Re: blood testing for FeLV etc

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Or maybe it was a big drop? (Hard to quantify a drop. Do we know how many ml -- or some other measurement -- of blood is required?) Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Humm, ok, maybe it is 3 drops. I swear, I've seen vets do it and they only used a drop, but maybe they were

Re: blood testing for FeLV etc

2006-11-27 Thread Kelly L
At 06:07 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: Then why not get 'pipettes they can draw up several drops and then you should have what you need. Kelly L Humm, ok, maybe it is 3 drops. I swear, I've seen vets do it and they only used a drop, but maybe they were not doing it right. Phaewryn Please

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Candace, I'm sorry Pepper had to leave you. Gentle Bridge vibes to him, and hugs to you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Candace Doler Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pepper died

Re: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Marylyn
I am so sorry.seems like that is all I can say any more. Pepper may have waited until you were gone. He sends you love and gratitude from the other side. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures

Re: blood testing for FeLV etc

2006-11-27 Thread TenHouseCats
all i could remember was it was 4 drops of something--it's 3 drops of blood, and 4 of test solution. h--if vets aren't reading the directions and doing the test right, could explain some of the inaccurate results! On 11/26/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Humm, ok,

Re: OT Big problem, help

2006-11-27 Thread Kelly L
At 08:08 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: No two rescues operate alike. I have been to Kanab many times to volunteer and they are wonderful, but even with them I disagree on several policies regarding adoptions, the thing I really appreciate about them is that they do not speak negatively about any

RE: Genevieve

2006-11-27 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Continued vibes that Genevieve gets through this bad patch. Hugs to you for caring so very much. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:11 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: Genevieve

Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only

Re: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
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Re: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread dede hicken
Dear Candace, I am sorry for your loss. May you find comfort and peace. Pepper ws lucky to have had you. Dede --- Candace Doler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the

Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Peggy Ankney
Candace, I'm so sorry to hear about Pepper. It's hard to lose a friend. I'm sure you gave him your love, warmth, a good home and friendship. -Peggy, Montana, Karma, and Cassie

Re: blood testing for FeLV etc

2006-11-27 Thread Kelly L
At 06:07 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote: Actually they are just capillary tubes. Kelly Humm, ok, maybe it is 3 drops. I swear, I've seen vets do it and they only used a drop, but maybe they were not doing it right. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter,

Re: Petechia/Hemotomas and bloodwork results

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
You probably mean Doxycycline? An antibiotic? They usually try that assuming (or really hoping) it is Hemobart, an infection in the blood I think from fleas? Beth Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet called to say she would treat BooBo using Dioxy -- but she really hasn't

Re: OT Big problem, help

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
Honestly, they aren't all like that at all. I promise! I know lots of good rescuers. You're free to verbally run them down as you aren't in the business. I just try not to, since I believe we (rescuers) all need to cooperate as much as possible for the good of the animals. Go take a look at

Re: OT, I found something fun to do online

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
OOH, I'm putting a wiki on my rescue site, maybe you will want to contribute? I so wish there were 48 or so hours in the day. On 11/26/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check it out, I'm making wiki-how guides: This one was a requested one:

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:48 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pepper died Candace, I'm sorry to hear of Pepper's passing, and especially that it happened so

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Pepper died I'm sorry you lost Pepper Tracy - Original Message -

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Pepper died Candace, I'm sorry Pepper had to leave you. Gentle Bridge vibes to

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pepper died Candace, I am so very sorry. elizabeth

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pepper died Candace I am so sorry about your sweet Pepper.Hugs to you Sherry

Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
This is interesting. I'd never heard of it before. I'll have to ask my vet about it. He charges a lot more to run a test than the wellness clinic does though. On 11/27/06, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pepper died I am so sorry.seems like that is all I can say any more. Pepper may

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pepper died I'm so sorry for your loss Candace. Phaewryn Please

Re: blood testing for FeLV etc

2006-11-27 Thread TenHouseCats
actually, there is something in the instructions i think that quantifies a drop, or actually, the MINIMUM blood needed. it's even possible that idexx or one of the other companies has the instructions on line in a pdf file.. the thing with snap tests is they are very specific in the

Re: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread wendy
Candace, I am so sorry to hear about Pepper. I know you must feel badly that you weren't able to be there when he passed, but not being there doesn't discount all the years of love that you were able to give Pepper and all the times you were there for him. Bless you for all you did for him, and

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gussies mom Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pepper died So sorry about you loss. Beth Stamp

Re: Dr. Ward's consult

2006-11-27 Thread wendy
Dianne, I agree with what Michelle said about lymphoma not being curable, but we have seen so many cats here who get really good food and supplements who live a long time with FeLV, so I think that if Asia is treated in this manner, she could live a long time with lymphoma. I believe the average

Re: OT Big problem, Best Friends

2006-11-27 Thread wendy
I donate to Best Friends too, and will be visiting the sanctuary in February!!! I am so excited! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and

Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread TenHouseCats
i tried to find a vet's office in town who'd do that--no one would. (this is a town with 3 24-hour-hr emergency vets, 6 housecall vets, a vet school, two cat-only vets... seems the vet students set down roots while in school, then never leave!) On 11/27/06, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Candace Doler
Thank-you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy Ankney Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:04 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pepper died Candace, I'm so sorry to hear about Pepper. It's hard to lose a friend.

RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Frullani, Anita
Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida - has done a lot of research and does not recommend batch testing. From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re:

Re: OT Big problem, Best Friends

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
Oooh, please tell us all about it when you get back. On 11/27/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I donate to Best Friends too, and will be visiting the sanctuary in February!!! I am so excited! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
Candace, I'm so very sorry for your loss. On 11/26/06, Candace Doler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to go so suddenly.

Re: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread cindy reasoner
Candace, I am so sorry to hear about your Pepper. Cindy Reasoner --- Candace Doler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to

Re: Dr. Ward's consult

2006-11-27 Thread wendy
Dianne, I am so glad that you and Asia know what the problem is and have hope. Hope is so important. And your doctor sounds like a great one. What a blessing! Michelle is our resident expert on lymphoma here. Unfortunately, she's had lots of experience, so she's an invaluable member here,

Re: Dr. Ward's consult

2006-11-27 Thread Belinda
Here is the group address, there should be a link there to join: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight

South Korea

2006-11-27 Thread Leslie Lawther
*Have any of you seen this or heard about this? Isn't this complete hysteria? Is there anything we can do? Email campaigns? Anything?* http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=202453266p=zxz45397z -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a

To Kelly L: Re: OT Big problem, help

2006-11-27 Thread wendy
Best Friends does support local groups also with the funds they receive. Last year their total revenue was a little over $30 million. They spent almost $10 million on sanctuary maintenance, but $5 million on programs and outreach and a little over $2.5 million on rescue. They have partner

Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
This is at a cat-only clinic. I can see it if there are a lot in a litter. For my personal cats I would want them tested separately. But in rescue it gets expensive, even at 30% discount. We buy our own tests and the vet will draw the blood for free. Beth TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
It's better than them only testing one as they are Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida – has done a lot of research and does not recommend batch testing. - From:

Re: To Kelly L: Re: OT Big problem, help

2006-11-27 Thread Kelly L
At 09:35 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I totally agree, as I go there often and have been a member for 8 years, Actually I am attending the weeks course on starting a shelter in April, but I see so many local groups really struggling, and they are my back yard, and they are desperate for help.

Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
We batch test kittens for FeLV, meaning that blood drawn from two siblings will be tested with one test kit. So far (knock on wood) we have never had a positive kitten so we have never had to go to individual testing. Batch testing has worked out well and cuts costs. Gussies mom [EMAIL

Re: To Kelly L: Re: Best Friends

2006-11-27 Thread wendy
I think it's very cool that you go there to volunteer. Do you have any suggestions for where to stay while visiting Best Friends? I know there are a few cottages on property, but I'd like to stay at the best/most beautiful place if possible. :) Wendy --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At

Re: To Kelly L: Re: Best Friends

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
I have never been but I know you can check out a dog to do a sleepover with if you stay at the cottages. I don't know if you can do sleepovers at the hotels! On 11/27/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's very cool that you go there to volunteer. Do you have any suggestions for

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
What you described is not the way all rescues operate. Many use foster homes and have the cats in a normal cage-free home environment. That's how I do things. Once cats have been tested for FeLV and vaccinnated (and defleaed and dewormed) they are integrated into the foster home and

Re: To Kelly L: Re: Best Friends

2006-11-27 Thread Kelly L
At 10:36 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: I think you can...used to be able to I have never been but I know you can check out a dog to do a sleepover with if you stay at the cottages. I don't know if you can do sleepovers at the hotels! On 11/27/06, wendy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL

Re: To Kelly L: Re: Best Friends

2006-11-27 Thread Kelly L
At 10:28 AM 11/27/2006, you wrote: It might be to late to reserve a cottage I will email you some pics, there are many places in town also, We were lucky on our first 3 visits to stay at the Rock House, but now they use it for storage, You will see it when you are there, it is between the

RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Why? We test two siblings with one test. If ever we get a positive then we would individually test those two. batch testing seems to make a lot of sense. Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida – has done a lot of research

OT: Guage of needles for subQ???

2006-11-27 Thread wendy
Hey guys, I have a box of Terumo needles, 18 guage. The needles seem so big when I give subQ to my CRF/hyperT kitty, and she's fairly uncomfortable when I insert it. Can subQ be done well with a smaller needle? If so, what size? Thanks, Wendy

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
Yes, mine are not caged either. Most of the time when I see cages used it is at the large shelters, such as the city animal shelter and the humane society. No one stressed keeping numbers sane when I started doing this and my numbers are not sane at this time. But live and learn, and I'm not

Re: OT: Guage of needles for subQ???

2006-11-27 Thread Kelly L
I use the 19 and sometimes 20 gauge,,it takes a bit longer that's all. Depends upon the cat. if the cat is hard to restrain youwant it in quicker, My BigD waits at the chair for his fluids, I used 18 in the past. Also depends upon how often. Mine is a CRF cat so it is a lifetime thing,

RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
But why would batch testing be something not recommended? Is there specific reasoning behind this? Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's better than them only testing one as they are Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip,

RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
Because if you mix too many cats the blood can get diluted too much if the number of positives is much lower than the number of negatives. Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But why would batch testing be something not recommended? Is there specific reasoning behind this? Gussies mom

Re: OT: Guage of needles for subQ???

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
The purpose of the large needle is so the fluids flow quickly. Are you getting it into the area in the nape of the neck, the skin there, in one smooth motion? I am told that area has limited nerve endings. Also, are you warming the fluids before giving them? Placing the bag in a bowl of

Re: OT: Guage of needles for subQ???

2006-11-27 Thread Belinda
Hi Wendy, Fred get subqs daily (CRF), I use the terumo 20 x 1 gauge UTW (ultra thin wall). He doesn't mind them too much and they are a lot smaller than the 18 gauge which Fred objected to very loudly and with teeth!! I have noticed on occasion I would have a very hard time getting

Re: OT: Guage of needles for subQ???

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Since I normally work with, at best, semi-tame adults, I want it quicker... Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the 19 and sometimes 20 gauge,,it takes a bit longer that's all. Depends upon the cat. if the cat is hard to restrain youwant it in quicker, My BigD waits at the chair for his

RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Most vets in California will do two or perhaps three litttermates with one test. The spay/neuter clinic that I sue for kittens does two littermates. So it sounds like it is an acceptabel way to do things as long as it is limited like that. (Doing two littermates at a time cuts the cost in

RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues The spay/neuter clinic that I sue for kittens We live in a litigious society ;-) Diane R.

Re: OT: Guage of needles for subQ???

2006-11-27 Thread wendy
Thanks guys. I am going to go ahead and order the twenty, since Julie is pretty tame. She just doesn't like it when the needle goes in. She's pretty good while getting the fluids, and I think she realizes now that they make her feel good when I'm done (cuz she can go poop). If only it were

RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Oops. I meant use... Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues The spay/neuter clinic that I

OT: RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
I was pretty sure that was what you meant. ;-) It just conjured up such a delightful image -- a dark wood courtroom, and a basket full of squirming kittens labeled Exhibit A... Does/did anyone here watch Buffy? In a couple of episodes, reference is made to the vampire Spike and his demon

Re: blood testing for FeLV etc

2006-11-27 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Yeah, really, a drop isn't such an accurate form of measurement, the drop size would vary I should think, depending on the consistency of the blood. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:

Re: Stamp/Anemia

2006-11-27 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
What kind of litter was he eating? That can be deadly if it's a clay litter Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources:

Re: OT, I found something fun to do online

2006-11-27 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
I do spend more time online than I should :-) If you want me to add things to your wiki, just send me the url, and I'll see if I can add any valid info. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:

Re: blood testing for FeLV etc

2006-11-27 Thread TenHouseCats
well, if you're using a calibrated dropper it is or can be, at least! On 11/27/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, really, a drop isn't such an accurate form of measurement, the drop size would vary I should think, depending on the consistency of the blood.

Re: Stamp/Anemia/Litter suggestions

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
Yeah, I know. The clumping can be deadly, too. The vet said to try pine litter. I hate that stuff because it becomes sawdust and gets everywhere. I used to shred newspaper when this would happen, but he is in my bedroom with one of my negative cats and I can't do that for both of them. I'd be

Re: South Korea (OT)

2006-11-27 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
It's Korea, so no, there's nothing we can do. They still EAT cats and dogs there, skinning them alive after plunging them live into a pot of boiling water. The good news with global warming, most of the Asian countries that are so backwards in animal welfare will be partially under water as

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Sane is what works for you, not what the general public would consider the norm. A lot of people can cope with 20 or 30 cats -- if the house is big enough, there's more than one person around to give them attention, socialize the kittens, feed and clean, annd enough money to care for their

RE: South Korea (OT)

2006-11-27 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Moment for moment, that movie is scarier than Night of the Living Deadbut everybody really should see it. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:40 PM To:

Re: Guage of needles for subQ???

2006-11-27 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Yes, sub-q can be done with smaller needles, keep in mind that the smaller the needle, the LONGER it will take to get the same amount of fluids in, if you go too small, you may have to sit there and squeeze the bag the entire time (and it could take 30 minutes of longer). There has been some

IDEXX discount for shelters/rescues

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Just talked to a rep at Idexx. Non-profit rescues can purchase 3o FIV/FeLV test kits for $288. 30 of the FeLV tests can be purchased for $227. Not bad. All they need is a short form filled out annd a copy of the IRS 501(c)(3) determination letter.

loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Dianebehm2
I have been fostering a FELV pos. cat for over 6 months and she has chronic diarrhea multiple times a day. She has been tested numerous times for parasites and been dewormed. Our vet feels it may be lymphoma. If it is, how long do these cats live? Otherwise she is doing fairly well for a

Re: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Any suggestions? Yeah -- metronidazole (Flagyl). Parasites, such as giardia, very often do not show up in a fecal. I'm surprised the vet did not mention this. Many vets will treat with metronidazole on the basis of symptoms, even when a fecal is negative. I don't think I'd be jumping ahead

RE: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
My corona virus positive kitties have had bad diarrhea for a long time - try homeopathic remedy called sulphur 30 C potent, dissolve in water - it won't hurt but it has worked like a miracle for some of my kitties with unknown cause. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
Well, I have *counts on fingers* 6 cats of my own and 22 fosters, and that's insane for me. My house is 1200 sq feet, which still feels huge to me after living in a 388 sq foot efficiency apartment for 3 years (with only 1 cat). I can cope with it, more or less. There are 3 or 4 cats who aren't

Re: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
It could also just be the food. We had a cat at the shelter with horrible diarrhea. After tons of money spent on tests (all negative) and meds, switching his food has solved the problem. If he eats anything else, it comes back. Beth Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any

Re: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
It could also be IBD. There are lots of possible causes for chronic diarrhea other than cancer. I find that to be a rather bizarre statement. Fortiflora by Purina Veterinary Diets, which is a probiotic or friendly bacteria Enterococcus faeciumSF68, has helped one of my cats significantly with

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
My housemate has very much become my rescue partner. When he was out of town for a week and I was on my own I almost lost my mind. He gives them lunch and does the afternoon scooping of litterboxes, and also gives them a lot of attention. He also does our weekly Walmart run for food and

Re: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
Yes, I hear higher fiber is good sometimes...but then if they have IBD you may need a different protein source...like venison or God forbid rabbit. On 11/27/06, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could also just be the food. We had a cat at the shelter with horrible diarrhea. After tons

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread Kelly L
At 02:22 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote: susan Please loan me your room mate!!! I may even cook once in a while. With these 42 or 43 cats , job and business that explains my insanity??? My housemate has very much become my rescue partner. When he was out of town for a week and I was on my

RE: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
The estimate is that around 85% of cats are corona positive at some point in their lives. Corona positive cats do not have to have diarrhea, and I've had kittens die of FIP who had perfect poop. (As have others in the FIP group.) One thing that was said in the FIP group awhile back --

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
I could rent him out. But then I'd be back to crazy myself. I truly learned to appreciate him when he was gone a week. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:22 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote: susan Please loan me your room mate!!! I may even cook once in a while. With these 42 or 43 cats ,

RE: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
With Giardia you really have to dump and bleach litterpans daily. I just get the canned food box bottoms from Petsmart (They've gotten to where they know me and save them for me when I need them). Just put some litter in them and dump them daily. The small ones are great for kittens.

RE:loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Gussies mom
A friend and I were talking the other day about how people would think we were crazy if they listened into our conversations. We both do rescue and I swear 70% of our conversations are about cat poop. Beth - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low

Re: Stamp/Anemia/Litter suggestions

2006-11-27 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Maybe try World's Best or sWheat Scoop? Those are both wheat or corn based I think... should be digestible, at least. I'd definitely try to use something digestible corn, wheat... something like that. I'm currently using HORSE stall pine shavings, and it's saved me TONS of money already. A

Re: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Specifically WHICH parasites did your vet test for? How about Giardia, Coccidia, and Tritrichomonsis? Have you done food trials to test for food allergies? The best treatment for diarrhea is to find the cause and to treat the cause that involves lots of testing. Phaewryn Please save

Re: Stamp/Anemia/Litter suggestions

2006-11-27 Thread Leslie Lawther
*I had someone once tell me she swears by chicken crumble that you get at the feed store! We couldn't use it... but we tried it! I think it would work for someone who only has a few cats. The Worlds Best litter is good though ... I always use that for kittens.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 11/27/06,

Re: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Marylyn
Try apple pectin. Also rule out food allergies and pancreas problems. Many vets don't even think about food allergies. They caused the Royal Princess Kitty Katt all sorts of problems. And she developed them late in life. If you have men

Re: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Dianne K Perry, Ph.D.
Candace, I am new to the list, so don't know you yet. I do however, know about the loss of our beloved pets. My deepest condolences and may you have peace knowing your baby is pain free and in heaven now. Dianne - Original Message - From: Candace Doler To:

Re: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Agreed. You have to find the cause. But, because some parasites often do not show up on a fecal, many vets will assume the parasites are present and treat accordingly. If a week of metronidazole makes no difference, then it probably isn't giardia. Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Pepper died

2006-11-27 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
I am so very sorry of your loss of your special baby - please know that your baby is at a place with lots of peace -her soul is still right besides you.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:25 PM To:

Re: Giardia

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=98%2D840 But I like metronidazole better. I think it's more effective. i buy it from www.1drugstore-online.com Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan, Where on Revivalanimal did you find the 10% solution? I'm not turning

Re: Giardia

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
From that link Jennifer provided metronidazole is 60-70% effective. I have a rescue friend who uses both at the same time, which may be the way to go. I'm having a hard time getting rid of this stuff. On 11/27/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Giardia

2006-11-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Leaving my office right now but I'll email more later. I have recently been rewarded with perfect poop in two cats who were having a hard time shaking the giardia. One of my fosters has also had similar results recently. I have used both together but it's the metronidazole that I swear by.

Re: loose stools

2006-11-27 Thread Lernermichelle
If it is lymphoma, it is small cell, because 5 months is a long time for large cell going untreated-- cat would not be alive. Even with small cell, there is usually some lethargy. Is she lethargic? My positive cat Lucy has IBD. I was very scared it was lymphoma at first, and have been

Re: Genevieve

2006-11-27 Thread Lernermichelle
Sending prayers, and encourage you again to try Immuno-regulin with her. It has really helped my cats get through bad URI's, most recently Lucy who could not seem to kick the URI until getting I-R. Michelle In a message dated 11/27/2006 1:16:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread ETrent
I am so glad to hear you say this. It makes me so sad to think of kitties having to live in cages for years. It's a terrible way to live...and they never really get any social interaction. A temp. quarantine due to illness is quite different from living that way indefinitely. What you

Re: OT Big problem, help

2006-11-27 Thread ETrent
thanks for the link. elizabeth In a message dated 11/27/2006 10:58:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly, they aren't all like that at all. I promise! I know lots of good rescuers. You're free to verbally run them down as you aren't in the business. I

Re: OT Big problem/Elaine

2006-11-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
My fosters sleep with me at night (well, the ones who want to do). :) On 11/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so glad to hear you say this. It makes me so sad to think of kitties having to live in cages for years. It's a terrible way to live...and they never really get

Re: Dr. Ward's consult/Michelle

2006-11-27 Thread Lernermichelle
I think that you have the perfect attitude, actually. And I am sorry for all you have been through. We have lost 9 animals in 5 years, plus a human, most after long illnesses, so truly understand what you are saying. At this point I freak out at the slightest sign of illness, fearing

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