OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? I just wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something-- something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed by diet. I just wonder if the newer premium foods- with the emphasis being on the high protein content- maybe that is harder to digest for some cats? I switched him on Monday to adult, regular wellness wet at night and he's now only getting 1/4 of a can. I haven't changed the dry food yet b/c I haven't decided what to do about that? We're status quo with the runny poo. I just don't know what to do/try and I'm so frustrated! Someone help! Caroline _ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/
OT: socializing barn kittens
My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat. We are estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 lbs). They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's farm and had her kittens in the barn. I don't know too many details, but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter. They were not taken into the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to be adopted out. If not, they will have to re-released to the barn. She doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess. But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte! And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony). (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted! The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through a whole thing of Nutrical! He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they are the same age, but there's been improvement. He isn't show-ready yet so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.). Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens! Other than just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss. They're not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch them. They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage. So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so. I know if you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again. It's like they go into survival mode when you hold them, so people think they are fun to hold, but really, these little things are dying on the inside while you are doing it! They never purr when I scratch them or handle them. They will hiss sometimes when they first see me or I reach for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore it. Of course, they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave them, but we are making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing. Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to engage with people- and even like them? I hold them together as a group all wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by them all having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored only one of them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and easier to hold than the other two. It's actually really sad to see the effect that that favoritism had on these babies! I just want to be doing all that I can b/c if they can't be socialized, they will have to be released and I will feel like it's partly my fault-- I feel like I can't fail here. It would be especially sad b/c these little things are cute cute! They have those big round apple heads and pudgy faces and huge round eyes and they have medium fur that is really fluffy and poufy- very distinctive looking and I know if they didn't have people issues right now, they would literally fly off the shelves at adoption day! They look little bear cubs basically...insanely cute! Suggestions very welcome at this point! thanks, Caroline _ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Consider tritrichomonas foetus, which is similar to giardia but requires
treatment with ronidazole. (Info at
http://www.bengalcatclub.com/downloads/HealthDIARRHEA1-06.pdf or via google.)
A lot of times, fecal tests show nothing even when something is definitely
there.
And a lot of times (thankfully) not all cats in a population are equally
susceptible, at least not all at the same time. (Thankfully because, based
upon my experience with tritrichomonas more than a year ago, if I had a lot of
cats with the same issue all at once I would have gone stark raving insane.)
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten
named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him
(Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back
then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't
been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet
ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't
remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with
probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic
Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with
Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?)
to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food
and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin
questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.
I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda
going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!)
and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat
Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed
Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do
you think that could be it?!
What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and
lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then
he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great,
his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and
goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration
issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel
like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is
nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's
not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting
there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something?
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that
is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In
the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with
Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer
and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the
wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina
(no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the
runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's
a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium
brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that
means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is
underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food).
Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any
problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? I just wonder if Yoda
has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something--
something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed
by diet. I just wonder if the newer premium foods- with the emphasis being on
the high protein content- maybe that is harder to digest for some cats? I
switched him on Monday to
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. *Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot*- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? *I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens *(whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. *The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. * *He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), *so* *I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). *Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? * I just wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something-- something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed by diet. I just wonder if the newer premium foods- with the emphasis being on the high protein content- maybe that is harder to digest for some cats? I switched him on Monday to adult, regular wellness wet at night and he's now only getting 1/4 of a can. I haven't changed the dry food yet b/c I haven't decided what to do about that? We're status quo with the runny poo. I just don't know what to do/try and I'm so frustrated! Someone help! Caroline -- The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. Get it now!
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
I think Flaglyl for Coccidia== All these parasites are real tough to find---they require repeated fecal test as unless the sample is from a particular spot of the feces that happens to have one of the little buggers-it will go undedected.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? I just wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something-- something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed by diet. I just
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
No. I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon. Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone know about this? Caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kittenYou know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs
RE: socializing barn kittens
Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick up-he'd hiss and curl up just as you described. He'd also run a whole lot faster than me and could get under things! LOL I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could. He was around my cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK. I fed him with the big guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV, vacumn, etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box and the toys-all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was ready to go. He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I made a deal to bring him there during the day and pick him up at night). My only suggestion is to do what you're doing-handle each of them as much as possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes, and I bet it will work out. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: socializing barn kittens My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat. We are estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 lbs). They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's farm and had her kittens in the barn. I don't know too many details, but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter. They were not taken into the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to be adopted out. If not, they will have to re-released to the barn. She doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess. But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte! And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony). (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted! The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through a whole thing of Nutrical! He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they are the same age, but there's been improvement. He isn't show-ready yet so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.). Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens! Other than just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss. They're not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch them. They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage. So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so. I know if you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again. It's like they go into survival mode when you hold them, so people think they are fun to hold, but really, these little things are dying on the inside while you are doing it! They never purr when I scratch them or handle them. They will hiss sometimes when they first see me or I reach for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore it. Of course, they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave them, but we are making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing. Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to engage with people- and even like them? I hold them together as a group all wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by them all having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored only one of them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and easier to hold than the other two. It's actually really sad to see the effect that that favoritism had on these babies! I just want to be doing all that I can b/c if they can't be socialized, they will have to be released and I will feel like it's partly my fault-- I feel
Re: OT: socializing barn kittens
You're actually off to a very good start.
- Keep holding and petting, whether they admit to liking it or not, and keep
the feathery toys handy.
- Keep them in a very small space so you can easily get your hands on them.
- Add a little meat baby food to your repertoire, especially the chicken,
turkey and ham flavors. You want to follow up petting sessions with a really
special treat. I actually have them lick the baby food off my fingertips.
Gets them even more accustomed to hands.
- Also, whatever space you have them in, play music very softly and/or leave
on a television set to a low volume. Gets them more used to human voices.
- Patience and persistence
- Also, join the feral cat list at
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ and read through the very
extensive files section on taming.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage {
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }My other issue is that is took in 3
female barn kittens last Sat. We are estimating they are about 8 wks (just got
spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 lbs). They were born in a barn in
Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's farm and had her kittens in the
barn. I don't know too many details, but after they were born, they started
coming out of the barn a little so they were noticed by the farmer and his
daughter. They were not taken into the house as far as I know they stayed in
the barn until they were caught and brought to me. So my contact at the
adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out of the bitter bitter
cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to be adopted out. If
not, they will have to re-released to the barn. She doesn't have the
time/resources to take on this project right now and she was given my name and
number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess. But I'm a
rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte! And these babies are the healthiest
lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony). (By the by, 5 of the
7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have
been adopted! The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm
his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is
growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling
underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone
through a whole thing of Nutrical! He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho
they are the same age, but there's been improvement. He isn't show-ready yet
so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).
Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens! Other than just
generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss. They're not really
wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch
them. They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the
scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind
of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage. So
people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things
you can just hold forever, but it's not so. I know if you put them on the
ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again.
It's like they go into survival mode when you hold them, so people think they
are fun to hold, but really, these little things are dying on the inside while
you are doing it! They never purr when I scratch them or handle them. They
will hiss sometimes when they first see me or I reach
for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore it. Of course,
they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave them, but we are
making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with feathers, so I can get
them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing.
Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to
engage with people- and even like them? I hold them together as a group all
wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by them all
having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored only one of
them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and easier to hold
than the other two. It's actually really sad to see the effect that that
favoritism had on these babies! I just want to be doing all that I can b/c if
they can't be socialized, they will have to be released and I will feel like
it's partly my fault-- I feel like I can't fail here. It would be especially
sad b/c these little things are cute cute! They have those big round apple
heads and pudgy faces and huge round eyes and they have medium fur that is
really fluffy and poufy- very distinctive looking and I know if they didn't
have people issues right now, they would literally fly off the
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare though.
Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going
to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral
route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }No. I didn't want to give him
anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon.
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures
and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what
I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone
know about this?
Caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to
detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug
that does it...
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.-
nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no
difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I
stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night
lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency
people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the
same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say:
Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every
meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?!
What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and
lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then
he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great,
his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and
goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration
issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel
like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is
nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's
not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting
there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something?
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that
is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In
the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with
Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer
Re: OT: socializing barn kittens
yeah, what susan just said. i will go and sit in the room with them, too, with some absolutely irresistable toy and make an absolute fool out of myself playing with it, ignoring them all the while. often the temptation to play is just TOO great to resist i won't try to force contact on them (unless it's a situation where they really are close to feral, but we need to be able to tame them JUST enough in case of medical need, when one goes for the welding gloves, and forced-fondling--specially around the ears or base of tail, so they can bite and scratch and hiss all they want til it clicks that, hey, this feels really GOOD). i let them play, and let THEM make the first moves. i will also take a good book in with me, and just become a piece of furniture--understanding that, for some kitties who aren't born housecats, that's all any human will really be. On Dec 19, 2007 4:19 PM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're actually off to a very good start. - Keep holding and petting, whether they admit to liking it or not, and keep the feathery toys handy. - Keep them in a very small space so you can easily get your hands on them. - Add a little meat baby food to your repertoire, especially the chicken, turkey and ham flavors. You want to follow up petting sessions with a really special treat. I actually have them lick the baby food off my fingertips. Gets them even more accustomed to hands. - Also, whatever space you have them in, play music very softly and/or leave on a television set to a low volume. Gets them more used to human voices. - Patience and persistence - Also, join the feral cat list at http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ and read through the very extensive files section on taming. *Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat. We are estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 lbs). They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's farm and had her kittens in the barn. I don't know too many details, but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter. They were not taken into the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to be adopted out. If not, they will have to re-released to the barn. She doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess. But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte! And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony). (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted! The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through a whole thing of Nutrical! He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they are the same age, but there's been improvement. He isn't show-ready yet so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.). Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens! Other than just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss. They're not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch them. They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage. So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so. I know if you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again. It's like they go into survival mode when you hold them, so people think they are fun to hold, but really, these little things are dying on the inside while you are doing it! They never purr when I scratch them or handle them. They will hiss sometimes when they first see me or I reach for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore it. Of course, they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave them, but we are making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing. *Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to engage with people- and even like them? *I hold them together as a group all wrapped up in a towel-
RE: socializing barn kittens
Thanks! That makes me feel better! I do leave the TV on their room all day to force them to get used to human voices. As far as food bowls and litter box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!). Nothing is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me. Especially when I bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc. EVERY TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I hover over top of them! They use the box fine. I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them, LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador. But I didn't want to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a few days we will try that. Supervised of course. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittensDate: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500 Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick up—he’d hiss and curl up just as you described. He’d also run a whole lot faster than me and could get under things! LOL I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could. He was around my cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK. I fed him with the big guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV, vacumn, etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box and the toys—all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was ready to go. He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I made a deal to bring him there during the day and pick him up at night). My only suggestion is to do what you’re doing—handle each of them as much as possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes, and I bet it will work out… Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OT: socializing barn kittens My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat. We are estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 lbs). They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's farm and had her kittens in the barn. I don't know too many details, but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter. They were not taken into the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to be adopted out. If not, they will have to re-released to the barn. She doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess. But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte! And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony). (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted! The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through a whole thing of Nutrical! He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they are the same age, but there's been improvement. He isn't show-ready yet so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.). Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens! Other than just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss. They're not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch them. They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage. So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so. I know if you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again. It's like they go into survival
RE: socializing barn kittens
You've found their Achilles heel -- their appetites! Work it. Meat baby food,
a little roast chickenThey'll learn to appreciate people very quickly at
that rate.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px;
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Thanks! That makes me feel better! I do leave the TV on their room all day to
force them to get used to human voices. As far as food bowls and litter box-
no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!). Nothing is
going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me. Especially when I
bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I
sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny
to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking
I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc. EVERY
TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I
hover over top of them! They use the box fine.
I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them,
LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador. But I didn't want
to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a few days
we will try that. Supervised of course.
caroline
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500
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.ExternalClass EC_div.Section1 {page:Section1;} Fostered a little guy
that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick uphed hiss and curl
up just as you described. Hed also run a whole lot faster than me
and could get under things! LOL
I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could. He was around my
cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with
them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK. I fed him with the big
guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV, vacumn,
etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box and the
toysall those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was ready to go.
He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I made a deal to bring
him there during the day and pick him up at night).
My only suggestion is to do what youre doinghandle each of them as much as
possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes, and I
bet it will work out
Christiane Biagi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline
Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: socializing barn kittens
My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat. We are
estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3
lbs). They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's
farm and had her kittens in the barn. I don't know too many details, but after
they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were
noticed by the farmer and his daughter. They were not taken into the house as
far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me.
So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out
of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to
be adopted out. If not, they will have to re-released to the barn. She
doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was
given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess.
But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte!
And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time
(aw the irony). (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through
illnesses and fostered
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow! So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed! He really trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed! And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony! caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kittenTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous. And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon. Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone know about this? Caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kittenYou know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Yep, treat that boy! I'd go with ronidazole rather than flagyl/metronidazole.
Ronidazole will treat giardia and tritrich.
What dosage of metronidazole was he previously on and for how long? Don't
count on fecal tests to be accurate. They really aren't especially in the
early stages.
A cat with chronic diarrhea needs to be treated. Otherwise it can damage the
anal sphincter and the cat has a lifelong incontinence issue.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is
run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow! So sometimes there are
poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky
covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the
Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day
after his little party on my bed! He really trashed it one time and my mom was
like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed! And I'm a
clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare
though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going
to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral
route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}No. I didn't want
to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon.
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures
and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what
I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone
know about this?
Caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to
detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug
that does it...
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.-
nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no
difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I
stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night
lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency
people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the
same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say:
Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every
meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?!
What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and
lean and
Re: socializing barn kittens
Try Feliway and CatNap (Dr. Maier has some) to calm them. Use the spray, not the plug ins. Feed them in very small amounts numerous times a day and let them see you and associate you with the food. Watch out for those baby teeth. Don't be afraid but know that they know how to protect themselves and, like any cornered critter, will fight. Get a consult with Dr. Maier.she knows alot about this subject and, as you know, is great. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: OT: socializing barn kittens My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat. We are estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 lbs). They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's farm and had her kittens in the barn. I don't know too many details, but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter. They were not taken into the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to be adopted out. If not, they will have to re-released to the barn. She doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess. But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte! And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony). (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted! The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through a whole thing of Nutrical! He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they are the same age, but there's been improvement. He isn't show-ready yet so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.). Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens! Other than just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss. They're not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch them. They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage. So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so. I know if you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again. It's like they go into survival mode when you hold them, so people think they are fun to hold, but really, these little things are dying on the inside while you are doing it! They never purr when I scratch them or handle them. They will hiss sometimes when they first see me or I reach for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore it. Of course, they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave them, but we are making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing. Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to engage with people- and even like them? I hold them together as a group all wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by them all having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored only one of them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and easier to hold than the other two. It's actually really sad to see the effect that that favoritism had on these babies! I just want to be doing all that I can b/c if they can't be socialized, they will have to be released and I will feel like it's partly my fault-- I feel like I can't fail here. It would be especially sad b/c these little things are cute cute! They have those big round apple heads and pudgy faces and huge round eyes and they have medium fur that is really fluffy and poufy- very distinctive looking and I know if they didn't have people issues
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Caroline I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we used everything beginning with Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium met which worked for several months but it is back again and we in the same state that you are. Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that cured her chronic diarrhea which was the result of IBD. You might check with her. I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one of the vets indicated that it could be a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of consulting another vet. If I learn anything new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It is really awful. Jane On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/ c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? I just wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or
RE: socializing barn kittens
The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and most playful cat) He followed him around continuously and played non stop. Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn't know what to make of him taking over her favorite 'napping' spot. S, I think it does help to be around socialized cats who can sort of show them the way. One other thing-we must look like huge monsters to these little guys. He got more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of snuck up behind him and scooped him up! It just got to be a game where I'd scoop him up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down. but it seemed to work with him. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Thanks! That makes me feel better! I do leave the TV on their room all day to force them to get used to human voices. As far as food bowls and litter box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!). Nothing is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me. Especially when I bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc. EVERY TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I hover over top of them! They use the box fine. I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them, LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador. But I didn't want to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a few days we will try that. Supervised of course. caroline _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500 Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick up-he'd hiss and curl up just as you described. He'd also run a whole lot faster than me and could get under things! LOL I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could. He was around my cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK. I fed him with the big guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV, vacumn, etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box and the toys-all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was ready to go. He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I made a deal to bring him there during the day and pick him up at night). My only suggestion is to do what you're doing-handle each of them as much as possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes, and I bet it will work out. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org http://www.findkpets.org/ Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: socializing barn kittens My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat. We are estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 lbs). They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's farm and had her kittens in the barn. I don't know too many details, but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter. They were not taken into the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to be adopted out. If not, they will have to re-released to the barn. She doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess. But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte! And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony). (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted! The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
I had a calico Persian kitty (Priscilla) who when I got her was just a kitten (she passed away at age 15 last year) and had the same kind of diarrhea problem when she first came to live with me--while otherwise perfectly healthy. When I switched her to Max Cat, it immediately went away and she never had diarrhea again in her entire life. Other kitties I have had with diarrhea but not as persistent - I have given kaopectate and/or Immodium AD (with my vet's concurrence) with good success. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten Caroline I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we used everything beginning with Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium met which worked for several months but it is back again and we in the same state that you are. Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that cured her chronic diarrhea which was the result of IBD. You might check with her. I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one of the vets indicated that it could be a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of consulting another vet. If I learn anything new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It is really awful. Jane On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm not
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Okay, thanks. We are not desperate yet, but it is definitely affecting my ability to adopt him. He's getting bigger and bigger every day and he's now a juvenile and past that adorable teeny kitten stage that all the people seem to want. And I sometimes hold off taking him to cat adoption because want to get the diarrhea solved, rather than dump the problem on someone else. But then the agency people are like why didn't you bring Yoda? and well Dr. so and so didn't find anything, so we really need to get him in here and adopted out... (these people drive me crazy!) and I feel sometimes like I am going crazy. Like people think I'm making it up b/c I just want to keep Yoda or something. Which I wouldn't make up some random diarrhea excuse if that was the case...I'd just keep him and tell everyone to go to H*ll! I need to at least try another vet. That's what we are going to do next week. I'll let you know what happens. Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarrhea in 6 month old kittenDate: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:04:52 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we used everything beginning with Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium met which worked for several months but it is back again and we in the same state that you are. Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that cured her chronic diarrhea which was the result of IBD. You might check with her. I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one of the vets indicated that it could be a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of consulting another vet. If I learn anything new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It is really awful. Jane On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in
RE: socializing barn kittens
Yes! That is exactly what I told my mom! That's the comparison I used. That they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when I come in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack the Beanstock and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I know I shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings. The way they look at me makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot! And it's in such contrast to my upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy cats- Yoda, LeeRoy and Possee! I go in that room and they all knock things over trying to get TO me as fast as possible! If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps on my back and lays on it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever. He greets anyone that walks in the room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks. Possee licks me to death on the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it cool with me, but when I was gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came back, wow, it was a love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but purr and let me hold him. So I'm not used to that terrified look and it does make me sad. I get pouty! I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge laughing is black white a$$ off at me! caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittensDate: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500 The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and most playful cat) He followed him around continuously and played non stop. Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn’t know what to make of him taking over her favorite ‘napping’ spot. S, I think it does help to be around socialized cats who can sort of show them the way. One other thing—we must look like huge monsters to these little guys. He got more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of snuck up behind him and scooped him up! It just got to be a game where I’d scoop him up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down… but it seemed to work with him… Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittens Thanks! That makes me feel better! I do leave the TV on their room all day to force them to get used to human voices. As far as food bowls and litter box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!). Nothing is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me. Especially when I bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc. EVERY TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I hover over top of them! They use the box fine. I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them, LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador. But I didn't want to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a few days we will try that. Supervised of course. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittensDate: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500 Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick up—he’d hiss and curl up just as you described. He’d also run a whole lot faster than me and could get under things! LOL I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could. He was around my cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK. I fed him with the big guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV, vacumn, etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box and the toys—all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was ready to go. He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I made a deal to bring him there during the day and pick him up at night). My only suggestion is to do what you’re doing—handle each of them as much as possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes, and I bet it will work out… Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OT: socializing barn kittens My other issue is that is
Re: socializing barn kittens
Ask Monkee to help you. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt hid from me for months after she had to come live with me. She was an almost grown feral when she decided to move in with my parents..long story but I slept on the floor with her (reducing my size considerably--you might try it with your little ones. Maybe prop yourself up on a pillow and read aloud to them or just be there with them). Dr. Boswell suggested I try Feliway and I went thru several bottles spraying me, my clothes and especially my hands. Everything came together. FYI: Kitty had a right to really dislike me. I took her to the vet's, cut her nails, pilled her, caught her etc. And, worst of all, brought in dogs!!! You can do this. Just remember ferals and barn cats are not born to be pets. They can easily become pets but on their terms not yours or mine. And, when they make that decision, they are the most wonderful friends. You know you have been selected. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Yes! That is exactly what I told my mom! That's the comparison I used. That they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when I come in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack the Beanstock and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I know I shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings. The way they look at me makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot! And it's in such contrast to my upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy cats- Yoda, LeeRoy and Possee! I go in that room and they all knock things over trying to get TO me as fast as possible! If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps on my back and lays on it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever. He greets anyone that walks in the room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks. Possee licks me to death on the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it cool with me, but when I was gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came back, wow, it was a love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but purr and let me hold him. So I'm not used to that terrified look and it does make me sad. I get pouty! I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge laughing is black white a$$ off at me! caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500 The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and most playful cat) He followed him around continuously and played non stop. Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn’t know what to make of him taking over her favorite ‘napping’ spot. S, I think it does help to be around socialized cats who can sort of show them the way. One other thing—we must look like huge monsters to these little guys. He got more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of snuck up behind him and scooped him up! It just got to be a game where I’d scoop him up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down… but it seemed to work with him… Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Thanks! That makes me feel better! I do leave the TV on their room all day to force them to get used to human voices. As far as food bowls and litter box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!). Nothing is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me. Especially when I bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc. EVERY TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I hover over top of them! They use the box fine. I haven't mixed them with my older cats
Re: socializing barn kittens
When you stare at them you are challenging them. I know it is fun but you need to look at them thru almost closed eyes. You are threatening to them. I found out the hard way. I thought you could stare down a cat like you can some dogs. NOPE. They are CAT. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Yes! That is exactly what I told my mom! That's the comparison I used. That they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when I come in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack the Beanstock and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I know I shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings. The way they look at me makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot! And it's in such contrast to my upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy cats- Yoda, LeeRoy and Possee! I go in that room and they all knock things over trying to get TO me as fast as possible! If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps on my back and lays on it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever. He greets anyone that walks in the room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks. Possee licks me to death on the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it cool with me, but when I was gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came back, wow, it was a love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but purr and let me hold him. So I'm not used to that terrified look and it does make me sad. I get pouty! I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge laughing is black white a$$ off at me! caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500 The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and most playful cat) He followed him around continuously and played non stop. Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn’t know what to make of him taking over her favorite ‘napping’ spot. S, I think it does help to be around socialized cats who can sort of show them the way. One other thing—we must look like huge monsters to these little guys. He got more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of snuck up behind him and scooped him up! It just got to be a game where I’d scoop him up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down… but it seemed to work with him… Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Thanks! That makes me feel better! I do leave the TV on their room all day to force them to get used to human voices. As far as food bowls and litter box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!). Nothing is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me. Especially when I bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc. EVERY TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I hover over top of them! They use the box fine. I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them, LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador. But I didn't want to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a few days we will try that. Supervised of course. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500 Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick up—he’d hiss and curl up just as you described. He’d also run a whole lot faster than me and could get under things! LOL I
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Just a suggestion, have you ever tried a raw diet? I feed raw, and one thing I've read many times, is that cats with chronic IBD often develop normal poo when fully switched to raw. - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow! So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed! He really trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed! And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony! caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous. And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK. Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon. Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone know about this? Caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten (Questions for Caroline)
Please do not assume IBD. That's basically a default diagnosis when nothing
else makes sense.
1. How long was he on metronidazole and at what dosage?
2. Has your vet considered tritrichomonas foetus and treatment with
ronidazole? (Tritrich is really pretty common. Until recently however it was
often mistaken as metronidazole-resistant giardia. So don't rule it out as
some rare bug.)
Parasites are very likely. Fecal tests have been estimated at around 50%
accurate. Sometimes you have to treat the symptoms even when the cause is not
certain.
C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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diet? I feed raw, and one thing I've read many times, is that cats with
chronic IBD often develop normal poo when fully switched to raw.
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage
in my pillow! So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so
gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my
actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm
tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed! He really
trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that
bed! And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare
though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going
to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral
route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}No. I didn't want
to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon.
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures
and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what
I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone
know about this?
Caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to
detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug
that does it...
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.-
nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no
difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I
stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night
lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency
people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the
same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say:
RE: socializing barn kittens
They are actually doing really well so far. I have one sitting in my lap right now napping, but when I starting typing on the keyboard, she woke up a little and just follows the cursor with her eyes! But no freak-out or anything. I also discovered the other night that they will nap while I hold all 3 of them together wrapped in a blanket- the kitty burrito- while I work on the computer. They love to watch the cursor being moved by the mouse! I would say at this point they are tamer than ferals and I guess that is why I used the term socialization. Tonight, I've had two of them lick turkey baby food off my finger-- they are such suckers for food- little fatties, so I think that is huge! And the black one, whom I have never heard meow- only hiss at me- meowed at me tonight AFTER I PUT IT BACK IN THE CAT CONDO! Looked right at me and meowed... a bunch of times. So I gave him more baby food- which he ate. On that note, I was told many times by the initial rescuer of these kittens that they are all females. The vet clinic that did their fvrcps, wormings, etc., marked them as all females. I thought all got spayed yesterday. But since I have had them, I kept calling the black one him and he and bud and lil guy and had to correct myself a lot. Well, apparently not b/c I was right. I am one of those people who just gets a sense of sex with cats- even teeny kittens- right away and I am usually never wrong. So that is why this bothered me so much that I was told they were all girls b/c I just didn't get that from the black one. But I went ahead and named them b/c I thought, well the 1st vet clinic said they were all girls But when I went to check the black one's sutures tonight, the belly wasn't shaved and I was like what the H? Low and behold, we have teeny little balls that were removed! I was so happy-- mostly just to know that I was right GD it! But I wish I hadn't named them. I had named them: Ladee (sounds like Lady)- grey white; Babee baby- all grey; and Sadee Sadie- my black one! The double ee's are in honor of Monkee of course. I thought those were about the cutest names ever and Sadee was my favorite. I thought they would be fun to market with those names! Oh well, back to the drawing board. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: socializing barn kittensDate: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:48 -0600 When you stare at them you are challenging them. I know it is fun but you need to look at them thru almost closed eyes. You are threatening to them. I found out the hard way. I thought you could stare down a cat like you can some dogs. NOPE. They are CAT. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens Yes! That is exactly what I told my mom! That's the comparison I used. That they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when I come in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack the Beanstock and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I know I shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings. The way they look at me makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot! And it's in such contrast to my upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy cats- Yoda, LeeRoy and Possee! I go in that room and they all knock things over trying to get TO me as fast as possible! If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps on my back and lays on it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever. He greets anyone that walks in the room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks. Possee licks me to death on the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it cool with me, but when I was gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came back, wow, it was a love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but purr and let me hold him. So I'm not used to that terrified look and it does make me sad. I get pouty! I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge laughing is black white a$$ off at me!caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittensDate: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500 The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and most playful cat) He followed him around continuously and played non stop. Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn’t know what to make of him taking over her favorite ‘napping’ spot. S, I think it does help to be around socialized cats who can sort of show them the way. One other
Re: socializing barn kittens
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Re: socializing barn kittens
If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: socializing barn kittens You may want to get a laser pointer (Office Depot, Wal-Mart etc) to use with the little ones. Just be extremely careful with their eyes. Some cats love to chase the dot and, since these are motherless, they need some training in hunting. Like it or not, they may return to a barn and need skills there that house cats don't use. If the male has been neutered at such a young age he will have a particularly rough time. PS: You are doing great. The ones who have come to live with me were grown and feral. I've worked with a lot of semi-ferals and throw-aways. It is difficult but extremely rewarding. Again, check with with Dr. Maier for really good ideas. She does a lot of this work and you already know her. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens They are actually doing really well so far. I have one sitting in my lap right now napping, but when I starting typing on the keyboard, she woke up a little and just follows the cursor with her eyes! But no freak-out or anything. I also discovered the other night that they will nap while I hold all 3 of them together wrapped in a blanket- the kitty burrito- while I work on the computer. They love to watch the cursor being moved by the mouse! I would say at this point they are tamer than ferals and I guess that is why I used the term socialization. Tonight, I've had two of them lick turkey baby food off my finger-- they are such suckers for food- little fatties, so I think that is huge! And the black one, whom I have never heard meow- only hiss at me- meowed at me tonight AFTER I PUT IT BACK IN THE CAT CONDO! Looked right at me and meowed... a bunch of times. So I gave him more baby food- which he ate. On that note, I was told many times by the initial rescuer of these kittens that they are all females. The vet clinic that did their fvrcps, wormings, etc., marked them as all females. I thought all got spayed yesterday. But since I have had them, I kept calling the black one him and he and bud and lil guy and had to correct myself a lot. Well, apparently not b/c I was right. I am one of those people who just gets a sense of sex with cats- even teeny kittens- right away and I am usually never wrong. So that is why this bothered me so much that I was told they were all girls b/c I just didn't get that from the black one. But I went ahead and named them b/c I thought, well the 1st vet clinic said they were all girls But when I went to check the black one's sutures tonight, the belly wasn't shaved and I was like what the H? Low and behold, we have teeny little balls that were removed! I was so happy-- mostly just to know that I was right GD it! But I wish I hadn't named them. I had named them: Ladee (sounds like Lady)- grey white; Babee baby- all grey; and Sadee Sadie- my black one! The double ee's are in honor of Monkee of course. I thought those were about the cutest names ever and Sadee was my favorite. I thought they would be fun to market with those names! Oh well, back to the drawing board. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: socializing barn kittens Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:48 -0600 When you stare at them you are challenging them. I know it is fun but you need to look at them thru almost closed eyes. You are threatening to them. I found out the hard way. I thought you could stare down a cat like you can some dogs. NOPE. They are CAT. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
