Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer
WOW Nina I am so glad he came back to you I remember a story like that from years ago about an old indian who thought he was going to die and he went off to a mountain top to be by himself... But time went by and he didn't die and he got hungrier and hungrier and cold and wet and he gave up and came home My vet said that the draining of the chest would have to be done over and over again and that is why he opted to try the dieuetic (???) pills instead... Because Leo was also dehydrated and a moderate fever he told us to just give him enough to ease his breathing... That seemed to make him much more comfortable and I would think your vet could prescribe them without you having to bring him in again... We also had Leo on sub-q and antibiotics at home and syringe feeding and several of his favorite spots that he liked to go to but I had blocked off some others that were too tight to get him out... I had to help him climb up the back of the couch to get to his window sill on his last day but I am sure he enjoyed being free to do it... Tad Nina wrote: You people are not going to believe this. Spencer has come home! I can't believe it myself. He sauntered up while I was putting food out for the ferals. For a second, I thought he was an apparition. I had to blink hard, he just seemed to be saying, hi Mom, like it was any other day. He looked so good, so bright and ALIVE! I ushered him inside and he took a big long drink of water. I was thinking of what Leslie said about her friend, I was thinking about miracles. When I came back from making his bed he was sprawled out on his side on the kitchen floor. I guess he must of used up a lot of his limited energy to make it home. His only movement was that rapid breathing. All the other animals were hovering around him, sniffing him, nosing him, I don't think they can believe it either. I've gone through so many emotional contortions since yesterday afternoon. I had finally resolved myself to the fact that he probably wasn't coming back, and here he is. He's resting in the front room on his bed, at least the dogs aren't allowed in there. Last time I looked, there were four cats lying close by, seemingly keeping him company. I don't know if I wrote the group about this... The vet that was on ER duty when I brought Spence in called with the report from the radiologist today. He suspects lymphoma, possibly a mass, possibly an enlarged heart. I asked them, (at the time I didn't think he was coming back), if they would be able to prescribe something that would possibly put him into remission, or at the very least make him more comfortable. She told me that since the lymph node aspirate they attempted hadn't been successful, they would have to do more tests. I'm loath to put him through another horrendous vet visit in his condition. Tomorrow morning I'm going to call an Internist that I've used before, one I trust, and beg her to help me. There must be something I can do without having to put him through another vet visit. I'm so relieved to have him home. Whatever is to be, we'll face it together. Nina
Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer
At 10:10 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: That makes me so very very happy. I will sleep better tonight, I never said anything before because many people believe that if a cat disappears it is because they have made a decision that they are going to die, What actually makes more sense is that animals in order to protect themselves if they feel they are ill and can become prey to another animal they just go and find a safe hiding place, It is a natural way of protecting themselves,,, So very glad he is home ,, Kelly You people are not going to believe this. Spencer has come home! I can't believe it myself. He sauntered up while I was putting food out for the ferals. For a second, I thought he was an apparition. I had to blink hard, he just seemed to be saying, hi Mom, like it was any other day. He looked so good, so bright and ALIVE! I ushered him inside and he took a big long drink of water. I was thinking of what Leslie said about her friend, I was thinking about miracles. When I came back from making his bed he was sprawled out on his side on the kitchen floor. I guess he must of used up a lot of his limited energy to make it home. His only movement was that rapid breathing. All the other animals were hovering around him, sniffing him, nosing him, I don't think they can believe it either. I've gone through so many emotional contortions since yesterday afternoon. I had finally resolved myself to the fact that he probably wasn't coming back, and here he is. He's resting in the front room on his bed, at least the dogs aren't allowed in there. Last time I looked, there were four cats lying close by, seemingly keeping him company. I don't know if I wrote the group about this... The vet that was on ER duty when I brought Spence in called with the report from the radiologist today. He suspects lymphoma, possibly a mass, possibly an enlarged heart. I asked them, (at the time I didn't think he was coming back), if they would be able to prescribe something that would possibly put him into remission, or at the very least make him more comfortable. She told me that since the lymph node aspirate they attempted hadn't been successful, they would have to do more tests. I'm loath to put him through another horrendous vet visit in his condition. Tomorrow morning I'm going to call an Internist that I've used before, one I trust, and beg her to help me. There must be something I can do without having to put him through another vet visit. I'm so relieved to have him home. Whatever is to be, we'll face it together. Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006
Re: To: Kelly
Kelly, Thanks so much for posting that for me! Karenkelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 08:31 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:Here is one link to the Rainbow Bridgehttp://rainbowsbridge.com/Poem.htm Is the copy of Rainbow Bridge a picture or a poem? I would love to see it. KarenMarylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to... > My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs > signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good. > > :) > Wendy > > --- kandbz_ mom wrote: > >> As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken >> Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away >> after she tested positive. I had spent weeks >> looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to >> try this one, when she became ill and needed to be >> seen last week. >> >> I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets >> office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I >> had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost >> Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence >> card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that >> was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do >> that? >> >> It was very comforting to me. >> >> >> - >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make >> PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer
You people are not going to believe this. Spencer has come home! I can't believe it myself. He sauntered up while I was putting food out for the ferals. For a second, I thought he was an apparition. I had to blink hard, he just seemed to be saying, hi Mom, like it was any other day. He looked so good, so bright and ALIVE! I ushered him inside and he took a big long drink of water. I was thinking of what Leslie said about her friend, I was thinking about miracles. When I came back from making his bed he was sprawled out on his side on the kitchen floor. I guess he must of used up a lot of his limited energy to make it home. His only movement was that rapid breathing. All the other animals were hovering around him, sniffing him, nosing him, I don't think they can believe it either. I've gone through so many emotional contortions since yesterday afternoon. I had finally resolved myself to the fact that he probably wasn't coming back, and here he is. He's resting in the front room on his bed, at least the dogs aren't allowed in there. Last time I looked, there were four cats lying close by, seemingly keeping him company. I don't know if I wrote the group about this... The vet that was on ER duty when I brought Spence in called with the report from the radiologist today. He suspects lymphoma, possibly a mass, possibly an enlarged heart. I asked them, (at the time I didn't think he was coming back), if they would be able to prescribe something that would possibly put him into remission, or at the very least make him more comfortable. She told me that since the lymph node aspirate they attempted hadn't been successful, they would have to do more tests. I'm loath to put him through another horrendous vet visit in his condition. Tomorrow morning I'm going to call an Internist that I've used before, one I trust, and beg her to help me. There must be something I can do without having to put him through another vet visit. I'm so relieved to have him home. Whatever is to be, we'll face it together. Nina
Re: To: Marylyn
At 08:31 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: Here is one link to the Rainbow Bridge http://rainbowsbridge.com/Poem.htm Is the copy of Rainbow Bridge a picture or a poem? I would love to see it. Karen Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to... > My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs > signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good. > > :) > Wendy > > --- kandbz_ mom wrote: > >> As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken >> Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away >> after she tested positive. I had spent weeks >> looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to >> try this one, when she became ill and needed to be >> seen last week. >> >> I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets >> office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I >> had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost >> Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence >> card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that >> was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do >> that? >> >> It was very comforting to me. >> >> >> - >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make >> PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
My Monty is that way to. When he was 9 months old, he was very sick and we had to keep him in the bathroom away from the other cats. He is now 3 years old and still loves the bathroom. He follows me in there and purrs really loud and bumps his head against me for kisses. It's funny that he does this with me but runs if my husband goes in there! Another cat, Kaylee, is the same way. She is a very shy cat but once you take her into the bathroom, she becomes an obnoxious and demanding cat. She purrs really loud and will growl when you stop petting her. She also was kept in the bathroom when she was sick. Chris p.s. I have 13 cats
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
My Shakiti was feral originally. It took months to be able to pet him at all...I've told the story about how he came to live in the house before. He is still very leery of people...but whenever I am in the bathroom, he begs for me to pick him up. I scoop him up and hold him on his back in my arms like a baby and tell him how wonderful he is. He looks at me so adoringly and does 'blinky eyes' at me...leans his head on my arm and drools like a baby. He would go to sleep if given half a chance lol. For some reason he just feels safe in there - won't get in my lap any other time. It took a long time to earn his trust and I wouldn't trade that for anything...even if I never do have a moment's privacy lol. Tiffy gives me little love bites - usually when I am petting her. I really think it is a sign of affection for some cats. It's very different from an 'upset' bite...you can tell they are just barely biting with those tiny teeth and trying to be careful. It's so sweet. elizabeth
To: Marylyn
Is the copy of Rainbow Bridge a picture or a poem? I would love to see it. KarenMarylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world.If you have men who will exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PMSubject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...> My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs> signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good.>> :)> Wendy>> --- kandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>>> As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken>> Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away>> after she tested positive. I had spent weeks>> looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to>> try this one, when she became ill and needed to be>> seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets>> office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I>> had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost>> Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence>> card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that>> was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do>> that? It was very comforting to me.>> ->> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make>> PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.>>> __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around> http://mail.yahoo.com> Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
Pokemon
Kayte, in all this rush about Crackers, I haven't taken time to say how very sorry I am that Pokemon had to go to the Bridge. Taking her in was an act of kindness, and I wish she had been able to stay with you longer. I'm sorry she bit Crackers, because if she hadn't, you wouldn't be having this worry about whether she gave him FelV (unless your idiot vet had some more bullsh*t to tell you about how contagious it is). Try to remember her as the sweet beautiful girl you took in and loved instead of as the cause of all this, which she may not actually be. As others have mentioned, it seems there was no conclusive proof that she had FeLV, just lung fluid which may have been lymphoma. While lymphoma is often brought on in the course of FeLV, it can happen all by itself. Anyway, gentlest of Bridge vibes to Pokemon. Diane R.
Re: more questions
At 07:56 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: Get a digital thermometer..do a rectal temp. A cat can normally be up to 101 or even a bit higher,,Get an extra 2 hands when you do this, Actually it is not hard if the cat is comfortable, Kelly sorry for all the questions but now that my shock is wearing off im absorbing all of this...ok i know we have to keep our cats stress free...how exactly does a cat get stress...my cat eats and sleeps and get rubs and plays with his mouse but that's it...he really dont have any stress that i know of...right now crackers isnt showing signs of anything...should i still start him on the things you guys have mentioned or do i wait till a symptom occurs...please dont think im stupid but how can u tell if a cat has a fever? crackers has never been sick with anything so im stumped do they feel warm? kayte ps im on aol same name if anyone wants to email me please do i cant email anyone from this link it says email protected No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006
RE: more questions
I don’t think you could make his life any more stress free! He sounds like he’s got all he needs and more. When you think stress, think about strays who are outside or cats who just don’t have the kind of home you have given Crackers… Sometimes cats gets stressed going to vet but they sort of get over it. I do have one guy, Romeo, who was a stray before I brought him in that gets incredibly wild when he has to go to vet. He’s around 5 or 6, never been sick & is FELV+. I have brought him to vet 3 times in two years because he needs to be sedated for vet to examine him. So, he’s not sick—he eats we—sleeps where he wants and he’s stress free! I try to give my 2 pos supplements, Vitamin C, some vitamins, etc. but they don’t always take it too easily so I’m not too consistent about it. One is 18 lbs and the other is close behind in weight. My Tucson has had a couple of episodes where he white blood count went down real low- I knew something was up when she wouldn’t eat. Most of the time, you can see something in their behavior that lets you know they don’t feel well. When she was first diagnosed, I’d run her off to the vet everytime she sneezed! Well, I settled down and now she goes only if she manages to hurt herself (she’s a real clutz!) or she stops eating. Doesn’t happen very often! Basically, you have a new vet. Let him take a look at Crackers and don’t think that he’s suddenly going to get sick! Just treat him the same way you did before he got tested—that’s the best medicine in the world! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:57 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: more questions sorry for all the questions but now that my shock is wearing off im absorbing all of this...ok i know we have to keep our cats stress free...how exactly does a cat get stress...my cat eats and sleeps and get rubs and plays with his mouse but that's it...he really dont have any stress that i know of...right now crackers isnt showing signs of anything...should i still start him on the things you guys have mentioned or do i wait till a symptom occurs...please dont think im stupid but how can u tell if a cat has a fever? crackers has never been sick with anything so im stumped do they feel warm? kayte ps im on aol same name if anyone wants to email me please do i cant email anyone from this link it says email protected
Re: sherry "babies" pix
Thank you so much,they have helped me heal from losing Maizee.Although I still miss her very much and still have my missing her moments even after almost 10 months.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im lost for words...ur babies are BEAUTIFUL :) Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
RE: this is crackers history for those who asked
You know, I just re-read your story… So nobody ever tested Pokemon when she went in. Just cause the vet ‘thought’ she had lymphoma, that doesn’t mean she was FELV? Also, other folks could tell you better—but wouldn’t she have had more symptoms if lymphoma was the culprit?? Could it be that she just got into the rat poison? I’m just not convinced that Pokemon was really pos—maybe I’m in the minority here. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:46 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: this is crackers history for those who asked Ok now after some sleep I can tell you better my story. About last Oct. we found Pokemon at our local park. She had a pink collor on and was so tame and lovable. But she was skinny. I thought I was doing an excellent thing bringing her home and my son 4 and niece 9 wouldn't have it any other way. She seemed to gain weight when she got here. She was small so i thought she was still a kitten about 4-5 months. Well a few weeks ago Pokemon started "coughing" she got into the basement and had insulation on her nose. So when the coughing was still going on but not as bad I thought she must have sniffed some insulation. Last Monday her breathing semed like a deep hard breathing and she was always so skinny i didn't notice a weight lost. I went down into the basment i live in a triplex...i found rat poisoning in a corner on a shelf. I rushed her to my local animal hospital and they told me that she needed emergency care...so we drove to unniversity of penn animal emergency hospital. They took her right in. I was thinking oh no rat poisoning..we dont even have mice here. Well finally after getting half assed answers and them saying it could be this or that...she told me that Pokemon had an abundancy of fluided in her lungs and finally was told that she had lyphomia and that they estimated Pokemon to be between 5-7 yrs old based on teeth and kidney size. To do the full tests and amit her to the ICU unit would be between $6000-$8000 estimate and we needed to put $1300 down. And they were so kind to let us have 5 mins to decide. Also the dr. said that this lyphomia could have been from Feline Aids or Feline Luekemia and that Cracks may have been affected. Now my mind was shot. I decided to euthanize her when they said she was so sick that they also believed she had this for awhile and was little hope. Ok on to Crackers. On the way home from putting Pokemon to sleep I immediately called my vet to get Crackers tested for FIV AND The luekemia. That was Tuesday and today is Saturday. Last nite Friday cracker had his appointment the dr said looks like he will be negative for both but we still have about 2 mins. Well he said oh we do have a positive. As my heart dropped he got his book and said feline luekemia. The dot that registared was a little very lite blue dot. I told him to send out the other ultra violet test. They should be back Sun morning and with the holiday if not sun then Mon. He said Crackers looked very Healthy and strong. I asked him over and over being in shock if there were false positives and he said that the test didn't have any. Here is a little of Crackers history: he is my big baby 18.6 lbs..he has NEVER been sick ever...no colds nothing and he only had diareahha 1 day when he was a yr old. He is very loving and happy..has never been outside except when he would run out and i was right after him. That he grew out of. He has a hearty appetite. I leave out food and fresh water 24-7 for him. He lives a very stress free life and is a LOVER boy he loves to purr and be rubbed. I am willing to do anything in the world for him and i will. I am open to all and all suggestions. And all I can remember is that the 1st month pokemon came they would fight and he did have a bite mark that bleed..he is all white. So i know he suffered a deep wound puncture for her. What kills me is how dense I was. I based Pokemon like a book by its cover. She was beautiful and so sweet I NEVER realized i should of had her tested and never brought her near my baby. I will never be able to forgive myself for Cracker being a positive Feline Leukemia
more questions
sorry for all the questions but now that my shock is wearing off im absorbing all of this...ok i know we have to keep our cats stress free...how exactly does a cat get stress...my cat eats and sleeps and get rubs and plays with his mouse but that's it...he really dont have any stress that i know of...right now crackers isnt showing signs of anything...should i still start him on the things you guys have mentioned or do i wait till a symptom occurs...please dont think im stupid but how can u tell if a cat has a fever? crackers has never been sick with anything so im stumped do they feel warm? kayte ps im on aol same name if anyone wants to email me please do i cant email anyone from this link it says email protected
new vet
ok guys i am getting more calm and still trying to absorb all of this...its been a full day that i found out IFA was positive...i called one of the links kat from mew jersey send and vet is gonna call tomorrow...an all cat vet thanks Kat!!! Crackers is still symptom free and is getting more spolied then i thought was posible...Leslie you were right...I have to enjoy every second with crackers i can...im gonna get some new food and see if he will try it...i working on it guys...THANKS
this is crackers history for those who asked
Ok now after some sleep I can tell you better my story. About last Oct. we found Pokemon at our local park. She had a pink collor on and was so tame and lovable. But she was skinny. I thought I was doing an excellent thing bringing her home and my son 4 and niece 9 wouldn't have it any other way. She seemed to gain weight when she got here. She was small so i thought she was still a kitten about 4-5 months. Well a few weeks ago Pokemon started "coughing" she got into the basement and had insulation on her nose. So when the coughing was still going on but not as bad I thought she must have sniffed some insulation. Last Monday her breathing semed like a deep hard breathing and she was always so skinny i didn't notice a weight lost. I went down into the basment i live in a triplex...i found rat poisoning in a corner on a shelf. I rushed her to my local animal hospital and they told me that she needed emergency care...so we drove to unniversity of penn animal emergency hospital. They took her right in. I was thinking oh no rat poisoning..we dont even have mice here. Well finally after getting half assed answers and them saying it could be this or that...she told me that Pokemon had an abundancy of fluided in her lungs and finally was told that she had lyphomia and that they estimated Pokemon to be between 5-7 yrs old based on teeth and kidney size. To do the full tests and amit her to the ICU unit would be between $6000-$8000 estimate and we needed to put $1300 down. And they were so kind to let us have 5 mins to decide. Also the dr. said that this lyphomia could have been from Feline Aids or Feline Luekemia and that Cracks may have been affected. Now my mind was shot. I decided to euthanize her when they said she was so sick that they also believed she had this for awhile and was little hope. Ok on to Crackers. On the way home from putting Pokemon to sleep I immediately called my vet to get Crackers tested for FIV AND The luekemia. That was Tuesday and today is Saturday. Last nite Friday cracker had his appointment the dr said looks like he will be negative for both but we still have about 2 mins. Well he said oh we do have a positive. As my heart dropped he got his book and said feline luekemia. The dot that registared was a little very lite blue dot. I told him to send out the other ultra violet test. They should be back Sun morning and with the holiday if not sun then Mon. He said Crackers looked very Healthy and strong. I asked him over and over being in shock if there were false positives and he said that the test didn't have any. Here is a little of Crackers history: he is my big baby 18.6 lbs..he has NEVER been sick ever...no colds nothing and he only had diareahha 1 day when he was a yr old. He is very loving and happy..has never been outside except when he would run out and i was right after him. That he grew out of. He has a hearty appetite. I leave out food and fresh water 24-7 for him. He lives a very stress free life and is a LOVER boy he loves to purr and be rubbed. I am willing to do anything in the world for him and i will. I am open to all and all suggestions. And all I can remember is that the 1st month pokemon came they would fight and he did have a bite mark that bleed..he is all white. So i know he suffered a deep wound puncture for her. What kills me is how dense I was. I based Pokemon like a book by its cover. She was beautiful and so sweet I NEVER realized i should of had her tested and never brought her near my baby. I will never be able to forgive myself for Cracker being a positive Feline Leukemia
sherry "babies" pix
im lost for words...ur babies are BEAUTIFUL :)
to kerry
i dont have your email..it says protected...thank you for info..please email me im on aol same name kayte
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
"Chest Fungus"... LOL! We call it the "Furry Tumor" or (in the case of Tigger sitting backwards up on my shoulder), the "One Eyed Parrot". Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 9/5/2006
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
My Tigger "pinches" me all the time now (this is a relatively new thing). He takes a little fold of my skin in between his front teeth (the little front teeth, not the fangs), and he slowly bites down, just enough so that my reflex makes me jerk away and go "OUCH!". If I don't jerk away, he will "hold" that pinch of my skin in his mouth until I pry him off. It's cute... it hurts a little, but it's cute. I love him to pieces! Doobie, on the other hand, always follows me into the bathroom, but he's just out for the toilet paper, not really interested in me so much as the "yummy yummy delicacy" he sees toilet papers as. Most of them used to follow me in there at times, because the sink is right next to the toilet, and I'd turn the water on for them to drink out of it while I was sitting there, but now the bathtub has a leak and runs constantly, so the novelty has worn off. I wouldn't worry, it's pretty normal kitty behavior. Cat's habits change and evolve as they mature. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 9/5/2006
Re: Spencer update
Very well written, Nina. Peace to you. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 9/5/2006
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
FYI Leslie, FIP is totally unrelated to FELV, so Hepburn didn't succumb to the FELV either. :) http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/fip.html "Is FIP related to feline leukemia? FIP and feline leukemia are caused by different viruses. Some cats that have FIP may also be infected by the feline leukemia virus, but the diseases are two separate entities." Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 9/5/2006
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sorry my spelling sux!! Kelly
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I also have imipramine ( amyltriptaline)and extra also...Let me know ,, Kelly
Re: OT - Zack (amitriptyline - belinda)
Amitriptyline!? Really, what was the cat dosage for that? I get that already for myself, and it's only $9.00 a 30 day bottle! I wonder if that MIGHT help Zack's aggression? I could afford that... Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 9/5/2006
Re: OT - Zack (explanation of my situation)
Well his OWNERS were going to kill him JUST for being FIV+, before I offered his LAST CHANCE to come here to join the FERAL colony OUTSIDE. I am happy to try the medication, a list member (bless you!) is sending me a trial of her cat's prozac to try on Zack, if it works, great, but I can't guarantee I'll be able to afford it long term. I WELCOME DONATIONS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP. I am getting custody of my VERY troubled son on the 18th, and he requires therapy, prescription drugs, counseling, special education, and constant supervision (he is 12, has the emotional maturity of a 10 year old, severe ADD, behavior issues, is under the care of a psychiatrist, and is failing miserably in school). I have no insurance, and may not qualify for state coverage for my son due to my income (and I work about 50 hours a week, so where I will find the time for this is beyond me - adding to my stress). I may have to QUIT one of my jobs in order to qualify for state assistance, and have enough time to raise my son. I can find the time to pill Zack every day (somehow), the problem is affording the medication. I still owe about $1400 for the last 5 year's income taxes, I have to pay $650 rent every month, and we ALL have to eat. The check engine light keeps coming on in my car, I just had to buy tires ($194), as the olds ones were unsafe, and my registration ($80) is due by the end of the month. I have to BUILD a wall to create a bedroom so all household members will have some extent of privacy. That's estimated at about $150. I still don't have a BED for my son to sleep on. If anyone would be willing to SPONSOR Zack, I would be very happy to put him on medication that might help his aggression. If I do NOT find a cure for him, TWELVE or more OTHER cats may FREEZE to DEATH this winter, as Zack will not allow them to access the insulated shelter. Personally, I think it's more responsible to euthanize ONE cat HUMANELY than to let TWELVE others FREEZE to death. That is where I am at. I can't afford to put another cat on an expensive prescription drug at this time (Mythic's is already $35 a month). Normally, in this situation, I would get offline, and work MORE, like 60 hours a week, and catch up, but I NEED to be home with my son now, so I'm totally lost as to how I'm going to accomplish all of this. The only reason I'm on here tonight is because my boss from my second job called me at dinner time and asked me to NOT come into work tonight. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 9/5/2006
Re: Fwd: SAMe for cats
Buddie my liver cancer kitty was getting SAMe for her liver and and I know of a few other cancer kitties that get it. Buddie didn't get it for long because she was a problem piller and SAMe isn't suppose to be cut up. She did get milk thistle which I could put through her feeding tube. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...
The most incredible tear-jerker came for me more than a year ago. A foster kitten had to be euthanized because of wet FIP. I received a card from my vet's office. They had made a donation in her name. (I'm tearing up right now. Gotta stop that. I'm at work.) Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world.If you have men who will exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PMSubject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...> My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs> signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good.>> :)> Wendy>> --- kandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>>> As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken>> Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away>> after she tested positive. I had spent weeks>> looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to>> try this one, when she became ill and needed to be>> seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets>> office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I>> had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost>> Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence>> card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that>> was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do>> that? It was very comforting to me.>> ->> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make>> PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.>>> __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around> http://mail.yahoo.com>
Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...
My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to... My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good. :) Wendy --- kandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lucy again
At 07:09 AM 9/6/2006, you wrote: Most vets have access to current medication and Budesonide is used by many these days, Perhaps if you take her /him in the literature he will use it, Kelly Thanks. Yes, I asked for Budesonide, but my local vet has never used it and will not give it to me. If I have to take her to the specialist that is on my list of things to ask for, but she is so god-awful in the car and gets so stressed out by it that I do not want to do the long car trip if not completely necessary. I know 7.5 is not that high in terms of what they can tolerate, but it is pretty high for her to still relapse. She has never relapsed while on that much before. That is what worries me. Thanks again, Michelle In a message dated 9/5/2006 11:42:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:10 AM 9/5/2006, you wrote: Try to remember that cats tolerate Prednisone so much better than dogs,and 7.5 is not that high, Have you asked for Budesonide???It is a steroid that work on the GI system without systemic effects,,,My IBD kitty has been on it,,, All good wishes and thoughts to you and Lucy Kelly No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
Have you had her 'fixed'? If not, that could be the problem. Or is she nuzzling on your face and she kneads her paws? I have another girl that started nuzzling about 1 year after her twin brother passed away. Chris - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior On 9/6/06, Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When we brought Bruiser home, he did the biting thing. He has been with us a year now and the biting has stopped. The vet suggested he was doing it because he was insecure. It made sense. As to your other problem, one of my first kitties was that way. He always had to follow me into the bathroom. No one could figure this one out. Chris I really hope my baby girl is not insecure. I tell her how much I love her every single day. She's been with me since she was 9 weeks old. Now I feel bad, I hope that is not it. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006
What our cats do when we're not at home (was: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
Hi All, I received this from another list I'm on. It's nearly 3 mins. long -- video clip of cat and commode. Thought you might enjoy it. http://pagentsprogress.com/?p=281 Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:50:20 + > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. > > Leslie, > You made me spit out my Diet Coke! I often wonder if they are sitting at home > with their paws propped up on my coffee table, if they are it's not out of > self pity, it's more out of feeling entitled. I suspect they are more into > Oprah then Ricki, but you never know. > You have a great attitude! > Maggie
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
Leslie, You made me spit out my Diet Coke! I often wonder if they are sitting at home with their paws propped up on my coffee table, if they are it's not out of self pity, it's more out of feeling entitled. I suspect they are more into Oprah then Ricki, but you never know. You have a great attitude! Maggie -- Original message -- From: Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kayte, My first FeLV+ cat was also the first cat that I ever owned on my own. I'd grown up with all sorts of critters, but it took a few years after graduating college to finally get in a situation where I could own my first "all mine" pet. I'd been wanting this cat forever. I found Sushi at a shelter, she was 2 years old and demanded that I take her home that very instant. I L-O-V-E-D that cat. The shelter had tested for leukemia and FIV before I adopted her and she'd tested negative. One month after having her home, she was very lethargic. I ran with her in a carrier to a vet that I'd seen near my apartment, but I'd never met. This was New York City (Queens), so not having a car, and not wanting to subject a cat to a subway ride, I was pretty limited in my vet choices. The vet was an ass. He had no bedside manner. He made me feel like the whole situation was my fault. He'd HAVE to rehydrate, he'd HAVE to do bloodwork, he'd HAVE to keep her during the day - like I wasn't going to be paying him for his efforts. I was in tears, which didn't make him respect me any more. Quite frankly, he scared the hell out of me, and as it's all of our deepest fears that it really IS our fault , I was a mess. He retested her for FeLV+ (she'd been rescued from a house full of cats, so may have been exposed close to rescue and the first testing). I took her home as she'd perked back up, the fluids really helped, and she rebounded fully. Despite this, when he called to tell me that she was positive and anemic and had "maybe" a month to live, told me to expect to see rapid deterioration, blah, blah, blah, I was again distraught. The next week, against the back drop of her romping around and talking to herself, chasing bits of dust, knocking things over (her favorite was to knock my glass of water onto me at night), trying to escape, I called everyone that I knew hysterically telling them that my cat was dying. The vet said so. Eventually, emotionally spent. I hung up the phone, slumped down against the wall and lethargically, tearfully gazed over at her across the room. Making eye contact, she marched over and placed a World Cup worthy head butt against my pathetic forehead. I giggled. And I realized that I was being a dumass. Maybe she had this disease. Maybe she was dying, but who of us isn't? She wasn't dead, and I was wasting time being a melodramatic human. So instead of focusing on how she was going to die, I focused on how she was going to live. I didn't have any support, but I found a raw feeding list and, though I didn't switch to raw for a while, I started researching the feline diet. And I put her on a better food. And I moved into the city and found a good vet. I took her in for check-ups and loved the heck out of that cat until she passed two years after I'd adopted her of a heart attack (myocardial infarction). Yes, my life infarcted at that point, and I still miss my sweet marshmallow-y friend, who would lay on my arm at night and purr, and gaze into my eyes like she was proud of me. But she'd led me to another positive cat to adopt, Hepburn. And Hepburn led me to Satchmo that I have today (also positive). And Sushi, after all, after all that that jerk vet said, never did deterioriate. Never did succomb to the leukemia. I owned Hep for 2 1/2 years, she did die of FIP, which was probably leukemia related, but I'd gotten her as an older kitten, so even there, she was on the high end of her life expectency and she, too, was an amazing, happy, healthy cat until the end. Satch I've had for two years now, I adopted him at 5 years old, so we don't know when he was exposed to the virus, but he's the biggest, stompiest guy you'll ever have the pleasure of meeting, and other than being susceptible to URI's (which as long as I don't bring home sick kittens that already have URI's) hasn't been any problem. I have high hopes for him going a very long time. And I'm thinking of adopting him a friend - either a positive kitten or a negative adult cat - once he stops coughing. I know that this has been long, and work is piling up, but I just wanted to tell you my story. Let you know that I understand what you're feeling, but take your cues from Crackers. Is he laying around in dirty pajamas, watching Ricki Lake, stumbling amongst empty Chinese take out cartons, wondering "why me?" This is a terrible illness, but not one that is powerful enough to take the good times away while they are here. Get a new vet. Pinpoint when Crackers was exposed. What happened to Pokemon? Was she po
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
On 9/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am located in new jersey..south jersey..when i first found pokemon she was skinny but showed no sick symptoms at all...she had a pink collar on and was so friendly and her fur very long was clean and she smelled so good...she was hungry and in a few months plumped up but still was small...i posted her on the web as a found cat..and checked the newspaper for lost cats she had 8 toes on each foot and i couldn't find the owner...after a while she became part of our family...loved to play and purr and she loved water and LOVED to eat...i was so naive..now my stomach is in knots because i blame myself for cracker sickness...my vet x vet is terrible basically says to throw in the towel but i cant..he told me i am just in denial and there is nothing to do...he didn't mention anything about blood test to count cells or anything...i have read every post on here im thinking about sending it to him the fool I wish you had found us before Pokemon was PTS, but please, please find a better vet. I live in Texas but perhaps someone can recommend one in your area? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
I would call around and try to find a vet that has or is treating other cats with the virus. I had to change vets with my cat Smokey because the vet I had been using for 15 years didn't seem to want to treat him. I don't know alot about the virus as Smokey is the first cat I have had that was positive. The new vet has told me that it is possible for a cat to fight off the virus. It may be a low percentage but there is a chance. I just had Smokey retested after 7 months unfortunatley he was still positive. Is Crackers sick now? Is that why you had Crackers tested? Cindy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > after i called the vet over 20 times he finally > answered and said yes > crackers IFA is positivei asked him can he throw > the virus...the vet said no > the IFA confirms he is full blown luekemia...i said > what should i do,...he said > there is nothing to do...my baby crackers is 5yrs > old and has never been sick > ever with anything and I WONT GIVE UP!!!...i cant > believe this vet..MAKE > THAT MY EX VET...i am looking for another vet and > will not go back to him...ok > you wonderful people are my guardians..i will do > anything suggested..money is > not a factor when it comes to my baby...i will do > anything please respond > please is this IFA final or should i retest? > kayte > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: OT- Strange kitty behavior
Maybe you just taste good. ;-) I know a lot of the affection I get from my chest fungus (she sits high), Missy, is because of skin salt... Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley SaveikaSent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:19 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior On 9/6/06, Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When we brought Bruiser home, he did the biting thing. He has been with us a year now and the biting has stopped. The vet suggested he was doing it because he was insecure. It made sense. As to your other problem, one of my first kitties was that way. He always had to follow me into the bathroom. No one could figure this one out. Chris I really hope my baby girl is not insecure. I tell her how much I love her every single day. She's been with me since she was 9 weeks old. Now I feel bad, I hope that is not it. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Immuno regulin
Smokey was running high fevers. I think the highest was around 106 or 107. I was having to take him to the vet every 2 or 3 days which he hated. The vet would keep him overnight to get his fever down which he hated. This was before we knew he was positive. They tested him again and this time he was positive. I ended up changing vets for Smokey and the new vet is the one that started him on the equistim back in March. So far he hasn't had anymore fevers. I think we are going to cut him back even more. We are going to try a shot every other week and see how he does. I am a little nervous about doing it. Cindy --- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you start the immunoregulin because he WAS > asymptomatic and now he's better? > > tonya > > cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We first started Smokey on 2 shots per week subq. > He > is now on 1 shot per week subq. I am not sure about > the dosage. I can look when I get home though. The > vet fixes the shots up for me and I keep them in the > refrigerator. > > Cindy > > --- Susan Loesch > wrote: > > > Cindy, are you doing subQ shots or is the vet > doing > > IV? What is the protocol? I have seen .2cc every > > day for 4 days, then .2cc once a week for 4 weeks, > > then .2cc monthly. Have also seen .4cc once a day > > for 4 days, .4cc once a week for 4 weeks and .4cc > > every 4 months. I have a feleuk baby I want to > > start on immunoregulin but can't settle on a > > protocol. Thanks. Susan > > > > cindy reasoner wrote: I > > have had good results so far with immuno-regulin. > > The vet started my Smokey on shots several months > > back. He is positive and kept on getting fevers. > He > > hasn't had a fever since March. Smokey started > > gaining > > weight and right now he seems to be doing really > > good. > > I keep my fingers crossed this will continue. > > > > Cindy > > > > --- kelly wrote: > > > > > I have not been here for years,,,I have a new > > kitten > > > 8 mos,,Pos on > > > the ELISA, ( FELV) ,no IFA yet, He is sort of > > > visiting, Male..He will > > > be going with a new famly hopefully shortly but > I > > am > > > interested in > > > getting him started on some immune boosters, My > > vet > > > said that they > > > have stopped the clinical trials on Immuno > Regulin > > > because there were > > > no documented benefits,,, > > > I had used Alpha Interferon many years ago but > > that > > > did not help. > > > Anyone with opinions I would appreciate, > > > Thanks > > > Kelly > > > www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
On 9/6/06, Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When we brought Bruiser home, he did the biting thing. He has been with us a year now and the biting has stopped. The vet suggested he was doing it because he was insecure. It made sense. As to your other problem, one of my first kitties was that way. He always had to follow me into the bathroom. No one could figure this one out. Chris I really hope my baby girl is not insecure. I tell her how much I love her every single day. She's been with me since she was 9 weeks old. Now I feel bad, I hope that is not it. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
Re: To Cindy Re: Smokey
Thank you for answering me back. Smokey had been tested back in February and the vet told me the test came back as a strong positive for feline leukemia. I took him to the vet on Saturday and had him retested and had a cbc done on him. The test came back positive. The vet said it was in between strong and faint positive. Whatever that means. I told her that the first test came back as a strong positive. I changed vets after I found out Smokey was positive because my old vet was helping him. So this was the first time his new vet had tested him. He had a cbc done back in March with his new vet but we did another one on Saturday. The vet said his bloodwork really looked good. Everything was in the normal range. She didn't tell me the name of the test they used but it was all done in the vet's office. Cindy --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Cindy, > > I am not sure if anyone answered this email or not. > They might have thought it was regarding the other > Smokey and not even opened it. I am not sure what > test is the most definitive, but if you repost and > ask > with that in the subject line, I know you will get > some answers if you haven't already. Did you > already > have Smokey tested? If so, how did it go and which > test did the vet use? Did you have bloodwork done? > I > think unless he's sick, that you only need to do > blood > work once a year. And I'm not sure that everyone > even > does it that often. Hope this helps. > > :) > Wendy > > --- cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I had a few questions regarding my Smokey. I am > > taking > > him to the vet tomorrow to be retested for feline > > leukemia. He hasn't been tested since February. I > > have > > read about some of the different types of test. > > Which > > test is the best? He hasn't had a complete blood > > count > > done since March. Should I have another one done > on > > him? He seems to be doing good right now. He is > > eating > > good and he is playing. I haven't been able to > read > > alot of the post on the list lately because work > has > > been very very hectic. My boss had a heart attack > > so > > it has been very busy with him out. He is doing > > better now. To all of you that have lost your > > babies > > I am so sorry. All of you were so kind to me when > my > > Stinky passed away and gave me great info. when > > Smokey > > tested positive. You all gave me hope that just > > because a cat test positive for feline leukemia it > > isn't an immediate death sentence like many vets > > tell > > you. Thank you. > > > > Cindy > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
When we brought Bruiser home, he did the biting thing. He has been with us a year now and the biting has stopped. The vet suggested he was doing it because he was insecure. It made sense. As to your other problem, one of my first kitties was that way. He always had to follow me into the bathroom. No one could figure this one out. Chris - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: OT- Strange kitty behavior My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd). She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night. Does anyone know why she might be doing this?-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006
Re: Spencer update
Thank you Leslie and everyone that has been sending kind thoughts and posts. You're right Wendy, Leslie's email has made me feel "better". It's so very comforting to know that others understand and are compassionate about what we're going through. Spencer has not come home and I haven't been able to find him. I am making peace with the fact that I am no longer "leader" in his care and my sorrow is somewhat lessened believing that this was his choice. It hasn't stopped me from stirring from my bed several times last night to walk quietly outside and call to him. I'm still asking my other animals if they know where he is. A couple of them seem to be telling me he's not coming back. There was a moment yesterday morning before I left that passed between Spencer and I, something in his eyes that seemed to be saying goodbye, or please, it wasn't clear, but it was powerful. I shook it off because I wanted to remain optimistic and because I didn't know what to do with the feeling. Maybe, as Leslie so eloquently describes, I did know. Maybe that's why I left that door open. I have no idea how many times I've written or told others that we of a different species don't view things the same way as our fur children, that they have a different perception of the world, different needs to fulfill. So much easier to say, even easier to know, then to feel. This is the very first time that an animal has chosen to physically separate themselves from my presence when they are in such a precarious state. It is very difficult to bear, but the thought of him having what he needs, the quiet and solitude that I couldn't give him, does help ease the pain a little. One of the ACs described the spot he found for himself... Shady with plants, green, mossy and cool, she said he was breathing in the oxygen from the plants and feeling very peaceful. She described the area enough for me to imagine he could be talking about my immediate neighbor's yard. She said it had a zen-like feeling and that there was only one person that lived in the house. You better believe I've searched high and low in that yard. I've often commented to the older lady that lives there, (alone btw), what a good feeling her yard has, calm and serene. No matter how long my time on this earth is, I'll never stop being grateful to my fur friends for the lessons they provide.I will also never understand why the most important lessons are so often accompanied by tears. One of the feelings among the many that are coursing through me right now is gratitude. Gratitude with tears. Maybe that should be the name of the book of essays I finally put together in order to share my journey with others. Thank you once again for letting me ramble. Thank you for always being there. With much love and appreciation, Nina Leslie wrote: Ah Nina, please do not feel repentant or sad, Spencer has found the energy to communicate directly and compassionately to you. If there is one thing that we can not lose it is faith in these cats to know life in a way that is much simpler and purer than we can. You have been open to his desires and loving to his needs and passionate about leading him where you believe that he wants to go. Now, with the strength from who knows where, he is again leading. Don't stop looking, but be gentle and understanding in your efforts. I often look back at situations and am baffled by something that I said/did, or didn't say/do, that was really out of character. I reflect on how there was a little voice saying, "this is weird", or the absence of the little voice that would normally be speaking, but the outcome, couldn't have happened unless I acted as I had. I feel in these circumstances that these are the times that something greater has stepped in. Mitichlorians (from Star Wars - the "force"), God, fate, chance, I don't know the word for it, but it happens. Something that even in ourselves can not be explained as to why we did something, I believe to have been influenced by something larger. You were open to Spencer communicating with you. Nina, she of continual words of love and advice and understanding to us, he has. I so hope that this doesn't seem harsh. I am crying now writing it to you, I am all on board with fist shaking and wanting to be selfish and wanting to be selfish and wanting to be selfish and not let them go. You have helped me so much through my recent time of pain, I just want to send the biggest hug through the computer to you, put my hands on your shoulders and just let you know that you have not acted for a second in any way that wasn't the kindest, most loving, and compassionate towards Spencer, nor are you now in your tears and your searching, and to let you know that he knows that. You took him to the vet for momentary pain to make things better, he would never put you through momentary pain either unless it was to eventually
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
Toward the end of Quintapus' life, he would regularly wake me up every 2-3 hrs. with a head butt...just to say "hi"I got used to it and eventually learned to go back to sleep rather quickly. The bathroom audienceyou are "still" there, so as far as she's concerned, its QUALITY TIME. As for the nipps...kitty kisses...just tell her softly.."stop" or "no"..or give her a little knuckle rub (kitty nuggies) between the ears and she'll prob. go lay back down. Good luck. Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd). She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night. Does anyone know why she might be doing this?-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
Kayte, My first FeLV+ cat was also the first cat that I ever owned on my own. I'd grown up with all sorts of critters, but it took a few years after graduating college to finally get in a situation where I could own my first "all mine" pet. I'd been wanting this cat forever. I found Sushi at a shelter, she was 2 years old and demanded that I take her home that very instant. I L-O-V-E-D that cat. The shelter had tested for leukemia and FIV before I adopted her and she'd tested negative. One month after having her home, she was very lethargic. I ran with her in a carrier to a vet that I'd seen near my apartment, but I'd never met. This was New York City (Queens), so not having a car, and not wanting to subject a cat to a subway ride, I was pretty limited in my vet choices. The vet was an ass. He had no bedside manner. He made me feel like the whole situation was my fault. He'd HAVE to rehydrate, he'd HAVE to do bloodwork, he'd HAVE to keep her during the day - like I wasn't going to be paying him for his efforts. I was in tears, which didn't make him respect me any more. Quite frankly, he scared the hell out of me, and as it's all of our deepest fears that it really IS our fault, I was a mess. He retested her for FeLV+ (she'd been rescued from a house full of cats, so may have been exposed close to rescue and the first testing). I took her home as she'd perked back up, the fluids really helped, and she rebounded fully. Despite this, when he called to tell me that she was positive and anemic and had "maybe" a month to live, told me to expect to see rapid deterioration, blah, blah, blah, I was again distraught. The next week, against the back drop of her romping around and talking to herself, chasing bits of dust, knocking things over (her favorite was to knock my glass of water onto me at night), trying to escape, I called everyone that I knew hysterically telling them that my cat was dying. The vet said so. Eventually, emotionally spent. I hung up the phone, slumped down against the wall and lethargically, tearfully gazed over at her across the room. Making eye contact, she marched over and placed a World Cup worthy head butt against my pathetic forehead. I giggled. And I realized that I was being a dumass. Maybe she had this disease. Maybe she was dying, but who of us isn't? She wasn't dead, and I was wasting time being a melodramatic human. So instead of focusing on how she was going to die, I focused on how she was going to live. I didn't have any support, but I found a raw feeding list and, though I didn't switch to raw for a while, I started researching the feline diet. And I put her on a better food. And I moved into the city and found a good vet. I took her in for check-ups and loved the heck out of that cat until she passed two years after I'd adopted her of a heart attack (myocardial infarction). Yes, my life infarcted at that point, and I still miss my sweet marshmallow-y friend, who would lay on my arm at night and purr, and gaze into my eyes like she was proud of me. But she'd led me to another positive cat to adopt, Hepburn. And Hepburn led me to Satchmo that I have today (also positive). And Sushi, after all, after all that that jerk vet said, never did deterioriate. Never did succomb to the leukemia. I owned Hep for 2 1/2 years, she did die of FIP, which was probably leukemia related, but I'd gotten her as an older kitten, so even there, she was on the high end of her life expectency and she, too, was an amazing, happy, healthy cat until the end. Satch I've had for two years now, I adopted him at 5 years old, so we don't know when he was exposed to the virus, but he's the biggest, stompiest guy you'll ever have the pleasure of meeting, and other than being susceptible to URI's (which as long as I don't bring home sick kittens that already have URI's) hasn't been any problem. I have high hopes for him going a very long time. And I'm thinking of adopting him a friend - either a positive kitten or a negative adult cat - once he stops coughing. I know that this has been long, and work is piling up, but I just wanted to tell you my story. Let you know that I understand what you're feeling, but take your cues from Crackers. Is he laying around in dirty pajamas, watching Ricki Lake, stumbling amongst empty Chinese take out cartons, wondering "why me?" This is a terrible illness, but not one that is powerful enough to take the good times away while they are here. Get a new vet. Pinpoint when Crackers was exposed. What happened to Pokemon? Was she positive? Put Crackers on a good diet - there are lots to choose from ranging from Max Cat to raw feeding - expensive doesn't always mean good, nor does the fact of it being sold out of a vet's office. Do some reading about which ingredients should be there and which shouldn't. A lot of people supplement, again anywhere from Vitamin C to ImmunoReglin. There is no one path to follow, just
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
On 9/6/06, Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: are they nibbles? have you tried to redirect her attention with scritching or brushing? how old is she? My Bandit used to ALWAYS curl up on my lap in my nightshirt when I was using the facilities - he doesn't as much these days, but hey, you're a captive audience when there. She's turning a year this month. Strange thing is she never used to do this. I haven't tried brushing her but I'm trying to go to sleep. Yes, they are nibbles..she's so cute:) -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior
are they nibbles? have you tried to redirect her attention with scritching or brushing? how old is she? My Bandit used to ALWAYS curl up on my lap in my nightshirt when I was using the facilities - he doesn't as much these days, but hey, you're a captive audience when there.Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd). She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night. Does anyone know why she might be doing this?-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
OT- Strange kitty behavior
My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd). She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night. Does anyone know why she might be doing this?-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
To Leslie Re: Spencer update
Very well said Leslie. Nina can't help but feel better after reading this post. Mitichlorian thought to you too, whatever those are. hehe. :) Wendy --- Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah Nina, please do not feel repentant or sad, > Spencer has found the energy > to communicate directly and compassionately to you. > If there is one thing > that we can not lose it is faith in these cats to > know life in a way that is > much simpler and purer than we can. You have been > open to his desires and > loving to his needs and passionate about leading him > where you believe that > he wants to go. Now, with the strength from who > knows where, he is again > leading. Don't stop looking, but be gentle and > understanding in your > efforts. > > I often look back at situations and am baffled by > something that I said/did, > or didn't say/do, that was really out of character. > I reflect on how there > was a little voice saying, "this is weird", or the > absence of the little > voice that would normally be speaking, but the > outcome, couldn't have > happened unless I acted as I had. I feel in these > circumstances that these > are the times that something greater has stepped in. > Mitichlorians (from > Star Wars - the "force"), God, fate, chance, I don't > know the word for it, > but it happens. Something that even in ourselves > can not be explained as to > why we did something, I believe to have been > influenced by something larger. > > You were open to Spencer communicating with you. > Nina, she of continual > words of love and advice and understanding to us, he > has. > > I so hope that this doesn't seem harsh. I am crying > now writing it to you, > I am all on board with fist shaking and wanting to > be selfish and wanting to > be selfish and wanting to be selfish and not let > them go. You have helped > me so much through my recent time of pain, I just > want to send the biggest > hug through the computer to you, put my hands on > your shoulders and just let > you know that you have not acted for a second in any > way that wasn't the > kindest, most loving, and compassionate towards > Spencer, nor are you now in > your tears and your searching, and to let you know > that he knows that. You > took him to the vet for momentary pain to make > things better, he would never > put you through momentary pain either unless it was > to eventually make > things better. He would NEVER want you to feel > guilt for letting him choose > what to do next. > > It's true, you don't know what is happening with > him, but on a deeper level, > you do know. And you know that whatever occurs, he > is with you and he is > okay. He is stronger than we are and he is thanking > you for everything. > And we don't know what will happen. A quiet place > also means healing. The > vet wasn't able to determine what was happening in > him. Maybe Spencer knows > and knows that he needs to be alone for a while to > heal. I have heard of > this happening. Every time I've gone to force feed > one of mine, I think of > a story that a friend told me of a cat she owned > decades ago that didn't eat > for 5 days. This was before everyone "knew" to > force feed. Her cat > secluded herself, ran a fever, didn't eat until she > came out of the fast, > the fever broken, and started to chow down. Even in > a situation that we > know that we know, before we were so certain, life > still acted as it will. > > Don't lose faith in your friend, and don't lose > faith in yourself. > > I hope that all is well with you both. Strong > mitichlorian thoughts in your > direction. > > Leslie > > > > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:21:53 -0700 > > From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Spencer update > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > I have awful news. Spencer has gone missing. > It's completely my fault, > > I don't know what I was thinking. I left for > appointments this morning > > and deliberately left the door open for the dogs > and cats. I've been > > doing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very > sick, I know that cats > > can decide to find a quiet place to pass on their > own, yet I left the > > door open. In the six months that Spencer has > been with us he rarely > > goes outside and when he does it's to keep me > company in the yard. > > Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a > puppy. I can only fear > > the worst. I talked with a couple of ACs and they > said that he was > > looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in > very short supply > > around this madhouse. I've been combing the > bushes and going through > > the neighbor's yards all day. If he's still > moving, if he wants to, I'm > > praying that he'll come home. It even went > through my mind to shut him > > up before I left this morning, but I didn't think > he'd be moving off his > > bed much and I don't know, I di
Re: Spencer update
Oh Nina, I am so sorry you are in such pain. I am sure that Spencer would not want that. Hugs to you.
To Nina re Spencer
Nina, I am so sorry to hear that Spencer is missing. Have you been able to find him yet? I know you probably feel terrible right now for him. If you go outside and just sit down and talk to him, he's probably so close, he'll be able to hear you. I hope you are able to find him. :) Wendy --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have awful news. Spencer has gone missing. It's > completely my fault, > I don't know what I was thinking. I left for > appointments this morning > and deliberately left the door open for the dogs and > cats. I've been > doing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very > sick, I know that cats > can decide to find a quiet place to pass on their > own, yet I left the > door open. In the six months that Spencer has been > with us he rarely > goes outside and when he does it's to keep me > company in the yard. > Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a > puppy. I can only fear > the worst. I talked with a couple of ACs and they > said that he was > looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in > very short supply > around this madhouse. I've been combing the bushes > and going through > the neighbor's yards all day. If he's still moving, > if he wants to, I'm > praying that he'll come home. It even went through > my mind to shut him > up before I left this morning, but I didn't think > he'd be moving off his > bed much and I don't know, I didn't really process > this thought, but I > didn't want him to feel like a prisoner either. > He's been so good > through his illness. The vets last night kept > commenting about how > sweet he was, I just hated to force anything on him. > > > I just wanted to let you all know. I can't think of > a punishment graver > than not knowing what happened to him. I'm doing my > best to not think > of this in terms of punishment at all, just what is. > It's too late to > close the barn door now. I've gone through the > frantic mode of finding > him gone, been crying as I search, right now I'm > feeling really numb. > When I called Bruce at work to tell him, he asked me > why I would want to > have forced him to die in the house with us if > that's not what he > wanted. I could only come up with selfish answers > for that one. The > hardest part of all this is that I may never know. > I'm still praying > that he walks in the door. > > Feeling repentant and very very sad, > Nina > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Spencer update
Ah Nina, please do not feel repentant or sad, Spencer has found the energy to communicate directly and compassionately to you. If there is one thing that we can not lose it is faith in these cats to know life in a way that is much simpler and purer than we can. You have been open to his desires and loving to his needs and passionate about leading him where you believe that he wants to go. Now, with the strength from who knows where, he is again leading. Don't stop looking, but be gentle and understanding in your efforts. I often look back at situations and am baffled by something that I said/did, or didn't say/do, that was really out of character. I reflect on how there was a little voice saying, "this is weird", or the absence of the little voice that would normally be speaking, but the outcome, couldn't have happened unless I acted as I had. I feel in these circumstances that these are the times that something greater has stepped in. Mitichlorians (from Star Wars - the "force"), God, fate, chance, I don't know the word for it, but it happens. Something that even in ourselves can not be explained as to why we did something, I believe to have been influenced by something larger. You were open to Spencer communicating with you. Nina, she of continual words of love and advice and understanding to us, he has. I so hope that this doesn't seem harsh. I am crying now writing it to you, I am all on board with fist shaking and wanting to be selfish and wanting to be selfish and wanting to be selfish and not let them go. You have helped me so much through my recent time of pain, I just want to send the biggest hug through the computer to you, put my hands on your shoulders and just let you know that you have not acted for a second in any way that wasn't the kindest, most loving, and compassionate towards Spencer, nor are you now in your tears and your searching, and to let you know that he knows that. You took him to the vet for momentary pain to make things better, he would never put you through momentary pain either unless it was to eventually make things better. He would NEVER want you to feel guilt for letting him choose what to do next. It's true, you don't know what is happening with him, but on a deeper level, you do know. And you know that whatever occurs, he is with you and he is okay. He is stronger than we are and he is thanking you for everything. And we don't know what will happen. A quiet place also means healing. The vet wasn't able to determine what was happening in him. Maybe Spencer knows and knows that he needs to be alone for a while to heal. I have heard of this happening. Every time I've gone to force feed one of mine, I think of a story that a friend told me of a cat she owned decades ago that didn't eat for 5 days. This was before everyone "knew" to force feed. Her cat secluded herself, ran a fever, didn't eat until she came out of the fast, the fever broken, and started to chow down. Even in a situation that we know that we know, before we were so certain, life still acted as it will. Don't lose faith in your friend, and don't lose faith in yourself. I hope that all is well with you both. Strong mitichlorian thoughts in your direction. Leslie Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:21:53 -0700From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Spencer updateTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedI have awful news. Spencer has gone missing. It's completely my fault,I don't know what I was thinking. I left for appointments this morning and deliberately left the door open for the dogs and cats. I've beendoing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very sick, I know that catscan decide to find a quiet place to pass on their own, yet I left the door open. In the six months that Spencer has been with us he rarelygoes outside and when he does it's to keep me company in the yard.Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a puppy. I can only fearthe worst. I talked with a couple of ACs and they said that he was looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in very short supplyaround this madhouse. I've been combing the bushes and going throughthe neighbor's yards all day. If he's still moving, if he wants to, I'm praying that he'll come home. It even went through my mind to shut himup before I left this morning, but I didn't think he'd be moving off hisbed much and I don't know, I didn't really process this thought, but I didn't want him to feel like a prisoner either. He's been so goodthrough his illness. The vets last night kept commenting about howsweet he was, I just hated to force anything on him.I just wanted to let you all know. I can't think of a punishment graver than not knowing what happened to him. I'm doing my best to not thinkof this in terms of punishment at all, just what is. It's too late toclose the barn door now. I've gone through the frantic mode of finding
Re: Inky update - Belinda
Hi Kerry, Keep an eye on how much he is peeing, Fred pees ALOT and that's another reason I have to give him the additional fluids, he also drinks pretty good and I add water to his food. He is barely concentrating his urine, not good, so he really needs the fluids. I do know there is a cat on the CRF list that reacted like Inky is, feeling worse after the fluids, she (kitties Mom) just wrote yesterday to say after about a week and a half they are seeing a difference and their cats is acting more normal and doesn't feel bad anymore after fluids. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Kitty Prozac (was OT - Zack
Peepers gets 5 mg of prozac daily. Emailed this infoo to Phaeryn off-list but wanted to share it with the group. We stopped ordering the prozac through my vet and started ordering online. I buy the generic 20 mg tablets and cut into quarters. This gives me a 400 day supply for $42. Go to http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=prozac&bysearch=ok I have ordered various meds from this web site without a prescription on multiple ocassions and they are very very reliable. Takes 10-14 days to get your order though because they are based in Thailand. BTW, Fluoxetine is simply the generic name for Prozac. Kitty prozac and people prozac is the same medication. Only the dosage is different. And, uh, it does seem to work for spraying and inappropriate urination (the center of my bed on a daily basis is the height of "inappropriate"). I have a one-year old foster boy, neutered but with strong alpha tendencies, who started peeing on my bed and my roommate's clothes when the last group of foster kittens arrived. Last night was day three of his prozac andknock on wood...all is good.Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is what Cody was getting kitty Prozac for, it worked very well. It is called Fluoxetine, we tried others first, Amitriptyline, there was another but I can't remember the name, they all worked to some extent, but the Fluoxetine was what finally completely stopped the spraying.> I never seem to be able to get in and out of the vet's office for > under $100. Do you think it would eliminate the spraying issue too?-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: To Sherry Re: Pics of my boys
Thanks Wendy he is a sweetie.Goofy,stinky but sweet!! :)wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sherry,Your newest addition is just beautiful!!!:)Wendy--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Hi all I know that some of you have seen 2 of my> boys,but my newest Xander I have added to my photo> albums.If you would like to have a look I will add> the website at the bottom.I know everyone hears me> talk about Maizee,she is the reason that I have all> you wonderful people in my life now.A sad way to> find new friends but I am so happy to have you all> to help support me in my sanctuary> volunteering.Losing those precious babies are almost> just as hard as when Maizee passed.I beleve that she> was in my life for only a short time to lead me to> what I do now for all these other babies in need of> love(thank you baby girl :) ) Ok enough of my> jibberish. Lots of prayers to everyones furkids in> need of them.I hope you enjoy the pics of my fur> kids.> Sherry and the boyz> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos> > > > > -> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low> PC-to-Phone call rates.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
To Sherry Re: Pics of my boys
Sherry, Your newest addition is just beautiful!!! :) Wendy --- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all I know that some of you have seen 2 of my > boys,but my newest Xander I have added to my photo > albums.If you would like to have a look I will add > the website at the bottom.I know everyone hears me > talk about Maizee,she is the reason that I have all > you wonderful people in my life now.A sad way to > find new friends but I am so happy to have you all > to help support me in my sanctuary > volunteering.Losing those precious babies are almost > just as hard as when Maizee passed.I beleve that she > was in my life for only a short time to lead me to > what I do now for all these other babies in need of > love(thank you baby girl :) ) Ok enough of my > jibberish. Lots of prayers to everyones furkids in > need of them.I hope you enjoy the pics of my fur > kids. > Sherry and the boyz > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos > > > > > - > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low > PC-to-Phone call rates. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Cindy Re: Smokey
Hey Cindy, I am not sure if anyone answered this email or not. They might have thought it was regarding the other Smokey and not even opened it. I am not sure what test is the most definitive, but if you repost and ask with that in the subject line, I know you will get some answers if you haven't already. Did you already have Smokey tested? If so, how did it go and which test did the vet use? Did you have bloodwork done? I think unless he's sick, that you only need to do blood work once a year. And I'm not sure that everyone even does it that often. Hope this helps. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a few questions regarding my Smokey. I am > taking > him to the vet tomorrow to be retested for feline > leukemia. He hasn't been tested since February. I > have > read about some of the different types of test. > Which > test is the best? He hasn't had a complete blood > count > done since March. Should I have another one done on > him? He seems to be doing good right now. He is > eating > good and he is playing. I haven't been able to read > alot of the post on the list lately because work has > been very very hectic. My boss had a heart attack > so > it has been very busy with him out. He is doing > better now. To all of you that have lost your > babies > I am so sorry. All of you were so kind to me when my > Stinky passed away and gave me great info. when > Smokey > tested positive. You all gave me hope that just > because a cat test positive for feline leukemia it > isn't an immediate death sentence like many vets > tell > you. Thank you. > > Cindy > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Inky update - Belinda
Hi, Inky just doesn't seem to tolerate the fluids, and I don't really know why..He isn't retaining any fluid as he pees alot..He is drinking around 300 to 400cc a day. I am giving him chicken broth all he wants...I measure all the fluids so I don't think he will dehydrate as long as he keeps drinking like this...I do add some water to the broth, too..I don't know if he is even drinking plain water much. The broth bowl goes empty regularly though..If he stops drinking then I will have to get the sub-q's for sure.. I just know when he gets fluids, he feels really bad for about 10 to 12 hrs..I would rather see him eating and drinking on his own than going off all of it for that time period..Does that make any sense?? I do understand how important the fluids are when you were talking about the kidney damage. When his thyroid profile was done the other day, it was in the normal range, too..as he is on 1/4 tapazole now for hyper-t He ate an entire can of chicken k/d yesterday and some grilled chicken breast.. I feed him french fries, too..strange as it may be it is a good way for me to give him his pills..He only weighs 5 lbs now..He has never been a large kitty always around 7.5. I just don't know what to do other than keep a close eye on him to make sure he drinks enough..Let me know what you think about how much fluid he drinks. Thanks again for your help, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Re: OT - Zack
This is what Cody was getting kitty Prozac for, it worked very well. It is called Fluoxetine, we tried others first, Amitriptyline, there was another but I can't remember the name, they all worked to some extent, but the Fluoxetine was what finally completely stopped the spraying. I never seem to be able to get in and out of the vet's office for under $100. Do you think it would eliminate the spraying issue too? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: OT - Zack
I know cats have territorial issues, but I think at the very least Zack should have the option of changing his thinking or dying. You could have a communicator talk to him. I think cats should be allowed to be cats. Who am I to try to go against their very nature by trying to make them co-inhabit the same territory? If cats were allowed to be cats, they wouldn't be domesticated, we made them that way and sometimes they have to learn things that are foreign to them in order to fit into the life we forced them to accept long, long ago. Cody still sprays in the house, he is much better and has periods where it picks up, when him and Fred and KC have a issue going on. For now I deal with it, but he knows if it gets to an unacceptable level, he will go back on the medication. He tries and is much, much better than when he got here, and I don't fool myself thinking it will ever completely stop, but I know it is the way he is wired, that and how his early life went. He knows the rules and how much I'll put up with, when I get to my breaking point he knows and he stops for a while. He is better, because he does most of the time tolerate Joey, he didn't tolerate anyone before, but he tries to push Fred and Fred ain't having it. KC puts him in line once in a while and he hates that, but him and Fred have the biggest issue, and it's not Fred always picking on him, they go back and forth. When it gets unusually stressed between them he gets me, but he knows just how long to wait so for now we deal with it but he knows that can change at any moment. I'm not saying any of this to be argumentative, I just can't agree and stay quiet about killing an animal because of a behavioral problem. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: i have never met people like you all
Thank you Kayte. That's very sweet of you to say. I'm pretty fond of everyone here myself. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have never met in my life people with more > compassion then you people...i > have no idea how you find the energy to adopt and > take care of sick > kitties...i have read every single post on here > that it let me go back to and the heart > break you all have had and are dealing with is > beyond words can > describe...yet you still console each other and > offer advice to newbies like me...may God > look over all of you and you loved ones and your > sweet "babies" and THANK > YOU so much..i barely know anything about these > sickness but if you EVER need > to talk please hit me up [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > kayte > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: crackers IFA was postive need help a.s.a.p.
Hi, My Bandy is FIV and Felv +. He was tested last August, 2005 which confirmed IFA postive for both..He is doing better right now than he has in almost a year..Our worst problem for the last few months has been ringworm...He has had recurring high fevers coming on about every 8 days with only dex to bring it down..but we have now been since Aug. 5 without an elevated temp...keeping our fingers crossed for that to stay down..He has been on interferon daily since July, 2005 and many, many supplements..I have alternated lots of things in the past year..but have never failed to give him bovine colostrum in all his meals..or at least twice a day now..He has anterior uveitis which we treat now once daily with steroid drops as he was almost blind back in May..but his eye specialist is really pleased with his progress with that..I guess it is due to either the FIV or Felv or both, I don't know..I do know he was almost blind at one point and now he can see. His pupils won't move though..they are stuck ( fixed ), but he can see. He is 6 yrs old and came to me in 2001 so I guess he was born with these diseases as he hasn't been outside since I took him in back in 2001. He had a urinary infection June, 2005 which is how all this came about cause we couldn't get it cleared up..He was on baytril for almost 10 months 1/2 dose..daily. Anyway, it is by no means a reason to give up on him..I have learned alot thru this group and you are right they are an incredible group of people... They also did many other tests on Bandy last year. sonogram and lots more blood work. He even took epogen for awhile cause his PCV was around 20..It is around 30 now and the anemia isn't causing him a problem right now..and that is what his internal med specialist said would be his fate..If I can be of any help, please email me if you want.. Hope Cracker is doing good today, Kerry, Bandy and Inky All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: OT - Zack
Well me personally, I'd rather be caged than dead, as long as your alive there is hope and a chance, not saying I'd like it but when your dead .. Did you ever get my email about medication, it really is a very good choice for some cats, Cody being one. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: i have never met people like you all
Title: Message me too--agree with everything Barb says (I lost my last positives on July 6, 2005). At the risk of sounding like a broken record, for the sake of "newbies": my remaining positive re-tested negative this year, and the one other cat that was negative and unvaccinated but came with and lived in intimate contact with all the positives has remained negative. I have the strong impression it's been very instructive for my vet. Who hopefully will spread the word that FeLV is not as contagious, or hopeless, as many vets think. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: i have never met people like you all Kayte, that's exactly why I'm still here 8 years (this weekend) after losing my FeLV+ girl. This is the best group of people I've ever encountered and there are a number of lurkers and old time members who may or may not still have a positive kitty, but who remain on the list because the list has become family and if there's a possibility that our past experiences could help a newbie, we're here. I love these people with all my being! barb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never met in my life people with more compassion then you people...i have no idea how you find the energy to adopt and take care of sick kitties...i have read every single post on here that it let me go back to and the heart break you all have had and are dealing with is beyond words can describe...yet you still console each other and offer advice to newbies like me...may God look over all of you and you loved ones and your sweet "babies" and THANK YOU so much..i barely know anything about these sickness but if you EVER need to talk please hit me up [EMAIL PROTECTED] kayteBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Lucy again
When they do leukeran, it is usually combined with pred. I don't think my local vet will ever prescribe leukeran for her. If it gets to that point, we will probably need to go to the specialist. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 9/5/2006 12:35:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, Good wishes going out for Lucy and you. I don't know about leukeran, but if she is probably going to be on it eventually anyway, and if your vet won't refill the Pred., maybe he will allow you to switch to leuk. now without the scope and see how that works? Hopefully she'll adjust to the slower taper and it won't be an issue... Best wishes, Beth
Re: Spencer update
Nina, It's the not knowing that is the hardest part! I am so sorry you (and Spencer) are going through this. I feel like there is nothing I can do to make you feel better, but do I hope that knowing that we are all out here with our stomach's in knots for you and that we are there in spirit with you gives you a little peace of mind. Maggie
Re: Lucy again
Thanks. Yes, I asked for Budesonide, but my local vet has never used it and will not give it to me. If I have to take her to the specialist that is on my list of things to ask for, but she is so god-awful in the car and gets so stressed out by it that I do not want to do the long car trip if not completely necessary. I know 7.5 is not that high in terms of what they can tolerate, but it is pretty high for her to still relapse. She has never relapsed while on that much before. That is what worries me. Thanks again, Michelle In a message dated 9/5/2006 11:42:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:10 AM 9/5/2006, you wrote:Try to remember that cats tolerate Prednisone so much better than dogs,and 7.5 is not that high, Have you asked for Budesonide???It is a steroid that work on the GI system without systemic effects,,,My IBD kitty has been on it,,,All good wishes and thoughts to you and LucyKelly
Re: vitamin c?
Hi Kayte, Yes, you can get several different varieties of Vit C at the health food store. You can even find them at most pharmacies and even some supermarkets now. It's for people, and the doses listed on the bottles are *generally* geared towards people weighing about 120 to 150 lbs - so if your kitty only weighs 12-15 lbs, divide by 10. Start on the low side and work your way up slowly to "tolerance" - too much too fast will cause diarrhea. Also, as far as vets go - Terri (one of our listmembers) swears by Dr. Emily Jarvis at the Carnegie Cat Clinic in Princeton, NJ. Michelle is also on this list and says her mom uses Martinsville Animal Clinic. She completely loves one of the three vets there, the only woman, Dr. Caille (pronounced kay-lee?). And this link will give you the AAFP list of cat-specific vets in NJ http://www.aafponline.org/find_results.php?name=&city=Any&state=NJ&country=USA&zipcode=&Submit=Submit (you can searh again with your zip code to narrow things down a bit) Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:50:47 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: vitamin c? > > ok hope this doesn't sound silly but where do i get vitamin c? like a health > store and how much do i give? > >
Re: Spencer update
Nina, he is probably hiding somewhere very close to the house. But he will probably also be hard to find if he does not want to be found. Bruce is right, you know. I understand your franticness, and I would feel exactly the same way. But what you really did, objectively, was give Spencer the choice of going where he wanted to go. If he does pass outside, it may be the most peaceful way for him to go. It is what they want, really. Still, I hope you find him. Mostly for you, I guess. I will be thinking and praying for both of you. Michelle
RE: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
Welcome! You will find a lot of very knowledgable people here. My two little girls are 10 months old and, according to conventional wisdom, shouldn't be here. My vet was surprised when I didn't want to euthanize them when they were diagnosed - one in May and the other in July, she had never had anyone who wanted to keep them. She is now very supportive and actually used my circumstances to talk another cat's owner into not euthanizing. My impression is that people think cats with FELV are suffering when that's not the case (unless, of course, they've picked up a virus or a disease that is causing them to suffer). I feed my girls a healthy diet, try to keep their lives pretty stress free and just let them be kittens. So far it's working. If I had the time I would go back and find out who in this group posted this first (I feel like quite the plagarist), but someone out there said that cats don't live for the future because they don't know what the future is. They don't know they are sick unless you fret and cry over them (which I certainly did at first!). They live for the moment and in the moment and whatever you can do to make that moment great is what matters most. Good luck to you and Crackers! I hope you live long healthy lives together! Maggie
RE: Spencer update
Nina, I am so sorry that Spencer is missing. I hope you find him, one way or another. (My Phoebe was a big hider all her life. When I first got her she went missing for 3 days in my messy apartment, which I turned upside down and concluded that somehow she must have slipped out. I finally found her by accident in the closet, lying along the coat hanger shoulders behind the rod, with a paw looped over it. Stubborn little thing hadn't even come out to eat or pee.) I can't even imagine what you must be feeling now. Please keep us posted. Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
vitamin c?
ok hope this doesn't sound silly but where do i get vitamin c? like a health store and how much do i give?
