If you can give up striving, you'll be in an
enlightened state. But striving, like craving,
is very difficult to overcome. The very moment
you desire to be enlightened, you are off the
program. LoL!
You should not have any thought about gaining
a state of enlightenment. All you need to do is
The quest for enlightenment begins with a sales pitch, basically that it is the
most wonderful thing ever. That is the bait on the hook. The problem is
sticking with the bait.
The unified field, however you look at it, is said to be everything. Well,
everything is already here. Awakening, real
ort it too."
From: sparaig
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
I'm not sure where I mentioned "out of character" and "releasing stress" in
this conversation, but
I'm not sure where I mentioned "out of character" and "releasing stress" in
this conversation, but it might apply...
The DLF implies that there are teachers specifically trained to work with PTSD
victims. Perhaps they have more detailed instructions on how to deal with
unstressing.
L
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I have said to myself and been reviled for it here on wonderful FFL
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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> > From: sparaig
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:00 AM
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
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> > I actually agree with you th
Don't fret Lawson, it won't be.
From: sparaig
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote
Very very well said!
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> MMY's TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
[...]
> I actually agree with you that Marshy was wrong. There is what
> actually happens to meditators (not all that much if we are honest)
> and there is the supporting dogma that everyone still clings to that
> makes TM out to be the
t, but individuals can choose to indulge in bad behavior
> > whenever they want, then what good is TM ultimately? If meditators and
> > sidhas of many years standing do these kinds of things then the scientific
> > claims for TM fall a bit short. Have at it FFL.
> >
&g
bit short. Have at it FFL.
>
>
>
>
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> From: curtisdeltablues
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:48 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
>
>
>
> Â
> Very cool r
claimed for it, but individuals can choose to indulge in bad behavior
> whenever they want, then what good is TM ultimately? If meditators and sidhas
> of many years standing do these kinds of things then the scientific claims
> for TM fall a bit short. Have at it FFL.
>
>
>
ife@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
Very cool response Lawson. I appreciate that. And I do dig that you put out
research for us to think about concerning brain states in TM. I am still a
work in progress in analyzing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
>
> curtisdeltablues:
> > Very cool response Lawson. I appreciate that.
> > And I do dig that you put out research for
> > us to think about concerning brain states in
> > TM.
> >
> You're all over the place today, Curtis - a
>
curtisdeltablues:
> Very cool response Lawson. I appreciate that.
> And I do dig that you put out research for
> us to think about concerning brain states in
> TM.
>
You're all over the place today, Curtis - a
few minutes ago you were posting that Lawson
was posting anti-intellectual statement
Very cool response Lawson. I appreciate that. And I do dig that you put out
research for us to think about concerning brain states in TM. I am still a
work in progress in analyzing any of this, and find the initial biases daunting
to cut through. But the subject is worthy of discussion and I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
>
> > > So, even if one practices and "masters" jhana
> > > techniques, one really isn't doing anything
> > > spiritually good. You can see signs of this in
> > > the entire world-wide Buddhist culture that
> > > celebrates p
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > > So, even if one practices and "masters" jhana techniques, one really
> > > isn't doing anything spiritually good. You can see signs of this in the
> > > entire wo
It is certainly true that I don't really *know* what meditation techniques are
better or best, or if the TM definition of enlightenment is right or wrong or
if the end-result of consistently produced coherent gamma EEG from most other
techniques isn't the same or better than the end result of co
> > So, even if one practices and "masters" jhana
> > techniques, one really isn't doing anything
> > spiritually good. You can see signs of this in
> > the entire world-wide Buddhist culture that
> > celebrates people burning themselves alive as
> > a good thing.
>
Curtis:
> I am very intere
sparig:
> Afterall, since they are without a "self," it's not wrong
> for them to do violence to a specific living thing: their
> own physical body.
>
There are going to be radicals in any spiritual movement
including Buddhism. But, there have been billions of
Buddhists over the years and only
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > So, even if one practices and "masters" jhana techniques, one really isn't
> > doing anything spiritually good. You can see signs of this in the entire
> > world-wide Buddhist culture that celebrates people burning themselves alive
>
> > Samadhi: 1. Sanskrit (Saúmaúdhi) n. Jap., sanmai or
> > zanmai 2. Nirvana, Parinirvana 3. from the root word
> > 'Sam', to establish, make firm. 4. A conscious experience
> > that lies beyond waking, dreaming, and deep sleep.
> > 5. A non-meditative meditative mental equipoise.
> >
cardem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> All of the samatha practices that have been studied, start out as simple
> relaxation techniques, producing some level of coherent alpha, just as TM
> does. However, over time, practitioners start to show more and more gamma EEG
> -th
sparaig:
> There is a reference to turiya in the mandukya
> upanishad.
>
>From what I've read, you are correct; 'turiya' is
Sanskrit for 'fourth' The Mandukhya Upanishad is
the keystone in the arch of Shankara's Adwaita
Vedanta.
The scripture was made famous by Gaudapadacharya,
the teacher of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> yeah, makes sense. Thanks - Mindfulness in waking state leads to all kinds of
> ridiculous conclusions.
>
> Once the mind is emptier, resting in silence, it is naturally mindful anyway.
> Once the mind stops spinning, it beco
> "If God can be found through the medium of any drug, God is not worthy of
> being God." -- Meher Baba
Sounds like Meher got ripped off on that last bag he bought, all stems and
shake. And he's pissed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLif
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
>
>
>
> emptybill:
> > ...we have experienced death many times. If death
> > is a samadhi, then where has the "samadhi" gone?
> >
> In fact, the word Samadhi seems to have been deliberately
> avoided, except in the case of t
There is a reference to turiya in the mandukya upanishad.
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
>
>
>
> emptybill:
> > ...we have experienced death many times. If death
> > is a samadhi, then where has the "samadhi" gone?
> >
> In fact, the word Samadhi seems t
All of the samatha practices that have been studied, start out as simple
relaxation techniques, producing some level of coherent alpha, just as TM does.
However, over time, practitioners start to show more and more gamma EEG -the
signature of paying attention to specific objects of attention- bo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
> Forty-three years transcending through the lens of Saraswati(Knowledge of
> Nature), experience and understanding higher states of consciousness by the
> grace of Shankaracharya, a dose of stability and adventure, 3.5 grams dried
> p
yeah, makes sense. Thanks - Mindfulness in waking state leads to all kinds of
ridiculous conclusions.
Once the mind is emptier, resting in silence, it is naturally mindful anyway.
Once the mind stops spinning, it becomes capable of actually resting on any
object, through the machinery of the s
emptybill:
> ...we have experienced death many times. If death
> is a samadhi, then where has the "samadhi" gone?
>
In fact, the word Samadhi seems to have been deliberately
avoided, except in the case of the later Vedanta work,
Vedantasara.
There is no reference in the Upanishads to a medi
So called "mindfulness", as taught in the Western world, is an
incomplete practice.
In the Buddhist traditions (the original source lineage), the practice
of mindfulness is preceded by the practice of jhana/dhyana-samaapatti.
Having successfully mastered regular 2-3 hour absorptions in the deep
s
Dunno about death, but the drug method seems to be temporary, and just because
you have feelings that can be described a certain way, doesn't mean it's the
real deal.
Look at the long-term results of practicing mindfulness on a physiological
level. Scary.
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.c
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
> Forty-three years transcending through the lens of Saraswati(Knowledge of
> Nature), experience and understanding higher states of consciousness by the
> grace of Shankaracharya, a dose of stability and adventure, 3.5 grams dried
> p
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