Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
Hi, We've had several FIV cats and they've all lived well into their teens. We didn't even start to see any health problems until they were older. One of our FIV cats is about 15 and she has only ever been to the vet for routine things. The one thing I would suggest is that you feed a really good quality diet and also that you get regular teeth cleanings. FIV cats tend to have teeth problems. Michele -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10 months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have FIV. Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P. gary wrote: OK, here we go. The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who test positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of age. For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affected by the age of the kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it can take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. The vet is just trying to avoid a false negative. Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An article in Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common. http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml They don't reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place if you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already have it, or do you snatch them away as soon as they are born so they don't get it from milk or grooming? Hope that helps. Gary - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong: there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above then say 3 months is the best age? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
I was afraid it sounded like anemia. Did she test him for hemobart? Did she say it was truly nonregenerative?? tonya Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
Any cat can be anemic. It's just much more serious for felv cats because it is often nonregenerative. In my opinion IF I could afford it, and IF your cat handles the stress of the vet ok, I would get the transfusion and see a specialist. Buy some time, in other words. tonya Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please forgive my ignorance, but I thought it was just something that happens with FeLV+ kitties. Isn't the FeLV the reason? Sue Belinda Sauro wrote: = Did she bother to find out why his HCT was 8 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com Prepaid Legal Services ID Theft Protection http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/bisauro HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
I don't know why. I think most people just wait on both tests (at shelters) until the kittens are old enough to combo test. I think you could give the leukemia test at any age. Honestly, if I were taking in a new cat I would not even test it as a requisite to taking it in at this point. t MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong: there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above then say 3 months is the best age? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
there are MANY MANY things about FIV that make it better than having FeLV--join the yahoogroup FIVCats2 for accurate info. MC On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:20 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin, Time now for a Western Blot test, that is the confirmation test for FIV. If you want to discuss FIV and what to so with this kitty, contact, me off list and we can talk about it. There are some things about it that make it better than the kitty having FeLV. Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens We have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10 months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have FIV. Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P. gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here we go. The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who test positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of age. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
still seems like it doesn't make sense--i know better than most that it takes an adult cat 90 to 120 days to develop antigens after exposure, so why then do so many articles say that you can test kittens at any age? why not just SAY that a test result isn't valid in kittens before then? seems to me that this is another one of those, we really don't know, so each of us will make it up as we go along, situations. I WANT ONE ANSWER, darn it! i don't care what it is, i just want one that everyone can agree upon, is that really too much to ask? (yeah, that was a rhetorical question.) and unfortunately, not enough vets seem to know that FIV kittens will show their mom's antibodies, and, subsequently, fewer shelters and rescues do. in EITHER case, a single test should never be taken as definitive--and all the major vet schools, and professional associations and literature have said so for years. hasn't made a whole lot of difference. thanks for the link to the shelter med article, tho, as it confirms some of what i'd been seeing the journals, that transplacental transmission was no longer being considered the main vector. hopefully, i'll be able to find those links again. (i have everything saved--it's just finding it again that can be problematical... ) MC On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:54 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here we go. The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who test positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of age. For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affected by the age of the kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it can take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. The vet is just trying to avoid a false negative. Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An article in Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common. http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml They don't reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place if you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already have it, or do you snatch them away as soon as they are born so they don't get it from milk or grooming? Hope that helps. Gary - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong: there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above then say 3 months is the best age? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
I would just keep doing whatever you're doing. Having fiv is one of the 'best' things to have if you have to have a health problem and you're a cat. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10 months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have FIV. Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P. gary wrote: OK, here we go. The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who test positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of age. For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affected by the age of the kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it can take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. The vet is just trying to avoid a false negative. Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An article in Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common. http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml They don't reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place if you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already have it, or do you snatch them away as soon as they are born so they don't get it from milk or grooming? Hope that helps. Gary - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong: there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above then say 3 months is the best age? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
Michele (and others)...not being sarcastic...I really need to know!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:23:16 +Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens Hi, We've had several FIV cats and they've all lived well into their teens. We didn't even start to see any health problems until they were older. One of our FIV cats is about 15 and she has only ever been to the vet for routine things. The one thing I would suggest is that you feed a really good quality diet and also that you get regular teeth cleanings. FIV cats tend to have teeth problems. Michele -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10 months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have FIV. Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P. gary wrote: OK, here we go. The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who test positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of age. For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affect ed by the age of the kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it can take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. The vet is just trying to avoid a false negative. Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An article in Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common. http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml They don't reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place if you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already have it, or do you snatch them away as soon as they ar e born so they don't get it from milk or grooming? Hope that helps. Gary - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong: there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above then say 3 months is the best age? ; ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
well...that went poorly...I was asking what constitutes a good diet for cats these days...please.Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:39:29 +0500Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens Michele (and others)...not being sarcastic...I really need to know!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:23:16 +Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens Hi, We've had several FIV cats and they've all lived well into their teens. We didn't even start to see any health problems until they were older. One of our FIV cats is about 15 and she has only ever been to the vet for routine things. The one thing I would suggest is that you feed a really good quality diet and also that you get regular teeth cleanings. FIV cats tend to have teeth problems. Michele -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10 months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have FIV. Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P. gary wrote: OK, here we go. The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who test positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of age. For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affect ed by the age of the kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it can take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. The vet is just trying to avoid a false negative. Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An article in Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common. http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml They don't reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place if you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already have it, or do you snatch them away as soon as they ar e born so they don't get it from milk or grooming? Hope that helps. Gary - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong: there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above then say 3 months is the best age? ; ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)
Hey Tonya, I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December. Instead of trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal Tapazole/Methimazole. I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and have great service and customer service. The transdermal can be rubbed into the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill! You will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never completely cured. The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, slowing it down. I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a lot there. One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds. Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 2.5 mg 2x daily. The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out of the system after about 12 hours. The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment. It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. you have the treatment done in. It's a cure, when it works, which is often. It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone. Had I had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment. Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing with CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the case, you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully treat the hyperT, as the kidney's act up. If Shaft does have CRF after you get him regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing with Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks after meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must. The hyperT Yahoo group is great. Also, heart murmur is often caused by overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated with meds. Hope this helps Shaft! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:26:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Funny you say this about the gerber (or BeechNut) baby food. Chicken and gravy was Julie's favorite, and when she would not eat anything else, she scarfed this stuff down!!! It saved her life several times when she stopped eating and towards the end of her life, she lived on it, plus boiled chicken and chicken broth. Make sure whatever baby food you buy does not contain garlic or onions. I think tomatoes are also linked to anemia in cats, but not sure on this. Pepcid (original) was also a life-saver for her a few times when she stopped eating when her stomach acted up. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:54:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Tonya, I don't belong to this group. It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group. Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211 Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets. Most vets carry them. Pets Mart may as well. Mine caught on the 2nd dose and now avoid them like the plague. Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill her. But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food. I crush her meds, dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers. She laps it right up. Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated. If Pill Pockets don't work try the baby food. Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't have onions or garlic in it. Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
P.S. Julie also loved deli meat!!! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:49:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Funny you say this about the gerber (or BeechNut) baby food. Chicken and gravy was Julie's favorite, and when she would not eat anything else, she scarfed this stuff down!!! It saved her life several times when she stopped eating and towards the end of her life, she lived on it, plus boiled chicken and chicken broth. Make sure whatever baby food you buy does not contain garlic or onions. I think tomatoes are also linked to anemia in cats, but not sure on this. Pepcid (original) was also a life-saver for her a few times when she stopped eating when her stomach acted up. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:54:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Tonya, I don't belong to this group. It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group. Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211 Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets. Most vets carry them. Pets Mart may as well. Mine caught on the 2nd dose and now avoid them like the plague. Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill her. But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food. I crush her meds, dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers. She laps it right up. Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated. If Pill Pockets don't work try the baby food. Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't have onions or garlic in it. Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design
I second that!!! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:49:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design James and Belinda: you rock! :) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: James G Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:12:54 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design Hey all, I've finally gotten around to updating our FeLV website (with Belinda's help). You can check it out at: http://www.felineleukemia.org I hope that it is easier to read and loads a bit faster. If anyone wishes to help update the content of the site, please let me and/or Belinda know privately. Reluctantly, I've added a donations page to the site to help offset my out-of-pocket costs for maintaining the site. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
When Gus my SNAP tested once positive male, was not eating, just lying around, but no major signs of illness. I feed him Gerber meat baby food with KMR and lysine powder mixed in. He wolfed it down and got over what appears to have been a viral URI of a mild nature. He is now back to his old self, tearing up the newspaper lining his cage, vocalizing all the time. I think it was a combination of a mild viral URI and his being depressed about being in a cage for half a day. So when I was hand feeding him the baby food, he got the attention he was seeking, so I am still feeding him baby food with lysine mixed in. Sam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: list to Helene
Hi Helene! I am thinking you are the same Helene from the HyperT group? If so, hello and welcome! This is Wendy (Julie's mom) :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Helene R. Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:09:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] list I am making sure that I am on the list...although I don't correspond very much. Helene Hand ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Terrie Welcome to new members and saying Hello
Hey Terrie, Hope this email finds you well and your mother doing well also. I'm sorry to hear about her. This has been a tough year for a lot of us. I have done a horrible job of keeping up with the list due to all that's gone on in my life in the last year, and frankly, I'm just glad that I'm fixing to start a new one (years go August to July for us Edumacators...lol). I have missed seeing you here, as well as some of the other long-time members. Keep us posted on your mom, and prayers going out for her as well as you and your family. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:56:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Welcome to new members and saying Hello Hi all, Sorry I haven't posted much these days. I've been busy as hell in rescue. Cats/kittens are coming out of the woodwork! The fact my mother is dying as well. Doctors are only giving her 1-3 months to live. She is still young (66 will be 67 on August 2nd) If she hangs on we will be throwing a B-B-Q Birthday for her. She had us kids when she was young and still got her education as she promised my grandparents. My parents were in the military and retired Lab/Dog and Siamese Cat breeders. They were respected and recognized in WA. state. We traveled the world as youngsters as well. I'm 50 years old. I wanted to let those of you know I'm so sorry to hear of your precious kitties that have went to the bridge. The day will come when you will be together again. For you new members this is the best group of people to get support and knowledge from. They have helped me with my FELV kitties and Non-FELV kitties. Thank you to those that have decided to let their kitties live regardless of what their Vets have said. I have to tell you I have mix both Felv/Non-Felv kitties in my home. Nobody that was negative has died from FELV. They died of old age or other illnesses. I do get their vaccinations when needed. There are some that do separate the Felvs from the Non-Felvs on this group. Anyway enjoy your kitties. Many can live for years then others like my Taz didn't make it pass 2 years old. Good food and love is the key factor here. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE http://tazzys.org/ http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/ Terrie Mohr-Forker Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
Debbie, I don't mean to be sarcastic but it really depends on the issues the
cat has or doesn't have. For my CRF kitty I am looking for the lowest
phosphorus food she'll eat. Cats with sensitive systems really need grain free
foods.
For most cats a high quality canned food is usually best. High quality doesn't
necessarily mean highest price. You can go to www.petfooddirect.com and find
the ingredients for most canned and dry foods.
I avoid anything with garlic/onions or designer ingredients. Many companies
are adding ingredients that people take for various health issues without
testing to see the impact on cats. For this reason I avoid any food with
cranberries. I expect the 1st few ingredients to be a protein in the form of a
meat. I avoid any food where the first or second ingredient is a grain. Cats
are carnivores not herbivores.
All that said I feed my CRF kitty whatever she will eat. Today it was Fancy
Feast. Yesterday it was Friskies. She refuses to eat any of the renal diets
or any of the so called 'high quality' foods.
HTH
Sharyl
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From: Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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well...that went poorly...I was asking what constitutes a good diet for cats
these days...please.
Debbie (COL)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
my crf kitty, who was fed delicat from the time she was weaned at 4 weeks of age (i rescued her at years old), and REFUSED to eat anything other than that--she'd hold her nose and turn calico and BLUE before she'd eat anything else, WOULD eat a home-made ground turkey diet, with hard-boiled eggs for taurine, and brown rice to stretch it out (yeah, i know they don't NEED carbs) then she stopped eating that, too. now she gets whatever it is she'll eat--fancy feast, friskies, 9 lives--all meat ones, no fish. i've tried to have the, you have to eat well or you'll DIE, discussion with her, and she just gazes at me with her green eyes and says, mom, i'm going to die anyway, in my own time. you know that, i know that. give it a rest. calicos can be a REAL pain. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debbie, I don't mean to be sarcastic but it really depends on the issues the cat has or doesn't have. For my CRF kitty I am looking for the lowest phosphorus food she'll eat. Cats with sensitive systems really need grain free foods. For most cats a high quality canned food is usually best. High quality doesn't necessarily mean highest price. You can go to www.petfooddirect.com and find the ingredients for most canned and dry foods. I avoid anything with garlic/onions or designer ingredients. Many companies are adding ingredients that people take for various health issues without testing to see the impact on cats. For this reason I avoid any food with cranberries. I expect the 1st few ingredients to be a protein in the form of a meat. I avoid any food where the first or second ingredient is a grain. Cats are carnivores not herbivores. All that said I feed my CRF kitty whatever she will eat. Today it was Fancy Feast. Yesterday it was Friskies. She refuses to eat any of the renal diets or any of the so called 'high quality' foods. HTH Sharyl --- On *Sun, 7/27/08, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:41 PM well...that went poorly...I was asking what constitutes a good diet for cats these days...please. Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
