RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Stray Cat Alliance
Depends on what your shelter's policies are regarding feral cats, usually open admission shelters kill feral cats right away. Check out www.alleycat.org for information on Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) and the humane and viable solution to controlling the feral cat population. Alley Cat Allies and

RE: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Glenda, I didn't read this until this morning at work. What horrible people for not letting you back to see Marmalade. I've got my fingers crossed for him. It's so sad how many people don't care about our fellow creatures. Let us know right away about Marmalade. He sounds like a great cat who

Re: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
You may not have any. It depends on your local laws, which I would check into. Our local high kill shelter can kill owner surrenders right away. Strays have a 3 day hold time mandated by law (they may consider feral cats strays - I really do not know their feral cat policy and I should. If a

Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread TatorBunz
I agree with what has been said in prior postings. When anyone surrenders a pet to a City/County shelter your rights end there. Some will work with you because the less they have to do the better. This is pretty wide spread through out the U.S. In some cases like different Humane Societies

Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
It's devastating -- I was in a similar situation, but I was able to get the cat out - who to say whether a cat was feral or not - I don't agree with any of the things that has been posted. You should be able to get the kitty out!!! You can get the cat out - for a different way. You can simply

RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Nina
Well this sounds like a very costly lesson for you, your friend, but esp for Marmalade. There are some details missing from the story and I'm a bit confused. Why, if you were interested in helping this cat did you and your friend decide to call animal control in the first place? What did you

Re: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Belinda
This is sad and dangerous, how many peoples pet cats running loose outside, ticking off neighbors have been falsely turned in as owner surrenders, I'm sure these shelters don't check, just take the word of the person surrendering the cat. Our local high kill shelter can kill owner surrenders

OT: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back

2007-08-09 Thread wendy
Hey guys, Stretch's back is healing up quite nicely! Thank you for the advice! The spot was larger than a quarter, and it was just raw skin-no fur and the top layers of skin were missing; it was completely reddish, poor baby. I had already had him on a course of antibiotics, which I'm sure

Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org HELLO EVERYONE, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT. THE WORST HAS HAPPENED. I

Re: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

2007-08-09 Thread Kat
Sleep Soft, Dear Marmalade... You are now free to chase the butterflies without wondering where your next meal is coming from, or if you'll find a warm comfy shelter for the night... I wonder which Angel you will adopt as your very own... Your work here is done - Ours is just starting. You

Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...I am unsubscribing the list

2007-08-09 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
This is just horrible! I am sorry but I just don't understand why you even took him to the pound anyway. That's the studiest thing I ever heard!! (I am sorry - but I am just too upset about this situation) -- Sometimes people may have a good intention, but just not good enough - a precious

RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
NINA, I WANT TO ANSWER YOU QUICKLY HERE. I BROUGHT MY CAT TRAP DOWN TO MY FRIENDS. THE CAT WAS TRAPPED IN HER YARD . SHE CALLED ME SUNDAY EVENING TO TELL ME HE HAD BEEN TRAPPED. I WAS ON MY WAY, A SHORT WALK TO HER HOUSE TO PICK THE CAT UP. I PLANNED TO TAKE HIM IN IN THE MORNING WHEN THE HUMANE

RE: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

2007-08-09 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Glenda, I'm so sorry it ended this way for Marmalade, and for you. It sounds like just a very unfortunate set of circumstances. You say you know this shelter and trust the people there, so it doesn't sound like you were irresponsible in bringing him there. It doesn't sound like they are

Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...I am unsubscribing the list

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
HI MY DEAR HIDEYO, I AM SO SORRY MY TELLING YOU ALL THIS HAS MAD SO MANY PEOPLE SAD. I AM ESPECIALLY SORRY TO HAVE HURT YOU. PLEASE READ MY POST TO NINA. WE ARE ALL HERE TO LEARN AND HELP EACH OTHER HELP OUR ANIMALS. YOU HAVE BEEN SO WONDERFUL AND SO VALUABLE. YOU HAVE GIVEN ME SOME OF MY VERY

Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
On 8/9/07, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..I GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND UPSET WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE AFRAID TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT IN A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME

Kelly S.

2007-08-09 Thread Susan Dubose
Hey, Kelly, the feral group w AHS is signing folks up. This would be a great place to get your feet wet w/ the Austin feral scene and meet some folks, get some great advice network. Email offine if you want the contact purrson's email addy. Sorry, I don't have your email addy or I would have

Hideyo :(

2007-08-09 Thread Susan Dubose
I wish that you wouldn't unsubscribe. You have been a great help to me, my cats many others on this list. People make mistakes, we are all only human, unfortunately, and we as a species are not as smart as animals. But if you choose to unsubscribe, I respect your descision, and you will be

Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-09 Thread Susan Dubose
I forwarded to my vet the protocol that I am using for yeast supplements, and he said that was fine. He also said that the Nutritional Yeast is fine to use too. I just have to keep Papillon from eating it all, he is quite the little yeast pig. He is my felv+ flamepoint form the area

Re: Hideyo :(

2007-08-09 Thread laurieskatz
I have not been reading whatever has happened. Hideyo you have been a great help to me. Isabella and many others like her benefit from your experience, strength and hope. I hope you will stay and respect your decision if you decide to leave and will wish you well. God bless. Laurie -

RE: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-09 Thread Melissa Lind
Yea for Papillion! I love the name too! I'll have to sprinkle a little nutritional yeast for my piggies tonight! :-) Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... The outcome)

2007-08-09 Thread Nina
Diane, I know you are a feral cat advocate and I usually agree with everything you post, but in this case I do not. My only consolation for this terrible situation is that it might in some way shed light on the practices of our municipal shelters. Glenda wrote to us about how everyone is

Re: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-09 Thread Jane Lyons
I've never used Brewer's yeast for cats, but one of my dogs had an allergic reaction to it. Her ears turned bright red and were very itchy. The vet said it was similar to a yeast infection. I'd be very cautious about the dosage. Jane On Aug 9, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Melissa Lind

Re: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... The outcome)

2007-08-09 Thread MaryChristine
blessings, nina. next, let's talk about all the feral groups that routinely still kill FIVs and FeLVs based on a single test. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892

Re: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... The outcome)

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
I LOVE NATHAN WINOGRAD. He is hope and sanity in a hopeless and insane world. He also answered one of my questions on the NMHP forum. :) i have the same name there;) On 8/9/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diane, I know you are a feral cat advocate and I usually agree with everything you

To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread Heather Wienker
Glenda- I have mostly just read and only posted here once or twice before...but I've been reading about Marmalade and am crying with you. I know how horrible you feel as I work with rescue and have seen/heard many similar situations. Our city is not small enough to use backwards as an excuse

Re: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... The outcome)

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
By the way, Nathan Winograd's book comes out on 9/1. Preorder it today. Read it and change the world:) http://tinyurl.com/3c2ey6 On 8/9/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blessings, nina. next, let's talk about all the feral groups that routinely still kill FIVs and FeLVs based on

Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread laurieskatz
I have done the same thing here. Found someone who lived nearby to say the cat was theirs. It worked for us. - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread Belinda
There's a very simple, responsible remedy for this, at least for pet owners who purport to be responsible --- KEEP YOUR PETS INSIDE OR IN AN ENCLOSURE OR SUPERVISED ON A LEASH OR HARNESS when outside. There *in my opinion*, is NO excuse not to and if you don't you have no reason or excuse

RE: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... Theoutcome)

2007-08-09 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Nina, in most circumstances I would agree with you absolutely here, but it did seem as if Glenda had a solid relationship with this shelter so I am ready to give it the benefit of the doubt in this case. I would rather that it was no-kill, of course, and I fault the shelter for that in the big

Re: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-09 Thread Susan Dubose
Papillon is a very macho kitty, he was an un neutered tom that was dumped @ the local pound. A scrapper' ;) My vet clinic is so used to naming my cats for me (I'm outta names, I just say Name 'em !), they had some other named picked out. I said, 'Oh, no, this one is Papillon! They

Re: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-09 Thread Susan Dubose
So far they are all fine. We have been doing this for 4 months now. But good advice. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her

OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Caroline Kaufmann
My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today. I couldn't get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why I couldn't get a hold of her!). My mom was just really frustrated and felt

Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
Caroline, You can get tapeworm tabs online much cheaper. I asked my vet, because we sometimes have small kittens come in from the local kill shelter with tapeworms, and they are the same dosage of active ingredient as Droncit. http://tinyurl.com/39kpve On 8/9/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL

RE: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Behnke
Just be careful with the peroxide, it can actually prevent proper healing if used to much. Weird but true. I was doing that with Momma's back as well until I talked to the vet about it. I did notice that it worked great when I first started using it, but eventually the spot stopped healing.

Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Susan Dubose
You can also order Drontal now w/o a prescription. I just ordered 2 bottles @ 50 pills each from www.lambriarvet.com Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state,

Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-09 Thread Sherry DeHaan
We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His body just could not take any more.He came to the shelter a month before I started there almost 2 years ago.He will be sadly missed. Sherry - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo!

Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
Heather, What a beautiful, sweet letter.Thank you for your kindness and your personal story... What all this has done to me is make me determined to do my small part to call attention to some issues here in my little twin towns of Scottsbluff and Gering, Nebraska. I will be writing a letter to

RE: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread Chris
I think you said so many truths very eloquently. Its easy to say that one should not bring an animal to a shelter but then we do not all have the luxury of being able to even temporarily house any animal we find. And we also have to remember what our 'tax' dollars are paying for--most people

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
Sherry, My heart is breaking today for all the cats that will no longer get to enjoy the things cats do enjoy...They are all so special. I'm sorry for Gus and for you, because I know you loved him...Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and

Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
If it was in a reasonably safe location, I would leave an animal outside before I took it to a kill shelter. If not, I would find someone who could keep the animal. I would (and have) begged people to take in an animal, even for a day. I would sell plasma to get enough money to board the cat.

Re: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back

2007-08-09 Thread wendy
Thanks for the tip Chris. I will keep that in mind and watch how this thing heals in the next couple of days. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-09 Thread wendy
Hi Sherry, I'm sorry to hear about Gus. If he was there for two years, I know he felt very loved!!! I hope you are doing well and that the other kitties in the shelter and getting lots of love and attention. I know they are with you being there. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of

Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Caroline Kaufmann
Thanks. I am new to this doing as much treatment you can without using the vet thing, so I was trying to figure out what the best tapeworm pill was. I think we will be okay though. I put an Advantage on the cat tonight, as I just received my Advantage supply in the mail today. We haven't tried to

Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread wendy
Hi Caroline, Glad to hear that this kitty is doing well and that the vet bill was so low! I can't rememer last time I paid that amount at the vet's...lol. The name of the kitty and the fact that it wasn't microchipped don't really concern me. At least the people took her to the vet!

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-09 Thread Marylyn
Blessings to you for caring about this little one. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who

RE: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Chris
Just some observations. We just reunited a Katrina kitty with his family after almost 2 years of his being out on the street. He was wearing still wearing a collar/tags though the collar had begun to rub around his neck. The cat was found quite a ways from his home and though they had looked and

Re: To Glenda re. Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
Hi Wendy, I can definitely say starting a rescue is not for everyone. It is hard, I work about 80 hours a week between my rescue work and my other job (the one I use the $ from to pay for my real job if I don't get enough donations). I think some things I said could have been phrased

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
Shery, I am so sorry for your loss. Thanks for your tireless work on the behalf of the kitties. On 8/9/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His body just could not take any more.He came to the shelter a month before I started there almost

Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Kelley Saveika
It looks like it would save us $30 per bottle to do that, however we are not always able to afford to do things the cheapest way yet! For instance, we can order combo tests as a nonprofit MUCH cheaper than we can buy them individually, even at the cheap spay/neuter place (we get our combo tests

To Glenda re. Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread wendy
Glenda, I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past few days and mulling over all I have read. I can completely see how each person can feel the way they do. What happened is horrific. I know all of us are saddened by it. Obviously, you have learned your lesson and I can tell you