--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
There is a lot of research on TM, but the quality of most of that research is
not particularly good, which is one of the reasons it is not taken seriously.
IN 2013, teh American Heart Asosication published a paper on alternate forms
.
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So it isn't anything to do with the unified field? I could have told you that.
But maybe people watched it and just don't share your confidence about what it
all means?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Did any of you guys even bother to watch the video on EEG
I would say that tehre's a lot LESS to it than that.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Well, Barry, actually there is more to it than that. It's been a long time for
you, and as we all know, you have a lousy memory that is getting worse the
older you become.
The technique of TM is think a mantra but don't try.
There, now you can be sure that no-one will ever pay a cent to teh TM
organization again, because learning from a one-line webpage text is the same
as learning from a teacher trained to make a carefully choreographed
presentation.
L
OBviously you didn't look at the video link I gave of Alaric Arenander's talk
on EEG and TM.
The last minute or so is a before/after of a guy who had been practicing TM
and teh TM-SIdhis for several years on the Invincible America Course.
Regardless of how trivial the techniques seem,
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OBviously you didn't look at the video link I gave of Alaric Arenander's talk
on EEG
Perhaps you're so highly evolved you didn't need it, Lawson, but my Center
Invincibility Course took six weekends, plus the two-week flying block at MIU.
That was a whole lot of instruction in how to use the sutras.
I would say that tehre's a lot LESS to it than that.
Well,
Well, my point was that the practice itself, like TM, is incredibly simple.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Perhaps you're so highly evolved you didn't need it, Lawson, but my Center
Invincibility Course took six weekends, plus the two-week flying block at
Barry's claim was that you could get a book with all the sutras in it and so
didn't need to take the course. That's what I was responding to.
Well, my point was that the practice itself, like TM, is incredibly simple.
L
Perhaps you're so highly evolved you didn't need it, Lawson,
Nice editing. You are conveniently dishonest when it suits you.
I don't get why you find communicating so difficult, as soon as you get on the
losing side of an argument you start railing and twisting against irrelevant
points that are all perfectly valid in an argument against the ME by
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Nice editing. You are conveniently dishonest when it suits you.
I don't get why you find
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is not impressive and mundane alternative hypotheses offer plausible
explanations for the findings.”23
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to such a
dumbfuck idea as to want to prove it.
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I don't know
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The point I don't understand, Lawson, is WHY anyone would want
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I don't know if Barry ever suggested that (he never mentioned it to me that I
remember) but I've been suggestiing variations on that idea for decades. The
problem has been that Fred Travis' original research along
alternative hypotheses offer plausible explanations
for the findings.”23
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turq, I think it's part of human nature to want to share
Those are excellent points. The ME is the reason behind the yagya program as
well, as supposedly the effect of yagya enhances or is similar to ME so that
world peace can be achieved by yagya (ignoring that fact that India itself is a
rather rough place to live for most of its population even
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turq, I think it's part of human nature to want to share with others whatever
we
.
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limo.
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plausible
explanations for the findings.”23
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Nice editing. You
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
The point I don't understand, Lawson, is WHY anyone would want to do
research to validate or prove something as ludicrous as We can affect
other people and the world by bouncing around on our butts on slabs of foam.
Please
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Nope. Well, Turquoiseb is in error about
his 1978 assertion and you are wrong
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Nope. Well, Turquoiseb is in error about his 1978 assertion and you are
wrong for thinking he is right.
I am not. I was there, and was on one of the first TM Sidhi courses
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Anticipating
.
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Nope. Well, Turquoiseb is in error about his 1978 assertion and you are
wrong for thinking he is right.
I am not. I was there, and was on one of the first TM Sidhi courses
in
Fairfield - guess they got that one wrong - also love the comment about
Marshy's stretch limo.
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Marshy's stretch limo.
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Anticipating comments from cult
, turquoiseb@...
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Nope.
Well, Turquoiseb is in error about
his 1978
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Bucky, I do give the Old Goat ALL the respect he actually deserves and that's a
fact.
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Anticipating comments from cult apologist masters
disputing
were born in India
feel the same way she says.
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Did any of her Hindu friends read the actual transcript or see the tape, or are
they relying on Trancenet's unforgettable image of ravening Gods jostling each
other to feed at the stomachs of TMers around the world to get their share of
the mythical Soma or your humans as a buffet line for soma
they PAY them to do so... :-)
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turquoiseb
when they PAY them to do so... :-)
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turquoiseb
On 4/4/2014 3:45 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
The point I don't understand, Lawson, is WHY anyone would want to do
research to validate or prove
So, you don't have all the answers. Apparently Rama levitating was
actually just a series of point-instants that appear and disappear
instantly - so
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I recall the marketing for the TM-Sidhi
programme and it was pretty much as Barry has said. I found
the following
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Did any of her Hindu friends read the actual transcript or see the tape
You know exactly what my point is here, Barry, and you also know it has nothing
to do with belief in any of this on my part. If the transcript of the tape is
accurate, neither of those descriptions are justifiable in terms of what
Maharishi actually said. Apparently the ideas Maharishi was
His Holiness Brahmananda Saraswati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmananda_Saraswati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmananda_Saraswati
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Umm, forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by his time with Saraswati?
this is the
or a monumental liar. I vote for
both.
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oh that Saraswati - I thought you meant the goddess of knowledge
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?
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contact her and ask her if you want to know - she was actually referring to
other aspects
There is a lot of research on TM, but the quality of most of that research is
not particularly good, which is one of the reasons it is not taken seriously.
The movement is not interested in scientific truth. It is hard to tell if the
movement is interested in ending suffering at all. While
I believe at one time they tried to search for 'soma' at MIU, but the research
led to no result, and if that was the case, it is unlikely the result would
have been publicised. I remember a time when new governors were coming back to
the U.S. from courses. They were eating a lot of white sugar
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... It's actually similar to your disingenuous claim that Maharishitaught
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Did any of her
Hindu
And as you know, there's more to the TMSP than that.
Not surprised all you could come up with was a lame wisecrack for one part of
my post and had to ignore the rest. Too close to home.
... It's actually similar to your disingenuous claim that Maharishi taught
that bouncing
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And as you know, there's more to the TMSP than that.
As I know, there really isn't.
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Did
Well, Barry, actually there is more to it than that. It's been a long time for
you, and as we all know, you have a lousy memory that is getting worse the
older you become.
And as you know, there's more to the TMSP than that.
As I know, there really isn't.
.
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Wonderfully expressed!
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that refined
product is food itself for derision. He was either
superstitious or a monumental liar. I vote for
both.
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And as you know, there's more to the TMSP than that.
As I know, there really isn't.
.
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of an attachment to such
a dumbfuck idea as to want to prove it.
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I don't know if Barry ever
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The point I don't understand, Lawson, is WHY anyone
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If you are still so averse to the truth about what a fool you were to pay
thousands of dollars for a bunch of English language phrases you could have
read in cheap paperback and how to think them that you still have to pretend
, turquoiseb@... wrote :
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turq, I think it's part of human nature to want
Did any of you guys even bother to watch the video on EEG done by Alaric
Arenander that I linked to. The entirity of the 4 higher states of
consciousness was shown in the EEG, I suspect.
I could draw parallels between each major higher stage of consciousness that
MMY talked about, and the
A puja means whatever the person doing it says it means, so the fact that there
is a puja involved means nothing more than a Hindu started the organization.
Unless, of course, you think the puja is doing something special for the sake
of the student, in which case, its, by definnition,
Probably a good portion of the Shankaracharya Order at that time had positive
feelings towards Hitler.
The student of Gurudev's who eventually became the court-appointed
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, had been a Hindu freedom figher, likely with a
price on his head as a terrorist against teh
friends who were
born in India feel the same way she says.
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Share, the money to teach TM to disadvantaged people comes from donations.
Aside from a few pilot projects on TM and PTSD, almost all TM research dollars
these days are coming from the NIH and other grants-giving governmental bodies.
Any large donations are for pandits or Invincible America
Teh statistic was skewed. For one week, the homicide rate was double the
average. THAT was what was picked up by the press and extrapolated for the
entire 8 week period.
True Believers want the research to be true Skeptics are often as desperate to
be sure that it is false. The reality is
Ambiguous is as good as false. When you look at the actual US government data
for the year, broken down week by week, you can't see any drops in crime
levels, sure there are dips all over the place but the one in August is no
bigger than the one in March so if you are claiming that coherence
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Ambiguous
is as good as false. When you look at the actual US
Salyavin, I posted a link to the study. Have a look at it, please, in
particular the explanation of the methodology. It's a lot more complicated than
you think to determine whether the rate actually went down during the study
period. The issue is whether, in the absence of the meditating group,
, they wouldn't have to lie to
sell it.
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it.
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As you accuse me of being unobjective I'm not going to bother reading the link
you posted. I've thought long and hard about this stuff for years, read all the
research (even had a set of the collective papers). I've probably read it
before anyway but even if I haven't everything I say about it
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As you accuse me of being unobjective
I'm not going to bother reading
First of all, you referred to the TM critics who portray Lawson as a cult
apologist, not you specifically, Salyavin. I was thinking primarily of Barry
and Michael in any case. What cult apologist is going to acknowledge that the
study results were ambiguous?
(Minor point, but we don't know
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Likewise, your notion that if there was anything to the Maharishi Effect, it
should have immediately resulted in a huge decrease in the crime rate is
absurd.
Why? If it works for some why not everyone. Why does the unified
Who says that the Maharishi Effect converts anyone?
Here is MY understanding of the Maharishi Effect:
TM, by its very nature, has a beneficial effect on the practitioners AND on
their surroundings. Group TM, by the nature of synergy, has a greater effect
than TM practiced outside of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Who says that the Maharishi Effect converts anyone?
Not me, what are you talking about? Oh, I see I convert for evidence that
means that you have to prove it before I take it seriously. I haven't seen any
worth chucking out my
Have a go at answering the rest of the points I raised?? You mean, the ones
where you put words in my mouth? OK...
I can only assume you think I'm not objective because I don't agree with you
about it.
Wrong. You made that up.
As I told you, I'm skeptical myself. But I have excellent
and mundane alternative hypotheses offer plausible
explanations for the findings.”23
On Thu, 4/3/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Research Shows Group Meditation Can Reduce Crime
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I took my *flying* block in DC during the big campaign there. There was a huge
spike in murders and shootings at the time. I guess the TM explanation was,
*well you should have seen what it would have been like had we not been there.*
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:27 AM, nablusoss1008
This is a bit misleading, Mike. Rates of aggravated assault and rape decreased
significantly from what would have been expected over the period of the study.
Robberies stayed about the same. And the homicide rate (around 10 per week)
over the eight weeks of the study was also about the same as
Judy, I don't remember the details but that it was a national concern at the
time on all the national news programs. It sure seems that there were more than
just ten homicides. Might have been ten homicides and ten or twenty non lethal
shootings in addition.
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:10 PM,
Mike, I'm tellin' ya the details. The news programs didn't get the whole story,
about the rate going way down the following week.
It was 10 homicides in 36 hours. That's a lot; of course it was on the news.
Homicides are around 3 percent of the total number of violent crimes
(homicide,
This is really interesting and pivotal, Authfriend. I got to come back and read
this. -Buck
authfriend writes:
Mike, I'm tellin' ya the details. The news programs didn't get the whole
story, about the rate going way down the following week.
It was 10 homicides in 36 hours. That's a
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