Re: Brumley is gone
I'm so sorry Caroline. :(
tonya
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Hello all. Sadly I have to report that my sweet foster kitten Brumley is
gone. I know that so many of you championed his cause and helped me with his
very intensive care that started the minute I took him home from the condo at
the store on Dec. 22. I so wanted him to be a success story and in a way, he
was. His story was about not giving up, even in the face of impossible odds
and other vets writing him off as having FIP and then not wanting to continue
forward with alleviating the pain his affected eye was causing him. But my mom
and I kept going and by the time we got to our 5th vet, we found someone who
was willing to keep working on Brumley and in the meantime, alleviate the pain
his eye was causing him- which he did and Brumley's quality of life increased
and I thought he might make it. He didn't stop eating and drinking until the
18th of Jan. and that is also when he became ataxic. But he never stopped
interacting with his environment and doing the small
little things that he wanted to do- like continue to walk around, even tho he
fell sometimes- that never stopped him, hang out with the dog whom- he loved,
sniff things, curl up on me and purr, bird watch, family wathc, and try to eat
soil from the plant, etc. He never stopped purring either until the very end.
I was worried that with Brumley I wouldn't know when it was time. And his vet
even said to me about 5 different times that he would drag his feet on this
one because he loved Brumley's grey and white coloring and the way Brum was
such a trooper and would just not give up at all! So I worried that if the vet
drags his feet, and I drag my feet, will we keep a cat going who is suffering?
But that didn't happen. I don't believe Brum suffered much, if at all. He was
perky last night and purring away in a cat box he found the other night- after
somehow making it all the way up the steps to the housecats room and climbing
in it! He had started to fight me a lot with syringe feeding (which I have
done since Jan. 19th) and the subqu fluids- also since the 19th. So I was
concerned that the fighting- which he had never done before- was either a good
or bad sign. But he was fine last night- he got his two prednisones and it was
my typical evening of treating, medicating,
feeding, and babying The Brum. But this morning, he was not standing up in
his crate and looking around and meowing- which had become his usual morning
routine. He was laying flat and my mom thought he had already passed. His
little front paws were gripping the crate and I had to pry them off- he was
obviously in respiratory distress- as this is my 3 time since Monkee died in my
arms in July to see this, so I know the signs b/c I live in fear of them. He
was craning his neck like he was trying to breathe and his breathing was rapid.
So I threw on clothes and we rushed him out to the emergency clinic- the same
one that also took my Possum on the 22 of Jan. Brumley's regular vet wasn't in
until 9 today and he had surgeries scheduled, so we couldn't go there. Which I
think is good b/c when I saw his vet, I would have started balling instead of
being composed and I just think it would have been a mess for both me and him
b/c he really liked this cat.
The emergency vet said it was grave. Clinically, he was dehydrated (despite my
2x day fluid treatments), his liver was failing, she suspected kidneys were
next, she found granulomas throughout his body (other places besides the eye),
his temp was down again to 94, and she strongly suspected brain damage. She
said he was definitely dying and whether it was dry FIP, Toxo (which she
doubted), or she proposed a very severe fungal infection-- either way, none of
it was reversible and everything that could be done for the cat had been done.
It was definitely time. Which I already knew when I decided to take him out
there. I was with him. Brumley was so bad off that the ER vet couldn't get a
vein, couldn't get the juglar and had already decided to euthanize with a shot
to the heart. He was even less alert than Possum was when we did this with
him, so it was definitely the right time- he just crashed so fast and so hard
in light of how he was last night. Since the shot went
to the heart, Brumley left this world very quickly. The vet gave me a hug and
told me I did a good job.
Honestly, I am exhausted. I have been doing very intensive care on Brumley and
it has taken up all of my mornings and my entire evening. I would get up, take
care of Brum, go to work, come home, take care of Brum, go to bed, and it would
start again the next day. So mentally and physically, I am just worn out. But
I know that- especially being a foster cat- Brumley got more care and
Re: for Lynne - good stories
Lynne I think you are awesome to offer to take the kitty that was just diagnosed felv+.I had a beautiful girl named Maizee Grace that battled 7 months.She went through chemo and all as a trooper.she didnt win the battle but I learned so much from my baby girl and now volunteer at a cat sanctuary for felv and fiv cats.I only adopt from there now.I did bring home another beaitiful baby girl Genevieve she lost her battle after being home with me for 4 1/2 months.But She lived at the sanctuary for over a year before that.When I had Maizee I did not have these wonderful people on the list to come to.But I found them afterwards and they helped me get through my grieving of Maizee and now all the losses I experience from volunteering.Good luck with your wonderful BooBoo.Bless you!! Sherry Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, I think that's a wonderful idea. I was telling our vet about the good stories tonight and he was very interested. We've determined this is a really terrific guy we've found. He's attempting to adopt out a just diagnosed FelV cat because as he confided to us tonight, he just loves this cat and doesn't want to see her put down. Like I mentioned, if that is what the owners decide to do, we've told him we will take her. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories I've just printed out a bunch of copies of the good stories. I'm going to give them to my vet when I stop in to get DMG tomorrow. Vets should have hopeful stories to share with clients who were as devastated as we all were. Thanks again, Kerry. It was so good of you to put these together. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Thanks for adding the stories as I remember them when I joined many moons ago. It is refreshing to see this again. Still say that when the cure or vaccine to help the kitties I will eat a piece of Cheesecake as part of celebrating. (I can't stand the stuff...yuck) But will do it for the ones we have lost and for the current ones battling this horrible disease. The day will come when a cure will happen but not soon enough for me. Bless all of you of caring and loving your Felv kitties! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Melina
I just wanted to report to you all about beautiful little Melina.s you know she just lost her brother Mysterio.Well last night I was at Sids and that precious baby is doing just great!! I watched her playing with a ball and just welled up with tears.That baby won my heart the second that I laid eyes on her.Thank you all for the good thoughts on her. Sherry - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: for Lynne - good stories
This may be very true Jane. On the other hand it has crossed my mind that I personally am being taught some kind of lesson about the need to be sad. My mom passed away last year after a horrible 5 years of Alzheimer's. The final two years she was in a nursing home and the deterioration over that period of time was dramatic, to the point that one day when I went to visit her I walked right past her because she looked nothing like my mom. The night she died, my sister, brother and I stayed until her last breath. My siblings broke down crying but not me. I believe I made a sigh of relief and I have never shed a tear over her passing. I think it's because I had to be responsible for her care and I know I did all I could. The other two did little for her. I hope that when BooBoo's time comes I can let go as easily as I did with my mom but I doubt it. With these little guys we have to make the decisions about when they go. I won't let him suffer but it will be hard. We held our big Chuckie when he had to be euthanized, drove him home in the middle of the night and buried him in the pouring rain. That was 20 years ago and I still choke up when I think of him. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories Great Lynne ...that would be wonderful. You've found a good vet! Not too long ago, when I was as 'shell shocked' as you are now, a woman (Nina) who was on this list told me that it is her belief that these Felv kitties are often 'sent' to us to teach us how to let go of our fear of loss, and how to live as they do, in the moment. I've found it to be so true. I hope with some time, you'll feel that way about BooBoo. It will get better. 0It sounds as though you and your husband are going to give him every thing you can to fight this battle. He's so lucky to have found you. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Lynne wrote: Jane, I think that's a wonderful idea. I was telling our vet about the good stories tonight and he was very interested. We've determined this is a really terrific guy we've found. He's attempting to adopt out a just diagnosed FelV cat because as he confided to us tonight, he just loves this cat and doesn't want to see her put down. Like I mentioned, if that is what the owners decide to do, we've told him we will take her. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories I've just printed out a bunch of copies of the good stories. I'm going to give them to my vet when I stop in to get DMG tomorrow. Vets should have hopeful stories to share with clients who were as devastated as we all were. Thanks again, Kerry. It was so good of you to put these together. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Thanks for adding the stories as I remember them when I joined many moons ago. It is refreshing to see this again. Still say that when the cure or vaccine to help the kitties I will eat a piece of Cheesecake as part of celebrating. (I can't stand the stuff...yuck) But will do it for the ones we have lost and for the current ones battling this horrible disease. The day will come when a cure will happen but not soon enough for me. Bless all of you of caring and loving your Felv kitties! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there.
RE: for Lynne - good stories
What a fabulous idea Jane! I'll do the same for my vet. I think he'd appreciate that. Thanks for the idea! Kerryx _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories I've just printed out a bunch of copies of the good stories. I'm going to give them to my vet when I stop in to get DMG tomorrow. Vets should have hopeful stories to share with clients who were as devastated as we all were. Thanks again, Kerry. It was so good of you to put these together. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Thanks for adding the stories as I remember them when I joined many moons ago. It is refreshing to see this again. Still say that when the cure or vaccine to help the kitties I will eat a piece of Cheesecake as part of celebrating. (I can't stand the stuff...yuck) But will do it for the ones we have lost and for the current ones battling this horrible disease. The day will come when a cure will happen but not soon enough for me. Bless all of you of caring and loving your Felv kitties! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ _ The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565 _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Melina
That's good news, Sherry. Big vibes for a long, happy life for Melina. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:05 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: Melina I just wanted to report to you all about beautiful little Melina.s you know she just lost her brother Mysterio.Well last night I was at Sids and that precious baby is doing just great!! I watched her playing with a ball and just welled up with tears.That baby won my heart the second that I laid eyes on her.Thank you all for the good thoughts on her. Sherry Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Melina
Awww Sherry, that's wonderful to hear Melina is doing so well. Thanks for letting us know. hugs, Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:05 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: Melina I just wanted to report to you all about beautiful little Melina.s you know she just lost her brother Mysterio.Well last night I was at Sids and that precious baby is doing just great!! I watched her playing with a ball and just welled up with tears.That baby won my heart the second that I laid eyes on her.Thank you all for the good thoughts on her. Sherry _ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: for Lynne - good stories
It's clear you were the best daughter any mother could hope to have, Lynne. I'm so sorry for the pain that you and your mother went through. Life can be so hard, and so very hard to make sense of, especially when our loved ones suffer so terribly. I understand what you're saying about knowing you did all you could. That's the way I feel about my dad who passed away last April after a long and brave struggle with cancer. I also was with him when he drew his last breath, and his death had a profound effect on memade me realize even more the importance of making the most of each and every day---what's that saying? Live as though your days are numbered--because they are! Whenever my first cat, Katyis, comes to me for a cuddle when I'm busy in the kitchen---as is his habit!---I put aside what I'm doing and we have our cuddle. I don't want to look back on our time together when he's gone, and regret missed opportunities. I think I will feel about my Katyis the way you feel about your Chuckie. Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories This may be very true Jane. On the other hand it has crossed my mind that I personally am being taught some kind of lesson about the need to be sad. My mom passed away last year after a horrible 5 years of Alzheimer's. The final two years she was in a nursing home and the deterioration over that period of time was dramatic, to the point that one day when I went to visit her I walked right past her because she looked nothing like my mom. The night she died, my sister, brother and I stayed until her last breath. My siblings broke down crying but not me. I believe I made a sigh of relief and I have never shed a tear over her passing. I think it's because I had to be responsible for her care and I know I did all I could. The other two did little for her. I hope that when BooBoo's time comes I can let go as easily as I did with my mom but I doubt it. With these little guys we have to make the decisions about when they go. I won't let him suffer but it will be hard. We held our big Chuckie when he had to be euthanized, drove him home in the middle of the night and buried him in the pouring rain. That was 20 years ago and I still choke up when I think of him. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories Great Lynne ...that would be wonderful. You've found a good vet! Not too long ago, when I was as 'shell shocked' as you are now, a woman (Nina) who was on this list told me that it is her belief that these Felv kitties are often 'sent' to us to teach us how to let go of our fear of loss, and how to live as they do, in the moment. I've found it to be so true. I hope with some time, you'll feel that way about BooBoo. It will get better. 0It sounds as though you and your husband are going to give him every thing you can to fight this battle. He's so lucky to have found you. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Lynne wrote: Jane, I think that's a wonderful idea. I was telling our vet about the good stories tonight and he was very interested. We've determined this is a really terrific guy we've found. He's attempting to adopt out a just diagnosed FelV cat because as he confided to us tonight, he just loves this cat and doesn't want to see her put down. Like I mentioned, if that is what the owners decide to do, we've told him we will take her. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories I've just printed out a bunch of copies of the good stories. I'm going to give them to my vet when I stop in to get DMG tomorrow. Vets should have hopeful stories to share with clients who were as devastated as we all were. Thanks again, Kerry. It was so good of you to put these together. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Thanks for adding the stories as I remember them when I joined many moons ago. It is refreshing to see this again.
Re: for Lynne - good stories
I hear 'on the other hand' very clearly Lynne and you are so right. I suppose the only generalization to be made is that we care for these kitties deeply and they teach us what we need to know. I am sure the recent loss of your mother and the devastation of battling Alzheimer's has left you raw. I am very sorry. Jane On Feb 15, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Lynne wrote: This may be very true Jane. On the other hand it has crossed my mind that I personally am being taught some kind of lesson about the need to be sad. My mom passed away last year after a horrible 5 years of Alzheimer's. The final two years she was in a nursing home and the deterioration over that period of time was dramatic, to the point that one day when I went to visit her I walked right past her because she looked nothing like my mom. The night she died, my sister, brother and I stayed until her last breath. My siblings broke down crying but not me. I believe I made a sigh of relief and I have never shed a tear over her passing. I think it's because I had to be responsible for her care and I know I did all I could. The other two did little for her. I hope that when BooBoo's time comes I can let go as easily as I did with my mom but I doubt it. With these little guys we have to make the decisions about when they go. I won't let him suffer but it will be hard. We held our big Chuckie when he had to be euthanized, drove him home in the middle of the night and buried him in the pouring rain. That was 20 years ago and I still choke up when I think of him. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories Great Lynne ...that would be wonderful. You've found a good vet! Not too long ago, when I was as 'shell shocked' as you are now, a woman (Nina) who was on this list told me that it is her belief that these Felv kitties are often 'sent' to us to teach us how to let go of our fear of loss, and how to live as they do, in the moment. I've found it to be so true. I hope with some time, you'll feel that way about BooBoo. It will get better. 0It sounds as though you and your husband are going to give him every thing you can to fight this battle. He's so lucky to have found you. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Lynne wrote: Jane, I think that's a wonderful idea. I was telling our vet about the good stories tonight and he was very interested. We've determined this is a really terrific guy we've found. He's attempting to adopt out a just diagnosed FelV cat because as he confided to us tonight, he just loves this cat and doesn't want to see her put down. Like I mentioned, if that is what the owners decide to do, we've told him we will take her. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories I've just printed out a bunch of copies of the good stories. I'm going to give them to my vet when I stop in to get DMG tomorrow. Vets should have hopeful stories to share with clients who were as devastated as we all were. Thanks again, Kerry. It was so good of you to put these together. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Thanks for adding the stories as I remember them when I joined many moons ago. It is refreshing to see this again. Still say that when the cure or vaccine to help the kitties I will eat a piece of Cheesecake as part of celebrating. (I can't stand the stuff...yuck) But will do it for the ones we have lost and for the current ones battling this horrible disease. The day will come when a cure will happen but not soon enough for me. Bless all of you of caring and loving your Felv kitties! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there.
RE: coughing
Your email made me chuckle Laurie! My Tiger does that--throws up after eating. He does gobble--basically his goal is to eat EVERYONE'S food. I've had to separate the dishes. I think it's comfort eating, for him. (He's also a wool-sucker.) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: coughing Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!) will occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He does this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal volume of food. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: for Lynne - good stories
Lynne, I don't think you're alone in reacting the way you did at your mom's death. I'm sorry that she, and you, had to go through 5 years of that kind of hell. My mother died a few years ago, after 3 years in a nursing home, and at the end was so far from what she had been a few years before that we were probably both relieved. When the first cat I owned by myself, Saavik, died, I was sad but also a little relieved, since I had been worried, as she aged, about losing her and then it happened (acute renal failure, so not a lot of warning) and I cried, a lot (and still do sometimes when I think of her), but that part of it was over and I'd lived through it. My other cat was quite a bit younger, so I knew that barring calamity I wouldn't have to worry about THAT for a while again, and it was a relief. Now HE's getting up there, and there have been others in between, and it turns out you do get past the sadness. The same wonderful woman that Jane mentions, Nina, also brought me to this list with my stray Patches, and had a lot of wise words for me all through our ordeal together, which was actually only a matter of weeks. The circumstances of Patches' entering the lives of me and my housemate Gail were so odd that I do tend to believe Nina when she told me he'd been sent to us. It was 3 a.m. on the Sunday before July 4, which was on a Tuesday that year. I just happened to be awake at that outlandish hour, and noticed one of my cats howling at something outside. I went to the enclosed porch to investigate, and there was this big disheveled boy demanding attention! So we brought him in, and got him cleaned up and de-matted -- he had mats so huge they were like big angel wings, and must have been hurting him terribly. I think now that he came to us because we would clean him up, make him comfortable and love him for the little time it turned out he had. I don't think we'd have been great FeLV mommies in the long run -- with the supplements and the vet visits and the top-of-line food, and we had 4 other cats we'd have had to have vaccinated regularly and our resources are okay but not endless -- but he didn't need us in the long run. We beat ourselves up considerably that we weren't able to save him by the sheer force of our will, but possibly that was Patches' lesson to us, that you can't, always. ;-) Diane From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories This may be very true Jane. On the other hand it has crossed my mind that I personally am being taught some kind of lesson about the need to be sad. My mom passed away last year after a horrible 5 years of Alzheimer's. The final two years she was in a nursing home and the deterioration over that period of time was dramatic, to the point that one day when I went to visit her I walked right past her because she looked nothing like my mom. The night she died, my sister, brother and I stayed until her last breath. My siblings broke down crying but not me. I believe I made a sigh of relief and I have never shed a tear over her passing. I think it's because I had to be responsible for her care and I know I did all I could. The other two did little for her. I hope that when BooBoo's time comes I can let go as easily as I did with my mom but I doubt it. With these little guys we have to make the decisions about when they go. I won't let him suffer but it will be hard. We held our big Chuckie when he had to be euthanized, drove him home in the middle of the night and buried him in the pouring rain. That was 20 years ago and I still choke up when I think of him. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories Great Lynne ...that would be wonderful. You've found a good vet! Not too long ago, when I was as 'shell shocked' as you are now, a woman (Nina) who was on this list told me that it is her belief that these Felv kitties are often 'sent' to us to teach us how to let go of our fear of loss, and how to live as they do, in the moment. I've found it to be so true. I hope with some time, you'll feel that way about BooBoo. It will get better. 0It sounds as though you and your husband are going to give him every thing you can to fight this battle. He's so lucky to have found you. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Lynne wrote: Jane, I think that's a wonderful idea. I was telling our vet about the good stories tonight and he was very interested. We've determined this is a really terrific guy we've found. He's attempting to adopt out a just diagnosed FelV cat because as he confided to us
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I wonder if you could get sheep or goat's milk and make your own yogurt. I had a yogurt maker at one time but donated it. It seemed easy enough to make though, I just had no reason to make any. On 2/15/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he doesn't eat it immediately let it warm (naturally) to room temperature then put a small amount on a paw...don't force it into his mouth. Dixie prefers sheep or goat yogurt but it is difficult to get here. I don't know what options you have. On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Lynne wrote: OK, gonna get some yogurt. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: the good stories Have his throat and teeth checked. And try a good, organic yogurtfull fat, plain. Dixie had some gum/teeth issues that have cleared up.the doxy should help if that is an issue. On Feb 14, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Lynne wrote: Diane, my husband slightly warms his food since it's kept in the fridge. I know how important it is for him to eat. I've warned him he'll have a feeding tube put in if he doesn't smarten up. To make it worse, he only wants my husband or Mister to feed him. Boo and I will be sitting on the bed and if he hears one sound downstairs he stands, does his strange little meow and waits for Bob to come up. He wants food but then won't eat it. Maybe the vet has some experience with picky cats. Lynne - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: RE: the good stories I'm glad your vet is flexible and willing to help. If BooBoo's snifflies can get cleared up, I know his appetite will improve. They don't want stuff they can't smell. Have you tried heating his food so it's stinkier? You may run out of the kitchen gagging, but he'll think it's great. As I'm sure you know, making sure kitties keep eating, no matter what their FeLV status, is paramount. We've been through 3 separate instances of fatty liver disease, which is the end result of insufficient eating, and I can tell you we are ever-vigilant to make sure everybody is eating. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: the good stories Thank you all for sharing these uplifting stories. I'm tempted to print them out and show to my vet. I called his office this morning and asked the assistant if I could possibly fax a list of questions and suggestions regarding BooBoo's care and then come in to talk to him. Well he called me back at work and thanked me for doing that and even mentioned how intelligent and informed I was. I told him I had been doing a lot of reading and all these suggestions came from this group. I thought he might laugh at it but he was very impressed. He is totally in agreement about the course of Doxycycline and said tonight we'd sit down and discuss the use of Interferon. I know it is going to cost us a fortune, everything does over here, but just by chance my dad gave me a thousand dollars for my birthday so that will certainly help. He did mention that they do transfuse animals but the same problem would surface in time and it can be dangerous anyway. Not even going to consider that one. So that's where we stand. He needs to be checked tonight for his breathing and runny nose and come up with some way to get him to eat more. Nothing I've offered him seems to meet his approval. Talk to you all later. LynneThis electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
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Sure you can. Just google for the details. On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I wonder if you could get sheep or goat's milk and make your own yogurt. I had a yogurt maker at one time but donated it. It seemed easy enough to make though, I just had no reason to make any. On 2/15/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he doesn't eat it immediately let it warm (naturally) to room temperature then put a small amount on a paw...don't force it into his mouth. Dixie prefers sheep or goat yogurt but it is difficult to get here. I don't know what options you have. On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Lynne wrote: OK, gonna get some yogurt. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: the good stories Have his throat and teeth checked. And try a good, organic yogurtfull fat, plain. Dixie had some gum/teeth issues that have cleared up.the doxy should help if that is an issue. On Feb 14, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Lynne wrote: Diane, my husband slightly warms his food since it's kept in the fridge. I know how important it is for him to eat. I've warned him he'll have a feeding tube put in if he doesn't smarten up. To make it worse, he only wants my husband or Mister to feed him. Boo and I will be sitting on the bed and if he hears one sound downstairs he stands, does his strange little meow and waits for Bob to come up. He wants food but then won't eat it. Maybe the vet has some experience with picky cats. Lynne - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: RE: the good stories I'm glad your vet is flexible and willing to help. If BooBoo's snifflies can get cleared up, I know his appetite will improve. They don't want stuff they can't smell. Have you tried heating his food so it's stinkier? You may run out of the kitchen gagging, but he'll think it's great. As I'm sure you know, making sure kitties keep eating, no matter what their FeLV status, is paramount. We've been through 3 separate instances of fatty liver disease, which is the end result of insufficient eating, and I can tell you we are ever-vigilant to make sure everybody is eating. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: the good stories Thank you all for sharing these uplifting stories. I'm tempted to print them out and show to my vet. I called his office this morning and asked the assistant if I could possibly fax a list of questions and suggestions regarding BooBoo's care and then come in to talk to him. Well he called me back at work and thanked me for doing that and even mentioned how intelligent and informed I was. I told him I had been doing a lot of reading and all these suggestions came from this group. I thought he might laugh at it but he was very impressed. He is totally in agreement about the course of Doxycycline and said tonight we'd sit down and discuss the use of Interferon. I know it is going to cost us a fortune, everything does over here, but just by chance my dad gave me a thousand dollars for my birthday so that will certainly help. He did mention that they do transfuse animals but the same problem would surface in time and it can be dangerous anyway. Not even going to consider that one. So that's where we stand. He needs to be checked tonight for his breathing and runny nose and come up with some way to get him to eat more. Nothing I've offered him seems to meet his approval. Talk to you all later. LynneThis electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
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Kerry, Winston chews on cotton and licks my clothes (esp the underarms). Goofy kitties provide us lots of laughs! L - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: RE: coughing Your email made me chuckle Laurie! My Tiger does that--throws up after eating. He does gobble--basically his goal is to eat EVERYONE'S food. I've had to separate the dishes. I think it's comfort eating, for him. (He's also a wool-sucker.) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: coughing Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!) will occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He does this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal volume of food. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: for Lynne - good stories
Kerry, I do the same thing with Lennie, give him the time he demands. I'll be reading the paper and suddenly he wants to sleep on my lap. I think I can count the times he's sat on me during his 19 years. He's a guys cat. Always preferred my son, then when he moved away, my husband. I would try to coax him onto my lap but the little creep would jump up on the couch, walk toward me, put his two front paws on my lap, turn around and sit on Bob. Suddenly he likes my lap when I'm busy. But I indulge him. He won't be around all that much longer. BooBoo is becoming the same type of guy. Although he sleeps beside me on the bed, if he hears Bob downstairs he runs to the end of the bed waiting for him to come up. In the morning he walks up to his face and blats in it because he wants Bob to feed him, not me. Strange little guys. Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: RE: for Lynne - good stories It's clear you were the best daughter any mother could hope to have, Lynne. I'm so sorry for the pain that you and your mother went through. Life can be so hard, and so very hard to make sense of, especially when our loved ones suffer so terribly. I understand what you're saying about knowing you did all you could. That's the way I feel about my dad who passed away last April after a long and brave struggle with cancer. I also was with him when he drew his last breath, and his death had a profound effect on memade me realize even more the importance of making the most of each and every day---what's that saying? Live as though your days are numbered--because they are! Whenever my first cat, Katyis, comes to me for a cuddle when I'm busy in the kitchen---as is his habit!---I put aside what I'm doing and we have our cuddle. I don't want to look back on our time together when he's gone, and regret missed opportunities. I think I will feel about my Katyis the way you feel about your Chuckie. Kerry -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories This may be very true Jane. On the other hand it has crossed my mind that I personally am being taught some kind of lesson about the need to be sad. My mom passed away last year after a horrible 5 years of Alzheimer's. The final two years she was in a nursing home and the deterioration over that period of time was dramatic, to the point that one day when I went to visit her I walked right past her because she looked nothing like my mom. The night she died, my sister, brother and I stayed until her last breath. My siblings broke down crying but not me. I believe I made a sigh of relief and I have never shed a tear over her passing. I think it's because I had to be responsible for her care and I know I did all I could. The other two did little for her. I hope that when BooBoo's time comes I can let go as easily as I did with my mom but I doubt it. With these little guys we have to make the decisions about when they go. I won't let him suffer but it will be hard. We held our big Chuckie when he had to be euthanized, drove him home in the middle of the night and buried him in the pouring rain. That was 20 years ago and I still choke up when I think of him. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: for Lynne - good stories Great Lynne ...that would be wonderful. You've found a good vet! Not too long ago, when I was as 'shell shocked' as you are now, a woman (Nina) who was on this list told me that it is her belief that these Felv kitties are often 'sent' to us to teach us how to let go of our fear of loss, and how to live as they do, in the moment. I've found it to be so true. I hope with some time, you'll feel that way about BooBoo. It will get better. 0It sounds as though you and your husband are going to give him every thing you can to fight this battle. He's so lucky to have found you. Jane On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Lynne wrote: Jane, I think that's a wonderful idea. I was telling our vet about the good stories tonight and he was very interested. We've determined this is a really terrific guy we've found. He's attempting to adopt out a just diagnosed FelV cat because as he confided to us tonight, he just loves this cat and doesn't want to see her put down. Like I mentioned, if that is what the owners decide to do, we've told him we will take her. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday,
