Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
How about: you all are having an Irony Man Decathalon? From: Bob Price To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess The Chairman of the board, and Ravi---before there was a Ravi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5_V9RT8aR8 From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:45:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60" wrote: > > > > Yes, I was practicing up on my irony. > > Your ironing you say? We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:31 PM, "Ann" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60" wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, I was practicing up on my irony. > > > > > > Your ironing you say? > > > > We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board. > > Yes, although I hear there might be a wrinkle or two in getting a decision. > The board is known to consist of starched shirt types who can really build up > a head of steam when pressed for this type of unanimous ruling. > LOL..that really cracked me up. > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
The Chairman of the board, and Ravi---before there was a Ravi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5_V9RT8aR8 From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:45:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60" wrote: > > > > Yes, I was practicing up on my irony. > > Your ironing you say? We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
OMG - can you please stop ganging up on my poor old aunt. Can't you see how gentle I am with her? On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:02 PM, obbajeeba wrote: > I found a copy of the rulinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8EKndHBy7U > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60" wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, I was practicing up on my irony. > > > > > > Your ironing you say? > > > > We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
So it's all about collusion (smile). Sorry about the embalming crack, I thought everyone knew which FFL contributor employs the on-line voice of an undertaker; don’t get me wrong, I like some of Xeno's contributions; for example, I wish he had contributed more about engrams; but he easily slides into pomposity, at which point Ravi enjoys making him look like the energizerbunny after he just got hit by lightening. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4FEn-ZKdDg From: sharelong60 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:41:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of the most fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in one innocent observation? PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold any fluids, embalming or otherwise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bobpriced" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little > > consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. > > ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I > can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid > salesmen---with little or no sense of humour. > > > PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups > > are cracked! > > ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the > clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ > > From: Bob Price > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of > > the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Share, are you saying when the child said: "But he isn't wearing anything > > at all!", he was making a fashion statement? > > > > I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem > > to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity. > > > > > > From: Share Long > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of > > the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why > > not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, > > some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure! > > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of > > the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about > > physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of > > vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your > > emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility > > and self-honesty are thy attributes. > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > >Â > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm > > >> breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its > > >> need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of > > >> needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in > > >> a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. > > >> People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need > > >> as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level > > >> what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable? > > > > > > > > Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be > > >grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so > > >very *relevant* to his point. > > > > > > > > > > Â Â > > >
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Can someone please help my aunt understand the difference between stupidity and irony? Emily? Am I asking too much? On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:32 PM, "sharelong60" wrote: > Yes, I was practicing up on my irony. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60" wrote: > > > > > > Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance > > > > Yep, Stumblin' Bob, we call him. > > > > (BTW, I think by "old embalming fluid salesmen," he was > > referring to Xeno.) > > > > , pointing out one of the most fun aspects of studying literature: > > different interpretations of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded > > king, me with my trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are > > willing to collude with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does > > the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in one innocent > > observation? > > > PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never > > > sold any fluids, embalming or otherwise. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bobpriced" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a > > > > > little consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. > > > > > > > > ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self > > > > awareness; I can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old > > > > embalming fluid salesmen---with little or no sense of humour. > > > > > > > > > PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown > > > > > ups are cracked! > > > > > > > > ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the > > > > clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bob Price > > > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the > > > > > myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share, are you saying when the child said: "But he isn't wearing > > > > > anything at all!", he was making a fashion statement? > > > > > > > > > > I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often > > > > > seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Share Long > > > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the > > > > > myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > > > > > > > Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But > > > > > why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of > > > > > course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go > > > > > figure! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula > > > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the > > > > > myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > > > > > > > Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking > > > > > about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the > > > > > queen of vulnerabi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Please ignore Bob dear, clearly Mrs. Price is mad at him and not letting him conduct any "bone-a-babe" clinical experiments and he is expressing his frustration. He will eventually wise up to your and Xeno's awesomeness. On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:41 PM, "sharelong60" wrote: > Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of the most > fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same > piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their > boots subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign > in his vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all > characters up in one innocent observation? > PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold > any fluids, embalming or otherwise. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bobpriced" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little > > > consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. > > > > ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I > > can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid > > salesmen---with little or no sense of humour. > > > > > PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups > > > are cracked! > > > > ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the > > clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bob Price > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth > > > of the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share, are you saying when the child said: "But he isn't wearing anything > > > at all!", he was making a fashion statement? > > > > > > I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem > > > to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity. > > > > > > > > > From: Share Long > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth > > > of the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > > > Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why > > > not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, > > > some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure! > > > > > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth > > > of the invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > > > Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about > > > physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of > > > vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your > > > emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility > > > and self-honesty are thy attributes. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm > > > >> breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of > > > >> its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of > > > >> needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths > > > >> in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long > > > >> time. People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains > > > >> don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, > > > >> physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be > > > >> vulnerable? > > > > > > > > > > > Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be > > > >grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so > > > >very *relevant* to his point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ravi Chivukula Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:42 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Thanks for that clarification Rick. I understand your constraints, if at all I was disappointed that my respect for you as someone who enables and supports free speech faltered as you handed over the moderator ship to an Amma fanatic. Anyway sanity's restored, Jim's back as the onwer/moderator - as usual people accuse of me of bullying, verbal abuse, dominating but he is able to see and appreciate the larger context of mine - thank god. I didn’t have time to do justice to it. I wasn’t reading the posts and couldn’t fairly make the value judgments required. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Rick Archer mailto:r...@searchsummit.com> > wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ravi Chivukula Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group - Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and I'm having a lot of fun. Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). I didn’t want to do it any more.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups are cracked! From: Bob Price To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Share, are you saying when the child said: "But he isn't wearing anything at all!", he was making a fashion statement? I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity. From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure! From: Ravi Chivukula To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend wrote: > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: >> > >> Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. >> Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen >> in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is >> THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some >> yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a >> long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, >> even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good >> to be vulnerable? > > Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be >grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so >very *relevant* to his point. > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Share, are you saying when the child said: "But he isn't wearing anything at all!", he was making a fashion statement? I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity. From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure! From: Ravi Chivukula To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend wrote: > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: >> > >> Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. >> Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen >> in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is >> THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some >> yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a >> long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, >> even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good >> to be vulnerable? > > Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be >grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so >very *relevant* to his point. > >
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Well first thing Grandpa Xeno needs to understand is I do not approach matters of heart like him, like some cold, psychopathic, "bone-a-babe" clinical experiments. I'm a real sensitive, compassionate, vulnerable lover. As it is I find it hard to fall in love and I was apparently cursed and the existence played a cruel, twisted joke by making me fall in love with a woman who is currently fantasizing on Amma. So yeah you all have to deal with my sexually frustrated insults in the interim :-) On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:57 AM, obbajeeba wrote: > ** > > > I think the term shared by Xeno to Ravi, "Bone a babe," was giving good > elderly advice. Xeno, having had many experiences is wondering why a young > fit hunk like Ravi would be spending his days posting on boards, when in > Xeno's mind, that is the LAST thing Xeno would be doing if he had his > chance to do it over, and those three words as blunt as they are, are to > the point as in, "No time to waste cuz life creeps up on you fast, better > go use it before you loose it," type of wisdom. :) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > > > > > *sigh* > > > > > > > > Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his > Universal, > > > > abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag. > > > > > > > > But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never > > > > fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never > have > > > > played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets, > but he > > > > certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs > fail once > > > > I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be > redeemed > > > > because that bitter, sullen old man loves me. > > > > > > Xeno will forever be remembered in my mind as the man who said "bone a > babe". I have never quite heard it said like this and coming from him it > opened my eyes a little bit. Now all this talk about Charlie M with his > unquotable quotes. Ravi, you have finally gotten to the Xenon, you hit some > tragic nerve and all Spock-like control has left him, for a few moments. > > > > > > > > Yes, I was unpleasantly surprised by that expression, too. Sounds so > clinical, like de-boning a fish or a chicken. Definitely some social > integration needed for Zee-no. Hope he doesn't meet any "babes" in the > meantime. > > > > >
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Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure! From: Ravi Chivukula To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend wrote: > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: >> > >> Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. >> Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen >> in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is >> THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some >> yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a >> long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, >> even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good >> to be vulnerable? > > Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be >grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so >very *relevant* to his point. > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Jason, thanks so much for great article by Dr. Ramachandran, a man who seems to be bridging the chasm between the philosophers and the scientists. I find his communication style very accessible and in amazon there are reviews that indicate this gift carries over into the book. Here's an old TED talk of his: http://www.ted.com/talks/vilayanur_ramachandran_on_your_mind.html From: Jason To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Maharishi failed to tell you that if the brain has serious hardware problems, TM is practically useless. Other schools have already acknowledged this. http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece --- Share Long wrote: > > Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total paranoia, > and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off right there > IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on reptilian brain. > Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, all about survival and > unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story. > > > > --- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie > > like you? > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius > > Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows > you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest > Charles Manson: > > 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own > time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair > unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm > free?' > > 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it > Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. It's there. It's the will of life.' > > 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You > can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.' > > 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely > aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert â€" it's the same thing, > man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware > of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees > everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia > is total awareness.' > > 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have > to do as much.' >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Doc, of course keep him locked up and probably in solitary confinement too. But is that it?! Are you saying that nothing should be done to try to fix his brain? From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess I have read a lot about him, and watched his interviews in the past. He is simply a con artist. He grew up in the prison system, and I wouldn't believe the guy if he told me the sun would rise tomorrow. He is very easy to see through - no mystery at all. Scum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total paranoia, > > and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off right there > > IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on reptilian brain. > > Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, all about survival > > and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to acknowledge yet know that's > > not the whole story. > > Any attempt to analyze Manson and what motivates him is not only frivolous > but probably dangerous. Reptilian brains aside, a thinking cap might prove > useful here. > > > > > > > > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the > > invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > > > > >  > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > wrote: > > > > > Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless > > > zombie like you? > > > > Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows > > you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest > > Charles Manson: > > > > 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our > > own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my > > affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you > > see I'm free?' > > > > 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it > > Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world > > up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. > > It's there. It's the will of life.' > > > > 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You > > can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.' > > > > 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, > > completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert â€" it's > > the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert > > delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, > > smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of total > > paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.' > > > > 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't > > have to do as much.' > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off right there IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on reptilian brain. Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, all about survival and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie > like you? Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest Charles Manson: 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm free?' 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. It's there. It's the will of life.' 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.' 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert — it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.' 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have to do as much.'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
"Ravi, did you get anymore out of Xeno's statement above, or is it just me?" No dear, I'm in the same boat yeah. I'm telling you it's hard to make Grandpa Xeno give up his universal, abstract constructs easily but once he does he sounds totally deranged. He has this weird fascination with serial killers and psychopaths and sociopaths and it comes out - I'm used to it now, but yeah you will get used to it eventually. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, obbajeeba wrote: > ** > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > > Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless > zombie like you? > > > > Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing > shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I > suggest Charles Manson: > > > > 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do > our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really > my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you > see I'm free?' > > > > 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it > Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world > up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. > It's there. It's the will of life.' > > > > 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. > You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.' > > > > 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, > completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert — it's the > same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert > delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, > smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of total > paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.' > > > > 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't > have to do as much.' > > > "Do less and accomplish more." Huh? > Just sit with your eyes close and hand over all your money. If you have > none left, than you have bad karma. The coyote's paranoiaShare, where > are you, you can explain better than Xeno Anorexias. I am not even sure how > to tackle his logic here. Go with the flow, giving money does not make > poverty go away. "Oh say can you see! By the dawn's early light!" > Xenotardness prevails as the twilight's last gleeming! How about those Sox, > eh? Can't fly from your pants, but a fly is on your pants! Do nothing, stop > typing, stop acting, stop producing, but step right up and sign up here and > see the amazing Bearded Woman! Come and see her now! Only $2.00 USD. > Go within, forget about the kitchari on the stove! Burn, burn, burn, do > nothing, eat the center, accomplish pretzels! > Sorry Xeno, this is about the state of awareness you seem to be in. Just > an example of Christ, Coyote awareness? > Poop. I am posting more and doing less. Just be. Ravi, did you get anymore > out of Xeno's statement above, or is it just me? > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
*sigh*
Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his Universal,
abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag.
But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never
fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never have
played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets, but he
certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs fail once
I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be redeemed
because that bitter, sullen old man loves me.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM, obbajeeba wrote:
> **
>
>
> Xeno Exustio Offensio Vulnus Anorexias, "Bone a babe?" Come on! Really?
> You need social skills! Here;
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIuuktFTn0
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius <
> > anartaxius@... wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > ​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno?
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The
> man of
> > > > the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
> > >
> > > You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break
> out of
> > > that mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you post?
> > >
> > > 'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., {
> > > categorisation remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.
> > >
> > > You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some
> > > social skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts.
> > >
> >
> > ​Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless
> zombie
>
> > like you? LOL..I am a natural charmer, I easily charm and entertain and
> > captivate an audience. It shows how alienated from reality and how
> > hopelessly deluded you are, you idiot.
> >
> > Did you read Bob Price from last night, that I make insults sing and
> dance?
> >
> > I spend lot of intelligence in my insults - whereas you SPEND ZERO
> > INTELLIGENCE AND ZERO CREATIVITY in your Universal, abstract constructs.
> >
> > My insults are highly customized for each individual you ignorant fool -
> > show me where I reuse my insults - who else have I accused of using
> > Universal, abstract constructs other than you?
> >
> > I only use generic insults when I'm still in the bait, provoke mode,
> still
> > collecting some information on an individual, building my dossier.
> >
> > ​
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius <
anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> **
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> wrote:
>
> > ​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno?
>
> >
> > You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The man of
> > the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
>
> You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break out of
> that mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you post?
>
> 'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., {
> categorisation remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.
>
> You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some
> social skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts.
>
Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie
like you? LOL..I am a natural charmer, I easily charm and entertain and
captivate an audience. It shows how alienated from reality and how
hopelessly deluded you are, you idiot.
Did you read Bob Price from last night, that I make insults sing and dance?
I spend lot of intelligence in my insults - whereas you SPEND ZERO
INTELLIGENCE AND ZERO CREATIVITY in your Universal, abstract constructs.
My insults are highly customized for each individual you ignorant fool -
show me where I reuse my insults - who else have I accused of using
Universal, abstract constructs other than you?
I only use generic insults when I'm still in the bait, provoke mode, still
collecting some information on an individual, building my dossier.
>
>
>
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Thanks for that clarification Rick. I understand your constraints, if at all I was disappointed that my respect for you as someone who enables and supports free speech faltered as you handed over the moderator ship to an Amma fanatic. Anyway sanity's restored, Jim's back as the onwer/moderator - as usual people accuse of me of bullying, verbal abuse, dominating but he is able to see and appreciate the larger context of mine - thank god. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > ** > > > *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ravi Chivukula > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:42 AM > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the > myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess > > ** ** > > > > Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group > - Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week > and I'm having a lot of fun. > > Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's > devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the > owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to > June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed > over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). > > I didn’t want to do it any more. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend wrote: > ** > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm > breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its > need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing > oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment > than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who > have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen > in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality > to which it is good to be vulnerable? > > Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be > grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so > very *relevant* to his point. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius < anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Ravi: > 'Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am > indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I > will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully adapt to > the new reality.' > > Ravi, you do not have to adapt to a new reality. You are the reality. Must > be some cobwebs in there somewhere. Vulnerability comes with the territory. > You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno? You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The man of the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-) > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Maybe I should start a BA group, Breathers Anonymous? From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess You, Share, over there, separate from me, yeah you... YOU are an oxygen addict! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. > Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen > in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is > THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some > yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long > time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even > on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be > vulnerable? > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:54 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the > invincible, infallible Goddess > > > > Â > Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am > indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I > will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully > adapt to the new reality. >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ravi Chivukula Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group - Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and I'm having a lot of fun. Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). I didn’t want to do it any more.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Hey Doc - thank you, yes indeed a natural fascination/attraction for other cultures, there's healthy and unhealthy and you are right I got to see lot of unhealthy aping of Hindu customs around Amma. "Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually "special" just because you are Indian - lol" No - dear God no. Because all my life, pre-2009 I have acted normal, extremely introverted except at work and focused on my career and family. Post-2009 it's a different story - it's either a loving, playful, sincere, supportive act with friends and totally outrageous, crazy, witty, silly - hell bent on mocking, confusing, perplexing people and pushing their buttons with my act. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:38 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com < no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > ** > > > Ooops - "Conversely, met a lot of brown and black people..." > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... > wrote: > > > > Its a weird fucking thing - I have met a lot of white people in the US > who have some desire at some point, to be black or brown, "ethnic", or, > "exotic". Your descriptions of all the, "my precious little brown sister" > stuff, around Amma, reminds me of it. Conversely, met a lot of brown and > people that want to be whiter. I grew up as a minority white kid, but I > also tanned - lol, and spoke the languages of the countries where I lived. > > Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually "special" just because you > are Indian - lol? > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" > wrote: > > > > > > Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of > > > religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or > > > paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective, > > > spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby leaves the person > > > invulnerable to reality. > > > > > > So an important premise of the definition is that each of us human > > > beings are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced > > > by reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like > > > to objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a > > > mysterious, dynamic, organic entity) > > > > > > Once an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of > > > religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I > > > choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, > > > hopelessly deceived and deluded. > > > > > > Amma - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then > > > enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be > > > possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old > superstitious > > > beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious, > > > dynamic, organic entity. > > > > > > Here Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and > > > uneducated fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also > > > enacted these myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must > > > have played along as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore, > > > their beliefs. > > > > > > Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity > for > > > a long time. > > > > > > Now you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery > > > constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her > > > conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an > incredulous > > > narrative of 18th century woo-woo. > > > > > > And on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further > > > and elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards - > > > even a doctorate follows. > > > > > > Westerners burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by > > > this existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves > > > from reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and > > > complexities were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale > > > who a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing > > > Saint. > > > > > > It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long - > > > the majority anyway. > > > > > > So will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a > > > mere instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma? > > > Amma - a mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned > > > charlatan? > > > > > > Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am > > > indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality > - > > > I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully > > > adapt to the new reality. > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs & the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group - Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and I'm having a lot of fun. Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). So he made the archives private while he could delete all attack posts, he invited me back as well. Unfortunately he ran into several Yahoo bugs where he lost the ability to delete posts and to make the archives public again - he is still working on it. And so I make sure I duplicate some of my posts here so it's publicly searchable. Thank you for sharing your experiences. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:35 PM, RoryGoff wrote: > ** > > > OK, sounds good, Ravi; it is good to have a mission statement. > > If you are asking me, I have no idea of who Amma really is, any more than > I do of who anyone really is. I have never been particularly wowed by Amma, > personally, but that may just be me, a question of "chemistry" perhaps. > Other people whom I do respect a great deal, do respect Amma a great deal, > and I appreciate the magnitude of the devotion they bring to the table. My > feelings for Maharishi have gone through the entire gamut over the past 40 > years, and I find now I can hold no one view paramount, to the exclusion of > all the rest. > > Personally, I enjoy devotion, at times, and in one sense it probably > doesn't matter too much what the object of one's devotion "really" is. If > one can feel devotion for and see the divine in a rock, why not in a > person, flawed though they most certainly are from other points of view? On > the other hand, it appears to me that we do tend to assume the qualities of > our object of devotion, and cultic abuse may subconsciously be carried down > through the generations. Or maybe we are just drawn to that particular cult > because it matches our own abuse history and patterns. Or both. Of course, > it is good to use our intellect in conjunction (and I do mean conjunction) > with our heart. > > I do think we are probably all deceived and deluded to some extent. I know > I certainly am, at any rate. All we can do is try to take the feedback into > account, and learn, and grow. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" > wrote: > > > > Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of > > religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or > > paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective, > > spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby leaves the person > > invulnerable to reality. > > > > So an important premise of the definition is that each of us human > > beings are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced > > by reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like > > to objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a > > mysterious, dynamic, organic entity) > > > > Once an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of > > religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I > > choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, > > hopelessly deceived and deluded. > > > > Amma - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then > > enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be > > possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious > > beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious, > > dynamic, organic entity. > > > > Here Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and > > uneducated fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also > > enacted these myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must > > have played along as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore, > > their beliefs. > > > > Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for > > a long time. > > > > Now you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery > > constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her > > conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous > > narrative of 18th century woo-woo. > > > > And on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further > > and elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards - > > even a doctorate follows. > > > > Westerners burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by > > this existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves > > from reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and > > complexities were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale > > who a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this l
