Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Please be careful of the soy.   That's how I killed that kitten.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for
> myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!
> Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and
> chicken.  So they eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.
>
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
>
> Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies
> very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but
> unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can
> give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who
> died).
>
> Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.
>
> I've already said what I think about dry food.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:
>
> My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD
> canned food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they
> ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now
> feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.
>  We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be
> part of the problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too
> much luck.  Right now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone
> loves them.  It recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are
> okay, but need to be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is
> stainless steel.  Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors
> without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the
> fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more
> water.  You might try them.
>
>
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
> > Hello All,
>
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
> dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
> present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
> Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
> couple of cans of wet.
>
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
> at the dry food and turned away.
>
>
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
> intake!
>
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
> what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
> feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
> tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
> Emma Beauchamp
>
>
>
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>
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save
> their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> 
>
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
> to free up cage space.
>
>
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> implementing the No Kill Equation:
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
>
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
> http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
>
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
>
> More fun reading:
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
>
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> http://vimeo.com/48445902
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Lee Evans]

There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself 
recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!  Since I'm a 
vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken.  So they eat 
my corn and tofu.  Weird world.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 

Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very 
well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the 
corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats 
Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who died).   

Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.

I've already said what I think about dry food.



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:

My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD canned 
food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, 
wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now feed Blue 
buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.  We hate chicken 
and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem.  I 
have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck.  Right now, Homey is 
okay.  I got water fountains and everyone loves them.  It recirculates the 
water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out 
more often.  I got one on line that is stainless steel.  Much better, lower 
profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to 
be cleaned as often.  With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes 
noise and they do drink more water.  You might try them.
>
>
>
> Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
>> Hello All,
>
>My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
>FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the 
>FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) 
>she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later 
>she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her 
>bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
>Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
>wet. 
>
>My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
>yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the 
>dry food and turned away. 
>
>
>After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
>in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!
>
>I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
>kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
>Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
>selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
>her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
>switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
>So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
>Emma Beauchamp
>
>
>
>
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If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies
very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but
unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can
give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who
died).

Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.

I've already said what I think about dry food.


On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:

> My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD
> canned food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they
> ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now
> feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.
>  We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be
> part of the problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too
> much luck.  Right now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone
> loves them.  It recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are
> okay, but need to be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is
> stainless steel.  Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors
> without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the
> fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more
> water.  You might try them.
>
>
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
> > Hello All,
>
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
> dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
> present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
> Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
> couple of cans of wet.
>
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
> at the dry food and turned away.
>
>
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
> intake!
>
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
> what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
> feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
> tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
> Emma Beauchamp
>
>
>
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Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Marcia Baronda]

I absolutely detest Science Diet.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
> with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do 
> the cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  
> Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the 
> fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through 
> the minds of cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.
> 
> 
>  
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> 
> 
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> 
> Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.
> 
> 
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote: 
> > Hello All,
> 
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite 
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday 
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars 
> later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in 
> her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
> Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
> wet.  
> 
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet 
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at 
> the dry food and turned away.  
> 
> 
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry 
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water 
> intake!
> 
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
> kind of food/diet did you switch to? 
> 
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
> her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
> switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 
> 
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 
> 
> Emma Beauchamp
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Marcia Baronda]

I would say any wet food and preferably without by products.  It may help to go 
to Tanya's CRF site and see what they recommend for wet food. My vet just gave 
me a free sample bag of Science diet kitten chow all the while telling me that 
cats are carnivores and need protein. Know what the 2nd ingredient is in that 
food? Whole corn! I guess my vet didn't read the ingredients.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
> with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do 
> the cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  
> Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the 
> fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through 
> the minds of cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.
> 
> 
>  
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> 
> 
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> 
> Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.
> 
> 
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote: 
> > Hello All,
> 
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite 
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday 
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars 
> later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in 
> her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
> Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
> wet.  
> 
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet 
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at 
> the dry food and turned away.  
> 
> 
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry 
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water 
> intake!
> 
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
> kind of food/diet did you switch to? 
> 
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
> her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
> switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 
> 
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 
> 
> Emma Beauchamp
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Emma Beauchamp]

Thanks for the link!





 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 

See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes, or you 
could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found on other 
sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat litterbox?).  I found 
that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity up, but feeding beef did.   
You'll have to look at the recipes for preground meat, to get the right amount 
of calcium, etc., in there.

Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's made 
of.



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp  wrote:

Hello All,
>
>
>My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
>FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the 
>FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) 
>she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later 
>she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her 
>bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
>Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
>wet.  
>
>My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
>yesterday,
 but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and 
turned away.  
>
>
>
>After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
>in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!
>
>I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
>kind of food/diet did you switch to? 
>
>Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
>selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
>her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
>switched to the Whiskas, and
 she seemed to like it more anyway! 
>
>So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 
>
>Emma Beauchamp
>
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If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Lee Evans]

Probably not a good suggestion.  Actually, only one of my cats liked it.  One 
Thanksgiving he got into the cranberry sauce and from then on, I would buy it 
for a treat for him but eventually, he got sick and tired of it and switched to 
asparagus and watermelon.  Go figure.  I loved that cat.  Wish he were still 
here today.


 
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too!





 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 
I tried cranberry and Homey ran every time she saw me with a glob of it on my 
finger.  Not a happy camper.
 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote: 
> Some say that has no effect, as cats don't metabolize fruit all that well.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:
> 
> > Would some type of cranberry extract help, maybe mixed with the recipe
> > mentioned?  Holistic methods of UTI in humans uses cranberry juice, extract
> > and capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation.  Not sure
> > cats and cranberries would get along very well but you might google that
> > also.
> >
> >
> > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> > neighbors too!
> >
> >
> >   --
> > *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves 
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:17 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> >
> > See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes,
> > or you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found
> > on other sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat
> > litterbox?).  I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity
> > up, but feeding beef did.   You'll have to look at the recipes for
> > preground meat, to get the right amount of calcium, etc., in there.
> >
> > Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's
> > made of.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
> > FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
> > the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
> > night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
> > dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
> > present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
> > Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
> > couple of cans of wet.
> >
> > My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
> > food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
> > at the dry food and turned away.
> >
> > After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
> > food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
> > intake!
> >
> > I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
> > what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
> >
> > Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
> > selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
> > feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
> > tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
> >
> > So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
> >
> > Emma Beauchamp
> >
> > ___
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
> >
> > If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save
> > their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> > 
> >
> > If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
> > to free up cage space.
> >
> >
> > Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> > implementing the No Kill Equation:
> > http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
> >
> > Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
> > http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
> >
> > Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
> >
> > More fun reading:
> > http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
> >
> > More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
> > http://vimeo.com/48445902
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Lee Evans]

I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do the 
cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  Only 
problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. 
Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through the minds of 
cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.



 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 
Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.


 Emma Beauchamp  wrote: 
> Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp



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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[dlgegg]

I tried cranberry and Homey ran every time she saw me with a glob of it on my 
finger.  Not a happy camper.
 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote: 
> Some say that has no effect, as cats don't metabolize fruit all that well.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:
> 
> > Would some type of cranberry extract help, maybe mixed with the recipe
> > mentioned?  Holistic methods of UTI in humans uses cranberry juice, extract
> > and capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation.  Not sure
> > cats and cranberries would get along very well but you might google that
> > also.
> >
> >
> > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> > neighbors too!
> >
> >
> >   --
> > *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves 
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:17 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> >
> > See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes,
> > or you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found
> > on other sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat
> > litterbox?).  I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity
> > up, but feeding beef did.   You'll have to look at the recipes for
> > preground meat, to get the right amount of calcium, etc., in there.
> >
> > Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's
> > made of.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
> > FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
> > the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
> > night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
> > dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
> > present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
> > Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
> > couple of cans of wet.
> >
> > My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
> > food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
> > at the dry food and turned away.
> >
> > After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
> > food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
> > intake!
> >
> > I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
> > what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
> >
> > Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
> > selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
> > feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
> > tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
> >
> > So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
> >
> > Emma Beauchamp
> >
> > ___
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
> >
> > If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save
> > their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> > 
> >
> > If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
> > to free up cage space.
> >
> >
> > Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> > implementing the No Kill Equation:
> > http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
> >
> > Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
> > http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
> >
> > Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
> >
> > More fun reading:
> > http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
> >
> > More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
> > http://vimeo.com/48445902
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
> 
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
> life.  Contact your local pound for information.
> 
> 
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[dlgegg]

Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.


 Emma Beauchamp  wrote: 
> Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp



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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[dlgegg]

My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD canned 
food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, 
wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now feed Blue 
buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.  We hate chicken 
and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem.  I 
have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck.  Right now, Homey is 
okay.  I got water fountains and everyone loves them.  It recirculates the 
water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out 
more often.  I got one on line that is stainless steel.  Much better, lower 
profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to 
be cleaned as often.  With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes 
noise and they do drink more water.  You might try them.  


 Emma Beauchamp  wrote: 
> Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp



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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Some say that has no effect, as cats don't metabolize fruit all that well.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> Would some type of cranberry extract help, maybe mixed with the recipe
> mentioned?  Holistic methods of UTI in humans uses cranberry juice, extract
> and capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation.  Not sure
> cats and cranberries would get along very well but you might google that
> also.
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:17 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
>
> See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes,
> or you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found
> on other sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat
> litterbox?).  I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity
> up, but feeding beef did.   You'll have to look at the recipes for
> preground meat, to get the right amount of calcium, etc., in there.
>
> Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's
> made of.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
> dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
> present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
> Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
> couple of cans of wet.
>
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
> at the dry food and turned away.
>
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
> intake!
>
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
> what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
> feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
> tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
> Emma Beauchamp
>
> ___
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> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>
>
>
>
> --
> 
> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
>
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save
> their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> 
>
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
> to free up cage space.
>
>
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> implementing the No Kill Equation:
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
>
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
> http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
>
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
>
> More fun reading:
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
>
> More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
> http://vimeo.com/48445902
>
>
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>


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Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislat

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Lee Evans]

Would some type of cranberry extract help, maybe mixed with the recipe 
mentioned?  Holistic methods of UTI in humans uses cranberry juice, extract and 
capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation.  Not sure cats and 
cranberries would get along very well but you might google that also.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 

See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes, or you 
could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found on other 
sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat litterbox?).  I found 
that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity up, but feeding beef did.   
You'll have to look at the recipes for preground meat, to get the right amount 
of calcium, etc., in there.

Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's made 
of.



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp  wrote:

Hello All,
>
>
>My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
>FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the 
>FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) 
>she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later 
>she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her 
>bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
>Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
>wet.  
>
>My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
>yesterday,
 but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and 
turned away.  
>
>
>
>After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
>in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!
>
>I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
>kind of food/diet did you switch to? 
>
>Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
>selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
>her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
>switched to the Whiskas, and
 she seemed to like it more anyway! 
>
>So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 
>
>Emma Beauchamp
>
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>
>


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If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes, or
you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found on
other sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat litterbox?).
 I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity up, but
feeding beef did.   You'll have to look at the recipes for preground meat,
to get the right amount of calcium, etc., in there.

Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's
made of.


On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
> dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
> present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
> Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
> couple of cans of wet.
>
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
> at the dry food and turned away.
>
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
> intake!
>
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
> what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
> feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
> tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
> Emma Beauchamp
>
> ___
> Felvtalk mailing list
> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>
>


-- 

Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902
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[Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Emma Beauchamp]

Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

[GRAS]

This may answer your concern: 
http://www.wondercide.com/content/is-cedar-toxic-to-cats/ 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

 

I thought that cedar caused liver damage in small animals. Anyone see ever hear 
about this?

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On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Natalie  wrote:

I found something that I received from a friend a while back – was someone 
asking about flea treatments in this group?

 

I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I 
have used.  The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone.  There is no 
residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet.  

Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house.  

Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard.

This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and 
butterflies.  So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites or 
ticks etc.

www.cedarcide.com 

It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree.

Susan

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

[Marcia]

I thought that cedar caused liver damage in small animals. Anyone see ever hear 
about this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Natalie  wrote:

> I found something that I received from a friend a while back – was someone 
> asking about flea treatments in this group?
>  
> I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I 
> have used.  The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone.  There is no 
> residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet. 
> Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house. 
> Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard.
> This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and 
> butterflies.  So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites or 
> ticks etc.
> www.cedarcide.com
> It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree.
> Susan
>  
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[Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

[Natalie]

I found something that I received from a friend a while back - was someone
asking about flea treatments in this group?

 

I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I
have used.  The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone.  There is no
residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet.  

Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house.  

Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard.

This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and
butterflies.  So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites
or ticks etc.

www.cedarcide.com 

It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree.

Susan

 

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