Re: new to FeLV
My vet has Dixie Louise on Interferon (1 cc every other day) and I try to brush her teeth (or use tooth wipes)--notice the word try. My holistic vet has Dixie on some drops that we hope will keep Dixie healthy and happy. I don't know where you are located or if you have your own holistic vet or not. If you want contact information for mine I will send it. I don't know if she consults by phone or not. It never hurts to ask. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: new to FeLV My 1st FeLV+ cat, I have had him 3 years, is healthy and activeexcept that he has a chronic gum problem.. Antibiotics help some buthe hates them and hides from us when he thinks that is what he isgoing to get... Would Immuno Regulin be good for this ??Its easier to take him to the vet than it is to get antibiotics in him...Tadcatatonya wrote: Hey, Again, I would try immunoregulin and a holistic vet. I would also look for another vet who's more receptive to trying new things. My vet actually did research and came up with things to try for my positive when she was sick. tonyaRoxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge. Carmen Conklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C & W)>From: Roxane Baldwin >Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Subject: new to FeLV>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)>>Hi,>> About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I >have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He >came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of >putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at >all.> He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we >cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat >can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad >and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would >like to get him onto raw.> This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've >mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too >bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do >whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or >bring home to watch die. Help!>> Roxane>> __>Do You Yahoo!?>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around>http://mail.yahoo.comRoxane,Horton, Iowa __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: o/t advice needed
My first thought is to try Feliway spray. It helps a lot. Then put Rescue Remedy in their water. Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo Ban. He is just trying to claim some space for himself. Can you imagine how awful and abandoned he feels? How very alone? He doesn't understand what has happened to his person and why he is in this situation and whether it is a home for life or he will be thrown out again He is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product I have found that really works on cat urine. Make sure there are at least two litter boxes. Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a "doorway" in it so Danny has plenty of high walls to spray. Don't put the lid on it though. Make sure each cat is getting attention separately and has his own food bowl. Given the stress this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it that helps. Danny needs a special place of his own to hide. Again, if there is little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it. Cut a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high. The objective is to give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible. By cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize that space. Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway). Other ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as a regular vet. It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI. A vet checkup is not a bad idea. Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat is under too. Some of the above may help it. Good luck. It sounds like you can use some. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "Kerry MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: o/t advice needed Hi all I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along with my heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery. I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in despair over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his guardian, a neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that she's had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly so they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and spraying everywhere it seems. Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what she's said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very grateful for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my own research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear may be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.) Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
RE: More info
Julia, Don't ever say 'this is all I can do'--what you're doing is wonderful! Samantha is loved and well cared for. That's more than so many kitties have... Make her as comfortable as you can, give her lots of hugs--that's what she needs right now. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Hagstrom Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: More info Nina and Belinda, I took my kitty to the Cancer Center today, and yes, she saw a specialist, a Dr. who was filling in for Dr. Harris while she's on vacation, and really knows her stuff. :) She made sure that the problem is lymphoma, and said it is hiding in her lymph nodes, which is why she couldn't see the mass clearly on the X-ray we brought from my regular vet (the vet I've been taking her to since I got her). Unfortunately, when a tumor gets into the lymph nodes and then the bones, it is a death sentence. I know this because it's also what happened to my husband; he died of bladder cancer, when the second tumor was in his body cavity, and surgery wasn't an option. While he was trying to decide whether to take more aggressive chemo for it, after having the tumor shrunk to the size of a golfball by chemo and radiation, the tumor grew back very fast, and got into his lymph nodes and bones. His Dr.s knew that it was the end for him, and he was dead within a week's time after that. That's why I know that, no matter what I do, Samantha will die, and I just don't see the point of doing the chemo and radiation when it will only prolong her life by a few months, not a very long time at all. If it were longer, I would consider it, but I haven't got a job, right now, and so money has to be a very big consideration, whether I want it to be or not. It would cost about $1500.00 for just the radiation treatments, because that was the estimate they gave me today, on top of the cost of her visit and treatment today. She has been given a short-term chemo injection, and will receive 3 more of these, but they won't last very long, and they will make her comfortable. She is also on Children's Benadryl, to prevent an allergic reaction to the second injection, and Prednisone. I want her to be comfortable for as long as possible, but she isn't very strong, and I don't know how long she'll last. I want to do right by her, but this is all I can do. I won't prolong her life just for my own selfish ends, and I won't keep her with me, if she is suffering greatly; I'll let her go, and set her free. Thanks for all the advice, I really appreciate it. I've received quite an education from all the Emails I've read from y'all, and will continue to look forward to them. Julia
More info
Nina and Belinda, I took my kitty to the Cancer Center today, and yes, she saw a specialist, a Dr. who was filling in for Dr. Harris while she's on vacation, and really knows her stuff. :) She made sure that the problem is lymphoma, and said it is hiding in her lymph nodes, which is why she couldn't see the mass clearly on the X-ray we brought from my regular vet (the vet I've been taking her to since I got her). Unfortunately, when a tumor gets into the lymph nodes and then the bones, it is a death sentence. I know this because it's also what happened to my husband; he died of bladder cancer, when the second tumor was in his body cavity, and surgery wasn't an option. While he was trying to decide whether to take more aggressive chemo for it, after having the tumor shrunk to the size of a golfball by chemo and radiation, the tumor grew back very fast, and got into his lymph nodes and bones. His Dr.s knew that it was the end for him, and he was dead within a week's time after that. That's why I know that, no matter what I do, Samantha will die, and I just don't see the point of doing the chemo and radiation when it will only prolong her life by a few months, not a very long time at all. If it were longer, I would consider it, but I haven't got a job, right now, and so money has to be a very big consideration, whether I want it to be or not. It would cost about $1500.00 for just the radiation treatments, because that was the estimate they gave me today, on top of the cost of her visit and treatment today. She has been given a short-term chemo injection, and will receive 3 more of these, but they won't last very long, and they will make her comfortable. She is also on Children's Benadryl, to prevent an allergic reaction to the second injection, and Prednisone. I want her to be comfortable for as long as possible, but she isn't very strong, and I don't know how long she'll last. I want to do right by her, but this is all I can do. I won't prolong her life just for my own selfish ends, and I won't keep her with me, if she is suffering greatly; I'll let her go, and set her free. Thanks for all the advice, I really appreciate it. I've received quite an education from all the Emails I've read from y'all, and will continue to look forward to them. Julia
Spraying problem
Hi Kerry, My brother had a problem with his big male, Tigger, pooping on one spot of his carpet. He put 2 sheets of tinfoil on the spot to discourage him, but they separated and Tiggy went on the one tiny little strip of carpet showing in between the sheets. I then bought him a bag of litter called "Dr. Elsey's Cat Attract" that has something irresistible to cats in it, and he hasn't had a problem since. Not sure if it would help with territorial spray marking, but it's worth a shot. (Not sure why Tigger decided to start going on the carpet to begin with, as he is always very polite about coughing up the occassional hairball, only does that in the bathtub!) Good Luck, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: o/t advice needed
I would get on the archives and do my own research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear may be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out. Yikes! Sounds like more than I could handle all own it's own, without trying to help the neighbor's cat! Is the tooth falling out painful, and can it be re-attached tomorrow at the dentists? Ever consider maybe your teeth are falling out from all the STRESS in your daily life Kerry? ;-) Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: Chester Not Eating
Ahh, I see! Probably why I haven't seen a problem here from them eating the occasional oniony leftovers... most of my cats tend to have pretty normal red blood cell counts. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
interesting...
An abstract from March 2006. Sure would make life easier if we could test without drawing blood J Clin Microbiol. 2006 Mar;44(3):916-22. Related Articles, Links Detection of feline leukemia virus RNA in saliva from naturally infected cats and correlation of PCR results with those of current diagnostic methods.Gomes-Keller MA, Gonczi E, Tandon R, Riondato F, Hofmann-Lehmann R, Meli ML, Lutz H.Clinical Laboratory, Vetsuisse Faculty, University of Zurich, Winterthurerstrasse 260, 8057, Zurich, Switzerland. [EMAIL PROTECTED]A novel diagnostic test for feline leukemia virus (FeLV) RNA in saliva from naturally infected cats is described in this study. We evaluated different diagnostic tests and compared them with the widely used enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) for the detection of p27 in the diagnosis of FeLV. Blood samples from 445 cats were tested for the presence of provirus by real-time PCR and plasma and saliva specimens from those cats were tested for the presence of viral RNA by real-time reverse transcription (RT)-PCR and for the presence of p27 by ELISA. In comparison to conventional ELISA, the diagnostic sensitivity and specificity of the detection of salivary FeLV RNA by real-time RT-PCR were found to be 98.1 and 99.2%, respectively. Detection of viral RNA in saliva had a positive predictive value of 94.6% and a negative predictive value of 99.7%. The kappa value was 0.96, demonstrating an almost perfect agreement between both tests. Furthermore, we confirmed previous results showing that a number of cats which tested negative for the presence of p27 in plasma were in fact positive for the presence of DNA provirus in blood specimens (5.4%). However, 96.4% of these latently infected cats did not shed viral RNA in saliva; therefore, we assume that these cats are of relatively low clinical importance at the time of testing. This study shows considerable diagnostic value of the detection of saliva FeLV RNA in naturally infected cats. This new diagnostic method has advantages over the conventional ELISA, such as less invasive sample collection and no requirement for trained personnel. Entrez PubMed
Re: To Kris re questions
> I wonder what kind of "other diseases" they are talking about? I can't think of any off hand, can you? < >> Not anything that a non positive couldn't get! << I think Cornell is bringing back the mythical illness we all knew as school children called "COODIES"! IE: "EEwewww, I'm not touching him, he's got the COODIES!" Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: new to FeLV
My 1st FeLV+ cat, I have had him 3 years, is healthy and active except that he has a chronic gum problem.. Antibiotics help some but he hates them and hides from us when he thinks that is what he is going to get... Would Immuno Regulin be good for this ?? Its easier to take him to the vet than it is to get antibiotics in him... Tad catatonya wrote: Hey, Again, I would try immunoregulin and a holistic vet. I would also look for another vet who's more receptive to trying new things. My vet actually did research and came up with things to try for my positive when she was sick. tonya Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge. Carmen Conklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C & W) >From: Roxane Baldwin >Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: new to FeLV >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > > About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I >have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He >came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of >putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at >all. > He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we >cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat >can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad >and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would >like to get him onto raw. > This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've >mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too >bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do >whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or >bring home to watch die. Help! > > Roxane > > __ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com Roxane, Horton, Iowa __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Chester Not Eating
for the trivia, onion destroys the red blood cells, causing anemia in cats, . Roxane[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. Some cats love meat baby food, just be sure to read the ingredients,you do NOT want any onion in it. (I don't know why, that's just what everyone says...my cat was just eating my leftover guacamole from my tacos and it has onion, lime,and garlic in it, LOL! He's a odd beastie...)PhaewrynPLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (forpictures) and HOMES for CATS!-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006Roxane,Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: raw food
Well, I wouldn't fee any raw PORK... other than that, I doubt the vet's have much real scientific basis behind their reluctance to advocate raw diets. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
Julia, I'm sad to hear it's such grim news for Samantha. Ultimately, what you decide WILL be what is best for you, and what YOU feel is the right thing to do. Follow your gut instinct, if you think that her quality of life on the chemo will not be good, and that you may have better QUALITY time without it, then you do what is best for the two of you. I do have a few suggestions though, that may hurt to hear at this point, but that you will cherish later. Take the time to make a paw casting now, take some pictures of her. Cut a locket of her fur and put it somewhere very safe where you will always have it. These things, you will come to cherish years from now. Then just spend as much time with her as you can, while you can, and when the time is right, make her journey swift and painless. This way, you will always know you did all you could to honor her life, to make her happy, and to keep her memory near to you, and you wont have any regrets. Phaewryn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: o/t advice needed
She needs to have one litterbox per cat, plus one, which would be 3 for 2 cats. Basically she may have to wait since she could not do a slow introduction. I know some of my friends who do fostering have cats who are on meds for anxiety, which seems to help with this issue. I have mixed feelings about cats being on anxiety meds. - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:08 pm Subject: o/t advice needed To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi all > I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once > again my > condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, > along with my > heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery. > I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in > despairover her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as > his guardian, a > neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat > that she's > had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two > would get > along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced > slowly so > they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and > sprayingeverywhere it seems. > Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from > what she's > said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very > gratefulfor any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the > archives and do my own > research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I > fear may > be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.) > Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry > >
Re: Chester Not Eating
Heat can make even very well negative cats not want to do anything or eat. I saw it here over the hot weekend too. 101 isn't high enough to need to take any drastic measures, he's probably just tired from the heat, but not feverish. 105 and up is when you need to really worry about fever in cats. Some cats love meat baby food, just be sure to read the ingredients, you do NOT want any onion in it. (I don't know why, that's just what everyone says... my cat was just eating my leftover guacamole from my tacos and it has onion, lime, and garlic in it, LOL! He's a odd beastie...) Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
o/t advice needed
Hi all I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along with my heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery. I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in despair over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his guardian, a neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that she's had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly so they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and spraying everywhere it seems. Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what she's said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very grateful for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my own research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear may be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.) Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry
RE: new to FeLV
Thanks Tonya, can I ask what is immunoregulin? Roxanecatatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hey, Again, I would try immunoregulin and a holistic vet. I would also look for another vet who's more receptive to trying new things. My vet actually did research and came up with things to try for my positive when she was sick. tonyaRoxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge. Carmen Conklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C & W)>From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Subject: new to FeLV>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)>>Hi,>> About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I >have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He >came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of >putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at >all.> He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we >cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat >can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad >and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would >like to get him onto raw.> This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've >mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too >bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do >whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or >bring home to watch die. Help!>> Roxane>> __>Do You Yahoo!?>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around>http://mail.yahoo.comRoxane,Horton, Iowa __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: raw food
I'm sorry to hear about Milo but IMO there is nothing better than a raw diet. Why fill your cat with junk food when raw is the most natural thing you can do. You have won a battle that I fight with most of my cats, you won to get Milo it eat raw, please don't take that a way from him or yourself. Roxane,Horton, Iowa Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Severe congestion?--Thanks!
Is Starman the guy who was crying outside the bedroom window? tNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wish I could be of more help with Chatty's impersonation of Darth Vadar. Starman, (my hulking FIV guy), was congested and breathing the same way when he showed up. I wasn't thrilled about doing it, but I took my vet's advice and put him on Baytril. It did clear it up and so far, it hasn't come back, (quick, say a prayer). I don't have any experience with the albuterol, let us know.Hugs,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>Thanks, guys, for all your help! Unfortunately, the local grocery>didn't have the Little Noses with Phenylephrine...so I just picked up>the saline drops and have been giving those a go! Not a whole lot of>improvement...he's a little less "beow-y," but still sounds very much>like Darth Vadar...He's also still having difficulty smelling his food,>so I've resorted to syringing for the time being. I can't believe how>agreeable he's been through all this...he's just so unbelievably sweet,>I don't know how anyone could abandon him!>>So I'm going to try upping his dosage of interferon and have started>adding vitamin C to his food in an effort to get him over the hump. >Thanks for all your help! Also, is the albuterol mostly for chest>congestion? Or will it work on upper respiratory, as well?>>Thanks!>>Jen>
RE: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind
Hideyo, YOU didn't take away his sight. His high blood pressure did. I went through this with Popeye. He refused his medicine and after a while I noticed he was going blind. I'm giving him medicine now and he's regained some sight, but he still won't always take his medicine so we just do what we can. That's all you can do too. tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thiis so totally my fault--.. I just feel so awful.. I took his visionaway from him... this is so very hard, Nina I wanted to make therest of his life so comfortable instead,, I took his sight away.. onlyif I were more careful.. I just cannot stand this! Please please praythat his vision will come back!Hideyo and Hannibal-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:03 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blindOh Hideyo, you know my thoughts and prayers are always with you and yourbabies. How is Hannibal doing this morning? Is he frightened? How's his blood pressure now? Let us know how he's doing as soon as you can. Many prayers that his sight is back to normal already, or at least very soon.Much love,NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote:> Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal - he has > been on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be high.. > and he is getting blind - I noticed on Saturday and did not any better> to take him to the vet right away (I did not know what's going one).. > he is on Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is > 50/50 chance that he can get his vision back.. please please please > pray for my baby, that his sight will come back!!!>> Hideyo and Hannibal>
Re: Chester Not Eating
It could be the heat and I would try the unflavored pedialyte. If necessary you can just add some to the water. I'm sorry about the the positive test for Timmy. Maybe they will both fight off the virus. Are you using interferon? tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Morning,Hope you all had a good weekend. Chester did not do good this weekend. It was hot out in 90s. I kept him in basement and kept putting wash rag w/cold water on him. Basement was very cool and his body should be able to regulate temp. Was not moving around much-took his temp and I thought he might have fever but it was good 101. Yesterday he did not eat or drink. Should I try Pedialyte? Do they like the taste? Tried everything-canned tuna, turkey lunch meat, and treats. Has baby food worked? Any ideas? Has gone to the bathroom, eyes and gums look good, is responsive to our voices but no energy. Is this just the heat? We got a CVC Wed and results were very good-healty blood. But bad news too-my other cat Timmy is also positive. Scheduled retest in 8 weeks and praying for false positives. Thanks,Lisa --WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com)
Re: Severe congestion?--Michelle
Thanks for that, Michelle! I'm willing to try anything at this point to give him a little relief...he hasn't eaten much today and I don't want him to go on much longer w/ a poor appetite! So there's only one orange in the children's variety? "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George "The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:07 pm Subject: Re: Severe congestion?--Thanks! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Triaminic, the orange version, is a children's cold remedy that > really helps > clear congestion. A vet told me to give .2 ml (that's point 2, not > 2) to > Ginger when she was too stuffed up to eat, and it really seemed to > make her feel > better and help her start eating. > Michelle > > In a message dated 6/19/2006 2:20:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I wish I could be of more help with Chatty's impersonation of Darth > Vadar. Starman, (my hulking FIV guy), was congested and breathing > the > same way when he showed up. I wasn't thrilled about doing it, but > I > took my vet's advice and put him on Baytril. It did clear it up > and so > far, it hasn't come back, (quick, say a prayer). I don't have any > experience with the albuterol, let us know. > Hugs, > Nina >
Re: Severe congestion?--Thanks!
Triaminic, the orange version, is a children's cold remedy that really helps clear congestion. A vet told me to give .2 ml (that's point 2, not 2) to Ginger when she was too stuffed up to eat, and it really seemed to make her feel better and help her start eating. Michelle In a message dated 6/19/2006 2:20:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish I could be of more help with Chatty's impersonation of Darth Vadar. Starman, (my hulking FIV guy), was congested and breathing the same way when he showed up. I wasn't thrilled about doing it, but I took my vet's advice and put him on Baytril. It did clear it up and so far, it hasn't come back, (quick, say a prayer). I don't have any experience with the albuterol, let us know.Hugs,Nina
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
No, I actually agree with that. It does depend on the cat. If Samantha is terrified of car rides and vets, I might not do chemo, because you need weekly appointments. It all depends. If she is relatively ok with it, I would. Michelle In a message dated 6/19/2006 4:58:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Idon't know, it sounds a bit crazy, but I think the decision to gothrough with chemo depends solely on the cat and you know Samantha best!
Re: raw food
I feed raw to my two positives. I was worried about it too, but my hand was forced when one of my positives, Lucy, got IBD and stopped being able to tolerate even the best canned food. I read about raw and decided to try it, and she is so much better on it. I still gave canned to my other positive, Patches, until recently she started insisting on eating the raw. Michelle
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
I am not sure why they gave her 3-4 months. That might be the case, but mediastinal lymphoma sometimes responds very well to chemo, and some cats have gone years in remission from chemo. Cats with FeLV respond as well to chemo, but they do tend to come out of remission faster if they go into it. That said, at least one person on this list had a cat live over a year with lymphoma from chemo, I think. Mediastinal lymphoma responds better to chemo than any other kind of lymphoma. If you have not already, I would take her to a veterinary oncologist for the treatment, if you can. They are more knowledgeable about chemo than regular vets. Also, if you decide not to do chemo, or you do and she comes out of remission and will not go back in (there is a chemo drug called CCNU that they give after a cat comes out of remission, and 50% of the time it puts them back in remission for a while), there is a steroid combination shot that works far better than prednisone at keeping them feeling good and slowing the tumor growth. It's 1/2 ml dexamethasone combined with 1/2 ml depomedrol. I have used it several times, and others on this list have as well. Finally, I highly recommend that you join the yahoo feline lymphoma group at [EMAIL PROTECTED]. You will get up to speed on chemo and lymphoma very quickly there. Lastly, I am sorry about the diagnosis. I have lost 3, and possibly 4, of my positives to lymphoma. I only did chemo with one, and wish now that I had tried it with the others. Michelle In a message dated 6/19/2006 6:28:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hi, all :(>> Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Samantha > doesn't have FIV or FIP, just FelV. The bad news is that the tumor in her > chest is definitely Mediastinal lymphoma, and it's in her lymph nodes, > unfortunately. :( I can give her chemo and radiation and prolong her > life for 3-4 months, or I can simply leave her be (they gave her > Prednisone, short-term chemo, and something to keep her from having an > allergic reaction to the chemo, today). She is better, and they drained > some more fluid out of her, to test it for lymphoma cells, as my regular > vet hadn't done that, yet; she wanted to see what I wanted to do, first. > I now have to decide whether to spend almost $1700.00 and get her the > radiation and chemo that will prolong her life for 3-4 months or just > leave her be, and my inclination is to leave her be, and keep her home > until she is suffering too much to do anything except let her go, with > regular checkups from my regular vet, of course. I have meds to give her > and they took her off the Lasix, as her body is producing more fluid than > the Lasix can help her get rid of quickly, and all the other meds she was > on except the antiobiotic, and they have me giving her one pill, once a > day (don't remember what it is) and Children's Benadryl from the > drugstore. Please pray for us, and any advice you care to offer is > gratefully accepted. I need all the support and advice you care to give. > Thanks for all your support.>
Re: Bandy and the ringworm
My old vet had a friend of mine dab diluted clorox on the places with a cotton ball. Since it's on Bandy's face you would have to be extra careful though. She practically bathed those kittens in clorox (diluted 1 to 10 I think). tonyaGloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When I use the golden seal, I put it on every day. The kind without alcohol, can go on the face too. The nutritional support sounds good - the colostrum and interferon etc.I was just looking at some other alternative stuff for one of my kitties, and found this, which mentions ringworm - I didn't know this kind of stuff was anti-fungal too -http://www.nzymes.com/ product_blackleaf_black_walnut_olive_leaf_tincture.htmI've also been told to use 1/4 of a Program tablet with cats, for ringworm.Good luck.GloriaOn Jun 14, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Kerry Roach wrote:> Hi everyone,> We have been away for awhile, just too much going on with this > ringworm and work...it is all I can do to tend to all of that...> I am sorry for the losses some of you have had recently...you are > always in our thoughts and prayers...> Anyway, bandy's entire face has ringworm on it and I have used > almost the whole bottle of conofite...they said I am going to have > to give him the fulvicin to get rid of it..I just hate that, but I > may have no other choice. The eye drops with the pred in them are > keeping it from going away faster..or that is what his eye spec > said would happen..I try to keep it off the best I can with cotton > balls then put the topical meds for the ringworm on there last with > some other eye ointment to keep down infection..Inky (my 19yr old) > had it, too, but I his has healed ok as it was on his back..and the > hair has already come back...But Bandy is miserable...He has hurt > his leg again due to climbing I guess..He is eating good and fever > seems to be about the same..he gets that about every 7 to 9 > days..so I still give him 1/2 dex pill...and it goes away..> I forgot to mentiion I think a few weeks ago, we did a complete > blood panel on Bandy and it was the first one since last Aug...His > PCV was 30.4...so something must be working for that...he is making > rbc so that is a positive thing for sure...> His eyes are clear and he can see some...the pupils don't > move...they are stuck in a fixed position, but as long as he is on > the pred drops, he should be able to see some..> He is eating good and playing some..> I still give him lysine from the pill on each meal with some folic > acid and bovine colostrum...also Co Q10...He is on interferon same > as since last Aug. and 1/2 cc baytril.> Please let me know if there is anything else I can try for the > ringworm. I put some goldenseal on it too...I just don't know what > else to do..I feel so bad for him as I know he hates all the meds > for the ringworm..> Head butts to all your furr babies..and hoping everyone is doing > well today..> Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Little Rascal and Snoopy> __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around> http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind
Tonya,, I am so sorry about your kitty,, is your kitty a CRF kitty, too? Can he still see some? What is his BP now? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind Hideyo, I am going through the same thing with my Popeye. Even with the norvasc I think he is still losing his sight. He seems to be adjusting well. He is losing weight though. :( tonya Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal – he has been on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be high.. and he is getting blind – I noticed on Saturday and did not any better to take him to the vet right away (I did not know what’s going one).. he is on Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is 50/50 chance that he can get his vision back.. please please please pray for my baby, that his sight will come back!!! Hideyo and Hannibal
RE: new to FeLV
Hey, Again, I would try immunoregulin and a holistic vet. I would also look for another vet who's more receptive to trying new things. My vet actually did research and came up with things to try for my positive when she was sick. tonyaRoxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge. Carmen Conklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C & W)>From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Subject: new to FeLV>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)>>Hi,>> About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I >have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He >came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of >putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at >all.> He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we >cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat >can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad >and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would >like to get him onto raw.> This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've >mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too >bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do >whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or >bring home to watch die. Help!>> Roxane>> __>Do You Yahoo!?>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around>http://mail.yahoo.comRoxane,Horton, Iowa __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Off antibiotics?
This is late, but I would go back on the antibiotics and try immunoregulin and/or vitamin c. then try again to leave off the antibiotics. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, I wrote about a week ago with a newly diagnosed 7 month kitten named Lucy. I've read several recommendations that I shouldn't put her back on antibiotics but the problem is that within a week of being off the antibiotics she is deathly ill. Today was day 7 of not being on them and following some of the regimins suggested to boost her immune system and she woke up today with a fever of 106, runny eyes, and barely able to walk. The vet gave me antibiotics again because without them I really believe she would be dead very quickly. For those of you who do recommend no antibiotics, how do you get them well when they get sick right away? Thanks, Maggie
Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind
Hideyo, I am going through the same thing with my Popeye. Even with the norvasc I think he is still losing his sight. He seems to be adjusting well. He is losing weight though. :( tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal he has been on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be high.. and he is getting blind I noticed on Saturday and did not any better to take him to the vet right away (I did not know whats going one).. he is on Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is 50/50 chance that he can get his vision back.. please please please pray for my baby, that his sight will come back!!! Hideyo and Hannibal
RE: raw food
I personally you should continue to keep her on raw food diet - there is a way to you can prepare your raw meat so that it will eliminate any potential risks of feeding raw meat to your kitty.. one thing you can use it to soak the meat with grapefruit seed oil - But I give raw meat to some of my cats and have had any problems.. but traditional vets are going to be against raw meat --- but they are not nutritionist.. so they don't necessary know what's the best things to feed them.. sometime we give too much and too many credit to vets.. and expect them to know everything.. they don't.. we have to educate ourselves to find out what's the best thing to feed them.. I personally think that if a cat would eat it.. there is nothing better than giving them raw meat..as long as you add other supplement that your kitty need along with it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kiley Dozier-Bosanko Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: raw food My kitty Mio was diagnosed with FeLV a week and a half ago. She had been on a raw food diet prior to this, but I took her off because I was told that there is a high risk of parasytes. We have been to 3 different vets in the last week and I've spoken to countless specialists on the phone and they ALL said that raw food was a risky diet for a cat with a compromised immune system. Has anyone actually had a problem with this (parasytes from raw food)? Thank you, Kiley
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
Leave her be. I had this decision with a cancer The Royal Princess Kitty Katt had. I was told on February 1, 2005 that she might live a couple of months without treatment. She left this world on April 22, 2006 and had a very high quality of life until the very end. She left on her own, no vets, no car rides, just like she wanted it. Money was never a question but quality of life and her wishes were. I had several acs talk to her to make sure I was getting my information from her, not from what my own desires for myself would be. There was no doubt about it. She did not want chemo or anything like it. I took her to an alternative vet who helped until Kitty got tired of the trips (and a school bus ran a stop sign, hitting within inches of her). Dr. Boswell continued to consult but the visits were putting too much stress on Kitty. I don't know what kind of cancer Kitty had. She had tumors in both lungs that were practically inoperable (again something she did not want). In November 2005 I had Kitty x-rayed again. The vet was totally puzzled with her. He could not figure out why she was doing anything but sleeping and laying around (again, the quality of life was very good). After that, she made no more trips to the vets' or any place else. I decided she should be happy and we should enjoy the time we had together. She ate good foods but had plenty of "junk food" that she enjoyed. The last week and a half my mother visited daily to sing to her and cuddle her (Mom and Daddy were the people Kitty, a feral, chose to live with. I got custody when Mom could no longer take care of her and Daddy had left this world). I let her and the FeLV+ cat I have together (they sort of liked that--at least they kept each other company and Kitty regularly chased Dixie Louise).I am very content with the decisions we made. We chose to act by not subjecting her to treatments neither my vets nor I would want. We did not chose inaction. Choosing not to act is often harder than choosing to act. It certainly was for me. Again, I know the decisions were right and she is sitting right beside my Daddy in an old brown recliner and they are totally enjoying each other--just like they did before he left this world. They are both very happy and Put yourself in her paws and decide what you would want for yourself under the conditions. Hold her and love her and ask her to tell you (she may need to tell you in your dreams since this is very hard for both of you). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "Julia Hagstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Samantha's Prognosis Hi, all :( Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Samantha doesn't have FIV or FIP, just FelV. The bad news is that the tumor in her chest is definitely Mediastinal lymphoma, and it's in her lymph nodes, unfortunately. :( I can give her chemo and radiation and prolong her life for 3-4 months, or I can simply leave her be (they gave her Prednisone, short-term chemo, and something to keep her from having an allergic reaction to the chemo, today). She is better, and they drained some more fluid out of her, to test it for lymphoma cells, as my regular vet hadn't done that, yet; she wanted to see what I wanted to do, first. I now have to decide whether to spend almost $1700.00 and get her the radiation and chemo that will prolong her life for 3-4 months or just leave her be, and my inclination is to leave her be, and keep her home until she is suffering too much to do anything except let her go, with regular checkups from my regular vet, of course. I have meds to give her and they took her off the Lasix, as her body is producing more fluid than the Lasix can help her get rid of quickly, and all the other meds she was on except the antiobiotic, and they have me giving her one pill, once a day (don't remember what it is) and Children's Benadryl from the drugstore. Please pray for us, and any advice you care to offer is gratefully accepted. I need all the support and advice you care to give. Thanks for all your support. Julia Hagstrom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
raw food
My kitty Mio was diagnosed with FeLV a week and a half ago. She had been on a raw food diet prior to this, but I took her off because I was told that there is a high risk of parasytes. We have been to 3 different vets in the last week and I've spoken to countless specialists on the phone and they ALL said that raw food was a risky diet for a cat with a compromised immune system. Has anyone actually had a problem with this (parasytes from raw food)? Thank you, Kiley
Re: Diagnosed Today
I've been away for a week, but I'm sure you've had lots of suggestions. You might consider seeing a holistic vet. My cat got very sick with a URI when first diagnosed. We used immunoregulin, interferon, and lots of vitamins and things prescribed by the holistic vet. She got better and lived about 6 more years. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys-I hope I am posting this the right way.We just found out today that we are positive.Chester just turned a year old in April. We got him after we was weaned and has been inside our house ever since. I suspect that he got it from his mother (his mother was an indoor cat-or that's what we were told). He didn't show any signs until a few months ago. He came down with a cold and has been given antibotics for that twice. When he goes off of it he still is not normal. Right now he has a sore throat and fever. My major concern is his laying around which he never did as a kitten, he just seems depressed. Still eating and going to bathroom okay. Doctor gave me Baytril and Prednisone. Doctor said that he could last a few months but will get worse. I also have another cat, Timmy 6 years old. Timmy was tested as a kitten (negative) but not yet recently. Still keeping both together because if Timmy were going to get it he'd probably already be infected.I feel horrible. I just need some support as I am new to this whole thing. Any ideas, suggestions? What should I do? Of course I want to keep Chester as long as possible but I don't want him to suffer. I want to do what's best for the cat. Any advice is appreciated.Thanks,Lisa--WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com)
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
Julia, Just an FYI, most vets give a very dire prognosis when it comes to cancer, I can't remember but did you say Samantha went to cancer specialists at a University?? And what stage is she? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
Julia, I have not heard of radiation being a usual part of treatment for that type of cancer, which by the way usually has a very good response to treatment. I belong to a group of cancer kitties and there are several that have this specific type of cancer and are doing well, here is their website with some case studies of actual cats with that and other types of cancer, one in particular that is doing well is Andi, her link is on that page. There is also some links to some great vets that some of those in the group have and still are using. Some have their regular vets consult with the cancer specialists: http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/cases.html The Yahoo group link for the talk group is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/ There is a a lot of good people on this group also! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Please pray for Bandy
I guess he is holding his own right now..He did eat a few bites of dry food this morning which is the first time in almost a week..I am feeding him salmon with corn oil which he has always liked..He doesn't eat alot, but he is doing it himself..That makes me feel better...He has gone to his box around 7 times since yesterday and made it back to his bed without my help..He does this when I am away..so I guess he is drinking some water..He did receive another 200cc of sub-q fluids on Sunday...I am going to take him to see the doctor on Tues..as he still has something going on..He almost seems to have a sore throat.. I am trying not to stress him out too much so I have been spreading his treatments out more so he can have more time to rest.. Thanks again for all of your prayers and support.. Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
Julia, Your post sounds like mostly bad news and bad news to me. I'm so sorry that Samantha's troubles did turn out to be lymphoma. The truly good news is that she has a human like you that loves her and wants the best for her. I take it since you mention "your regular vet", the vet you got this info from is an Oncologist? If I'm reading inbetween the lines of your post correctly, it seems like you are considering not doing the chemo. No judgments there, I just remember Michelle Lerner posting about the two shots of steroids and how that can shrink tumors and keep them feeling better. Here's a paste from the post that Michelle sent you before: With lymphoma, especially mediastinal, I would always opt for trying chemo and seeing if it helps. If not, I would ask for a combo shot of dexamethasone (1/2 cc for an adult cat) and depomedrol (same dosage), which shrinks lymphoma and keeps them comfortable for a while. Could you talk to your new vet about this option? I know Michelle has said that a lot of vets are not familiar with this protocol, so you might have to do some convincing to get them to consider it. Please don't stop believing in miracles. I have a heavy heart over the possibility that I helped my Jazzy cross before it was truly her time. I based my decision on the fear of continuing to watch her suffer and I'll never know if I did the right thing or not. Whatever you decide, be at peace with the decision before you take action to save yourself the added grief that guilt, (unfounded or not), can cause. Blessings and prayers to you and Sam, Nina Julia Hagstrom wrote: Hi, all :( Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Samantha doesn't have FIV or FIP, just FelV. The bad news is that the tumor in her chest is definitely Mediastinal lymphoma, and it's in her lymph nodes, unfortunately. :( I can give her chemo and radiation and prolong her life for 3-4 months, or I can simply leave her be (they gave her Prednisone, short-term chemo, and something to keep her from having an allergic reaction to the chemo, today). She is better, and they drained some more fluid out of her, to test it for lymphoma cells, as my regular vet hadn't done that, yet; she wanted to see what I wanted to do, first. I now have to decide whether to spend almost $1700.00 and get her the radiation and chemo that will prolong her life for 3-4 months or just leave her be, and my inclination is to leave her be, and keep her home until she is suffering too much to do anything except let her go, with regular checkups from my regular vet, of course. I have meds to give her and they took her off the Lasix, as her body is producing more fluid than the Lasix can help her get rid of quickly, and all the other meds she was on except the antiobiotic, and they have me giving her one pill, once a day (don't remember what it is) and Children's Benadryl from the drugstore. Please pray for us, and any advice you care to offer is gratefully accepted. I need all the support and advice you care to give. Thanks for all your support. Julia Hagstrom
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
You guys will certainly be in my thoughts! I've gone through chemo with a couple of guys now and, honestly, I'm torn as to whether or not I'd do it again. The treatment gave us about 4 more months with our Ewok...I felt it was right at the time as he was very agreeable to the treatments and the drive...but I'm still feeling the impact to my wallet... :( I've recently had to make a decision whether or not I'd want to do it again with his brother (the test results were still out as to whether or not he had cancer...fortunately, he did not)...If he had cancer, though, I had made up my mind to forego the chemo in favor of Michelle's steriod combo only because I felt it would be the right decision for Sleepypants. I just didn't get the feeling from him that he'd want to go through the treatment program...I don't know, it sounds a bit crazy, but I think the decision to go through with chemo depends solely on the cat and you know Samantha best! Take care and keep us posted! You guys are in my thoughts! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George "The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: Julia Hagstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:38 pm Subject: Samantha's Prognosis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi, all :( > > Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that > Samantha > doesn't have FIV or FIP, just FelV. The bad news is that the tumor > in > her chest is definitely Mediastinal lymphoma, and it's in her lymph > nodes, unfortunately. :( I can give her chemo and radiation and > prolong her life for 3-4 months, or I can simply leave her be (they > gave her Prednisone, short-term chemo, and something to keep her > from > having an allergic reaction to the chemo, today). She is better, > and > they drained some more fluid out of her, to test it for lymphoma > cells, > as my regular vet hadn't done that, yet; she wanted to see what I > wanted to do, first. I now have to decide whether to spend almost > $1700.00 and get her the radiation and chemo that will prolong her > life > for 3-4 months or just leave her be, and my inclination is to leave > her > be, and keep her home until she is suffering too much to do > anything > except let her go, with regular checkups from my regular vet, of > course. I have meds to give her and they took her off the Lasix, > as > her body is producing more fluid than the Lasix can help her get > rid of > quickly, and all the other meds she was on except the antiobiotic, > and > they have me giving her one pill, once a day (don't remember what > it > is) and Children's Benadryl from the drugstore. Please pray for > us, > and any advice you care to offer is gratefully accepted. I need > all > the support and advice you care to give. Thanks for all your support. > > Julia Hagstrom > >
Re: Samantha's Prognosis
Julie I am so sorry about what you have to go through with your sweet Samantha.I spent well over 5,000 on my Maizee for her chemo treatments over a 6 monthe period.And she was healthy pretty much the whole time.I helped her until that terrible disease took her.It was to me worth the 6 extra months with that beautiful beast,but it is understandable if you just can't go that route.Just love her and make her comfortable and make sweet memories.Bless you and Samantha. SherryJulia Hagstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, all :(Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Samantha doesn't have FIV or FIP, just FelV. The bad news is that the tumor in her chest is definitely Mediastinal lymphoma, and it's in her lymph nodes, unfortunately. :( I can give her chemo and radiation and prolong her life for 3-4 months, or I can simply leave her be (they gave her Prednisone, short-term chemo, and something to keep her from having an allergic reaction to the chemo, today). She is better, and they drained some more fluid out of her, to test it for lymphoma cells, as my regular vet hadn't done that, yet; she wanted to see what I wanted to do, first. I now have to decide whether to spend almost $1700.00 and get her the radiation and chemo that will prolong her life for 3-4 months or just leave her be, and my inclination is to leave her be, and keep her home until she is suffering too much to do anything except let her go, with regular checkups from my regular vet, of course. I have meds to give her and they took her off the Lasix, as her body is producing more fluid than the Lasix can help her get rid of quickly, and all the other meds she was on except the antiobiotic, and they have me giving her one pill, once a day (don't remember what it is) and Children's Benadryl from the drugstore. Please pray for us, and any advice you care to offer is gratefully accepted. I need all the support and advice you care to give. Thanks for all your support.Julia Hagstrom Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Samantha's Prognosis
Hi, all :( Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Samantha doesn't have FIV or FIP, just FelV. The bad news is that the tumor in her chest is definitely Mediastinal lymphoma, and it's in her lymph nodes, unfortunately. :( I can give her chemo and radiation and prolong her life for 3-4 months, or I can simply leave her be (they gave her Prednisone, short-term chemo, and something to keep her from having an allergic reaction to the chemo, today). She is better, and they drained some more fluid out of her, to test it for lymphoma cells, as my regular vet hadn't done that, yet; she wanted to see what I wanted to do, first. I now have to decide whether to spend almost $1700.00 and get her the radiation and chemo that will prolong her life for 3-4 months or just leave her be, and my inclination is to leave her be, and keep her home until she is suffering too much to do anything except let her go, with regular checkups from my regular vet, of course. I have meds to give her and they took her off the Lasix, as her body is producing more fluid than the Lasix can help her get rid of quickly, and all the other meds she was on except the antiobiotic, and they have me giving her one pill, once a day (don't remember what it is) and Children's Benadryl from the drugstore. Please pray for us, and any advice you care to offer is gratefully accepted. I need all the support and advice you care to give. Thanks for all your support. Julia Hagstrom
Re: To Kris re questions
Kelley, I'm glad you researched further!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: To Kris re questions
>>> I read the information and left with more questions than I started with, not to mention how upset I was! That's my biggest problem with them, they are a very well know veterinary college and too many people are going to take their word as absolute fact and the only ones that suffer are the positives that are needlessly euthanized. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: To Kris re questions
> I wonder what kind of "other diseases" they are talking about? I can't think of any off hand, can you? < Not anything that a non positive couldn't get! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Severe congestion?--Thanks!
Thanks Kelley, I've archived the info! Nina What my vet told me is that the Albuterol works to make them feel better - it breaks up the chest/nasal congestion they have when they have a URI. This is good because when they feel better and can smell their food they start eating. I had a kitten with severe URI that I thought was going to lose. He didn't start eating until after I took him to my current vet and they started nebulizing him. Within 24 hours after that he was eating (I had been syringing him with A/D). My cats have still had to have antibiotics when they have URI, though. Here is a link to more information about Albuterol. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682145.html I keep a nebulizer (bought on Ebay for $25 - MUCH more expensive if bought at a drug store - about $100+) and a stock of Albuterol for sick kittens. My vet sold me a bag of the Albuterol capsules for about $10.
Re: Severe congestion?--Thanks!
> > So I'm going to try upping his dosage of interferon and have started > adding vitamin C to his food in an effort to get him over the > hump. > Thanks for all your help! Also, is the albuterol mostly for chest > congestion? Or will it work on upper respiratory, as well? > What my vet told me is that the Albuterol works to make them feel better - it breaks up the chest/nasal congestion they have when they have a URI. This is good because when they feel better and can smell their food they start eating. I had a kitten with severe URI that I thought was going to lose. He didn't start eating until after I took him to my current vet and they started nebulizing him. Within 24 hours after that he was eating (I had been syringing him with A/D). My cats have still had to have antibiotics when they have URI, though. Here is a link to more information about Albuterol. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682145.html I keep a nebulizer (bought on Ebay for $25 - MUCH more expensive if bought at a drug store - about $100+) and a stock of Albuterol for sick kittens. My vet sold me a bag of the Albuterol capsules for about $10.
Re: Cornell website and misinformation
Maybe we should remind Cornell to update their website. Isn't some of that information older than ten years? Bonnie http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/ http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf - Original Message - From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:17 pm Subject: Cornell website and misinformation To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Belinda, > Thank you for taking the time to dispel some of the misinformation > on > the Cornell site. They aren't the only source of what people would > suspect to be reliable information that causes more harm than good > in > the public's perception of felv. It think that many in the > veterinary > community take the approach of "safety" first and they err on the > side > of caution. Unfortunately that causes panic and hopelessness. > Every > vet, (and guardian for that matter), that is enlightened is a > victory > for all our special needs kids. Keep fighting the good fight girl, > Nina > > Belinda wrote: > > >In my opinion and my opinion only, some of their info is > outdated and incorrect, espeically when it comes to transmitting > the virus and how long it survives in the enviornment. Last time I > was on their website looking up info the way they presented it in > my opinion is by using scare tactics and for that reason many > people going to their website for info along with a vet that > doesn't know anything realistic about it will opt to take their > vets advise and euthanize a positive cat. > > > >I've had people call me and specifically quote stuff they read on > Cornell's website and says they had seriously thought about > euthanizing the positive they found and then thankfully looked > around some more and atleast got enough conflicting info to > reconsider.> > >>From their website: > >"FeLV doesn't survive long outside a cat's body--probably less > than a few hours under normal household conditions." > > > >*Any* vet I've *EVER* asked about this say's it doesn't live > anywhere near this long, some think a minute or two, some think > seconds, NOBODY thinks up to an hour under any circumstances. > > > >"It is impossible to accurately predict the life expectancy of a > cat infected with FeLV. With appropriate care and under ideal > conditions, infected cats can remain in apparent good health for > many months, although most succumb to a FeLV-related disease within > two or three years after becoming infected. *If your cat has > already experienced one or more severe illnesses as a result of > FeLV infection, or if persistent fever, weight loss, or cancer is > present, a much shorter survival time can be expected.*" > > > >Not necassarily true. My Frankie was sick *every single year* > with a URI, pretty bad ones, in December. I finally let my vet > test him at about 7 years of age. He was positive, indoor only and > I suspect born with it or got it shortly after birth (I got Frankie > in a bar when he was about 3 weeks old, couldn't even eat real food > yet). He lived to be 9 years old still getting his usual URI in > December and finally succumbed to anemia which my then vet had no > idea how to treat other than with transfusions which she told me > would only work for a while and he would suffer. His HCT was at 6% > when he finally displayed any sign to me that there was something > wrong. And really the only sign I got that told me something was > wrong was that he wasn't staying in bed with me as he usually did > every night all of his 9 years. He still weighted 18 pounds, was > eating fine, and not really sleeping more or lethargic. He hid it > so good by the time we did find it it was pretty much too > >late to do anything for him, I lost him the night we diagnosed him. > > > >"Feline leukemia virus will not survive outside the cat for more > than a few hours in most environments. > >However, FeLV-infected cats are frequently infected with other > hardier infectious agents, and these may pose some threat to a > newcomer. Thoroughly clean and disinfect or replace food and water > dishes, bedding, litter pans and toys. A dilute solution of > household bleach (4 ounces of bleach in a gallon of water) makes an > excellent disinfectant. Vacuum carpets and mop floors. Any new cats > or kittens should be properly vaccinated before entering the > household."> > >As I said before as far as I'm concerned "Feline leukemia virus > will not survive outside the cat for more than a few hours in most > environments." is not true and almost all the FeLV positives that > I'm aware if have died from anemia or some type of cancer and to my > knowledge neither of these is contagious. Very few FeLV positive > cats in todays world die from URI's or something else similar that > a healthy cat probably wouldn't even get. It happens I'm sure > though not to the extent that t
Re: Severe congestion?--Thanks!
I wish I could be of more help with Chatty's impersonation of Darth Vadar. Starman, (my hulking FIV guy), was congested and breathing the same way when he showed up. I wasn't thrilled about doing it, but I took my vet's advice and put him on Baytril. It did clear it up and so far, it hasn't come back, (quick, say a prayer). I don't have any experience with the albuterol, let us know. Hugs, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, guys, for all your help! Unfortunately, the local grocery didn't have the Little Noses with Phenylephrine...so I just picked up the saline drops and have been giving those a go! Not a whole lot of improvement...he's a little less "beow-y," but still sounds very much like Darth Vadar...He's also still having difficulty smelling his food, so I've resorted to syringing for the time being. I can't believe how agreeable he's been through all this...he's just so unbelievably sweet, I don't know how anyone could abandon him! So I'm going to try upping his dosage of interferon and have started adding vitamin C to his food in an effort to get him over the hump. Thanks for all your help! Also, is the albuterol mostly for chest congestion? Or will it work on upper respiratory, as well? Thanks! Jen
Cornell website and misinformation
Belinda, Thank you for taking the time to dispel some of the misinformation on the Cornell site. They aren't the only source of what people would suspect to be reliable information that causes more harm than good in the public's perception of felv. It think that many in the veterinary community take the approach of "safety" first and they err on the side of caution. Unfortunately that causes panic and hopelessness. Every vet, (and guardian for that matter), that is enlightened is a victory for all our special needs kids. Keep fighting the good fight girl, Nina Belinda wrote: In my opinion and my opinion only, some of their info is outdated and incorrect, espeically when it comes to transmitting the virus and how long it survives in the enviornment. Last time I was on their website looking up info the way they presented it in my opinion is by using scare tactics and for that reason many people going to their website for info along with a vet that doesn't know anything realistic about it will opt to take their vets advise and euthanize a positive cat. I've had people call me and specifically quote stuff they read on Cornell's website and says they had seriously thought about euthanizing the positive they found and then thankfully looked around some more and atleast got enough conflicting info to reconsider. >From their website: "FeLV doesn't survive long outside a cat's body—probably less than a few hours under normal household conditions." Any vet I've EVER asked about this say's it doesn't live anywhere near this long, some think a minute or two, some think seconds, NOBODY thinks up to an hour under any circumstances. "It is impossible to accurately predict the life expectancy of a cat infected with FeLV. With appropriate care and under ideal conditions, infected cats can remain in apparent good health for many months, although most succumb to a FeLV-related disease within two or three years after becoming infected. If your cat has already experienced one or more severe illnesses as a result of FeLV infection, or if persistent fever, weight loss, or cancer is present, a much shorter survival time can be expected." Not necassarily true. My Frankie was sick every single year with a URI, pretty bad ones, in December. I finally let my vet test him at about 7 years of age. He was positive, indoor only and I suspect born with it or got it shortly after birth (I got Frankie in a bar when he was about 3 weeks old, couldn't even eat real food yet). He lived to be 9 years old still getting his usual URI in December and finally succumbed to anemia which my then vet had no idea how to treat other than with transfusions which she told me would only work for a while and he would suffer. His HCT was at 6% when he finally displayed any sign to me that there was something wrong. And really the only sign I got that told me something was wrong was that he wasn't staying in bed with me as he usually did every night all of his 9 years. He still weighted 18 pounds, was eating fine, and not really sleeping more or lethargic. He hid it so good by the time we did find it it was pretty much too late to do anything for him, I lost him the night we diagnosed him. "Feline leukemia virus will not survive outside the cat for more than a few hours in most environments. However, FeLV-infected cats are frequently infected with other hardier infectious agents, and these may pose some threat to a newcomer. Thoroughly clean and disinfect or replace food and water dishes, bedding, litter pans and toys. A dilute solution of household bleach (4 ounces of bleach in a gallon of water) makes an excellent disinfectant. Vacuum carpets and mop floors. Any new cats or kittens should be properly vaccinated before entering the household." As I said before as far as I'm concerned "Feline leukemia virus will not survive outside the cat for more than a few hours in most environments." is not true and almost all the FeLV positives that I'm aware if have died from anemia or some type of cancer and to my knowledge neither of these is contagious. Very few FeLV positive cats in todays world die from URI's or something else similar that a healthy cat probably wouldn't even get. It happens I'm sure though not to the extent that they try to make it sound like and therefore unnecessarily scare people. Anyone who has an outbreak of Panleukemia or something else as contagious that is not limited to FeLV+'s as they are trying to make it look like would go through the appropriate steps to clean their home before brining in any more cats. I have no positives left in my household and when one of my guys gets a URI, it doesn't spread to all of them, in fact usually nobody else gets it. Even when Bailey was alive and one of the others got a URI, Bailey never got it from them. I haven't been to Cornell's website in quite a while before today and I see they have revised some of their info but they still as far as I'm concerned have
Re: Severe congestion?--Thanks!
Thanks, guys, for all your help! Unfortunately, the local grocery didn't have the Little Noses with Phenylephrine...so I just picked up the saline drops and have been giving those a go! Not a whole lot of improvement...he's a little less "beow-y," but still sounds very much like Darth Vadar...He's also still having difficulty smelling his food, so I've resorted to syringing for the time being. I can't believe how agreeable he's been through all this...he's just so unbelievably sweet, I don't know how anyone could abandon him! So I'm going to try upping his dosage of interferon and have started adding vitamin C to his food in an effort to get him over the hump. Thanks for all your help! Also, is the albuterol mostly for chest congestion? Or will it work on upper respiratory, as well? Thanks! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George "The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Severe congestion? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > What has helped my cats with congestion is nebulizing them with > albuterol. I'm not sure about doing this with FELV+ cats, though. > > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:41 pm > Subject: Re: Severe congestion? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Many lists members in the past have suggested a children's > product > > called Little > > Noses. I have no personal experience or dosage info.. I'm sure > > someone will pipe in > > with that info though! > > > > Phaewryn > > > > PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! > > http://ucat.us/adopt.html > > > > DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a > > digital camera (for > > pictures) and HOMES for CATS! > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: > > 6/16/2006 > > >
Re: Chester Not Eating
Hi Lisa, I hear the panic in your words, it's something that everyone on the list has to deal with. It's a good thing in a way because it shows we're being hyper vigilant and that's important to safeguard our pos' health. Since it was really hot out, I'm hoping Chester's not wanting to eat and his lethargy are simply symptoms of the heat. Is Timmy acting the same way? Didn't you tell us that the first clue you had to something being "not right" with Chester was lethargy? Is he still on abx? The fact that his blood work looked good and his temp was normal, are very encouraging. I'm concerned that you and your vet haven't gotten to the bottom of what ever is ailing Chester. Have you called your vet this morning? Is he working with you to find the answers? If it were me and Chester didn't perk up very soon, I'd be looking for an Internist to take him to. That really sucks that Timmy has tested pos too! I'm so sorry to hear this. It goes against what we have come to suspect about the difficulty of transmission to a healthy negative cat. Has Timmy been an indoor only cat his whole life? Keep us updated on what's going on with Chester. Sending you calm healing energy and prayers that Chester feels better very soon, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Morning, Hope you all had a good weekend. Chester did not do good this weekend. It was hot out in 90s. I kept him in basement and kept putting wash rag w/cold water on him. Basement was very cool and his body should be able to regulate temp. Was not moving around much-took his temp and I thought he might have fever but it was good 101. Yesterday he did not eat or drink. Should I try Pedialyte? Do they like the taste? Tried everything-canned tuna, turkey lunch meat, and treats. Has baby food worked? Any ideas? Has gone to the bathroom, eyes and gums look good, is responsive to our voices but no energy. Is this just the heat? We got a CVC Wed and results were very good-healty blood. But bad news too-my other cat Timmy is also positive. Scheduled retest in 8 weeks and praying for false positives. Thanks, Lisa -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com)
Re: Severe congestion?
Hello Jen, I'm sorry to hear that Chatty isn't doing well right now. I hope he feels better very soon. Roxane and I were just posting about Little Noses. I did go out and buy it, so I know it was a positive recommendation from someone on the list at the time. Here's a paste from the email about it to Roxane recently: > I think there was a caution with those nose drops, maybe making sure there wasn't an expectorant. See if you can look it up in the archives. Wait a minute, I'll go get mine and tell you what it says... It's "Little Noses" for infants and Children. It does say decongestant, 1/8% formula, no alcohol or PPA, (phenylpropanolgmine, whatever the heck that is), no mercury, no harmful preservatives. Hmm... I don't think I'd use it unless I was desperate. I wish I could remember who on the list recommended it. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this topic may have been covered recently...but was there any consensus on a good decongestant for cats? Long story short, we think the herpes virus is wreaking havoc on poor Chatty (FIV+)...he was given a steriod to help reduce the inflammation in his gums due to stomatitis, and that was probably how the virus was able to get a good foot-hold! Anyway, I'm running out of ideas to give him some relief as antibiotics (zithromax), interferon and lysine (up to 1000 mg/day) aren't cutting it! I've started calling him "Darth" and can't help but chuckle when he "meows" as it sounds more like he's saying "be-ow." ;) He's fine otherwise, although he's having a hard time smelling his food, so I've had to resort to tuna and anything that gives off a strong odor. I've just put a humidifier in the room to see if that helps, but I'm quickly running out of ideas! Any suggestions? I've never seen a cat this congested! Thanks, all! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George "The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner
Re: Ember and Wellness DMG
Lance, Fabulous news about Ember feeling her old self again! Hooray! You didn't even have to cook her a turkey! I've heard about DMG, in fact I gave it to my positives for a while. I don't have any experience with "Wellness WellDefense". I remember there was a precaution about an ingredient, or additive to avoid when selecting DMG, but off hand can't remember what it was. I could probably look it up for you. I'm sure I posted about it to the list. If you can't find it by doing a search on "DMG" in the archives, let me know. Nina Lance wrote: Ember is back to her normal self. I'm not sure what caused her digestive problems. Lots of prayers and love undoubtedly brought her back to health. I did not give her the flagyl. As long as I can avoid using antibiotics on her, I will. Does anyone have experience with the Wellness WellDefense DMG chewable tablets? Prayers for Samantha, MK, Hannibal, Bandy and all of our feline friends. God bless you all. Lance
Emily needs to find a home
I am desperate. I took in a leukemia positive named Emily and I am forced to find her a new home. I have to move back to my mother's house and cannot bring her with me. I am frantic. I never would have imagined that I would need to give her up. She is a black & grey tabby. Extremely sweet, affectionate & talkative. She has been around dogs and other cats and does well with them. She is located in Northwest New Jersey (Warren County - near Hackettstown, zip 07840) and I am willing to transport darn near anywhere East of the Mississippi. West of there, I would need some help in transporting. Rachel "Folk will know how large your soul is by the way you treat a dog" C. Doran Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: To Kris re questions
Hi Gina, I'm glad you found this list. I had a kitten test faint pos just a couple weeks ago. I had the whole litter retested and they were all negative this time. Very confusing. I found that Cornell website too, before I found this group. It scared me quite a bit. Kelley - Original Message - From: Gina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:56 am Subject: Re: To Kris re questions To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi Belinda, > > I wonder what kind of "other diseases" they are talking about? > I can't think of any off hand, can you? I am curious as to what > they base their information on. I am new to the support group and > I've just started to learn more about FeLV. Whe I got the "faint > positive" result on my kitten Pippin, I went to the Cornell > website because I had heard they are highly respected. I read the > information and left with more questions than I started with, not > to mention how upset I was! > > They don't explain their "facts" and I think this could lead > people to make decisions not based upon solid research and recent > findings, but upon fear :( I am so glad I decided to venture out > and learn more, plus join this support group, before I make any > decisions about Pippin. She's getting her next test at 3 months > of age, and even then I am going to test her again if the results > are positive because I've read that now 16 weeks is a minimum age > to test. > > Gina > > > Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One more thing: > > "Epidemiological and laboratory studies have failed to provide > evidence that FeLV can be transmitted from infected cats to > humans. Regardless, FeLV-infected cats may carry other diseases. > At greatest risk of infection are elderly or immunosuppressed > people (e.g., those with AIDS, or receiving immunosuppressive > medications such as chemotherapy), infants, and unborn children. > It is recommended that pregnant women, people with suppressed > immune systems, the very young, and the very old avoid contact > with FeLV-infected cats." > > That is just utterly ridiculous, any sick cat whether positive or > not would fall into this catagory, how many positives do you think > will die because of this ludicous info > > > > -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi- > Kitties http://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP > Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight > Service http://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com > [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com- > ---BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] > http://bmk.bemikitties.com > > > No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to > welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery > > > Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines > > > > > - > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. >
Re: To Kris re questions
Hi Belinda, I wonder what kind of "other diseases" they are talking about? I can't think of any off hand, can you? I am curious as to what they base their information on. I am new to the support group and I've just started to learn more about FeLV. Whe I got the "faint positive" result on my kitten Pippin, I went to the Cornell website because I had heard they are highly respected. I read the information and left with more questions than I started with, not to mention how upset I was! They don't explain their "facts" and I think this could lead people to make decisions not based upon solid research and recent findings, but upon fear :( I am so glad I decided to venture out and learn more, plus join this support group, before I make any decisions about Pippin. She's getting her next test at 3 months of age, and even then I am going to test her again if the results are positive because I've read that now 16 weeks is a minimum age to test. Gina Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One more thing: "Epidemiological and laboratory studies have failed to provide evidence that FeLV can be transmitted from infected cats to humans. Regardless, FeLV-infected cats may carry other diseases. At greatest risk of infection are elderly or immunosuppressed people (e.g., those with AIDS, or receiving immunosuppressive medications such as chemotherapy), infants, and unborn children. It is recommended that pregnant women, people with suppressed immune systems, the very young, and the very old avoid contact with FeLV-infected cats."That is just utterly ridiculous, any sick cat whether positive or not would fall into this catagory, how many positives do you think will die because of this ludicous info-- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.comNo heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: To Kris re questions
One more thing: "Epidemiological and laboratory studies have failed to provide evidence that FeLV can be transmitted from infected cats to humans. Regardless, FeLV-infected cats may carry other diseases. At greatest risk of infection are elderly or immunosuppressed people (e.g., those with AIDS, or receiving immunosuppressive medications such as chemotherapy), infants, and unborn children. It is recommended that pregnant women, people with suppressed immune systems, the very young, and the very old avoid contact with FeLV-infected cats." That is just utterly ridiculous, any sick cat whether positive or not would fall into this catagory, how many positives do you think will die because of this ludicous info -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: To Kris re questions
In my opinion and my opinion only, some of their info is outdated and incorrect, espeically when it comes to transmitting the virus and how long it survives in the enviornment. Last time I was on their website looking up info the way they presented it in my opinion is by using scare tactics and for that reason many people going to their website for info along with a vet that doesn't know anything realistic about it will opt to take their vets advise and euthanize a positive cat. I've had people call me and specifically quote stuff they read on Cornell's website and says they had seriously thought about euthanizing the positive they found and then thankfully looked around some more and atleast got enough conflicting info to reconsider. >From their website: "FeLV doesn't survive long outside a cat's body—probably less than a few hours under normal household conditions." Any vet I've EVER asked about this say's it doesn't live anywhere near this long, some think a minute or two, some think seconds, NOBODY thinks up to an hour under any circumstances. "It is impossible to accurately predict the life expectancy of a cat infected with FeLV. With appropriate care and under ideal conditions, infected cats can remain in apparent good health for many months, although most succumb to a FeLV-related disease within two or three years after becoming infected. If your cat has already experienced one or more severe illnesses as a result of FeLV infection, or if persistent fever, weight loss, or cancer is present, a much shorter survival time can be expected." Not necassarily true. My Frankie was sick every single year with a URI, pretty bad ones, in December. I finally let my vet test him at about 7 years of age. He was positive, indoor only and I suspect born with it or got it shortly after birth (I got Frankie in a bar when he was about 3 weeks old, couldn't even eat real food yet). He lived to be 9 years old still getting his usual URI in December and finally succumbed to anemia which my then vet had no idea how to treat other than with transfusions which she told me would only work for a while and he would suffer. His HCT was at 6% when he finally displayed any sign to me that there was something wrong. And really the only sign I got that told me something was wrong was that he wasn't staying in bed with me as he usually did every night all of his 9 years. He still weighted 18 pounds, was eating fine, and not really sleeping more or lethargic. He hid it so good by the time we did find it it was pretty much too late to do anything for him, I lost him the night we diagnosed him. "Feline leukemia virus will not survive outside the cat for more than a few hours in most environments. However, FeLV-infected cats are frequently infected with other hardier infectious agents, and these may pose some threat to a newcomer. Thoroughly clean and disinfect or replace food and water dishes, bedding, litter pans and toys. A dilute solution of household bleach (4 ounces of bleach in a gallon of water) makes an excellent disinfectant. Vacuum carpets and mop floors. Any new cats or kittens should be properly vaccinated before entering the household." As I said before as far as I'm concerned "Feline leukemia virus will not survive outside the cat for more than a few hours in most environments." is not true and almost all the FeLV positives that I'm aware if have died from anemia or some type of cancer and to my knowledge neither of these is contagious. Very few FeLV positive cats in todays world die from URI's or something else similar that a healthy cat probably wouldn't even get. It happens I'm sure though not to the extent that they try to make it sound like and therefore unnecessarily scare people. Anyone who has an outbreak of Panleukemia or something else as contagious that is not limited to FeLV+'s as they are trying to make it look like would go through the appropriate steps to clean their home before brining in any more cats. I have no positives left in my household and when one of my guys gets a URI, it doesn't spread to all of them, in fact usually nobody else gets it. Even when Bailey was alive and one of the others got a URI, Bailey never got it from them. I haven't been to Cornell's website in quite a while before today and I see they have revised some of their info but they still as far as I'm concerned have some incorrect info. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Iron is generally not the main cause of feline anemia but if the iron levels are low as Bailey's were, normal is 60 to 120, Bailey was at 40 when first tested. They may also have problems producing new red cells. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Please pray for Bandy
Iron is needed to produce red cells, along with vitamin B and folic acid. Here is some good info about Feline Anemia: http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00043.htm Here is a page with lots of different links to what's need to build blood when anemic: http://www.google.com/search?q=blood+building+vitamins+and+supplements+needed+for+anemia&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
New Yahoo Group in WA. For Animals
You don't have to be in Snohomish County or in WA. to post The group home page location:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WA Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: Mama Kitty
What a beautiful girl, I hope she continues to do so well.:) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chester Not Eating
Try Just Born and Nutri-Cal for supplements. There are ice blankets (usually in the picnic/hunting or first aid sections of Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart etc). You freeze them, cover them with a light towel (or whatever) to protect the cat from direct contact. They are easier than the rags and cold water. Be careful not to bring the temperature down too low. You might try warming some food. Fried chicken seemed to be a favorite of Kitty's. There are critter versions of Pedialyte. The last I got was at my vet's and that was over a year ago. Good luck. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "felv" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Chester Not Eating Good Morning, Hope you all had a good weekend. Chester did not do good this weekend. It was hot out in 90s. I kept him in basement and kept putting wash rag w/cold water on him. Basement was very cool and his body should be able to regulate temp. Was not moving around much-took his temp and I thought he might have fever but it was good 101. Yesterday he did not eat or drink. Should I try Pedialyte? Do they like the taste? Tried everything-canned tuna, turkey lunch meat, and treats. Has baby food worked? Any ideas? Has gone to the bathroom, eyes and gums look good, is responsive to our voices but no energy. Is this just the heat? We got a CVC Wed and results were very good-healty blood. But bad news too-my other cat Timmy is also positive. Scheduled retest in 8 weeks and praying for false positives. Thanks, Lisa -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Chester Not Eating
Good Morning, Hope you all had a good weekend. Chester did not do good this weekend. It was hot out in 90s. I kept him in basement and kept putting wash rag w/cold water on him. Basement was very cool and his body should be able to regulate temp. Was not moving around much-took his temp and I thought he might have fever but it was good 101. Yesterday he did not eat or drink. Should I try Pedialyte? Do they like the taste? Tried everything-canned tuna, turkey lunch meat, and treats. Has baby food worked? Any ideas? Has gone to the bathroom, eyes and gums look good, is responsive to our voices but no energy. Is this just the heat? We got a CVC Wed and results were very good-healty blood. But bad news too-my other cat Timmy is also positive. Scheduled retest in 8 weeks and praying for false positives. Thanks, Lisa -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com)
