneous miscarriage are not violently induced--like legal abortion. Again, refer to the literature on partial birth abortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Isn't unborn children sort of the null set? What defines a child? When it can sustain life on its own? When sperm hits ovum? When a man ejaculates? Are all of a woman's eggs potential life and thus sacred and thus should not be wasted or killed? What about the twinkle in a prospective father's eye? Is that the genesis of a child? Is your definition any better than any of the above? So you want the state to mandate your personal vision of conception and morality? Do you want to raise the children of people who have a different view? Just curious. (Btw, should women with miscarriages be tried for manslaughter?) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do some research on partial birth abortion. This will help you to decide what a baby looks likein case you are not sure. P.S. In response to others: naturally ejaculated sperm, menstruation (where an unfertilize egg is discarded), and spontaneous miscarriage are not violently induced--like legal abortion. Again, refer to the literature on partial birth abortion. So are you against all abortion -- as implied in previous posts? Or are you only opposed to partial-birth abortions? Or are you opposed to both but playing bait and switch / strawman games? If violently induced is your criteria for opposing abortion, then you would appear to approve of the use of the morning after pill and the oral abortion pill. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do some research on partial birth abortion. This will help you to decide what a baby looks likein case you are not sure. P.S. In response to others: naturally ejaculated sperm, menstruation (where an unfertilize egg is discarded), and spontaneous miscarriage are not violently induced--like legal abortion. Again, refer to the literature on partial birth abortion. So are you against all abortion -- as implied in previous posts? Or are you only opposed to partial-birth abortions? Or are you opposed to both but playing bait and switch / strawman games? If violently induced is your criteria for opposing abortion, then you would appear to approve of the use of the morning after pill and the oral abortion pill. Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do some research on partial birth abortion. This will help you to decide what a baby looks likein case you are not sure. Since Dilation and Extraction (DX) abortions (partial birth is a political, pegorative and misleading phrase) were banned in Nov 2002, what is your issue with them? Does this man that you do support the right of choice for other non-DX abortion procedures? If not what is your argument against them -- based on relevant non-DX points. (To argue that non-DX abortions are bad because DX abortions are bad, is, well, kind of inept --- or manipulative.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do some research on partial birth abortion. This will help you to decide what a baby looks likein case you are not sure. Since Dilation and Extraction (DX) abortions (partial birth is a political, pegorative and misleading phrase) were banned in Nov 2003, what is your issue with them? Does this man that you do support the right of choice for other non-DX abortion procedures? If not what is your argument against them -- based on relevant non-DX points. (To argue that non-DX abortions are bad because DX abortions are bad, is, well, kind of inept --- or manipulative.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? http://www.ipas.org/english/womens%5Fhealth/abortion%5Fmethods/ Depends on your definition of violent, I guess. One of the two first-trimester abortion methods, dilation and curettage or DC, is commonly performed for reasons other than abortion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? http://www.ipas.org/english/womens%5Fhealth/abortion%5Fmethods/ Depends on your definition of violent, I guess. One of the two first-trimester abortion methods, dilation and curettage or DC, is commonly performed for reasons other than abortion. Thanks. The only sites I could find searching for abortion violence is for violence against abortion providers, not for the procedure itself. Abortion Provider Violence Statistics: * 7 Murders * 17 Attempted Murders * 41 Bombings * 168 Arsons * 82 Attempted Bombings/Arsons * 373 Invasions * 1048 Incidences of Vandalism * 591 Incidences of Trespassing * 125 Incidences of Assault and Battery * 357 Death Threats * 3 Kidnappings * 76 Incidences of Burglary Abortion Provider Disruption Statistics: * 9790 Incidences of Hate Mail/Calls * 578 Bomb Threats * 68886 Incidences of Picketing Abortion Provider Clinic Blockades: * 686 Blockades * 33830 Arrests Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? Thats kind of a weird question. I meanpregnancy itself is a violent take over of your body. Parasitic in nature. Your body views it as a virus and that is why we get sick as the body tries to get rid of it. These words really make pregnancy sound like an illness doesnt it? My point is that EVERYTHING is perception To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? That's kind of a weird question. Well it was kind of a wierd claim implying that all abortions are violent. It doesn't ring true. Thus the wierd question -- to clarify. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do some research on partial birth abortion. This will help you to decide what a baby looks likein case you are not sure. P.S. In response to others: naturally ejaculated sperm, menstruation (where an unfertilize egg is discarded), and spontaneous miscarriage are not violently induced--like legal abortion. Again, refer to the literature on partial birth abortion. So are you against all abortion -- as implied in previous posts? Or are you only opposed to partial-birth abortions? Or are you opposed to both but playing bait and switch / strawman games? If violently induced is your criteria for opposing abortion, then you would appear to approve of the use of the morning after pill and the oral abortion pill. Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? I think abortion is a violent act also when done in the early stages. But mild compared to other sorts of violence that is abundant in human societies. To be born as an unwanted child to parents who are not capable or fully willing of taking proper care of their off- spring is the recipe for making violently acting individuals. I am much more concerned about this more brutal violence in society and how to diminish it. I respect every woman's right to determine if she wants to have a child or not. Abundant societal support for young mothers or families would help to enhance the desire to raise an unexpected child. In societies where women are in low position and where they are valued only as mothers, children are not wanted as themselves, but as a means to get appreciation and someone to take care of you. Good education and free abortion for women are good medicines in those circumstances. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? That's kind of a weird question.. I mean.pregnancy itself is a violent take over of your body. Parasitic in nature. Your body views it as a virus and that is why we get sick as the body tries to get rid of it. These words really make pregnancy sound like an illness doesn't it? My point is that EVERYTHING is perception Another point: first-trimster abortion done in a medical facility is less risky to the woman's health than actually carrying the fetus to term and giving birth--especially for very young women. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? That's kind of a weird question. Well it was kind of a wierd claim implying that all abortions are violent. It doesn't ring true. Thus the wierd question -- to clarify. And another thought on violence--giving birth is the most violent natural event the human body can undergo, both for the mother and the baby. Many miscarriages--spontaneous abortions--are similarly violent, especially at later stages of the pregnancy, much more so than a first-trimester abortion. The violence objection *per se* is a canard. It's an underhanded appeal to the emotions, entirely independent of fact and logic. That's not to say there are no legitimate objections, just that this one is not at all straightforward. However, all the legitimate objections have to do with *beliefs*, not with knowable, clearcut facts. (Nothing wrong with an objection based on belief as long as one doesn't try to disguise it as factual, of course.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do some research on partial birth abortion. This will help you to decide what a baby looks likein case you are not sure. P.S. In response to others: naturally ejaculated sperm, menstruation (where an unfertilize egg is discarded), and spontaneous miscarriage are not violently induced--like legal abortion. Again, refer to the literature on partial birth abortion. So are you against all abortion -- as implied in previous posts? Or are you only opposed to partial-birth abortions? Or are you opposed to both but playing bait and switch / strawman games? If violently induced is your criteria for opposing abortion, then you would appear to approve of the use of the morning after pill and the oral abortion pill. Can anyone clarify with direct or spousal experience: Are abortions in the first trimester, particulary by second month, violent in nature. Is violent induction a reasonable and fair way to describe such early term abortions? I think abortion is a violent act also when done in the early stages. But mild compared to other sorts of violence that is abundant in human societies. To be born as an unwanted child to parents who are not capable or fully willing of taking proper care of their off- spring is the recipe for making violently acting individuals. I am much more concerned about this more brutal violence in society and how to diminish it. I respect every woman's right to determine if she wants to have a child or not. Abundant societal support for young mothers or families would help to enhance the desire to raise an unexpected child. In societies where women are in low position and where they are valued only as mothers, children are not wanted as themselves, but as a means to get appreciation and someone to take care of you. Good education and free abortion for women are good medicines in those circumstances. Irmeli Abortion is a very LOUSY form of birth control. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
You know.birth control pills and IUD's cause a mini abortion each month.(oh the horror). This is why we have pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions for Birth Control, etc. I can see people having issues with this, but they are their issues. How does one person or group tell others what is right or wrong? Kind on another tangent, and something I am curious what people think about is a thing called chimera where two fertilized eggs join together in the womb and produces one person with 2 distinct sets of DNA. They are quite literally their own twin. So for those people that swear life begins at conception.do they think there are 2 souls in one person? Chimera is really intriguing to me from this standpoint and I was curious what others thought about it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know.birth control pills and IUD's cause a mini abortion each month.(oh the horror). Well, only if the egg has been fertilized! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know.birth control pills and IUD's cause a mini abortion each month.(oh the horror). Well, only if the egg has been fertilized! Er, sorry, birth control pills prevent fertilization altogether; IUDs prevent a fertilized egg from implanting on the wall of the uterus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
Amen to that. What a wonderful country we live in--a country when all women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Go liberals --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a woman and a survivor of rape, all I can say is, God bless the US Supreme Court. I am pro-choice. But I am wondering how much choice would be curtailed if Roe v. Wade were overturned. It would not dissallow abortion, it would simply give the states the right to decide the issue. Which in pondering it, is more consistent with the view that law making should be at the most local level possible and the federal governement should be restricted to the explicit roles and powers it was designated in the constitution. In todays age, I speculate that no states, or at most only several states would disallow all abortions, even for rape and inceest. Up to 10 might dissallow it for all but the above and if the life of the mother were in danger. The rest would keep things as they are. And in some states, abortion might be more liberally allowed. And such non-abortion states would be boycotted by many groups, curtailing their conventions, travel and home manufacturing businesses. Over time, anti-abortion laws in the handful of states having them might liberalize under such pressure. With the advent of day after and later stage abortion pills available by mail order, and the ease of transportation to adjacent states, would overturning Roe v. Wade actually decrease choice by much? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
Your mom should have signed-up when she could have. --- bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to that. What a wonderful country we live in--a country when all women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Go liberals --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a woman and a survivor of rape, all I can say is, God bless the US Supreme Court. I am pro-choice. But I am wondering how much choice would be curtailed if Roe v. Wade were overturned. It would not dissallow abortion, it would simply give the states the right to decide the issue. Which in pondering it, is more consistent with the view that law making should be at the most local level possible and the federal governement should be restricted to the explicit roles and powers it was designated in the constitution. In todays age, I speculate that no states, or at most only several states would disallow all abortions, even for rape and inceest. Up to 10 might dissallow it for all but the above and if the life of the mother were in danger. The rest would keep things as they are. And in some states, abortion might be more liberally allowed. And such non-abortion states would be boycotted by many groups, curtailing their conventions, travel and home manufacturing businesses. Over time, anti-abortion laws in the handful of states having them might liberalize under such pressure. With the advent of day after and later stage abortion pills available by mail order, and the ease of transportation to adjacent states, would overturning Roe v. Wade actually decrease choice by much? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to that. What a wonderful country we live in--a country when all women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Go liberals Aside from your pejorative speculative assumptions (is a male ejacualtion an unborn child too? how about a menstration -- death of a potential life just because a woman was to lazy to get knocked up, huh?) what is your proposed alternative? What is your ideal sexual / birth / family word? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to that. What a wonderful country we live in--a country when all women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Go liberals Aside from your pejorative speculative assumptions (is a male ejacualtion a universe of unborn children too? How about menstruation -- death of a potential life just because a woman was to lazy to get knocked up, huh?) --- what is your proposed alternative? What does your ideal sexual / birth /family / state interventionist / body ownership world look like ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Isn't unborn children sort of the null set? What defines a child? When it can sustain life on its own? When sperm hits ovum? When a man ejaculates? Are all of a woman's eggs potential life and thus sacred and thus should not be wasted or killed? What about the twinkle in a prospective father's eye? Is that the genesis of a child? Is your definition any better than any of the above? So you want the state to mandate your personal vision of conception and morality? Do you want to raise the children of people who have a different view? Just curious. (Btw, should women with miscarriages be tried for manslaughter?) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to that. What a wonderful country we live in--a country when all women have the right to decide to kill their unborn children. Go liberals Aside from your pejorative speculative assumptions (is a male ejacualtion a universe of unborn children too? How about menstruation -- death of a potential life just because a woman was to lazy to get knocked up, huh?) Not to mention that up to one of every two unborn children is *spontaneously* aborted. --- what is your proposed alternative? What does your ideal sexual / birth /family / state interventionist / body ownership world look like ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
