Re: Loki is with my Baby Kitty

[Tad Burnett]

Thankyou Nina for the kind words..
 
Momma is doing quit well...The kitten was always wabbly on her feet and
held her head at an angle all the time so she had some problems...But I
had just started to believe that she might make it for a while...
She knew that I was trying to make her better and the last while she
would come right to me when ever I came in the room and ofcoarse I gave
her special lovings...
 
Its been fun having Momma and watching the progress..Even though I have
not yet been able to touch her she knows that I bring food and she will
be right under my feet but if I so much as look at her she runs...
If I sit very still she will come out and is very playful with one of
the boys that is about her age...She made friends with all the cats in
the room in no time at all...And she is very talkative with them..This
blows the theroy the I have heard that meowing is for humans only, out
of the waterAnd that ferals don't know how to play...And rubbing
and head buts...All my other cats are strays that very much wanted to
have a human again and she watches very closly...When they play chasing
games my boy has learned that she is afraid to get to close to me so
ofcoarse the boy runs over me...She has progress to running over my
lower half but if he stops by my head she stops and staires from a few
feet away
 
She also has put on a lot of weight and her fur is so much nicer than
it was and she isn't trying to get outside anymore so we are getting
there...
 
Tad

Nina wrote:
Tad, I'm
sorry to hear about Baby.  I remember when you got Momma and her, and
the story of her poor brother. I've kept you and those angel in my
thoughts and prayers and so hoped they were doing well.  It makes it
that much tougher when they finally start to trust you, and she was a
cuddler too!  I know how much you wanted her to stay healthy and live a
long, long time.  Sweet little angel.  Thank God you were there to fill
the time she had with love and safety.  How's her momma doing? 
Sending you love and sympathy,
  
Nina
  
  
Tad Burnett wrote:
  
  
  Steve  It is so sad to loose our kittens when
they are so young...

I lost my Baby Kitty today too..They are together at the Bridgr now..

 

I got her about 3 months ago with her mother..They were both trapped

and brought in to be spayed and released..They were feral kitties...

When the tested FeLV+ I stepped in and saved their lives for that
day...

The little boy kitten that was trapped with them was PTS before I had

a chance to get him...

 

Baby was always not real healthy but seemed to do well for a while

but then started getting sick..Along with getting sick she began to
trust me

so that I could give her special foods and she had started to look so
much better

and became a real snuggle bug but until lastnight she was eating well
on her

own but lastnight she only ate a little and this morning I had to feed
her with

a dropper and then she ran off and hid...Finaly tonight I found her but
she had

passed on...It came quickly for her and that is good but its quit a
shock

for me becouse she seemed to be doing so well...

 

That makes 3 out of 3 kittens that have tested pos at 3 months or
younger

that have passed on under a year...I have 7 others that were older and
they

are still doing well...But thats the way it is...

 

Tad






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Re: Loki is with my Baby Kitty

[Nina]

Tad, I'm sorry to hear about Baby.  I remember when you got Momma and 
her, and the story of her poor brother. I've kept you and those angel in 
my thoughts and prayers and so hoped they were doing well.  It makes it 
that much tougher when they finally start to trust you, and she was a 
cuddler too!  I know how much you wanted her to stay healthy and live a 
long, long time.  Sweet little angel.  Thank God you were there to fill 
the time she had with love and safety.  How's her momma doing? 

Sending you love and sympathy,
Nina
Tad Burnett wrote:
Steve  It is so sad to loose our kittens when they are so young...
I lost my Baby Kitty today too..They are together at the Bridgr now..
 
I got her about 3 months ago with her mother..They were both trapped
and brought in to be spayed and released..They were feral kitties...
When the tested FeLV+ I stepped in and saved their lives for that day...
The little boy kitten that was trapped with them was PTS before I had
a chance to get him...
 
Baby was always not real healthy but seemed to do well for a while
but then started getting sick..Along with getting sick she began to 
trust me
so that I could give her special foods and she had started to look so 
much better
and became a real snuggle bug but until lastnight she was eating well 
on her
own but lastnight she only ate a little and this morning I had to feed 
her with
a dropper and then she ran off and hid...Finaly tonight I found her 
but she had
passed on...It came quickly for her and that is good but its quit a shock
for me becouse she seemed to be doing so well...
 
That makes 3 out of 3 kittens that have tested pos at 3 months or younger
that have passed on under a year...I have 7 others that were older and 
they
are still doing well...But thats the way it is...
 
Tad


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RE: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Stephanie E Caldwell]

Thanks Cherie…

 

He’s a sweety,
he stole my heart when I first saw him, wet and cold in November.

 

Steph

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cherie A Gabbert
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005
8:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need help with
treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

 



Wow Stephanie, I wish I had idea except lots of love.
The only one I can come up with Interferon, I have heard it can bring back cats
like that. I feel for you and am sending healing positive vibes your way.





Cherie

Stephanie E Caldwell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





I need some ideas for a kitty that adopted me. He was
a 30lb white Tom
Cat (AKA TeeCee), but in the past month has deteriorated to 9 lbs. He's
got an infection in his left hind at the nail that he can't seem to
kick.

He's been on Bayitril for two weeks now @ 22.5mg 1x daily, it's having
no effect. He quit eating yesterday.

He tested positive on the in office test for FELV, he was an inside
kitty, his owners moved to New York this winter and set him out. He
ended up at my house. 

I have one other kitty and am keeping them separated for the time being.
Right now TeeCee is at the vet's getting fluids and IV antibiotics that
are stronger than the oral, but they don't expect him to pull through.
He's an incredibly sweet kitty, who purrs whenever anyone touches him
(including the vet!). He's easy to treat, easy to handle, house broke
and leash trained.

I'm in Charlotte, NC area if anyone knows of vets or any ideas for me.

Steph

RE: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Stephanie E Caldwell]

I’ll talk to my vet about doing a full body X-ray!

 

Steph

-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need help with
treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

 

I think I would get a full-body
x-ray to look for tumors, and do a full blood work-up.
Michelle

P.S. The appetite Winstrol V (or
something like that) has been working really well for my horse Pepsi. I know it
is used for cats too, so might be worth a try. it is an anabolic steroid.

In a message dated 3/31/2005 4:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Michelle,

He weighed 28lbs when he first moved in with me in December. Noticeable
weightloss started a month ago.

He was palpated for tumors.

Steph

 

RE: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Stephanie E Caldwell]

>>Let us know if you want info on how to get them.

Please do let me know... I don't want to let him just wilt away and die.

Though he's a recent addition he's got a heart of gold and I'm attached.
My kitty that passed away in December could be his double, except he's
solid white and she had three black spots and her tail was black. They
have the same personality, shape, size, etc... I loved her and lost her
in surgery for mega colon. 

Thanks Guys,
Steph

Re: Another Pepcid AC question

[Del Daniels]

Thanks Julie.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:10 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Another Pepcid AC 
  question
  
  Hi Del,
   
  I've never used the gelcaps; I only ever used the tablets.  I'd 
  guess that the other ingredients are probably just some kind of binders or 
  fillers, but like you, I be reluctant to use it without knowing for sure that 
  it was OK.
   
  In terms of the dosage, my understanding for medications like Pepcid is 
  that the interval that's important is giving it before meals, not how far 
  apart the meals are.  I'm not saying this very well (having a severely 
  "blonde" day), but unlike antibiotics which would be given at timed intervals, 
  the tummy medicines are given prior to eating, whatever time that might 
  be.
   
  Julie
  Del Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  




I bought the Gelcaps Pepcid AC 
and the ingredients do not compare with the regular Pepcid AC square tablets 
... the gelcaps are solid and can be quartered but list several 
other ingredients and I am reluctant to use them unless some of you already 
have used them without any problems with the kitty.  Of course, the 
sales receipt is already in the trash :( but I prefer to throw them out then 
have a bad reaction for kitty.  
 
Also ... in the morning Noah has 1/4 Pepcid 
about 7am, 15 minutes before his breakfast ... should he have the next 
one 15 minutes before his supper which would be about 5pm or is that too 
close together to give the meds?  Or should I wait until later in the 
evening even though he has already eaten?  I feel quite stupid about 
the best way to give them to his best advantage.  I'd really 
appreciate the input, his mouth is a mess of sores and he has spewed 
some projectile vomiting ... clear bright yellow liquid.  The vet saw 
him last week, there were eosinophils along with mucho bacteria.  He 
had a Depo injection and on Clavamox, with very slow improvement.  Our 
vet is on vacation this week and while I could call him I prefer not to 
unless it is a dire emergency.   
 
Del>^.^

Re: Food for FeLV plus Urine Crystals, Brissle Update

[Kathy Koutsis]

After Killian had urine crystals our vet recommended HIll's Prescription Diet CD/S.  You can only buy it at the vet's office - $25 for 10 pounds.  But ever since Killian has been eating it, which is about 3 years now she has not had any reoccurences.  Don't know if it has any byproducts though.
Kathy
Melbeach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Well I'm at the end of my bag of Science Diet CD/S. So it's time to buy more food. Here's my dilemma. Brissle is my FeLV+ female. Her FeLV- brother Squermie has urine crystal issues. They are both 8 years old. Squermie was about 2 when he had his urine crystals episode. It was really bad. He had to stay at the vet twice with a catheter inserted, once for an entire week. They said if he had another incident, they would have to "make him a girl". Apparently, girls have wider tubes and don’t have these problems.
 
Up until Squermie's incident, we were feeding them Max Cat. I don't remember which type. But I was warned about byproducts and the Max Cat said it had no byproducts. So we used it and paid dearly. After the incident, they have both been eating only Science Diet CD/S. That was all 6 years ago and Squermie hasn't had another incident since. So I really don't want to tamper with success. But now I'm hearing more about how bad Science Diet is with byproducts. Is there a no-byproduct dry food that's also especially made for urine crystals? I say "especially made for urine crystals" instead of "low-magnesium" because I'm not sure if low-magnesium is the only thing that makes Science Diet CD/S so special. I remember asking my last vet if I could just buy one of the low-magnesium foods at the pet store. But he said absolutely no. Only Science Diet CD/S.
 
I want to avoid feeding them both different foods. For one, it's s much easier to just keep a bowl of food down and forget about it. That's just always how it's been done with them. Also, if I give them different food, Squermie will surely get jealous and start picking on Brissle. I've considered giving Squermie back to the ex. But if I did that, Brissle would miss him. He can be an ogre at times. But he's gotten much better with age. I think weighing everything out, it would be better to keep him. I just have to be real fair about everything.
 
Brissle has been doing great. We finished the VO injections about 2 weeks ago. She's almost back to her normal weight! She has plenty of energy. It's looking real good! I'll be taking Brissle to the vet next week for blood tests. One month ago, when this all started, her HCT was 9.7%. The pink in her nose makes a good visual indicator of HCT. It's still pretty light. Nowhere near as dark pink as Squermie's. But on the day I brought her to the vet, her nose was completely gray! I really don't remember how dark her nose was originally. I would highly recommend making a mental note or taking a picture of the pinkness of all your cat's noses, especially the healthy ones, so you have something to gauge by.
 
Thanks for listening!
-Kyle

Re: Food for FeLV plus Urine Crystals, Brissle Update

[Lernermichelle]

IVD makes a feline dissolution formula for struvite crystals that has much less by-products-- I think it's the fifth ingredient or something-- than the other prescription brands, and the cats love it.  It's called something like feline dissolution formula in gravy.  Make sure you get the one that is chunks of meat in gravy, because the other flavors have more by-products and are less palatable.  Your vet can order this for you by the case.  When Simon needed a dissolution formula for his crystals, this is what I settled on and fed him for a few months.  I then switched his dry food to Wysong Uretic and switched him back to regular canned food (Wellness, etc.) and he did fine on it in terms of not getting any crystals for the next year or so before his death.
Michelle

Re: Loki is at rest

[PEC2851]

Dear Steve,
My heart goes out to you and no words will diminish 
your pain & sorrow.
But I believe you are the BEST cat-dad ever for all 
you've done for your babies.
I lost my Ethan due to the same 
thing
I like to think of him now healthy and happy and just 
romping in a big meadow with all our other furangels.
And I know all of us will be greeted w/ love & 
kisses in a wonderful reunion when we cross The Bridge and are reunited. 

I will continue to keep yoo in my prayers, please take 
care of yourself.
Fondly,
Patti

Re: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Lernermichelle]

It's true that feline interferon, or Virbagen Omega, available only from England with FDA approval, has helped some positives who had massive weight loss and inappetance. Also immuno-regulin has too, and that is more easily available.

If he does not have lymphoma or another cancer, I would try these treatments.  Let us know if you want info on how to get them.
Michell

In a message dated 3/31/2005 8:19:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Wow Stephanie, I wish I had idea except lots of love. The only one I can come up with Interferon, I have heard it can bring back cats like that. I feel for you and am sending healing positive vibes your way.
 Cherie

Re: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Lernermichelle]

I think I would get a full-body x-ray to look for tumors, and do a full blood work-up.
Michelle

P.S. The appetite Winstrol V (or something like that) has been working really well for my horse Pepsi. I know it is used for cats too, so might be worth a try. it is an anabolic steroid.

In a message dated 3/31/2005 4:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Michelle,

He weighed 28lbs when he first moved in with me in December. Noticeable
weightloss started a month ago.

He was palpated for tumors.

Steph

Re: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Cherie A Gabbert]

Wow Stephanie, I wish I had idea except lots of love. The only one I can come up with Interferon, I have heard it can bring back cats like that. I feel for you and am sending healing positive vibes your way.
CherieStephanie E Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I need some ideas for a kitty that adopted me. He was a 30lb white TomCat (AKA TeeCee), but in the past month has deteriorated to 9 lbs. He'sgot an infection in his left hind at the nail that he can't seem tokick.He's been on Bayitril for two weeks now @ 22.5mg 1x daily, it's havingno effect. He quit eating yesterday.He tested positive on the in office test for FELV, he was an insidekitty, his owners moved to New York this winter and set him out. Heended up at my house. I have one other kitty and am keeping them separated for the time being.Right now TeeCee is at the vet's getting fluids and IV antibiotics thatare stronger than the oral, but they don't expect him to pull through.He's an incredibly sweet kitty, who purrs whenever anyone touches him(including the vet!). He's easy to treat, easy to handle, house brokeand
 leash trained.I'm in Charlotte, NC area if anyone knows of vets or any ideas for me.Steph

Re: Felix update

[PEC2851]

Thanks to all who responded and are keeping my Felix 
in their thoughts & prayers. It is comforting to know that ao many others 
are pulling for him...
 
Kyle, Felix was non-positve.
Ethan. my only Felv+ crossed The Bridgr exactly two 
years to the daye I took Felix to Ange's Gate, (I also lost my first Felv+ cat 
on St, Patrick's day. For me, there is no celebration,just a quiet day spent 
remembering mu furangels.
 
A;so, I am thinking real positive. After settlement I 
should have enough money left over to purchase a cozy little place for me & 
the furkuids, just spoke w/ realtor tonite and asked her to start the 
search.. *I dread moving!)
 
Thanks again to all. I will keep everyone updated on 
Felix!
Hugs,
Patti

Loki is with my Baby Kitty

[Tad Burnett]

Steve  It is so sad to loose our kittens when they are
so young...
I lost my Baby Kitty today too..They are together at the Bridgr now..
 
I got her about 3 months ago with her mother..They were both trapped
and brought in to be spayed and released..They were feral kitties...
When the tested FeLV+ I stepped in and saved their lives for that day...
The little boy kitten that was trapped with them was PTS before I had
a chance to get him...
 
Baby was always not real healthy but seemed to do well for a while
but then started getting sick..Along with getting sick she began to
trust me
so that I could give her special foods and she had started to look so
much better
and became a real snuggle bug but until lastnight she was eating well
on her
own but lastnight she only ate a little and this morning I had to feed
her with
a dropper and then she ran off and hid...Finaly tonight I found her but
she had
passed on...It came quickly for her and that is good but its quit a
shock
for me becouse she seemed to be doing so well...
 
That makes 3 out of 3 kittens that have tested pos at 3 months or
younger
that have passed on under a year...I have 7 others that were older and
they
are still doing well...But thats the way it is... 
 
Tad




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Re: Loki is at rest

[catatonya]

Steve,
 
I'm so sorry.  I know you are going to miss your baby.
 
tonyaSteve Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


My last little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late yesterday.
 
For the past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has been for and about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it initial seemed to help, but very quickly it was as before.  I then called the vet and we doubled his dosage.  Once again, it initially seemed to help--though he seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly faded to his former uncomfortable state.  At no time, did the Pred noticeably shrink the large tumor impeding his little lungs. 
 
I had been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring grass (weeds) all around the house.  He loved it and it was a great distraction and wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  If Loki did not have these wonderful days, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights were uncomfortable for him--he could no longer lay on his side and his lungs were pumping hard all the time.
 
Yesterday, too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the out-of-doors like he had been, I did not see him drink water or eat his dry food, he didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken baby food treat (had to hold it up for him), and for the first time, he had a slightly open mouth.  At most other times during the day, he was lying or sitting with labored breathing and looking very tired.  I felt it was the right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to new measures, so I made the agonizing decision.
 
My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is now buried next to his sister under "their" oak tree.
 
My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special personality, quite different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister Leeloo.  Both were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were raising because their stars seemed to burn very bright.  These kittens--the smallest of the litter--had unusually beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a smell, as his sister did; not the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the smoky earthy scent of a boy kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the first rain on dry soil.  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate and even cinnamon, like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss him jumping up to lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his face against mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at the side of my computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the floor and to get his
 belly rubbed.
 

I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time when I will stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will soon be a time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I loved my little Loki like there was no tomorrow.
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[Gloria B. Lane]

My cats have their way of getting even.  Someone peed on my 12 yr old black 
lab's doggie bed.  Grrr.  Out to buy another doggie bed (water-proof 
hopefully).

Gloria
At 03:41 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote:
My dogs all 7 hate it when the cats use the scratching posts. They will 
growl and my black lab will take her nose and push the cat away from the 
post.

Re: Loki is at rest

[Gloria B. Lane]

Steve, my heart goes out to you, I'm so sorry.  He was so young, too young, 
but he had a charmed, well-loved life with you.  Gloria

At 02:52 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote:
My last little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late yesterday.

Re: Brownie needs good thoughts

[catatonya]

Poor Brownie!  I hope things go well at the specialist's.
 
tonyaJulie Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Friends,
 
I've written in the past about Brownie, my FIV+, blind and deaf cat.  When he came to me after TNR (obviously he could not be released) he had been vetted and I was told about his disabilities.  I assumed (NEVER again) that his eyes had been examined and that nothing could be done for him, but sort of had it in the back of my mind to take him to the veterinary opthamologist who I took Paulie to for a specialty opinion.   He seems wonderfully happy, has gained lots of weight, lays in his poofy bed purring like he's in heaven, so other things kept coming up and I just never did it.
 
About 10 days ago I was looking into some feline eye diseases because Trixie has an eye infection that I can't clear up; I suspected entropion (which she in fact does have).  I saw a photo of a kitty with a hideously enlared eyeball and the caption said it was glaucoma and that it's extremely painful in cats.
 
It looked just like Brownie's eye, so off to my vet we went (along with Trixie, to have the entropion checked, and she does have it, though a mild case we will try to treat with steroid drops before we do any surgery).  Brownie does in fact have glaucoma in that eye and has a prolapsed lens in the other eye.  I can't even describe how sick and furious I am.  I immediately called my friend Joan and had her check his chart (I adopted him from her organization) and there is nothing on it recommending any follow-up or other treatment for his eyes; not even a diagnosis other than "blind".  We both assumedshe's dealing with the vets who seeminly chose to ignore the condition of his eyes (hey, he's old, he's FIV+, deaf, blind, skin and bonesso what, don't treat him?) and I am taking him to a veterinary opthamologist in Rhode Island this afternoon. It's possible that both his eyes will need to be removed, but we won't know until she examines him. 
 She sounded great on the phone so I am hopeful that we'll get a good diagnosis.  I just want him to be pain-free.  He doesn't show signs of pain, but we all know how good kitties are at hiding it.
 
So, if you could all keep Brownie in your thoughts, I'd be so appreciative.
 
Love, Julie "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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Re: Loki is at rest

[Kerry MacKenzie]

Dear Steve
It's clear the tears are flowing for you and Loki, mine included, across 
the country. My heart goes out to you, Steve--unfortunately, most if not all of 
us reading your sad message understand only too well the anguish you are going 
through. Loki fought the good fight...I hope you will be comforted in the days 
to come by the sure knowledge that he truly couldn't have wished for a 
kinder, or more loving, or more caring dad than you, while he battled 
against all the odds.
Please know you are in my thoughts and prayers, Steve.
love and hugs, Kerry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve Williams 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:52 
  PM
  Subject: Loki is at rest
  
  My last little love is gone.  I 
  had to put him to sleep late yesterday.
   
  For the past two weeks, my every waking 
  moment and thought has been for and about Loki. I did put him on 
  Prednisone a week ago and it initial seemed to help, but very quickly it was 
  as before.  I then called the vet and we doubled his dosage.  Once 
  again, it initially seemed to help--though he seemed "drugged" this time--then 
  quickly faded to his former uncomfortable state.  At no time, did the 
  Pred noticeably shrink the large tumor impeding his little lungs. 
  
   
  I had been letting him outside to wander 
  in the tall spring grass (weeds) all around the house.  He loved it and 
  it was a great distraction and wonderful sensory stimulation for 
  him.  If Loki did not have these wonderful days, I may have PTS sooner, 
  as the nights were uncomfortable for him--he could no longer lay on his side 
  and his lungs were pumping hard all the time.
   
  Yesterday, too many changes took place: He 
  was not enjoying the out-of-doors like he had been, I did not see him drink 
  water or eat his dry food, he didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken 
  baby food treat (had to hold it up for him), and for the first time, he had a 
  slightly open mouth.  At most other times during the day, he was lying or 
  sitting with labored breathing and looking very tired.  I felt it was the 
  right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to new measures, so I made the 
  agonizing decision.
   
  My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went 
  peacefully and quickly and is now buried next to his sister under "their" oak 
  tree.
   
  My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty 
  had a special personality, quite different, but just as wonderful as his 
  orange tabby sister Leeloo.  Both were chosen from the litter my sister 
  and nieces were raising because their stars seemed to burn very 
  bright.  These kittens--the smallest of the litter--had unusually 
  beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a smell, as his sister did; not 
  the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the smoky earthy scent of a boy 
  kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the first rain on dry soil.  
  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate and even cinnamon, 
  like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss him jumping up to 
  lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his face against 
  mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at the side of 
  my computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the floor and 
  to get his belly rubbed.
   
  
  I will be morning his loss for a long 
  time... I can't see a time when I will stop.  I know my pain will ease 
  eventually and I know there will soon be a time that I will no longer be 
  exhausted from crying.  I loved my little Loki like there was no 
  tomorrow.
   
  Steve
   
   
   
   
   
   

Re: Loki is at rest

[Melbeach]

I'm so sorry to hear that Steve. It sounds like you really did all you 
could. Hang in there, you're not alone!
 
-Kyle

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve Williams 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:52 
  PM
  Subject: Loki is at rest
  
  My last little love is gone.  I 
  had to put him to sleep late yesterday.
   
  For the past two weeks, my every waking 
  moment and thought has been for and about Loki. I did put him on 
  Prednisone a week ago and it initial seemed to help, but very quickly it was 
  as before.  I then called the vet and we doubled his dosage.  Once 
  again, it initially seemed to help--though he seemed "drugged" this time--then 
  quickly faded to his former uncomfortable state.  At no time, did the 
  Pred noticeably shrink the large tumor impeding his little lungs. 
  
   
  I had been letting him outside to wander 
  in the tall spring grass (weeds) all around the house.  He loved it and 
  it was a great distraction and wonderful sensory stimulation for 
  him.  If Loki did not have these wonderful days, I may have PTS sooner, 
  as the nights were uncomfortable for him--he could no longer lay on his side 
  and his lungs were pumping hard all the time.
   
  Yesterday, too many changes took place: He 
  was not enjoying the out-of-doors like he had been, I did not see him drink 
  water or eat his dry food, he didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken 
  baby food treat (had to hold it up for him), and for the first time, he had a 
  slightly open mouth.  At most other times during the day, he was lying or 
  sitting with labored breathing and looking very tired.  I felt it was the 
  right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to new measures, so I made the 
  agonizing decision.
   
  My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went 
  peacefully and quickly and is now buried next to his sister under "their" oak 
  tree.
   
  My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty 
  had a special personality, quite different, but just as wonderful as his 
  orange tabby sister Leeloo.  Both were chosen from the litter my sister 
  and nieces were raising because their stars seemed to burn very 
  bright.  These kittens--the smallest of the litter--had unusually 
  beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a smell, as his sister did; not 
  the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the smoky earthy scent of a boy 
  kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the first rain on dry soil.  
  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate and even cinnamon, 
  like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss him jumping up to 
  lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his face against 
  mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at the side of 
  my computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the floor and 
  to get his belly rubbed.
   
  
  I will be morning his loss for a long 
  time... I can't see a time when I will stop.  I know my pain will ease 
  eventually and I know there will soon be a time that I will no longer be 
  exhausted from crying.  I loved my little Loki like there was no 
  tomorrow.
   
  Steve
   
   
   
   
   
   

RE: Loki is at rest

[Stephanie E Caldwell]

> >>I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time 
> >>when I will
> >>stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will 
> >>soon be a
> >>time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I loved my 
> >>little Loki
> >>like there was no tomorrow.

I am so sorry Steve, I lost the one of my fur children I was closest to
in Novemeber and it was heartbreaking. Looks like my FELV+ kitty may not
have real long as it stands now, unless he makes a drastic change for
the better... It's so tough to lose them...

Steph

Re: Loki is at rest

[Sheila208]

My heart breaks for you Steve. We all know the pain you are feeling now. You will be in my prayers. I really believe Loki is with his sister LeeLoo and you will see them again.  Sheila
<>

RE: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Stephanie E Caldwell]

Michelle,

He weighed 28lbs when he first moved in with me in December. Noticeable
weightloss started a month ago.

He was palpated for tumors.

Steph
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and
infections

That is a lot of weight loss.  Did you mean 13  pounds, or was he really
30 pounds? I would get a full blood work up and have him palpitated for
tumors.  FeLV+ cats are prone to lymphoma and anemia, both of which can
cause weight loss like that.  Both have treatments that can help a lot,
at least in the short-term.
Michelle

Re: Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Lernermichelle]

That is a lot of weight loss.  Did you mean 13  pounds, or was he really 30 pounds? I would get a full blood work up and have him palpitated for tumors.  FeLV+ cats are prone to lymphoma and anemia, both of which can cause weight loss like that.  Both have treatments that can help a lot, at least in the short-term.
Michelle

Re: Loki is at rest

[Lernermichelle]

I am so sorry, Steve.  You have suffered unending loss.
Michelle

Need help with treatment options for FELV+ kitty and infections

[Stephanie E Caldwell]

I need some ideas for a kitty that adopted me. He was a 30lb white Tom
Cat (AKA TeeCee), but in the past month has deteriorated to 9 lbs. He's
got an infection in his left hind at the nail that he can't seem to
kick.

He's been on Bayitril for two weeks now @ 22.5mg 1x daily, it's having
no effect. He quit eating yesterday.

He tested positive on the in office test for FELV, he was an inside
kitty, his owners moved to New York this winter and set him out. He
ended up at my house. 

I have one other kitty and am keeping them separated for the time being.
Right now TeeCee is at the vet's getting fluids and IV antibiotics that
are stronger than the oral, but they don't expect him to pull through.
He's an incredibly sweet kitty, who purrs whenever anyone touches him
(including the vet!). He's easy to treat, easy to handle, house broke
and leash trained.

I'm in Charlotte, NC area if anyone knows of vets or any ideas for me.

Steph

Re: Loki is at rest

[jenmeyer]

Absolutely!!  :)  And they'd be 100% right!  I can only imagine what mine are 
saying about me...blatantly silly behavior that ONLY my cats have seen!  :)


- Original Message -
From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: Loki is at rest

> I can just hear Loki and Leeloo, telling all their new fur 
> buddies, "No, 
> my dad is the best"!
> Nina
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Oh, Steve...I am so sorry...it's a good thing I work alone, 
> because I'm absolutely crying my eyeballs out right now... :(  
> It's wonderful people like you that make this world a more 
> bearable place to be.  I know Loki hasn't gone far and that you 
> two will see each other again someday...oh, I'm crying 
> again...just know that he's not alone, his sister as well as all 
> of our furbabies who have gone before are with him sharing 
> embarassing stories about their non-furparents!
> >
> >Take care, you and Loki are in my thoughts,
> >
> >Jen
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Steve Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:52 pm
> >Subject: Loki is at rest
> >
> >  
> >
> >>My last little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late 
> >>yesterday.
> >>For the past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has 
> >>been for and
> >>about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it 
> initial 
> >>seemed to
> >>help, but very quickly it was as before.  I then called the vet 
> >>and we
> >>doubled his dosage.  Once again, it initially seemed to help--
> >>though he
> >>seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly faded to his former 
> >>uncomfortablestate.  At no time, did the Pred noticeably shrink 
> >>the large tumor impeding
> >>his little lungs.
> >>
> >>I had been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring 
> grass 
> >>(weeds)all around the house.  He loved it and it was a great 
> >>distraction and
> >>wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  If Loki did not have 
> these 
> >>wonderfuldays, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights were 
> >>uncomfortable for him--he
> >>could no longer lay on his side and his lungs were pumping hard 
> >>all the
> >>time.
> >>
> >>Yesterday, too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the 
> >>out-of-doors
> >>like he had been, I did not see him drink water or eat his dry 
> >>food, he
> >>didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken baby food treat (had 
> >>to hold it
> >>up for him), and for the first time, he had a slightly open 
> mouth. 
> >>At most
> >>other times during the day, he was lying or sitting with labored 
> >>breathingand looking very tired.  I felt it was the right time 
> to 
> >>stop subjecting
> >>Loki's system to new measures, so I made the agonizing decision.
> >>
> >>My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is 
> >>now buried
> >>next to his sister under "their" oak tree.
> >>
> >>My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special 
> >>personality, quite
> >>different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister 
> >>Leeloo.  Both
> >>were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were raising 
> >>because their
> >>stars seemed to burn very bright.  These kittens--the smallest 
> of the
> >>litter--had unusually beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a 
> >>smell, as his
> >>sister did; not the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the 
> >>smoky earthy
> >>scent of a boy kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the first 
> >>rain on dry
> >>soil.  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward 
> chocolate 
> >>and even
> >>cinnamon, like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss 
> >>him jumping
> >>up to lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his 
> >>face against
> >>mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at the 
> >>side of my
> >>computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the 
> >>floor and to
> >>get his belly rubbed.
> >>
> >>I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time 
> >>when I will
> >>stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will 
> >>soon be a
> >>time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I loved my 
> >>little Loki
> >>like there was no tomorrow.
> >>
> >>Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 

Re: Brownie's visit

[Lernermichelle]

If he can still see out of the "good" eye and there is a chance it can be saved, I would  not remove it.  Having two eyes removed, and going from being able to see somewhat to not having any eyes and not being able to see, seems really horribly stressful to me.  I would take the chance and leave it in for now.
Michelle

Re: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[Sheila208]

My dogs all 7 hate it when the cats use the scratching posts. They will growl and my black lab will take her nose and push the cat away from the post.  
<>

Re: Brownie's visit

[TenHouseCats]

well, sounds like the other thing you have to consider is what'll
happen to you when you trip over the hubby or cat and end up with a
broken leg yourself? hee hee

MC

Re: Loki is at rest

[Nina]

I can just hear Loki and Leeloo, telling all their new fur buddies, "No, 
my dad is the best"!
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, Steve...I am so sorry...it's a good thing I work alone, because I'm 
absolutely crying my eyeballs out right now... :(  It's wonderful people like 
you that make this world a more bearable place to be.  I know Loki hasn't gone 
far and that you two will see each other again someday...oh, I'm crying 
again...just know that he's not alone, his sister as well as all of our 
furbabies who have gone before are with him sharing embarassing stories about 
their non-furparents!
Take care, you and Loki are in my thoughts,
Jen
- Original Message -
From: Steve Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:52 pm
Subject: Loki is at rest
 

My last little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late 
yesterday.
For the past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has 
been for and
about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it initial 
seemed to
help, but very quickly it was as before.  I then called the vet 
and we
doubled his dosage.  Once again, it initially seemed to help--
though he
seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly faded to his former 
uncomfortablestate.  At no time, did the Pred noticeably shrink 
the large tumor impeding
his little lungs.

I had been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring grass 
(weeds)all around the house.  He loved it and it was a great 
distraction and
wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  If Loki did not have these 
wonderfuldays, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights were 
uncomfortable for him--he
could no longer lay on his side and his lungs were pumping hard 
all the
time.

Yesterday, too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the 
out-of-doors
like he had been, I did not see him drink water or eat his dry 
food, he
didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken baby food treat (had 
to hold it
up for him), and for the first time, he had a slightly open mouth. 
At most
other times during the day, he was lying or sitting with labored 
breathingand looking very tired.  I felt it was the right time to 
stop subjecting
Loki's system to new measures, so I made the agonizing decision.

My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is 
now buried
next to his sister under "their" oak tree.

My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special 
personality, quite
different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister 
Leeloo.  Both
were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were raising 
because their
stars seemed to burn very bright.  These kittens--the smallest of the
litter--had unusually beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a 
smell, as his
sister did; not the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the 
smoky earthy
scent of a boy kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the first 
rain on dry
soil.  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate 
and even
cinnamon, like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss 
him jumping
up to lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his 
face against
mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at the 
side of my
computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the 
floor and to
get his belly rubbed.

I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time 
when I will
stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will 
soon be a
time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I loved my 
little Loki
like there was no tomorrow.

Steve


   



 

Re: Loki is at rest

[Nina]

Oh Steve, I'm writing this through tears and wishing I could be by your 
side, to cry with you and hold your hand.  I'm so, so sorry you lost 
your little loves.  I'm glad you have some good memories of Loki's last 
days with you, (I can picture him exploring the tall grass), and it does 
give some comfort, to me, when I know I've done everything possible to 
save them, I hope it does you too.  I don't know if you believe in this, 
or not, but I've been told that sometimes our animal friends come back 
to us.  If it's true, I'm sure Loki and Leelo will be back, this time in 
strong, healthy bodies to spend many, many happy years with you.  You're 
such a wonderful dad.  I'm sending all my love and sympathy to you, I 
wish there were something else I could say or do, but all I can think of 
is to tell you, I understand.

Much love,
Nina
Steve Williams wrote:
My last little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late yesterday.
 
For the past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has been 
for and about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it 
initial seemed to help, but very quickly it was as before.  I then 
called the vet and we doubled his dosage.  Once again, it initially 
seemed to help--though he seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly 
faded to his former uncomfortable state.  At no time, did the Pred 
noticeably shrink the large tumor impeding his little lungs.
 
I had been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring grass 
(weeds) all around the house.  He loved it and it was a great 
distraction and wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  If Loki did 
not have these wonderful days, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights 
were uncomfortable for him--he could no longer lay on his side and his 
lungs were pumping hard all the time.
 
Yesterday, too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the 
out-of-doors like he had been, I did not see him drink water or eat 
his dry food, he didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken baby food 
treat (had to hold it up for him), and for the first time, he had a 
slightly open mouth.  At most other times during the day, he was lying 
or sitting with labored breathing and looking very tired.  I felt it 
was the right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to new measures, 
so I made the agonizing decision.
 
My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is now 
buried next to his sister under "their" oak tree.
 
My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special personality, 
quite different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister 
Leeloo.  Both were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were 
raising because their stars seemed to burn very bright.  These 
kittens--the smallest of the litter--had unusually beautiful little 
souls.  Loki also had a smell, as his sister did; not the perfume my 
girl kitty Leeloo had, but the smoky earthy scent of a boy kitty.  
Perhaps like air smells during the first rain on dry soil.  One could 
say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate and even cinnamon, 
like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss him jumping up 
to lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his face 
against mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at 
the side of my computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his 
back on the floor and to get his belly rubbed.
 
I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time when 
I will stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there 
will soon be a time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I 
loved my little Loki like there was no tomorrow.
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: Fwd: 'help' my cat shorty is sick (jayden)

[TenHouseCats]

pumpkin is one of those wonder foods that works for both constipation
AND diarrhea--if, as noted, you can get the cat to eat it! oddly
enough, maine coons seem to LOVE it

it's an easy one to try, tho; with everything, some things work with
one cat while others require something else altogether--it's great to
get so many options, tho!

MC

RE: Loki is at rest

[Cherie A Gabbert]

I am so sorry Steve, at least there will be no more pain, my heart goes out to you.
CherieHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Dear Steve.  I am so very sorry – I can’t stop crying reading your email, and thinking of Loki.  It’s just way too difficult to deal with,  too painful to live with. I wish I could find better words to make you feel better.  But I will be morning with you, Steve.  Please know though, Loki’s soul is still there, right besides you.  
 
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve WilliamsSent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:52 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Loki is at rest
 

My last little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late yesterday.

 

For the past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has been for and about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it initial seemed to help, but very quickly it was as before.  I then called the vet and we doubled his dosage.  Once again, it initially seemed to help--though he seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly faded to his former uncomfortable state.  At no time, did the Pred noticeably shrink the large tumor impeding his little lungs. 

 

I had been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring grass (weeds) all around the house.  He loved it and it was a great distraction and wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  If Loki did not have these wonderful days, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights were uncomfortable for him--he could no longer lay on his side and his lungs were pumping hard all the time.

 

Yesterday, too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the out-of-doors like he had been, I did not see him drink water or eat his dry food, he didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken baby food treat (had to hold it up for him), and for the first time, he had a slightly open mouth.  At most other times during the day, he was lying or sitting with labored breathing and looking very tired.  I felt it was the right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to new measures, so I made the agonizing decision.

 

My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is now buried next to his sister under "their" oak tree.

 

My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special personality, quite different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister Leeloo.  Both were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were raising because their stars seemed to burn very bright.  These kittens--the smallest of the litter--had unusually beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a smell, as his sister did; not the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the smoky earthy scent of a boy kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the first rain on dry soil.  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate and even cinnamon, like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss him jumping up to lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his face against mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his
 pillow at the side of my computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the floor and to get his belly rubbed.

 


I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time when I will stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will soon be a time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I loved my little Loki like there was no tomorrow.

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: Loki is at rest

[jenmeyer]

Oh, Steve...I am so sorry...it's a good thing I work alone, because I'm 
absolutely crying my eyeballs out right now... :(  It's wonderful people like 
you that make this world a more bearable place to be.  I know Loki hasn't gone 
far and that you two will see each other again someday...oh, I'm crying 
again...just know that he's not alone, his sister as well as all of our 
furbabies who have gone before are with him sharing embarassing stories about 
their non-furparents!

Take care, you and Loki are in my thoughts,

Jen

- Original Message -
From: Steve Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:52 pm
Subject: Loki is at rest

> My last little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late 
> yesterday.
> For the past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has 
> been for and
> about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it initial 
> seemed to
> help, but very quickly it was as before.  I then called the vet 
> and we
> doubled his dosage.  Once again, it initially seemed to help--
> though he
> seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly faded to his former 
> uncomfortablestate.  At no time, did the Pred noticeably shrink 
> the large tumor impeding
> his little lungs.
> 
> I had been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring grass 
> (weeds)all around the house.  He loved it and it was a great 
> distraction and
> wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  If Loki did not have these 
> wonderfuldays, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights were 
> uncomfortable for him--he
> could no longer lay on his side and his lungs were pumping hard 
> all the
> time.
> 
> Yesterday, too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the 
> out-of-doors
> like he had been, I did not see him drink water or eat his dry 
> food, he
> didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken baby food treat (had 
> to hold it
> up for him), and for the first time, he had a slightly open mouth. 
> At most
> other times during the day, he was lying or sitting with labored 
> breathingand looking very tired.  I felt it was the right time to 
> stop subjecting
> Loki's system to new measures, so I made the agonizing decision.
> 
> My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is 
> now buried
> next to his sister under "their" oak tree.
> 
> My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special 
> personality, quite
> different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister 
> Leeloo.  Both
> were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were raising 
> because their
> stars seemed to burn very bright.  These kittens--the smallest of the
> litter--had unusually beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a 
> smell, as his
> sister did; not the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the 
> smoky earthy
> scent of a boy kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the first 
> rain on dry
> soil.  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate 
> and even
> cinnamon, like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss 
> him jumping
> up to lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his 
> face against
> mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at the 
> side of my
> computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the 
> floor and to
> get his belly rubbed.
> 
> I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time 
> when I will
> stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will 
> soon be a
> time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I loved my 
> little Loki
> like there was no tomorrow.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
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Re: Felix update

[TenHouseCats]

hip hip meow for felix!

i just went and signed up for the newsletter from the ASPCA from my
home-town, and one of their website's features was a "Pet-Friendly
Housing" section. i know that there are such lists SOMEPLACE (like
everything else, i've seen them on the net somewhere, but have no idea
where to look again...)--i hadn't even thought to check the humane
societies for this info--that might be one place to start!

MC

Re: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

[Sheila208]

I agree Gloria. I had a Pitt who lived to be 13 yrs old and never bit anyone or hurt any of my cats. I did have a hound that I couldn't trust at all with my kitties.   

 Sheila
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RE: Loki is at rest

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Dear Steve.  I am so very sorry – I can’t
stop crying reading your email, and thinking of Loki.  It’s just way too difficult to
deal with,  too
painful to live with. I wish I could find better words to make you feel
better.  But I will be morning with
you, Steve.  Please know though,
Loki’s soul is still there, right besides you.  

 

-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Williams
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005
1:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Loki is at rest

 



My last
little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late yesterday.





 





For the
past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has been for and
about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it initial seemed
to help, but very quickly it was as before.  I then called the vet and we
doubled his dosage.  Once again, it initially seemed to help--though he
seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly faded to his former
uncomfortable state.  At no time, did the Pred noticeably shrink
the large tumor impeding his little lungs. 





 





I had
been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring grass (weeds) all around
the house.  He loved it and it was a great distraction and
wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  If Loki did not have these
wonderful days, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights were uncomfortable for
him--he could no longer lay on his side and his lungs were pumping hard all the
time.





 





Yesterday,
too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the out-of-doors like he had
been, I did not see him drink water or eat his dry food, he didn't want to
bend down to eat his chicken baby food treat (had to hold it up for him), and
for the first time, he had a slightly open mouth.  At most other times
during the day, he was lying or sitting with labored breathing and looking very
tired.  I felt it was the right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to
new measures, so I made the agonizing decision.





 





My 10
month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is now buried next to
his sister under "their" oak tree.





 





My
beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special personality, quite
different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister Leeloo.  Both
were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were raising because their
stars seemed to burn very bright.  These kittens--the smallest
of the litter--had unusually beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a
smell, as his sister did; not the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the
smoky earthy scent of a boy kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the
first rain on dry soil.  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward
chocolate and even cinnamon, like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I
will miss him jumping up to lay at the back of my neck and bending
around to rub his face against mine, purring all the while; coming to
lay on his pillow at the side of my computer to be near me; and turning over to
rub his back on the floor and to get his belly rubbed.





 







I will
be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time when I will
stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will soon be a
time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I loved my little
Loki like there was no tomorrow.





 





Steve







 





 





 





 





 





 

Re: Loki is at rest

[TenHouseCats]

aw, steve, i'm sorry. i've been sending GLOW (which is white
light/healing/good thoughts/love/prayers/whatever anyone wants or
needs it to be) for you and loki. GLOW always works--just not always
in the way that we humans want. guess this time it was to make his
transition easy, to light his way to the Bridge, and to help heal your
aching heart.

fly sweetly, loki darling!

MC

Re: Loki is at rest

[Barb Moermond]

Oh Steve I am so sorry.  I'm crying with you and I hope that knowing you aren't alone in your grief or the intensity of your love for your kitties helps a little.  Loki was was very lucky to have you for a daddy and is now running around the Bridge w/his sister breathing freely and enjoying kittenhood again.
 
<<<>>Steve Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


My last little love is gone.  I had to put him to sleep late yesterday.
 
For the past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has been for and about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it initial seemed to help, but very quickly it was as before.  I then called the vet and we doubled his dosage.  Once again, it initially seemed to help--though he seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly faded to his former uncomfortable state.  At no time, did the Pred noticeably shrink the large tumor impeding his little lungs. 
 
I had been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring grass (weeds) all around the house.  He loved it and it was a great distraction and wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  If Loki did not have these wonderful days, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights were uncomfortable for him--he could no longer lay on his side and his lungs were pumping hard all the time.
 
Yesterday, too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the out-of-doors like he had been, I did not see him drink water or eat his dry food, he didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken baby food treat (had to hold it up for him), and for the first time, he had a slightly open mouth.  At most other times during the day, he was lying or sitting with labored breathing and looking very tired.  I felt it was the right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to new measures, so I made the agonizing decision.
 
My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is now buried next to his sister under "their" oak tree.
 
My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special personality, quite different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister Leeloo.  Both were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were raising because their stars seemed to burn very bright.  These kittens--the smallest of the litter--had unusually beautiful little souls.  Loki also had a smell, as his sister did; not the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the smoky earthy scent of a boy kitty.  Perhaps like air smells during the first rain on dry soil.  One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate and even cinnamon, like one lister noticed of her boy kitty.  I will miss him jumping up to lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his face against mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at the side of my computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the floor and to get his
 belly rubbed.
 

I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time when I will stop.  I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will soon be a time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying.  I loved my little Loki like there was no tomorrow.
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
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Loki is at rest

[Steve Williams]

My last little love is gone.  I 
had to put him to sleep late yesterday.
 
For the past two weeks, my every waking 
moment and thought has been for and about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone 
a week ago and it initial seemed to help, but very quickly it was as 
before.  I then called the vet and we doubled his dosage.  Once again, 
it initially seemed to help--though he seemed "drugged" this time--then quickly 
faded to his former uncomfortable state.  At no time, did the Pred 
noticeably shrink the large tumor impeding his little lungs. 
 
I had been letting him outside to wander in 
the tall spring grass (weeds) all around the house.  He loved it and it was 
a great distraction and wonderful sensory stimulation for him.  
If Loki did not have these wonderful days, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights 
were uncomfortable for him--he could no longer lay on his side and his lungs 
were pumping hard all the time.
 
Yesterday, too many changes took place: He 
was not enjoying the out-of-doors like he had been, I did not see him drink 
water or eat his dry food, he didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken 
baby food treat (had to hold it up for him), and for the first time, he had a 
slightly open mouth.  At most other times during the day, he was lying or 
sitting with labored breathing and looking very tired.  I felt it was the 
right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to new measures, so I made the 
agonizing decision.
 
My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully 
and quickly and is now buried next to his sister under "their" oak 
tree.
 
My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had 
a special personality, quite different, but just as wonderful as his orange 
tabby sister Leeloo.  Both were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces 
were raising because their stars seemed to burn very bright.  These 
kittens--the smallest of the litter--had unusually beautiful little 
souls.  Loki also had a smell, as his sister did; not the perfume my girl 
kitty Leeloo had, but the smoky earthy scent of a boy kitty.  Perhaps like 
air smells during the first rain on dry soil.  One could say his scent 
tended a tiny bit toward chocolate and even cinnamon, like one lister noticed of 
her boy kitty.  I will miss him jumping up to lay at the back of my neck 
and bending around to rub his face against mine, purring all the 
while; coming to lay on his pillow at the side of my computer to be near 
me; and turning over to rub his back on the floor and to get his belly 
rubbed.
 

I will be morning his loss for a long 
time... I can't see a time when I will stop.  I know my pain will ease 
eventually and I know there will soon be a time that I will no longer be 
exhausted from crying.  I loved my little Loki like there was no 
tomorrow.
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
 

RE: Brownie's visit

[Julie Johnson]

Thanks, Cherie, I don't know what I'd do without all of you!   Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Julie,
What can I say but wow, and hang in there better days are coming, this will be tough, but I am sure you will make the best decision for Brownie's sake. Positve vibes and all the strength I can muster are coming at ya ;-))
CherieJulie Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thank you so much, Kerry!  We need all the good vibes we can get!!"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


Well, Julie, I'd say Brownie's learned to be a trooper from his "mom"!
Thanks for the update, and I'm so glad to hear Brownie's visit to the ophthalmologist went well. It's great to get good news!
Good luck to you, Steve and Brownie (if you decide to schedule Brownie then) next week. Boy, these guys are lucky to be in such good hands---hope some time is being scheduled for R&R for Julie.
I'll be thinking of you all, and sending zillions of positive and healing vibes.
much love, Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Brownie's visit
Hi Everyone,
 
Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some new things and now have to make some decisions.
 
In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens, cataracts and corneal ulceration.  He has cataracts in his 'good' eye, as well as the prolapsed lens.  The opthamologist (she was great!) recommends removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has some drops for it) for 2-3 months.  The left eye does have the potential to rupture as his right eye has.  He's not a youngster and he's FIV+, so I am debating whether to have both eyes removed in one surgery instead of doing one and then finding out in a year that the other one needs to come out. 
 
The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists, cardiologists, etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there.  
 
My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm (wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing if Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then I'd either get them both home about the same time or check myself into the insane asylum!!!
 
Thanks to all of you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a trooper on the long ride!
 
Hugs and headbutts!
 
Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. 


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RE: Brownie's visit

[Cherie A Gabbert]

Julie,
What can I say but wow, and hang in there better days are coming, this will be tough, but I am sure you will make the best decision for Brownie's sake. Positve vibes and all the strength I can muster are coming at ya ;-))
CherieJulie Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thank you so much, Kerry!  We need all the good vibes we can get!!"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


Well, Julie, I'd say Brownie's learned to be a trooper from his "mom"!
Thanks for the update, and I'm so glad to hear Brownie's visit to the ophthalmologist went well. It's great to get good news!
Good luck to you, Steve and Brownie (if you decide to schedule Brownie then) next week. Boy, these guys are lucky to be in such good hands---hope some time is being scheduled for R&R for Julie.
I'll be thinking of you all, and sending zillions of positive and healing vibes.
much love, Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Brownie's visit
Hi Everyone,
 
Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some new things and now have to make some decisions.
 
In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens, cataracts and corneal ulceration.  He has cataracts in his 'good' eye, as well as the prolapsed lens.  The opthamologist (she was great!) recommends removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has some drops for it) for 2-3 months.  The left eye does have the potential to rupture as his right eye has.  He's not a youngster and he's FIV+, so I am debating whether to have both eyes removed in one surgery instead of doing one and then finding out in a year that the other one needs to come out. 
 
The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists, cardiologists, etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there.  
 
My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm (wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing if Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then I'd either get them both home about the same time or check myself into the insane asylum!!!
 
Thanks to all of you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a trooper on the long ride!
 
Hugs and headbutts!
 
Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. 


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Re: Brownie's visit

[Julie Johnson]

Hi Nina,
 
Brownie is such a wonder!  He ADORES his fluffy little bed and his FOOD  bowl!  He senses the vibration when I walk into the room and within the last month or so he's decided he wants to be petted before he eats!  He's the happiest cat you can imagine; just purrs and purrs when he's petted or when he eats!
 
Thanks so much for the good vibes; we surely need them, and I will absolutely inquire about group rates at the asylum!! 
 
Love, JulieNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Julie,Your Brownie is one amazing cat! It's inspriational to hear about someone with so many disabilities to overcome, enjoying life the way he does. I'm glad you found a specialist you feel good about. As far as trying to save his left eye, if he can't see out of it anyway, I would probably be thinking the same thing about avoiding two surgeries. Many good vibes to you, Brownie and Steve. When you look into the asylum, inquire about group rates!NinaJulie Johnson wrote:> Hi Everyone,> > Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some > new things and now have to make some decisions.> > In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens, > cataracts and corneal ulceration. He has cataracts in his 'good' eye, > as well as the prolapsed lens. The
 opthamologist (she was great!) > recommends removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has > some drops for it) for 2-3 months. The left eye does have the > potential to rupture as his right eye has. He's not a youngster and > he's FIV+, so I am debating whether to have both eyes removed in one > surgery instead of doing one and then finding out in a year that the > other one needs to come out. > > The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists, > cardiologists, etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there. > > My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm > (wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing > if Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then > I'd either get them both home about the same time or check myself into > the insane asylum!!!> > Thanks to all of
 you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a > trooper on the long ride!> > Hugs and headbutts!> > Love, Julie>>> "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is> to protection by man from the cruelty of man. ">> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged> by the way its animals are treated.">> Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)>>> Paws Come WITH Claws!!!>> If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think > your decision to acquire a pet.>> > Do you Yahoo!?> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more
 entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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RE: Brownie's visit

[Julie Johnson]

Thank you so much, Kerry!  We need all the good vibes we can get!!"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, Julie, I'd say Brownie's learned to be a trooper from his "mom"!
Thanks for the update, and I'm so glad to hear Brownie's visit to the ophthalmologist went well. It's great to get good news!
Good luck to you, Steve and Brownie (if you decide to schedule Brownie then) next week. Boy, these guys are lucky to be in such good hands---hope some time is being scheduled for R&R for Julie.
I'll be thinking of you all, and sending zillions of positive and healing vibes.
much love, Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Brownie's visit
Hi Everyone,
 
Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some new things and now have to make some decisions.
 
In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens, cataracts and corneal ulceration.  He has cataracts in his 'good' eye, as well as the prolapsed lens.  The opthamologist (she was great!) recommends removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has some drops for it) for 2-3 months.  The left eye does have the potential to rupture as his right eye has.  He's not a youngster and he's FIV+, so I am debating whether to have both eyes removed in one surgery instead of doing one and then finding out in a year that the other one needs to come out. 
 
The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists, cardiologists, etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there.  
 
My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm (wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing if Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then I'd either get them both home about the same time or check myself into the insane asylum!!!
 
Thanks to all of you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a trooper on the long ride!
 
Hugs and headbutts!
 
Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. 


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Re: Brownie's visit

[Nina]

Julie,
Your Brownie is one amazing cat!  It's inspriational to hear about 
someone with so many disabilities to overcome, enjoying life the way he 
does.  I'm glad you found a specialist you feel good about.  As far as 
trying to save his left eye, if he can't see out of it anyway, I would 
probably be thinking the same thing about avoiding two surgeries.  Many 
good vibes to you, Brownie and Steve.  When you look into the asylum, 
inquire about group rates!
Nina

Julie Johnson wrote:
Hi Everyone,
 
Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some 
new things and now have to make some decisions.
 
In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens, 
cataracts and corneal ulceration.  He has cataracts in his 'good' eye, 
as well as the prolapsed lens.  The opthamologist (she was great!) 
recommends removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has 
some drops for it) for 2-3 months.  The left eye does have the 
potential to rupture as his right eye has.  He's not a youngster and 
he's FIV+, so I am debating whether to have both eyes removed in one 
surgery instead of doing one and then finding out in a year that the 
other one needs to come out. 
 
The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists, 
cardiologists, etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there. 
 
My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm 
(wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing 
if Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then 
I'd either get them both home about the same time or check myself into 
the insane asylum!!!
 
Thanks to all of you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a 
trooper on the long ride!
 
Hugs and headbutts!
 
Love, Julie

"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is
to protection by man from the cruelty of man. "
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
by the way its animals are treated."
Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)
Paws Come WITH Claws!!!
If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think 
your decision to acquire a pet.


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RE: Brownie's visit

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Well, 
Julie, I'd say Brownie's learned to be a trooper from his 
"mom"!
Thanks 
for the update, and I'm so glad to hear Brownie's visit to the 
ophthalmologist went well. It's great to get good news!
Good 
luck to you, Steve and Brownie (if you decide to schedule Brownie then) next 
week. Boy, these guys are lucky to be in such good hands---hope some time 
is being scheduled for R&R for Julie.
I'll 
be thinking of you all, and sending zillions of positive and healing 
vibes.
much 
love, Kerry

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:58 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Brownie's 
visit
Hi Everyone,
 
Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some new 
things and now have to make some decisions.
 
In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens, 
cataracts and corneal ulceration.  He has cataracts in his 'good' eye, as 
well as the prolapsed lens.  The opthamologist (she was great!) recommends 
removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has some drops for it) 
for 2-3 months.  The left eye does have the potential to rupture as his 
right eye has.  He's not a youngster and he's FIV+, so I am debating 
whether to have both eyes removed in one surgery instead of doing one and then 
finding out in a year that the other one needs to come out. 
 
The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists, cardiologists, 
etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there.  
 
My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm 
(wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing if 
Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then I'd either get 
them both home about the same time or check myself into the insane 
asylum!!!
 
Thanks to all of you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a 
trooper on the long ride!
 
Hugs and headbutts!
 
Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the 
more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by 
the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
(1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.


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Re: Brownie's visit

[Julie Johnson]

Thanks, Carla!  I'm tryin'..!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JulieGood luck, sending good vibes and thought your way in CT!Try to stay out of the insane asylum!CarlaDate sent: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:58:25 -0800 (PST)From: Julie Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgCopies to: Subject: Brownie's visitSend reply to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Hi Everyone,> > Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some> new things and now have to make some decisions.> > In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens,> cataracts and corneal ulceration. He has cataracts in his 'good' eye,> as well as the prolapsed lens. The opthamologist (she was great!)> recommends removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has> some drops for it) for 2-3 months. The left eye does
 have the> potential to rupture as his right eye has. He's not a youngster and> he's FIV+, so I am debating whether to have both eyes removed in one> surgery instead of doing one and then finding out in a year that the> other one needs to come out. > > The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists,> cardiologists, etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there. > > My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm> (wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing> if Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then> I'd either get them both home about the same time or check myself into> the insane asylum!!!> > Thanks to all of you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a> trooper on the long ride!> > Hugs and headbutts!> > Love, Julie> > >
 "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is> to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " > > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged > by the way its animals are treated."> > Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)> > > Paws Come WITH Claws!!!> > If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think> your decision to acquire a pet.> > -> Do you Yahoo!?> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing
 your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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Re: Brownie's visit

[carlas]

Julie

Good luck, sending good vibes and thought your way in CT!
Try to stay out of the  insane asylum!

Carla

Date sent:  Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:58:25 -0800 (PST)
From:   Julie Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Copies to:  Subject:Brownie's visit
Send reply to:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some
> new things and now have to make some decisions.
> 
> In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens,
> cataracts and corneal ulceration.  He has cataracts in his 'good' eye,
> as well as the prolapsed lens.  The opthamologist (she was great!)
> recommends removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has
> some drops for it) for 2-3 months.  The left eye does have the
> potential to rupture as his right eye has.  He's not a youngster and
> he's FIV+, so I am debating whether to have both eyes removed in one
> surgery instead of doing one and then finding out in a year that the
> other one needs to come out. 
> 
> The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists,
> cardiologists, etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there.  
> 
> My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm
> (wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing
> if Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then
> I'd either get them both home about the same time or check myself into
> the insane asylum!!!
> 
> Thanks to all of you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a
> trooper on the long ride!
> 
> Hugs and headbutts!
> 
> Love, Julie
> 
> 
> "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is
>  to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
> by the way its animals are treated."
> 
>  Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)
> 
> 
> Paws Come WITH Claws!!!
> 
> If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think
> your decision to acquire a pet.
> 
> -
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Re: Another Pepcid AC question

[Julie Johnson]

Hi Del,
 
I've never used the gelcaps; I only ever used the tablets.  I'd guess that the other ingredients are probably just some kind of binders or fillers, but like you, I be reluctant to use it without knowing for sure that it was OK.
 
In terms of the dosage, my understanding for medications like Pepcid is that the interval that's important is giving it before meals, not how far apart the meals are.  I'm not saying this very well (having a severely "blonde" day), but unlike antibiotics which would be given at timed intervals, the tummy medicines are given prior to eating, whatever time that might be.
 
Julie
Del Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





I bought the Gelcaps Pepcid AC and the ingredients do not compare with the regular Pepcid AC square tablets ... the gelcaps are solid and can be quartered but list several other ingredients and I am reluctant to use them unless some of you already have used them without any problems with the kitty.  Of course, the sales receipt is already in the trash :( but I prefer to throw them out then have a bad reaction for kitty.  
 
Also ... in the morning Noah has 1/4 Pepcid about 7am, 15 minutes before his breakfast ... should he have the next one 15 minutes before his supper which would be about 5pm or is that too close together to give the meds?  Or should I wait until later in the evening even though he has already eaten?  I feel quite stupid about the best way to give them to his best advantage.  I'd really appreciate the input, his mouth is a mess of sores and he has spewed some projectile vomiting ... clear bright yellow liquid.  The vet saw him last week, there were eosinophils along with mucho bacteria.  He had a Depo injection and on Clavamox, with very slow improvement.  Our vet is on vacation this week and while I could call him I prefer not to unless it is a dire emergency.   
 
Del>^.^

Brownie's visit

[Julie Johnson]

Hi Everyone,
 
Brownie's visit with the opthamologist went very well; I learned some new things and now have to make some decisions.
 
In addition to glaucoma in his enlarged eye, he has a luxated lens, cataracts and corneal ulceration.  He has cataracts in his 'good' eye, as well as the prolapsed lens.  The opthamologist (she was great!) recommends removing his right eye and monitoring the left eye (he has some drops for it) for 2-3 months.  The left eye does have the potential to rupture as his right eye has.  He's not a youngster and he's FIV+, so I am debating whether to have both eyes removed in one surgery instead of doing one and then finding out in a year that the other one needs to come out. 
 
The practice I went to is all specialists (dermatolgists, cardiologists, etc.) and I was really impressed with everyone there.  
 
My husband is having surgery next week to repair an abdominal aneurysm (wow, the fun never stops around here!) so I was thinking about seeing if Brownie could have surgery while Steve's in the hospital and then I'd either get them both home about the same time or check myself into the insane asylum!!!
 
Thanks to all of you for your good thoughts for Brownie; he was such a trooper on the long ride!
 
Hugs and headbutts!
 
Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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German Shepherd attack! Sooo OT

[Nina]

Hi Bonnie,
I wanted to respond to your story about Andre and your brother's GSD.  I 
can imagine how scary that incident was for you guys.  Without my being 
there, or without more info about exactly what took place, it's hard for 
me to speculate on the "whys" of it.  However, one thing I can tell you 
is, if that GSD meant to hurt Andre, you wouldn't have been shaking on 
the couch, you would have been headed to the ER, or worse.  I'm guessing 
your reaction to the situation was more upsetting than the actual 
incident to either the dog or the cat, (I'm hoping that's why Andre was 
hiding under the chair, and not necessarily because of the encounter).

When I first introduced my cat Trouble to our GSD, (Zevon), we had a 
similar scare.  We had recently brought Zevon home from a rescue, (he 
was a year old and had been tied to a tree his whole young life!), and 
thought he was settled enough to meet Trouble.  I sat on the couch with 
Trouble on my lap, and Bruce brought Zevon over on a leash.  They 
touched noses and everything seemed to be going well, and then, YAUMP!  
In a split second, Zevon engulfed Trouble's entire head in his mouth!  
My husband and I both freaked out!  Bruce started screaming NO, NO NO!, 
yanking Zevon out the door.  I was so shook up.  I quickly checked Troub 
over for wounds, and found none.  He was a bit wet, but no damage.  As I 
sat back on the couch shaking, Trouble started grooming himself, I swear 
I could hear him say, neah, neah, n, neah, neah!  After that we 
watched the two of them like hawks.  Poor Zevon got to the point that he 
would cower whenever he saw Trouble, (because of all the warnings we 
gave him about leaving Troub alone).  Trouble loved it.

Now, I'm not saying your situation is the same as this story.  I wasn't 
there, but I would give them some time, leash the dog, and then calmly 
see how they react to each other.  I'd hate to think of your brother and 
his dog being deprived of another cat friend without finding out for 
sure if his dog has really snapped his twig.

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:
No need to apologize! 

Tonight something inexplicable happened at our house. My black half 
meezer Andre was sharpening his claws at the cat scratcher when my 
brother's always sweet German Shepherd walked by. She's been around 
Andre a lot but suddenly she attacked and seemed to be biting him. I 
got her away from him, screaming all the time. I examined Andre all 
over and he doesn't seem hurt but he hid under a chair for a long 
time. Before this Andre was never afraid of dogs. We put the dog in 
her crate where she sat looking abashed and sad.

My brother lost his own cat, Jezebel, to FELV and lymphoma last year 
and the dog was always so sweet to her. He was thinking about getting 
another cat, but he was so shaken by what happened tonight that he 
said he doesn't think he will now.
It looked like Andre's scratching triggered the attack, but no one can 
figure out why. My brother got the dog from the Humane Society when 
she was a three month old pup.

Bonnie in WI 

- Original Message -
From: Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:30 pm
Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
 


 

Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[BONNIE J KALMBACH]

Kyle,
Is OK, :)

Bonnie

- Original Message -
From: Melbeach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:52 am
Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

> Bonnie! I didn't mean I thought it was your dog on the news. I was 
> just trying
> to make a silly psychic connection.
> 
> -Kyle
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> 
> 
> > No, it wasn't the yellow lab that attacked the kitty, it was a black
> > female German Shepherd who's always gotten along with and been 
> gentle> with kitties. I guess this is a question for animal 
> behaviorists.>
> > Bonnie
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Melbeach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:12 am
> > Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> >
> > > You want to hear something weird? I always take fortune cookies
> > > seriously. I
> > > don't know. I guess you could call me superstitious. But I always
> > > get the
> > > really profound one for some reason. Anyway last night I'm
> > > finishing my
> > > Chinese food and I get to the fortune cookie and I gulp and 
> take a
> > > deepbreath. Okay, what's going to happen to Brissle now? Well the
> > > fortune cookie
> > > said "Stubbornness is not a good virtue." So of course I
> > > immediately reflect
> > > back to the whole pitbull thread and right at that moment I looked
> > > up at the
> > > TV and I see the words "yellow lab" on the screen. It was the news
> > > and they
> > > were showing the transcript of a 911 call. I think the operator
> > > asked the kid
> > > something about whether it was a black lab or yellow lab. Well I
> > > never heard
> > > the term yellow lab in my entire life until yesterday. I
> > > remembered it was the
> > > last thing mentioned on the pitbull thread before I logged off.
> > > And now I
> > > check back and it was you that mentioned you had a yellow lab!
> > > What time did
> > > this happen? It was about 10pm Eastern when I read my fortune 
> cookie.> >
> > > -Kyle
> > >
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> > >
> > >
> > > > No need to apologize!
> > > >
> > > > Tonight something inexplicable happened at our house. My 
> black half
> > > > meezer Andre was sharpening his claws at the cat scratcher 
> when my
> > > > brother's always sweet German Shepherd walked by. She's been 
> around> > > Andre a lot but suddenly she attacked and seemed to be 
> biting> > him. I
> > > > got her away from him, screaming all the time. I examined 
> Andre all
> > > > over and he doesn't seem hurt but he hid under a chair for a 
> long> > > time. Before this Andre was never afraid of dogs. We put 
> the dog in
> > > > her crate where she sat looking abashed and sad.
> > > >
> > > > My brother lost his own cat, Jezebel, to FELV and lymphoma last
> > year
> > > > and the dog was always so sweet to her. He was thinking about
> > > getting> another cat, but he was so shaken by what happened
> > > tonight that he
> > > > said he doesn't think he will now.
> > > > It looked like Andre's scratching triggered the attack, but no
> > > one can
> > > > figure out why. My brother got the dog from the Humane 
> Society when
> > > > she was a three month old pup.
> > > >
> > > > Bonnie in WI
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:30 pm
> > > > Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> > > >
> > > > > Interesting!  Thanks for that, I didn't know that...but makes
> > > > > sense...Iknow that dogs on leashes can be inclined to do 
> the same
> > > > > thing simply
> > > > > because they feel they have no where to go, so they think they
> > > > > have no
> > > > > choice but to stay and fight if they feel threatened.
> > > > >
> > > > > I absolutely agree that yellow labs are some of the sweetest
> > dogs!
> > > > > I
> > > > > didn't mean to infer otherwise and if I did, I apologize!  
> Looks> > > > like my
> > > > > dog Oscar and I could both use a little therapy to get 
> over our
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Felix update

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Thanks for the update on Felix, 
Patti---that's great news. You must be s relieved. I'm sending positive 
vibes for the little fellow's continuing 
happiness.
And sending good vibes your way 
too for finding soon a safe and settled future haven for you and all your 
furballs. They are very lucky to have you as their "mom", 
Patti.
love and hugs, 
Kerry

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 
7:41 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Felix 
update
I finally heard from Susan, Angel's 
Gate, and my Felix has settled in and is doing well!! I am so glad to hear 
that,I have been so worried! And I still cry every day!  I still miss him 
like crazy and am trying to plan a trip for a visit shortly, if possible, w/ 
everything going on here, the sale of the house etc.
 
And I don't know if I had mentioned it 
before, but a friend was "fostering" my 2 fosters (the ones I smuggled from vets 
cause they were to be euth'ed, improper eliminatuion,bah! )They both had UTI's 
and w/ diet, meds, and catnip sprinked in CLEAN litterboxes I've only had a 
couple 'incidents'.
Anyway, I had to go pick them up from 
her house yesterday They were not eating, and were depressed. They actually 
missed me! And since they are both 20 lbs or better, I feared hepatic lipadosis, 
so they're home and seem happy.
But what am I going to do??? I took them 
in as "fosters". I am going to have to move after selling the house and I fear I 
might have to rent until I find another house. And I have 4 dogs, and I am back 
up to 5 cats???
I guess the boys consider me "Mom" since 
I've been fostering both since September...just haven't been able to find an 
acceptable home.
I guess somehow I'll 
manage.
Please keep Felix in your prayers. 
Although he is doing fine, he is 19 and has several problems. I'm praying he 
still has a few GOOD years left!
(Heck, Big Al passed peacefully at home 
at 21!!)
Hugs,
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Re: Food for FeLV plus Urine Crystals, Brissle Update

[Barb Moermond]

My Smoky had a horrible interstitial cystitis episode at the beginning of January and while there were no signs of either type of crystals, my vet put him on Waltham's Royal Canin S/O diet and it's fine for my other kitty to eat as well.  They both like it and there haven't been another outbreak, so I'm happy too.Melbeach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Well I'm at the end of my bag of Science Diet CD/S. So it's time to buy more food. Here's my dilemma. Brissle is my FeLV+ female. Her FeLV- brother Squermie has urine crystal issues. They are both 8 years old. Squermie was about 2 when he had his urine crystals episode. It was really bad. He had to stay at the vet twice with a catheter inserted, once for an entire week. They said if he had another incident, they would have to "make him a girl". Apparently, girls have wider tubes and don’t have these problems.
 
Up until Squermie's incident, we were feeding them Max Cat. I don't remember which type. But I was warned about byproducts and the Max Cat said it had no byproducts. So we used it and paid dearly. After the incident, they have both been eating only Science Diet CD/S. That was all 6 years ago and Squermie hasn't had another incident since. So I really don't want to tamper with success. But now I'm hearing more about how bad Science Diet is with byproducts. Is there a no-byproduct dry food that's also especially made for urine crystals? I say "especially made for urine crystals" instead of "low-magnesium" because I'm not sure if low-magnesium is the only thing that makes Science Diet CD/S so special. I remember asking my last vet if I could just buy one of the low-magnesium foods at the pet store. But he said absolutely no. Only Science Diet CD/S.
 
I want to avoid feeding them both different foods. For one, it's s much easier to just keep a bowl of food down and forget about it. That's just always how it's been done with them. Also, if I give them different food, Squermie will surely get jealous and start picking on Brissle. I've considered giving Squermie back to the ex. But if I did that, Brissle would miss him. He can be an ogre at times. But he's gotten much better with age. I think weighing everything out, it would be better to keep him. I just have to be real fair about everything.
 
Brissle has been doing great. We finished the VO injections about 2 weeks ago. She's almost back to her normal weight! She has plenty of energy. It's looking real good! I'll be taking Brissle to the vet next week for blood tests. One month ago, when this all started, her HCT was 9.7%. The pink in her nose makes a good visual indicator of HCT. It's still pretty light. Nowhere near as dark pink as Squermie's. But on the day I brought her to the vet, her nose was completely gray! I really don't remember how dark her nose was originally. I would highly recommend making a mental note or taking a picture of the pinkness of all your cat's noses, especially the healthy ones, so you have something to gauge by.
 
Thanks for listening!
-KyleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Food for FeLV plus Urine Crystals, Brissle Update

[Melbeach]

Well I'm at the end of my bag of Science Diet CD/S. 
So it's time to buy more food. Here's my dilemma. Brissle is my FeLV+ female. 
Her FeLV- brother Squermie has urine crystal issues. They are both 8 years old. 
Squermie was about 2 when he had his urine crystals episode. It was really bad. 
He had to stay at the vet twice with a catheter inserted, once for an entire 
week. They said if he had another incident, they would have to "make him a 
girl". Apparently, girls have wider tubes and don’t have these 
problems.
 
Up until Squermie's incident, we were feeding them 
Max Cat. I don't remember which type. But I was warned about byproducts and the 
Max Cat said it had no byproducts. So we used it and paid dearly. After the 
incident, they have both been eating only Science Diet CD/S. That was all 6 
years ago and Squermie hasn't had another incident since. So I really don't want 
to tamper with success. But now I'm hearing more about how bad Science Diet is 
with byproducts. Is there a no-byproduct dry food that's also especially made 
for urine crystals? I say "especially made for urine crystals" instead of 
"low-magnesium" because I'm not sure if low-magnesium is the only thing that 
makes Science Diet CD/S so special. I remember asking my last vet if I could 
just buy one of the low-magnesium foods at the pet store. But he said absolutely 
no. Only Science Diet CD/S.
 
I want to avoid feeding them both different foods. 
For one, it's s much easier to just keep a bowl of food down and forget 
about it. That's just always how it's been done with them. Also, if I give them 
different food, Squermie will surely get jealous and start picking on Brissle. 
I've considered giving Squermie back to the ex. But if I did that, Brissle would 
miss him. He can be an ogre at times. But he's gotten much better with age. I 
think weighing everything out, it would be better to keep him. I just have to be 
real fair about everything.
 
Brissle has been doing great. We finished the VO 
injections about 2 weeks ago. She's almost back to her normal weight! She has 
plenty of energy. It's looking real good! I'll be taking Brissle to the vet next 
week for blood tests. One month ago, when this all started, her HCT was 9.7%. 
The pink in her nose makes a good visual indicator of HCT. It's still pretty 
light. Nowhere near as dark pink as Squermie's. But on the day I brought her to 
the vet, her nose was completely gray! I really don't remember how dark her nose 
was originally. I would highly recommend making a mental note or taking a 
picture of the pinkness of all your cat's noses, especially the healthy ones, so 
you have something to gauge by.
 
Thanks for listening!
-Kyle

Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[Melbeach]

Bonnie! I didn't mean I thought it was your dog on the news. I was just trying
to make a silly psychic connection.

-Kyle

- Original Message - 
From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!


> No, it wasn't the yellow lab that attacked the kitty, it was a black
> female German Shepherd who's always gotten along with and been gentle
> with kitties. I guess this is a question for animal behaviorists.
>
> Bonnie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Melbeach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:12 am
> Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
>
> > You want to hear something weird? I always take fortune cookies
> > seriously. I
> > don't know. I guess you could call me superstitious. But I always
> > get the
> > really profound one for some reason. Anyway last night I'm
> > finishing my
> > Chinese food and I get to the fortune cookie and I gulp and take a
> > deepbreath. Okay, what's going to happen to Brissle now? Well the
> > fortune cookie
> > said "Stubbornness is not a good virtue." So of course I
> > immediately reflect
> > back to the whole pitbull thread and right at that moment I looked
> > up at the
> > TV and I see the words "yellow lab" on the screen. It was the news
> > and they
> > were showing the transcript of a 911 call. I think the operator
> > asked the kid
> > something about whether it was a black lab or yellow lab. Well I
> > never heard
> > the term yellow lab in my entire life until yesterday. I
> > remembered it was the
> > last thing mentioned on the pitbull thread before I logged off.
> > And now I
> > check back and it was you that mentioned you had a yellow lab!
> > What time did
> > this happen? It was about 10pm Eastern when I read my fortune cookie.
> >
> > -Kyle
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> >
> >
> > > No need to apologize!
> > >
> > > Tonight something inexplicable happened at our house. My black half
> > > meezer Andre was sharpening his claws at the cat scratcher when my
> > > brother's always sweet German Shepherd walked by. She's been around
> > > Andre a lot but suddenly she attacked and seemed to be biting
> > him. I
> > > got her away from him, screaming all the time. I examined Andre all
> > > over and he doesn't seem hurt but he hid under a chair for a long
> > > time. Before this Andre was never afraid of dogs. We put the dog in
> > > her crate where she sat looking abashed and sad.
> > >
> > > My brother lost his own cat, Jezebel, to FELV and lymphoma last
> year
> > > and the dog was always so sweet to her. He was thinking about
> > getting> another cat, but he was so shaken by what happened
> > tonight that he
> > > said he doesn't think he will now.
> > > It looked like Andre's scratching triggered the attack, but no
> > one can
> > > figure out why. My brother got the dog from the Humane Society when
> > > she was a three month old pup.
> > >
> > > Bonnie in WI
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:30 pm
> > > Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> > >
> > > > Interesting!  Thanks for that, I didn't know that...but makes
> > > > sense...Iknow that dogs on leashes can be inclined to do the same
> > > > thing simply
> > > > because they feel they have no where to go, so they think they
> > > > have no
> > > > choice but to stay and fight if they feel threatened.
> > > >
> > > > I absolutely agree that yellow labs are some of the sweetest
> dogs!
> > > > I
> > > > didn't mean to infer otherwise and if I did, I apologize!  Looks
> > > > like my
> > > > dog Oscar and I could both use a little therapy to get over our
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[BONNIE J KALMBACH]

No, it wasn't the yellow lab that attacked the kitty, it was a black 
female German Shepherd who's always gotten along with and been gentle 
with kitties. I guess this is a question for animal behaviorists.

Bonnie

- Original Message -
From: Melbeach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:12 am
Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

> You want to hear something weird? I always take fortune cookies 
> seriously. I
> don't know. I guess you could call me superstitious. But I always 
> get the
> really profound one for some reason. Anyway last night I'm 
> finishing my
> Chinese food and I get to the fortune cookie and I gulp and take a 
> deepbreath. Okay, what's going to happen to Brissle now? Well the 
> fortune cookie
> said "Stubbornness is not a good virtue." So of course I 
> immediately reflect
> back to the whole pitbull thread and right at that moment I looked 
> up at the
> TV and I see the words "yellow lab" on the screen. It was the news 
> and they
> were showing the transcript of a 911 call. I think the operator 
> asked the kid
> something about whether it was a black lab or yellow lab. Well I 
> never heard
> the term yellow lab in my entire life until yesterday. I 
> remembered it was the
> last thing mentioned on the pitbull thread before I logged off. 
> And now I
> check back and it was you that mentioned you had a yellow lab! 
> What time did
> this happen? It was about 10pm Eastern when I read my fortune cookie.
> 
> -Kyle
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:54 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> 
> 
> > No need to apologize!
> >
> > Tonight something inexplicable happened at our house. My black half
> > meezer Andre was sharpening his claws at the cat scratcher when my
> > brother's always sweet German Shepherd walked by. She's been around
> > Andre a lot but suddenly she attacked and seemed to be biting 
> him. I
> > got her away from him, screaming all the time. I examined Andre all
> > over and he doesn't seem hurt but he hid under a chair for a long
> > time. Before this Andre was never afraid of dogs. We put the dog in
> > her crate where she sat looking abashed and sad.
> >
> > My brother lost his own cat, Jezebel, to FELV and lymphoma last 
year
> > and the dog was always so sweet to her. He was thinking about 
> getting> another cat, but he was so shaken by what happened 
> tonight that he
> > said he doesn't think he will now.
> > It looked like Andre's scratching triggered the attack, but no 
> one can
> > figure out why. My brother got the dog from the Humane Society when
> > she was a three month old pup.
> >
> > Bonnie in WI
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:30 pm
> > Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> >
> > > Interesting!  Thanks for that, I didn't know that...but makes
> > > sense...Iknow that dogs on leashes can be inclined to do the same
> > > thing simply
> > > because they feel they have no where to go, so they think they
> > > have no
> > > choice but to stay and fight if they feel threatened.
> > >
> > > I absolutely agree that yellow labs are some of the sweetest 
dogs!
> > > I
> > > didn't mean to infer otherwise and if I did, I apologize!  Looks
> > > like my
> > > dog Oscar and I could both use a little therapy to get over our
> > >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

Another Pepcid AC question

[Del Daniels]

I bought the Gelcaps Pepcid AC and 
the ingredients do not compare with the regular Pepcid AC square tablets ... the 
gelcaps are solid and can be quartered but list several other 
ingredients and I am reluctant to use them unless some of you already have used 
them without any problems with the kitty.  Of course, the sales receipt is 
already in the trash :( but I prefer to throw them out then have a bad reaction 
for kitty.  
 
Also ... in the morning Noah has 1/4 Pepcid about 
7am, 15 minutes before his breakfast ... should he have the next one 15 
minutes before his supper which would be about 5pm or is that too close together 
to give the meds?  Or should I wait until later in the evening even though 
he has already eaten?  I feel quite stupid about the best way to give them 
to his best advantage.  I'd really appreciate the input, his 
mouth is a mess of sores and he has spewed some projectile vomiting ... clear 
bright yellow liquid.  The vet saw him last week, there were eosinophils 
along with mucho bacteria.  He had a Depo injection and on Clavamox, with 
very slow improvement.  Our vet is on vacation this week and while I 
could call him I prefer not to unless it is a dire emergency.  
 
 
Del>^.^

RE: Safer Vaccinations for Companion Animals Petition

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Done---thanks, Nina.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Safer Vaccinations for Companion Animals Petition


Hi Everyone,
I was looking into cancer occurrence due to vaccinations and came across

this petition.  I thought you guys might be interested in signing it as 
well.
Nina

http://www.petitiononline.com/petvax23/petition.html


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RE: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[Gloria B. Lane]

If they'd go after the owners instead of the dogs would make more sense... 
And then if there were better laws about dog fighting it would be great too.

At 08:33 AM 3/31/2005, you wrote:
Whoa!  And you know what the first thing I saw on the news this morning
when I turned the t.v. on?  Two pit bulls attacked a kid in
California...Arg!  Just can't win sometimes... ;)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melbeach
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
You want to hear something weird? I always take fortune cookies
seriously. I don't know. I guess you could call me superstitious. But I
always get the really profound one for some reason. Anyway last night
I'm finishing my Chinese food and I get to the fortune cookie and I gulp
and take a deep breath. Okay, what's going to happen to Brissle now?
Well the fortune cookie said "Stubbornness is not a good virtue." So of
course I immediately reflect back to the whole pitbull thread and right
at that moment I looked up at the TV and I see the words "yellow lab" on
the screen. It was the news and they were showing the transcript of a
911 call. I think the operator asked the kid something about whether it
was a black lab or yellow lab. Well I never heard the term yellow lab in
my entire life until yesterday. I remembered it was the last thing
mentioned on the pitbull thread before I logged off. And now I check
back and it was you that mentioned you had a yellow lab! What time did
this happen? It was about 10pm Eastern when I read my fortune cookie.
-Kyle
- Original Message -
From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
> No need to apologize!
>
> Tonight something inexplicable happened at our house. My black half
> meezer Andre was sharpening his claws at the cat scratcher when my
> brother's always sweet German Shepherd walked by. She's been around
> Andre a lot but suddenly she attacked and seemed to be biting him. I
> got her away from him, screaming all the time. I examined Andre all
> over and he doesn't seem hurt but he hid under a chair for a long
> time. Before this Andre was never afraid of dogs. We put the dog in
> her crate where she sat looking abashed and sad.
>
> My brother lost his own cat, Jezebel, to FELV and lymphoma last year
> and the dog was always so sweet to her. He was thinking about getting
> another cat, but he was so shaken by what happened tonight that he
> said he doesn't think he will now. It looked like Andre's scratching
> triggered the attack, but no one can figure out why. My brother got
> the dog from the Humane Society when she was a three month old pup.
>
> Bonnie in WI
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:30 pm
> Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
>
> > Interesting!  Thanks for that, I didn't know that...but makes
> > sense...Iknow that dogs on leashes can be inclined to do the same
> > thing simply because they feel they have no where to go, so they
> > think they have no
> > choice but to stay and fight if they feel threatened.
> >
> > I absolutely agree that yellow labs are some of the sweetest dogs! I
> > didn't mean to infer otherwise and if I did, I apologize!  Looks
> > like my
> > dog Oscar and I could both use a little therapy to get over our
> >>
>
>

Re: Felix update

[Cherie A Gabbert]

Felix is in my thoughts, I am glad he is well, please keep us informed ;-))
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I finally heard from Susan, Angel's Gate, and my Felix has settled in and is doing well!! I am so glad to hear that,I have been so worried! And I still cry every day!  I still miss him like crazy and am trying to plan a trip for a visit shortly, if possible, w/ everything going on here, the sale of the house etc.
 
And I don't know if I had mentioned it before, but a friend was "fostering" my 2 fosters (the ones I smuggled from vets cause they were to be euth'ed, improper eliminatuion,bah! )They both had UTI's and w/ diet, meds, and catnip sprinked in CLEAN litterboxes I've only had a couple 'incidents'.
Anyway, I had to go pick them up from her house yesterday They were not eating, and were depressed. They actually missed me! And since they are both 20 lbs or better, I feared hepatic lipadosis, so they're home and seem happy.
But what am I going to do??? I took them in as "fosters". I am going to have to move after selling the house and I fear I might have to rent until I find another house. And I have 4 dogs, and I am back up to 5 cats???
I guess the boys consider me "Mom" since I've been fostering both since September...just haven't been able to find an acceptable home.
I guess somehow I'll manage.
Please keep Felix in your prayers. Although he is doing fine, he is 19 and has several problems. I'm praying he still has a few GOOD years left!
(Heck, Big Al passed peacefully at home at 21!!)
Hugs,
Patti

RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

My FeLV kitties don't get conventional treats as such. They're crazy
about the Wellness dry food, so I regard that as their treat, which they
get in the evening.
So their routine consists of wet food (Petguard) in the morning and
evening, and then a few hours after they've eaten their wet food, before
bedtime, they get the dry food. They can hear me in the kitchen pouring
the dry into their metal tray--when I bring it to their room I'm
practically knocked over in the stampede. Wonderful to watch--that's my
nightly treat!
High days and holidays I might give them tuna--Anitra Frazier would not
approve, but I figure as it's very limited and they enjoy it, it's ok.
My negs don't care much for regular treats. One of them likes yogurt but
it has to be out of the yogurt container, and it has to one that I've
just finished. (She won't eat it if I put some out separately for her.)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued
andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)


What do you guys use for treats?

>From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>To: 
>Subject: RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued 
>andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)
>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:27:40 -0700
>
>Anything which include any artificial preservative, especially, BHT and
>BHA should be avoided, if you know what they are, and what they are
used
>for, there's no way that we can feed to our babies - especially FeLV+
>babies -
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
>Kerry N.
>Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:26 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and
>amcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)
>
>Hi Sue
>Re your vet's assessment of Iams, I honestly don't think "fine" is good
>enough -- and especially for FeLV kitties with their severely
>compromised immune systems. And no disrespect to your vet, but many
>vets--including my own--have never led me to believe they know or care
>that much about nutrition for healthy cats never mind FELV cats. (I'd
>say the same for a lot of doctors re human nutrition.)
>Iams dry has e.g. chicken by-products, ie, all the chicken parts that
>human carnivores would not wish to eat, and corn filler and cellulose,
>and since the labels don't say "no artificial preservatives, flavors or
>colors" I have to presume it has those too. I used to feed my cats dry
>Iams out of ignorance -- I didn't know there was a whole bunch of
>better-quality brands out there. The Wellness dry that I now buy
>specifically states on the package a list of things they do not use,
and
>the list includes meat by-products, corn, cellulose, and artificial
>preservatives, flavors or colors.
>Kerry
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch
>Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:15 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am
caring
>forDeirdre (FELV+)
>
>
>I use IAMS hard food and my vet said it's fine for felv+ kitty's.
>
> >From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >To: 
> >Subject: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring
> >forDeirdre (FELV+)
> >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:00:32 -0600
> >
> >Hi Kathleen
> >I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till
now---welcome
> >to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find
> >us.
> >You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch
of
> >people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me!
> >It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre
has
> >such a caring "mom."
> >I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took
in
> >were felv positive.
> >I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats
> >and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My
most
> >precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The
> >Natural Cat Book.
> >Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient
>points:
> >
> >~~Give only filtered water.
> >~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or
>Science
> >diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no
> >means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher
> >quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg
> >Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet
stores
> >(you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart
chains).
> >I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and
>dry
> >food morning and evening.
> >~~Add these supplements morni

RE: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[Jen Meyer]

Whoa!  And you know what the first thing I saw on the news this morning
when I turned the t.v. on?  Two pit bulls attacked a kid in
California...Arg!  Just can't win sometimes... ;)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melbeach
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!


You want to hear something weird? I always take fortune cookies
seriously. I don't know. I guess you could call me superstitious. But I
always get the really profound one for some reason. Anyway last night
I'm finishing my Chinese food and I get to the fortune cookie and I gulp
and take a deep breath. Okay, what's going to happen to Brissle now?
Well the fortune cookie said "Stubbornness is not a good virtue." So of
course I immediately reflect back to the whole pitbull thread and right
at that moment I looked up at the TV and I see the words "yellow lab" on
the screen. It was the news and they were showing the transcript of a
911 call. I think the operator asked the kid something about whether it
was a black lab or yellow lab. Well I never heard the term yellow lab in
my entire life until yesterday. I remembered it was the last thing
mentioned on the pitbull thread before I logged off. And now I check
back and it was you that mentioned you had a yellow lab! What time did
this happen? It was about 10pm Eastern when I read my fortune cookie.

-Kyle

- Original Message - 
From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!


> No need to apologize!
>
> Tonight something inexplicable happened at our house. My black half 
> meezer Andre was sharpening his claws at the cat scratcher when my 
> brother's always sweet German Shepherd walked by. She's been around 
> Andre a lot but suddenly she attacked and seemed to be biting him. I 
> got her away from him, screaming all the time. I examined Andre all 
> over and he doesn't seem hurt but he hid under a chair for a long 
> time. Before this Andre was never afraid of dogs. We put the dog in 
> her crate where she sat looking abashed and sad.
>
> My brother lost his own cat, Jezebel, to FELV and lymphoma last year 
> and the dog was always so sweet to her. He was thinking about getting 
> another cat, but he was so shaken by what happened tonight that he 
> said he doesn't think he will now. It looked like Andre's scratching 
> triggered the attack, but no one can figure out why. My brother got 
> the dog from the Humane Society when she was a three month old pup.
>
> Bonnie in WI
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:30 pm
> Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
>
> > Interesting!  Thanks for that, I didn't know that...but makes 
> > sense...Iknow that dogs on leashes can be inclined to do the same 
> > thing simply because they feel they have no where to go, so they 
> > think they have no
> > choice but to stay and fight if they feel threatened.
> >
> > I absolutely agree that yellow labs are some of the sweetest dogs! I
> > didn't mean to infer otherwise and if I did, I apologize!  Looks
> > like my
> > dog Oscar and I could both use a little therapy to get over our
> >>
>
>

Re: Felix update

[Melbeach]

Patti, is Felix FeLV+? Either way, 19 is 
awesome!
-Kyle
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:40 
  AM
  Subject: Felix update
  
  I finally heard from Susan, Angel's 
  Gate, and my Felix has settled in and is doing well!! I am so glad to hear 
  that,I have been so worried! And I still cry every day!  I still miss him 
  like crazy and am trying to plan a trip for a visit shortly, if possible, w/ 
  everything going on here, the sale of the house etc.
   
  And I don't know if I had mentioned it 
  before, but a friend was "fostering" my 2 fosters (the ones I smuggled from 
  vets cause they were to be euth'ed, improper eliminatuion,bah! )They both had 
  UTI's and w/ diet, meds, and catnip sprinked in CLEAN litterboxes I've only 
  had a couple 'incidents'.
  Anyway, I had to go pick them up from 
  her house yesterday They were not eating, and were depressed. They 
  actually missed me! And since they are both 20 lbs or better, I feared hepatic 
  lipadosis, so they're home and seem happy.
  But what am I going to do??? I took 
  them in as "fosters". I am going to have to move after selling the house and I 
  fear I might have to rent until I find another house. And I have 4 dogs, and I 
  am back up to 5 cats???
  I guess the boys consider me "Mom" 
  since I've been fostering both since September...just haven't been able to 
  find an acceptable home.
  I guess somehow I'll 
  manage.
  Please keep Felix in your prayers. 
  Although he is doing fine, he is 19 and has several problems. I'm praying he 
  still has a few GOOD years left!
  (Heck, Big Al passed peacefully at 
  home at 21!!)
  Hugs,
  Patti

Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[Melbeach]

You want to hear something weird? I always take fortune cookies seriously. I
don't know. I guess you could call me superstitious. But I always get the
really profound one for some reason. Anyway last night I'm finishing my
Chinese food and I get to the fortune cookie and I gulp and take a deep
breath. Okay, what's going to happen to Brissle now? Well the fortune cookie
said "Stubbornness is not a good virtue." So of course I immediately reflect
back to the whole pitbull thread and right at that moment I looked up at the
TV and I see the words "yellow lab" on the screen. It was the news and they
were showing the transcript of a 911 call. I think the operator asked the kid
something about whether it was a black lab or yellow lab. Well I never heard
the term yellow lab in my entire life until yesterday. I remembered it was the
last thing mentioned on the pitbull thread before I logged off. And now I
check back and it was you that mentioned you had a yellow lab! What time did
this happen? It was about 10pm Eastern when I read my fortune cookie.

-Kyle

- Original Message - 
From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!


> No need to apologize!
>
> Tonight something inexplicable happened at our house. My black half
> meezer Andre was sharpening his claws at the cat scratcher when my
> brother's always sweet German Shepherd walked by. She's been around
> Andre a lot but suddenly she attacked and seemed to be biting him. I
> got her away from him, screaming all the time. I examined Andre all
> over and he doesn't seem hurt but he hid under a chair for a long
> time. Before this Andre was never afraid of dogs. We put the dog in
> her crate where she sat looking abashed and sad.
>
> My brother lost his own cat, Jezebel, to FELV and lymphoma last year
> and the dog was always so sweet to her. He was thinking about getting
> another cat, but he was so shaken by what happened tonight that he
> said he doesn't think he will now.
> It looked like Andre's scratching triggered the attack, but no one can
> figure out why. My brother got the dog from the Humane Society when
> she was a three month old pup.
>
> Bonnie in WI
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:30 pm
> Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
>
> > Interesting!  Thanks for that, I didn't know that...but makes
> > sense...Iknow that dogs on leashes can be inclined to do the same
> > thing simply
> > because they feel they have no where to go, so they think they
> > have no
> > choice but to stay and fight if they feel threatened.
> >
> > I absolutely agree that yellow labs are some of the sweetest dogs!
> > I
> > didn't mean to infer otherwise and if I did, I apologize!  Looks
> > like my
> > dog Oscar and I could both use a little therapy to get over our
> >>
>
>

Re: Felix update

[Gloria B. Lane]

Hey  Patti - think you're going to need more luck finding a home with 
the 4 dogs, than the 5 cats.  Maybe a good rental house prospect will 
turn up.  But I'm keeping Felix in my prayers - wow, 19 years, 
awesome.

Best of luck,
Gloria
I finally heard from Susan, Angel's Gate, and my Felix has settled in 
and is doing well!! I am so glad to hear that,I have been so worried! 
And I still cry every day!  I still miss him like crazy and am trying 
to plan a trip for a visit shortly, if possible, w/ everything going 
on here, the sale of the house etc.

And I don't know if I had mentioned it before, but a friend was 
"fostering" my 2 fosters (the ones I smuggled from vets cause they 
were to be euth'ed, improper eliminatuion,bah! )They both had UTI's 
and w/ diet, meds, and catnip sprinked in CLEAN litterboxes I've only 
had a couple 'incidents'.
Anyway, I had to go pick them up from her house yesterday They 
were not eating, and were depressed. They actually missed me! And 
since they are both 20 lbs or better, I feared hepatic lipadosis, so 
they're home and seem happy.
But what am I going to do??? I took them in as "fosters". I am going 
to have to move after selling the house and I fear I might have to 
rent until I find another house. And I have 4 dogs, and I am back up 
to 5 cats???
I guess the boys consider me "Mom" since I've been fostering both 
since September...just haven't been able to find an acceptable home.
I guess somehow I'll manage.
Please keep Felix in your prayers. Although he is doing fine, he is 
19 and has several problems. I'm praying he still has a few GOOD 
years left!
(Heck, Big Al passed peacefully at home at 21!!)
Hugs,
Patti

Re: Safer Vaccinations for Companion Animals Petition

[PEC2851]

Nina, 
Petition signed and passed on to other groups and 
friends! Thanks for posting that!
Hugs,
Patti

Re: Fwd: 'help' my cat shorty is sick (jayden)

[Gloria B. Lane]

I have had constipated cats also.  Once the vet did an couple of 
enemas, and it worked but was hard on my kitty.  I stayed up all 
night with him, giving him little drinks of water.  Think I also gave 
him an antibiotic and probiotics.

After that, I gave him lactulose and water every day to make sure he 
didnt' get constipated again.  I also gave him wet cat food. 
Sometimes I also gave mixed some cod liver oil (might try olive oil) 
in with his food, or gently squirted some in his mouth.  Vitamin C is 
good for getting water in the stool and preventing constipation, but 
it isn't always that tastey for cats, so  I found it harder to give. 
I haven't used pumpkin, but think it provides fiber which works for 
some kitties, not for others.

Best of luck -
Gloria
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:49:01 EST
Subject: Re:'help' my cat shorty is sick (jayden)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 to list:
hi, my cat is still not using the restroom and i do have a doc. appt. 
today for him but i was curiouse to know if i could maybe put a 
little vaseline with white petroleum jelly on his paw if that may 
loosen up the stool inside him and if that is okay for him to have? 
please email me back he is uncomfortable and doesnt want to move 
around or be played with and he is whining is there anything else i 
can do? Ive tried butter,veggieoil, and pumpkin.??? what can i do?

Re: 'help' my cat shorty is sick (jayden)

[carlas]

Try baby stewed prunes they are not thrilled but when my cat had 
that as a problem I would use that 4 1cc within an hour or so plus 
the laxatone, pumpkin (which she hated)

This all helped. I did pumpkin every day 1 cc 2x a day but when 
there was a problem I used the prunes and alittle mineral oil but not 
much since they can choke due to no taste.

My holistic vet recommanded Seneca 1/2 capsule but I never had 
to use it. She said to use that instead of emena. I have used it on 
one of my other cats that seemed to be consipated and was ok.

Carla

Felix update

[PEC2851]

I finally heard from Susan, Angel's 
Gate, and my Felix has settled in and is doing well!! I am so glad to hear 
that,I have been so worried! And I still cry every day!  I still miss him 
like crazy and am trying to plan a trip for a visit shortly, if possible, w/ 
everything going on here, the sale of the house etc.
 
And I don't know if I had mentioned it 
before, but a friend was "fostering" my 2 fosters (the ones I smuggled from vets 
cause they were to be euth'ed, improper eliminatuion,bah! )They both had UTI's 
and w/ diet, meds, and catnip sprinked in CLEAN litterboxes I've only had a 
couple 'incidents'.
Anyway, I had to go pick them up from 
her house yesterday They were not eating, and were depressed. They actually 
missed me! And since they are both 20 lbs or better, I feared hepatic lipadosis, 
so they're home and seem happy.
But what am I going to do??? I took them 
in as "fosters". I am going to have to move after selling the house and I fear I 
might have to rent until I find another house. And I have 4 dogs, and I am back 
up to 5 cats???
I guess the boys consider me "Mom" since 
I've been fostering both since September...just haven't been able to find an 
acceptable home.
I guess somehow I'll 
manage.
Please keep Felix in your prayers. 
Although he is doing fine, he is 19 and has several problems. I'm praying he 
still has a few GOOD years left!
(Heck, Big Al passed peacefully at home 
at 21!!)
Hugs,
Patti

Re: 'help' my cat shorty is sick (jayden)

[PEC2851]

Yes. Lactulose is a prescription med you can get from 
vet. However, since it's been 3 days or more now, w/ no BM, I would ask vet 
about possiby an x-ray(after manually paplpitating abdomen), just to rule out 
any type of blockage.
Unfortunately, I have seen cats come in w/ 
blockages.
Also, if the vet feels the bowels are hard, he can 
admimister an enema, We usually so one enema. Wait 30 minutes and do another. 
The kitty enemas are not expensive, and our vet also will send some home. I 
usually keep some on hand for Thomas, who is prone to 
constipation.
Just make sure the vet does a thorough exam and 
informs what he thinks is causing the constipation and what you can do in the 
future to prevent it.
With my Thomas, he only eats dry food and I have to 
literally put water in the tub, so while he soaks, hr drinks. (He's a Maine Coon 
& LOVES playing in H20). In fact, he'd rather play in water instead of 
drinking! He also is on a daily dose of Laxatone.
Good Luck,
Patti
 
P.S. We used pumpkin @ the shelter and were very 
disappointed with the lack of results/improvements.
While my personal vet recgommends Laxatone, the 
shelter vet prescribes Lactulose.

Re: Fwd: feline leukemia:my preciuos son shorty isnt doing very goodat all! what ...

[catatonya]

I can't tell by these symptoms.  Let us know what the vet says about Shorty.  I hope it's something easily (and cheaply!) treated.  Keep us posted!
 
tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:42:56 ESTSubject: feline leukemia:my preciuos son shorty isnt doing very goodat all!what can i doTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

M y cat shorty is now about a year and a half old. He has had leukemia since he was born. We were lucky to find him before they put him to sleep. He is normally very talkative,very outgoing, always wanting to play and run around. Now he did have a sister that was also felv+ ,we also took her home to have a good long life. Unfortunatly his sister jade lived only for 1yr. and 6days. the vet told us that she also had something called fip? im not quite sure what that is. i was so sad about my baby girl passing... that my boyfriend made the effort and found another felv + kitten also a female shorty was much happier with some one to play with.. then our new addition to the family (jayden) well then she started having some problems also... she also passed away.. Now  me and my boyfriend knew and know about the possibilities with having leukemia kittens, we didnt know that it would cost over $2000 to keep them alive. but  i love animals, they need homes to, they
 need love and toys. and i knew that these kittens needed a home. so i gave them one. me and my boyfriend had to end up moving out of our first apt. because of all out vet bills.. we just got them paid off and now shorty is showing signs of heavy breathing, not eating alot, only urinating little tiny poos here and there and he doesnt want to be held or played with and hes very touchy when we try to love on him. now i dont know what i would do with out my baby boy, he is my love , without him well id rather be in over my head with vet bills for the rest of my life. is there reall a cure for leukemia? he does not go out side he is an indoor cat only. is there ANYTHING ANYTHING AT ALL that my help my kitty    PURR FOR A CURE!!! THANK YOU PLEASE IF YOU HAVE ANY INFO  WRITE ME BACK PLEASE!!

Re: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

[BONNIE J KALMBACH]

No need to apologize! 

Tonight something inexplicable happened at our house. My black half 
meezer Andre was sharpening his claws at the cat scratcher when my 
brother's always sweet German Shepherd walked by. She's been around 
Andre a lot but suddenly she attacked and seemed to be biting him. I 
got her away from him, screaming all the time. I examined Andre all 
over and he doesn't seem hurt but he hid under a chair for a long 
time. Before this Andre was never afraid of dogs. We put the dog in 
her crate where she sat looking abashed and sad.

My brother lost his own cat, Jezebel, to FELV and lymphoma last year 
and the dog was always so sweet to her. He was thinking about getting 
another cat, but he was so shaken by what happened tonight that he 
said he doesn't think he will now.
It looked like Andre's scratching triggered the attack, but no one can 
figure out why. My brother got the dog from the Humane Society when 
she was a three month old pup.

Bonnie in WI 

- Original Message -
From: Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:30 pm
Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

> Interesting!  Thanks for that, I didn't know that...but makes 
> sense...Iknow that dogs on leashes can be inclined to do the same 
> thing simply
> because they feel they have no where to go, so they think they 
> have no
> choice but to stay and fight if they feel threatened.
> 
> I absolutely agree that yellow labs are some of the sweetest dogs! 
> I
> didn't mean to infer otherwise and if I did, I apologize!  Looks 
> like my
> dog Oscar and I could both use a little therapy to get over our
>>