date:20070809

Thank you so much Wendy.
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda,
> 
> I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past
> few days and mulling over all I have read.  I can
> completely see how each person can feel the way they
> do.  What happened is horrific.  I know all of us
> are saddened by it.  Obviously, you have learned
> your lesson and I can tell you feel badly about what
> happened.  I don't want to say something hurtful or
> mean, although what happened to Marmalade, honestly,
> has made me angry and sad.  However, as it has been
> pointed out, this happens every day to hundreds of
> animals in the world.  Marmalade is just one.  A
> grass roots foster/rescue program is needed, but who
> among us has the time or is willing to sacrifice? 
> We live in a damn rat race.  And I do not think that
> shelter work is every person's calling.  I am
> starting up a pet sitting business and taking care
> of my brood, among all the other stuff going on in
> my life.  Volunteering isn't part of the mix right
> now, but I do feel like I'm doing my part in my
>  little corner of the world, for now.  
> 
> I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I
> think the people here are wonderful.  Hideyo is very
> intense.  I personally think she feels things more
> intensely than many of us do; that observation is
> based on what I have seen in the past.  I think she
> will come around again.  She's angry and hurt now,
> as many of us are, and you are the easiest target
> for that, unfortunately.  However, even though you
> made a mistake, it was not intentional, and you were
> trying to rectify it.  We ALL make mistakes.  Every
> last one of us.  One time, when I was just a girl,
> one of our cats (we had many) attacked my face.  I
> was trying to pet him and talking to him really
> sweet, and he just attacked me and scratched me up. 
> I was bleeding pretty good from several places, but
> my heart hurt more than my head.  He jumped off the
> bed and walked off like he was the cat's meow and I
> kicked him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He
> died a few days after that.  He couldn't pee
>  and my mom was the type not to waste money on our
> pets; she had to make sure she always had a six pack
> handy.  I have always felt really badly about that. 
> In hindsight, it's quite possible that this kitty
> had crystals or already had a UTI.  But I'll never
> know and I choose to carry the grief that comes
> along with the responsibility of a mistake.  I know
> there are probably others here who have
> unintentionally hurt an animal.  I am certainly
> holding no grudge against you as I have no room to
> judge your mistake.  I do hope that, as others have
> said, it can be turned into something good, for
> little Marmalade's sake.  That is all that can be
> done now.  Prayers going out for your heavy heart.  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:01:23 PM
> Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> 
> 
> --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > HELLO EVERYONE, 
> > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> > THE
> > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> > NOW. 
> > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> > HAPPENED:  
> > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
> HIS
> > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
> DOWN
> > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> > SECTION...I
> > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> > 
> > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> > UPSET
> > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> > AFRAID
> > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
> IT
> > IN
> > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> > NIGHT
> > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
> > 
> > THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO
> LOVE
> > AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
> > RELATIONSHIP,
> > TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE
> TOOK
> > MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
> > STREET,
> > TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
> > MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
> > TEST
> > WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
> > CAT
> > TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
> > NOTICED
> > A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
> > MIGHT
> > TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
> > POSITIVE! 
> > 
> > I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
> > HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
>

Re: To Glenda re. Marmalade

Hi Wendy,

I can definitely say starting a rescue is not for everyone.  It is
hard, I work about 80 hours a week between my rescue work and my
"other" job (the one I use the $ from to pay for my real job if I
don't get enough donations).

I think some things I said could have been phrased differently and it
was not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings.  I hope all of us have
learned a lesson, though, about not taking animals to kill shelters.
I believe if you are going to have your animal  killed you should at
least have the cojones to take that animal to a vet and be with the
animal as he dies and not let him die alone and scared in a shelter.
But lots of people want to delude themselves about what is really
going to happen (and I'm not talking about Glenda here because I don't
think that is the case here).

-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

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http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

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http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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To Glenda re. Marmalade

Glenda,

I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past few days and mulling over 
all I have read.  I can completely see how each person can feel the way they 
do.  What happened is horrific.  I know all of us are saddened by it.  
Obviously, you have learned your lesson and I can tell you feel badly about 
what happened.  I don't want to say something hurtful or mean, although what 
happened to Marmalade, honestly, has made me angry and sad.  However, as it has 
been pointed out, this happens every day to hundreds of animals in the world.  
Marmalade is just one.  A grass roots foster/rescue program is needed, but who 
among us has the time or is willing to sacrifice?  We live in a damn rat race.  
And I do not think that shelter work is every person's calling.  I am starting 
up a pet sitting business and taking care of my brood, among all the other 
stuff going on in my life.  Volunteering isn't part of the mix right now, but I 
do feel like I'm doing my part in my
 little corner of the world, for now.  

I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I think the people here are 
wonderful.  Hideyo is very intense.  I personally think she feels things more 
intensely than many of us do; that observation is based on what I have seen in 
the past.  I think she will come around again.  She's angry and hurt now, as 
many of us are, and you are the easiest target for that, unfortunately.  
However, even though you made a mistake, it was not intentional, and you were 
trying to rectify it.  We ALL make mistakes.  Every last one of us.  One time, 
when I was just a girl, one of our cats (we had many) attacked my face.  I was 
trying to pet him and talking to him really sweet, and he just attacked me and 
scratched me up.  I was bleeding pretty good from several places, but my heart 
hurt more than my head.  He jumped off the bed and walked off like he was the 
cat's meow and I kicked him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He died a few 
days after that.  He couldn't pee
 and my mom was the type not to waste money on our pets; she had to make sure 
she always had a six pack handy.  I have always felt really badly about that.  
In hindsight, it's quite possible that this kitty had crystals or already had a 
UTI.  But I'll never know and I choose to carry the grief that comes along with 
the responsibility of a mistake.  I know there are probably others here who 
have unintentionally hurt an animal.  I am certainly holding no grudge against 
you as I have no room to judge your mistake.  I do hope that, as others have 
said, it can be turned into something good, for little Marmalade's sake.  That 
is all that can be done now.  Prayers going out for your heavy heart.  

:)
Wendy

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~

- Original Message 
From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:01:23 PM
Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> HELLO EVERYONE, 
> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> THE
> WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> NOW. 
> I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> HAPPENED:  
> WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
> PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
> THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> SECTION...I
> GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> 
> EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> UPSET
> WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> AFRAID
> TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
> IN
> A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> NIGHT
> MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
> 
> THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO LOVE
> AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
> RELATIONSHIP,
> TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE TOOK
> MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
> STREET,
> TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
> MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
> TEST
> WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
> CAT
> TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
> NOTICED
> A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
> MIGHT
> TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
> POSITIVE! 
> 
> I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
> HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
> HE
> WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
> YOUNG
> LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE I"M
> COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO A
> SOLUTION SOMEHOW. SHE IS A VERY GOOD PERSON AND LIKE
> THE REST OF US ,BUT WITH A VERY HARD JOB...THE GAL,
> A
> WORK

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

Shery,

I am so sorry for your loss.  Thanks for your tireless work on the
behalf of the kitties.

On 8/9/07, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His body just could not take
> any more.He came to the shelter a month before I started there almost 2
> years ago.He will be sadly missed.
> Sherry
>
> 
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>
>

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

It looks like it would save us $30 per bottle to do that, however we
are not always able to afford to do things the cheapest way yet!

For instance, we can order combo tests as a nonprofit MUCH cheaper
than we can buy them individually, even at the cheap spay/neuter place
(we get our combo tests at ATA for $18 each - the nonprofit price is
about half that), but we have to buy them by the case, and we can't
afford a whole case yet.  Very frustrating, but we will get there.  We
are about to be able to buy a case of microchips though, very
exciting.

I think the OP is only going to need a few tho.

On 8/9/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can also order Drontal now w/o a prescription.
>
> I just ordered 2 bottles @ 50 pills each from www.lambriarvet.com
>
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
>   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
>   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
>   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
> Trajan Tennent
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
>
>
> Caroline,
>
> You can get tapeworm tabs online much cheaper.
>
> I asked my vet, because we sometimes have small kittens come in from
> the local kill shelter with tapeworms, and they are the same dosage of
> active ingredient as Droncit.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/39kpve
>
>
>
>
> On 8/9/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't
> > get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes
> > somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains
> > why
> > I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and
> > felt
> > she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the
> > cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to
> > make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory
> > infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the
> > first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they
> > were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured
> > my mom into calling the vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even
> > though we never heard from him and know that he has other clinics that are
> > open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a live person!  That
> > person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information,
> > so
> > we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't
> > knowyour alls' guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say
> > about
> > that.
> > My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I
> > guess
> > the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet
> > would
> > usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she
> > doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I
> > found
> > a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a
> > tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5
> > ounces!!!  I told you she was malnourished!  The vet
> > had
> > trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there--
> > she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just
> > the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think
> > the
> > vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.
> > She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.
> > Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right
> > and
> > then some...we wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum,
> > food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess
> > we know more of what we are doing than we thought.  AND my usually
> > reluctant
> > to do "rescues" mother has even said that she is "willing to do more of
> > this" as long as she has the resources set up ahead of time- meaning,
> > ready
> > access to a vet, if vet care is needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a
> > discount!  She got out of there with a $59 bill.
> > As for calling the owner, we are in no rush.  My mom still has major
> > concerns based on how tight the collar was on the cat- so tight it rubbed
> > the fur off, if she was supposed to be an outside cat or indoor/outdoor
> > cat-
> > why isn't she micro chipped, and she did end up a long way from home, etc.
> > I'm probably going to call them and feel them out before I release too
> > much
> > info.  What I DON'T want to happe

RE: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Chris

Just some observations. We just reunited a Katrina kitty with his family
after almost 2 years of his being out on the street.  He was wearing still
wearing a collar/tags though the collar had begun to rub around his neck.
The cat was found quite a ways from his home and though they had looked and
looked they could never find him.  He had survived because of volunteer
feeders in the area.  

 

Since your little guy's collar was so tight, it is possible that this cat
got away from home a long time ago-lost flyers, reports, etc. tend to be
taken down and are forgotten after a while.  Its been my experience that you
can tell pretty quickly when an owner isn't particularly interested in an
animal.  Just give them a way out-like, gee, I found him a great home, etc.
and see if they bite.  Ask for description of the cat including behaviors,
little things, favorite food, etc.-you can tell a lot by how much somebody
knows.  Just don't assume because he wasn't chipped they didn't care.  

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org

 

Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

 

Hi Caroline,

 

Glad to hear that this kitty is doing well and that the vet bill was so low!
I can't rememer last time I paid that amount at the vet's...lol.

 

The name of the kitty and the fact that it wasn't microchipped don't really
concern me.  At least the people took her to the vet!  However, I, like you,
would be very careful about calling them.  Can you do a 'drive by' or is
that to stalker-ish?  lol.  Did their vet say the cat was listed as missing?
If not, I would find that odd.  Also, how exactly far away from home did you
find her?  If it's really far, I would be afraid too that they dropped her
off somewhere.  There are psycho people that do that.  I don't know
Caroline.  I would feel pretty much like you do.  Afraid for this cat, but
wanting to do the right thing.  Do you think maybe you could strike up a
conversation with a neighbor?  I know that sounds sneaky, but it might be
fun!  lol.  Or maybe you could look up their names/address on the appraisal
district roles on the Internet and see if you know someone else personally
that lives in their neighborhood and maybe you could talk to them or see if
they know one of the neighbors?  I don't know where you live.  Obviously,
I'm from a small town and live in the suburbs now, so that would be very
do-able for me.  If you live in NYC, you're probably laughing at me right
now.  lol.  Prayers going out that you are able to do the right thing for
this kitty.  Please keep us posted.

 

:)

Wendy
 

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~

 

- Original Message 
From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 3:29:01 PM
Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't
get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes
somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why
I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt
she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the
cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to
make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory
infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the
first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they
were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured
my mom into calling the vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even
though we never heard from him and know that he has other clinics that are
open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a live person!  That
person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so
we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't
knowyour alls' guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about
that.

My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess
the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would
usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she
doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found
a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a
tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5
ounces!!!  I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had
trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think she's a

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-09 Thread Marylyn

Blessings to you for caring about this little one.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:27 PM
  Subject: Gus Please add to the CLS :(


  We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His body just could not take 
any more.He came to the shelter a month before I started there almost 2 years 
ago.He will be sadly missed.
  Sherry


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Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

Hi Caroline,

Glad to hear that this kitty is doing well and that the vet bill was so low!  I 
can't rememer last time I paid that amount at the vet's...lol.

The name of the kitty and the fact that it wasn't microchipped don't really 
concern me.  At least the people took her to the vet!  However, I, like you, 
would be very careful about calling them.  Can you do a 'drive by' or is that 
to stalker-ish?  lol.  Did their vet say the cat was listed as missing?  If 
not, I would find that odd.  Also, how exactly far away from home did you find 
her?  If it's really far, I would be afraid too that they dropped her off 
somewhere.  There are psycho people that do that.  I don't know Caroline.  I 
would feel pretty much like you do.  Afraid for this cat, but wanting to do the 
right thing.  Do you think maybe you could strike up a conversation with a 
neighbor?  I know that sounds sneaky, but it might be fun!  lol.  Or maybe you 
could look up their names/address on the appraisal district roles on the 
Internet and see if you know someone else personally that lives in their 
neighborhood and maybe you could talk to them or
 see if they know one of the neighbors?  I don't know where you live.  
Obviously, I'm from a small town and live in the suburbs now, so that would be 
very do-able for me.  If you live in NYC, you're probably laughing at me right 
now.  lol.  Prayers going out that you are able to do the right thing for this 
kitty.  Please keep us posted.

:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 3:29:01 PM
Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat


My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't get a 
hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes somewhere 
crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why I couldn't 
get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt she couldn't 
wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the cat into a vet 
that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to make sure we were 
dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory infection.  She ended 
up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the first 15 mins arguing with 
the vet over what the cat needed, what they were/weren't going to do to her, 
and finding the owner.  The vet pressured my mom into calling the vet number 
listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even though we never heard from him and know 
that he has other clinics that are open in Louisville- well, when she called, 
she got a live person!  That person
 looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so we have 
that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't knowyour alls' 
guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about that.
My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess the 
dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would 
usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she doesn't 
have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found a live 
flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a tapeworm 
pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5 ounces!!! 
 I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had trouble aging her and 
guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there-- she has tarter on her 
teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just the yellow, so I think 
she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the vet's being thrown off by 
the malnourishment.  
She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.  Surprisingly, 
the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right and then some...we 
wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum, food, etc., which my 
mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess we know more of what we 
are doing than we thought.  AND my usually reluctant to do "rescues" mother has 
even said that she is "willing to do more of this" as long as she has the 
resources set up ahead of time- meaning, ready access to a vet, if vet care is 
needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a discount!  She got out of there with 
a $59 bill.  
As for calling the owner, we are in no rush.  My mom still has major concerns 
based on how tight the collar was on the cat- so tight it rubbed the fur off, 
if she was supposed to be an outside cat or indoor/outdoor cat- why isn't she 
micro chipped, and she did end up a long way from home, etc.  I'm probably 
going to call them and feel them out before I release too much info.  What I 
DON'T want to happen is to have a reluctant owner lie to us and say yeah, we 
want her back, and then just

Re: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back

Thanks for the tip Chris.  I will keep that in mind and watch how this thing 
heals in the next couple of days.  

:)
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- Original Message 
From: Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 5:50:33 PM
Subject: RE: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back


Just be careful with the peroxide, it can actually prevent proper healing if
used to much.  Weird but true.  I was doing that with Momma's back as well
until I talked to the vet about it.  I did notice that it worked great when
I first started using it, but eventually the spot stopped healing.

Chris


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back

Hey guys,

Stretch's back is healing up quite nicely!  Thank you for the advice!  The
spot was larger than a quarter, and it was just raw skin-no fur and the top
layers of skin were missing; it was completely reddish, poor baby.  I had
already had him on a course of antibiotics, which I'm sure helped, but after
reading advice from this site and another, I started using hydrogen peroxide
3-4 times a day to "disinfect" the spot, and immediately after, I would put
antibiotic cream on her.  The spot is now the size of a dime.  It's healing
from the edges in, instead of forming a complete scab.  Weird, but
nevertheless, it is healing, thank goodness!  I really think that it might
have been a spider bite instead of an allergic reaction, but we will never
know.  

:)
Wendy


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Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

Hi Sherry,

I'm sorry to hear about Gus.  If he was there for two years, I know he felt 
very loved!!!

I hope you are doing well and that the other kitties in the shelter and getting 
lots of love and attention.  I know they are with you being there.

:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Felvtalk 
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 7:27:03 PM
Subject: Gus Please add to the CLS :(


We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His body just could not take 
any more.He came to the shelter a month before I started there almost 2 years 
ago.He will be sadly missed.
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Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Thanks.  I am new to this doing as much treatment you can without using the vet thing, so I was trying to figure out what the best tapeworm pill was.  I think we will be okay though.  I put an Advantage on the cat tonight, as I just received my Advantage supply in the mail today.  We haven't tried to reach the owner yet-- that is the big task tomorrow.  The cat is worn out!  I had to treat her eyes and give her clavamox tonight and she fought me on both big time (definitely getting her energy level somewhat back to normal), but after that, she was done.  She has no energy reserves so I think the trip to the vet and then the evening treatment was really a lot for her.  


I just really hope her owner is a responsible one who desperately wants her back.  I really dread being faced with the dilemma of owner abandonment or something like that
-Caroline   




From:  "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:  Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue catDate:  Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:56:14 -0500>Caroline,>>You can get tapeworm tabs online much cheaper.>>I asked my vet, because we sometimes have small kittens come in from>the local kill shelter with tapeworms, and they are the same dosage of>active ingredient as Droncit.>>http://tinyurl.com/39kpve>On 8/9/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't> > get a hold of my 
Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes> > somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why> > I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt> > she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the> > cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to> > make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory> > infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the> > first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they> > were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured> > my mom into calling the vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even> > though 
we never heard from him and know that he has other clinics that are> > open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a live person!  That> > person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so> > we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't> > knowyour alls' guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about> > that.> > My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess> > the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would> > usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she> > doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found> > a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on 
that.  I can always get a> > tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5> > ounces!!!  I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had> > trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there--> > she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just> > the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the> > vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.> > She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.> > Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right and> > then some...we wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum,> > food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she walked 
in.  So I guess> > we know more of what we are doing than we thought.  AND my usually reluctant> > to do "rescues" mother has even said that she is "willing to do more of> > this" as long as she has the resources set up ahead of time- meaning, ready> > access to a vet, if vet care is needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a> > discount!  She got out of there with a $59 bill.> > As for calling the owner, we are in no rush.  My mom still has major> > concerns based on how tight the collar was on the cat- so tight it rubbed> > the fur off, if she was supposed to be an outside cat or indoor/outdoor cat-> > why isn't she micro chipped, and she did end up a long way from home, etc.> > I'm probably going to call them and feel them out before I release too 
much> > info.  What I DON'T want to happen is to have a reluctant owner lie to us> > and say yeah, we want her back, and then just surrender her to Animal> > Control after we turn her over, or just let her back out in this heat, etc.> > I am not going to have done all this work on this cat for NOTHING!> > The cat is back home at my mom's, no doubt loving the a/c.  She's happy and> > I am sure she's gained an couple ounces since Sat. already.> >> > -Caroline> > __

Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

If it was in a reasonably safe location, I would leave an animal
outside before I took it to a kill shelter.  If not, I would find
someone who could keep the animal.  I would (and have) begged people
to take in an animal, even for a day.  I would sell plasma to get
enough money to board the cat.  I would dang well do *something* other
than take that cat to a kill facility.

I was in the battered women's shelter. I did not have a dime to my
name.  I called vets offices until I found one who would board my cat
for FREE until I got a job. I felt like a beggar.  I had never begged
before in my life.  I will not do it for myself.  I will do it for a
cat.   I got a job and I started paying to have him boarded ($90 a
week in 1999). I got an apartment and brought him home.  He's stll
with me.  I really do not want to hear anything about someone not
having a luxury.  If I am homeless and I can find safe haven for my
cat - other people can do it too.

I do more than wring my hands, I am taking steps to make my community
no kill (yes, municipal shelters can be no kill too).  I do not want
my tax dollars to go towards killing animals.

Nathan Winograd has a 10 point plan, which you must have in place in
order to go no kill.  It has worked in all different areas of the
country.  It is a lot more work. A lot more than sitting around saying
"we have to kill animals, we have no choice".

I have been lucky enough to go to animal sheltering conferences and
hear some of these people speak.  Some of the people who run open
admission, municipal, no kill shelters.  They work very, very hard.
They have offsite adoption programs 7 days per week.  They haev large
foster programs.  They are open to the pubic during times that people
can get there to adopt animals.  They use the internet effectively.
They use TV.  They use radio.  They have large low cost high volume
spay neuter programs.  They have TNR for feral cats.  They are always
thnking outside the box.  They find ways to do things, not ways to
make excuses.

There are always choices.  Taking an animal to a kill shelter is
always a bad one.

http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

On 8/9/07, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you said so many truths very eloquently.  Its easy to say that one
> should not bring an animal to a shelter but then we do not all have the
> luxury of being able to even temporarily house any animal we find. And we
> also have to remember what our 'tax' dollars are paying for--most people
> expect their shelter to just 'solve the problem'.  They don't want to hear
> about kill rates and wring their hands when they hear about healthy animals
> being euthanized, but nobody wants to pay to have a real no-kill operation.
> Sad to say, municipal shelters take everybody's throwaways--they're not
> allowed to say no as not for profits are.  They can't say, we'll put you on
> a waiting list.  They MUST take an animal in and MUST do whatever it takes
> to make more room.  We just have to keep that in mind when we're talking
> about municipal animal control facilities.
>
> Christiane Biagi
> 914-632-4672
> Cell:  914-720-6888
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: To Glenda and Marmalade
>
> Heather,
>  What a beautiful, sweet letter.Thank you for your
> kindness and your personal story...
>  What all this has done to me is make me determined to
> do my small part to call attention to some issues here
> in my little twin  towns of Scottsbluff and Gering,
> Nebraska.
> I will be writing  a letter to the editor of our local
> paper. I will be addressing, our pathetic, lack of a
> system, protecting homeless cats. Not all homeless
> cats are wild , so the subject of my letter will not
> be  the feral issue.It will be the homeless, neglected
> animal issue all towns have... I will never know if
> Marmalade was a wild 'feral" cat or a very frightened,
> misplaced, lost cat. He was not given a chance.
> I have been sick all day, feeling such a terrible loss
> of a cat I will never get to know, because someone was
> doing their job, just too fast and thoughtlessly. I
> blame myself most of all for taking a short cut...It
> was easier turning the cat over for the night. I
> thought easier on the cat too...My mistake...
>  I do appreciate Nina's letter and even though I want
> to give the local shelter people here the benefit of
> doubt, I do not trust most people in general, who do
> the job of disposing of little lives. Many get too
> hardened and are too automatic...There are probably
> some who even enjoy it? The way the system is set up,
> like they say, someone has to do it...BUT WHY...I
> could never understand WHY.Why does anyone HAVE to do
> it?

RE: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread Chris

I think you said so many truths very eloquently.  Its easy to say that one
should not bring an animal to a shelter but then we do not all have the
luxury of being able to even temporarily house any animal we find. And we
also have to remember what our 'tax' dollars are paying for--most people
expect their shelter to just 'solve the problem'.  They don't want to hear
about kill rates and wring their hands when they hear about healthy animals
being euthanized, but nobody wants to pay to have a real no-kill operation.
Sad to say, municipal shelters take everybody's throwaways--they're not
allowed to say no as not for profits are.  They can't say, we'll put you on
a waiting list.  They MUST take an animal in and MUST do whatever it takes
to make more room.  We just have to keep that in mind when we're talking
about municipal animal control facilities.  

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

Heather,
 What a beautiful, sweet letter.Thank you for your
kindness and your personal story...
 What all this has done to me is make me determined to
do my small part to call attention to some issues here
in my little twin  towns of Scottsbluff and Gering,
Nebraska.
I will be writing  a letter to the editor of our local
paper. I will be addressing, our pathetic, lack of a
system, protecting homeless cats. Not all homeless
cats are wild , so the subject of my letter will not
be  the feral issue.It will be the homeless, neglected
animal issue all towns have... I will never know if
Marmalade was a wild 'feral" cat or a very frightened,
misplaced, lost cat. He was not given a chance. 
I have been sick all day, feeling such a terrible loss
of a cat I will never get to know, because someone was
doing their job, just too fast and thoughtlessly. I
blame myself most of all for taking a short cut...It
was easier turning the cat over for the night. I
thought easier on the cat too...My mistake...
 I do appreciate Nina's letter and even though I want
to give the local shelter people here the benefit of
doubt, I do not trust most people in general, who do
the job of disposing of little lives. Many get too
hardened and are too automatic...There are probably
some who even enjoy it? The way the system is set up,
like they say, someone has to do it...BUT WHY...I
could never understand WHY.Why does anyone HAVE to do
it? 
 I Do not believe in breeding animals . I believe, if
by accident, a litter of animals comes forth in the
world the people caring for those animals should pay
large taxes and or fines...The reproduction of
companion animals should be very strictly
regulated.Breeding companion animals should never
profit anyone. Having a companion animal should be a
privilage and as valuable as having a  priceless jewel
...If dogs and cats were as rare as diamonds, they
would be more valued. They would be respected and
treated the way they deserve to be treated. The
production of diamonds is regulated to keep them
rare...thus, keeping them valuable and prized by
humans.The same principals should apply to animals.
Humans, in general, certainly have proved they do not
deserve the blessing of having little animal friends
:Just a thought...It is not working the way things are
now other than like everything else feeding the
economy...  
 Our shelters are like waste receptacles. They clean
up people's messes, greed, ugliness, mistakes,
heartaches, inadequacies...All the many reasons people
seek to have an animal and fail that animal is the
sewer of what our shelters are.  The end product of
our shelters is everything wrong with people. 
Our laws are awful...We each can feel so helpless and
yet so well intentioned, but what we are up against is
huge. 
About six ago a friend called me to tell me she had
found a small kitten in her aunt's yard. She told me
the kitten was sick with matted eyes...It was a
Saturday night. She said if I did not come quickly to
get it she would have to call a policeman to pick it
up.She lives in Scottsbluff; I live in Gering. We have
seperate police departments ,but both towns use the
same shelter. I went across town to get the kitten. It
was around 9:30 pm. I took it to a friend's, along
with supplies for the night. I tried to clean the
kitten up and feed it. This kitten was very sick. I
guess it was distemper? I had three kittens at my own
house, two with only the first vaccination and my 
FeLV+ kitten, so did not want to care for the kitten
in my own home...Early the next morning I was back
working on the kitten, trying to get food, water, and
antibiotics down him.It was then I discovered his eyes
were both ruptured...I found out this can happen if an
in

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

Sherry, My heart is breaking today for all the cats
that will no longer get to enjoy the things cats do
enjoy...They are all so special. 
I'm sorry for Gus and for you, because I know you
loved him...Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His
> body just could not take any more.He came to the
> shelter a month before I started there almost 2
> years ago.He will be sadly missed.
>   Sherry
> 
>
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Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

Heather,
 What a beautiful, sweet letter.Thank you for your
kindness and your personal story...
 What all this has done to me is make me determined to
do my small part to call attention to some issues here
in my little twin  towns of Scottsbluff and Gering,
Nebraska.
I will be writing  a letter to the editor of our local
paper. I will be addressing, our pathetic, lack of a
system, protecting homeless cats. Not all homeless
cats are wild , so the subject of my letter will not
be  the feral issue.It will be the homeless, neglected
animal issue all towns have... I will never know if
Marmalade was a wild 'feral" cat or a very frightened,
misplaced, lost cat. He was not given a chance. 
I have been sick all day, feeling such a terrible loss
of a cat I will never get to know, because someone was
doing their job, just too fast and thoughtlessly. I
blame myself most of all for taking a short cut...It
was easier turning the cat over for the night. I
thought easier on the cat too...My mistake...
 I do appreciate Nina's letter and even though I want
to give the local shelter people here the benefit of
doubt, I do not trust most people in general, who do
the job of disposing of little lives. Many get too
hardened and are too automatic...There are probably
some who even enjoy it? The way the system is set up,
like they say, someone has to do it...BUT WHY...I
could never understand WHY.Why does anyone HAVE to do
it? 
 I Do not believe in breeding animals . I believe, if
by accident, a litter of animals comes forth in the
world the people caring for those animals should pay
large taxes and or fines...The reproduction of
companion animals should be very strictly
regulated.Breeding companion animals should never
profit anyone. Having a companion animal should be a
privilage and as valuable as having a  priceless jewel
...If dogs and cats were as rare as diamonds, they
would be more valued. They would be respected and
treated the way they deserve to be treated. The
production of diamonds is regulated to keep them
rare...thus, keeping them valuable and prized by
humans.The same principals should apply to animals.
Humans, in general, certainly have proved they do not
deserve the blessing of having little animal friends
:Just a thought...It is not working the way things are
now other than like everything else feeding the
economy...  
 Our shelters are like waste receptacles. They clean
up people's messes, greed, ugliness, mistakes,
heartaches, inadequacies...All the many reasons people
seek to have an animal and fail that animal is the
sewer of what our shelters are.  The end product of
our shelters is everything wrong with people. 
Our laws are awful...We each can feel so helpless and
yet so well intentioned, but what we are up against is
huge. 
About six ago a friend called me to tell me she had
found a small kitten in her aunt's yard. She told me
the kitten was sick with matted eyes...It was a
Saturday night. She said if I did not come quickly to
get it she would have to call a policeman to pick it
up.She lives in Scottsbluff; I live in Gering. We have
seperate police departments ,but both towns use the
same shelter. I went across town to get the kitten. It
was around 9:30 pm. I took it to a friend's, along
with supplies for the night. I tried to clean the
kitten up and feed it. This kitten was very sick. I
guess it was distemper? I had three kittens at my own
house, two with only the first vaccination and my 
FeLV+ kitten, so did not want to care for the kitten
in my own home...Early the next morning I was back
working on the kitten, trying to get food, water, and
antibiotics down him.It was then I discovered his eyes
were both ruptured...I found out this can happen if an
infection is not treated properly and is allowed to
continue... That sent me over the edge...I had no
place to go , had imposed enough on my friend...After
my friend's, had sat for several hours with the kitten
in a park by my houseThis, until a neighborhood
cat wandered up. I then left for fear of that cat
contracting, whatever it was affecting the kitten. I
was exhausted , depressed, saddened, alone with this
little cat with the horrible URI and matted and
ruptured eyes. I went over to the Humane Society
Director's House, Deb, on her day off, to ask her, if
there was anyone who would be available to help in a
situation such as mine. There was not. I was it. She
told me I could just have the kitten run down to the
shelter and because of his condition he would be put
to sleep Monday morning.I ended up at the local police
station with my carrier, the kitten, his food and
water.It was his eyes that made me just give up...I
was completely defeated... I picked my carrier up the
following Monday. End of story. 
Maybe I need to get kicked in the Butt twice, before I
get into gear to try and do my small part to make
things better for our animal friends here in my little
town?
 I absolutely promise to act in honor, of a wonderful
cat, I named Marmalade,who ne

Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-09 Thread Sherry DeHaan

We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His body just could not take 
any more.He came to the shelter a month before I started there almost 2 years 
ago.He will be sadly missed.
  Sherry

   
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Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

You can also order Drontal now w/o a prescription.

I just ordered 2 bottles @ 50 pills each from www.lambriarvet.com

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- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat


Caroline,

You can get tapeworm tabs online much cheaper.

I asked my vet, because we sometimes have small kittens come in from
the local kill shelter with tapeworms, and they are the same dosage of
active ingredient as Droncit.

http://tinyurl.com/39kpve




On 8/9/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't
> get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes
> somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains 
> why
> I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and 
> felt
> she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the
> cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to
> make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory
> infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the
> first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they
> were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured
> my mom into calling the vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even
> though we never heard from him and know that he has other clinics that are
> open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a live person!  That
> person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, 
> so
> we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't
> knowyour alls' guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say 
> about
> that.
> My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I 
> guess
> the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet 
> would
> usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she
> doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I 
> found
> a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a
> tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5
> ounces!!!  I told you she was malnourished!  The vet 
> had
> trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there--
> she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just
> the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think 
> the
> vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.
> She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.
> Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right 
> and
> then some...we wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum,
> food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess
> we know more of what we are doing than we thought.  AND my usually 
> reluctant
> to do "rescues" mother has even said that she is "willing to do more of
> this" as long as she has the resources set up ahead of time- meaning, 
> ready
> access to a vet, if vet care is needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a
> discount!  She got out of there with a $59 bill.
> As for calling the owner, we are in no rush.  My mom still has major
> concerns based on how tight the collar was on the cat- so tight it rubbed
> the fur off, if she was supposed to be an outside cat or indoor/outdoor 
> cat-
> why isn't she micro chipped, and she did end up a long way from home, etc.
> I'm probably going to call them and feel them out before I release too 
> much
> info.  What I DON'T want to happen is to have a reluctant owner lie to us
> and say yeah, we want her back, and then just surrender her to Animal
> Control after we turn her over, or just let her back out in this heat, 
> etc.
> I am not going to have done all this work on this cat for NOTHING!
> The cat is back home at my mom's, no doubt loving the a/c.  She's happy 
> and
> I am sure she's gained an couple ounces since Sat. already.
>
> -Caroline
> 
> Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to
> win!


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RE: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Behnke

Just be careful with the peroxide, it can actually prevent proper healing if
used to much.  Weird but true.  I was doing that with Momma's back as well
until I talked to the vet about it.  I did notice that it worked great when
I first started using it, but eventually the spot stopped healing.

Chris


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back

Hey guys,
 
Stretch's back is healing up quite nicely!  Thank you for the advice!  The
spot was larger than a quarter, and it was just raw skin-no fur and the top
layers of skin were missing; it was completely reddish, poor baby.  I had
already had him on a course of antibiotics, which I'm sure helped, but after
reading advice from this site and another, I started using hydrogen peroxide
3-4 times a day to "disinfect" the spot, and immediately after, I would put
antibiotic cream on her.  The spot is now the size of a dime.  It's healing
from the edges in, instead of forming a complete scab.  Weird, but
nevertheless, it is healing, thank goodness!  I really think that it might
have been a spider bite instead of an allergic reaction, but we will never
know.  
 
:)
Wendy

 
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
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Re: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

Caroline,

You can get tapeworm tabs online much cheaper.

I asked my vet, because we sometimes have small kittens come in from
the local kill shelter with tapeworms, and they are the same dosage of
active ingredient as Droncit.

http://tinyurl.com/39kpve




On 8/9/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't
> get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes
> somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why
> I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt
> she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the
> cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to
> make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory
> infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the
> first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they
> were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured
> my mom into calling the vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even
> though we never heard from him and know that he has other clinics that are
> open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a live person!  That
> person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so
> we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't
> knowyour alls' guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about
> that.
> My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess
> the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would
> usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she
> doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found
> a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a
> tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5
> ounces!!!  I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had
> trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there--
> she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just
> the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the
> vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.
> She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.
> Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right and
> then some...we wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum,
> food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess
> we know more of what we are doing than we thought.  AND my usually reluctant
> to do "rescues" mother has even said that she is "willing to do more of
> this" as long as she has the resources set up ahead of time- meaning, ready
> access to a vet, if vet care is needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a
> discount!  She got out of there with a $59 bill.
> As for calling the owner, we are in no rush.  My mom still has major
> concerns based on how tight the collar was on the cat- so tight it rubbed
> the fur off, if she was supposed to be an outside cat or indoor/outdoor cat-
> why isn't she micro chipped, and she did end up a long way from home, etc.
> I'm probably going to call them and feel them out before I release too much
> info.  What I DON'T want to happen is to have a reluctant owner lie to us
> and say yeah, we want her back, and then just surrender her to Animal
> Control after we turn her over, or just let her back out in this heat, etc.
> I am not going to have done all this work on this cat for NOTHING!
> The cat is back home at my mom's, no doubt loving the a/c.  She's happy and
> I am sure she's gained an couple ounces since Sat. already.
>
> -Caroline
> 
> Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to
> win!


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OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-09 Thread Caroline Kaufmann


My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured my mom into calling the vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even though we never heard from him and know that 
he has other clinics that are open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a live person!  That person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't knowyour alls' guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about that.
My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5 ounces!!!  I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there-- she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.  
She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.  Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right and then some...we wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum, food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess we know more of what we are doing than we thought.  AND my usually reluctant to do "rescues" mother has even said that she is "willing to do more of this" as long as she has the resources set up ahead of time- meaning, ready access to a vet, if vet care is needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a discount!  She got out of there with a $59 bill.  
As for calling the owner, we are in no rush.  My mom still has major concerns based on how tight the collar was on the cat- so tight it rubbed the fur off, if she was supposed to be an outside cat or indoor/outdoor cat- why isn't she micro chipped, and she did end up a long way from home, etc.  I'm probably going to call them and feel them out before I release too much info.  What I DON'T want to happen is to have a reluctant owner lie to us and say yeah, we want her back, and then just surrender her to Animal Control after we turn her over, or just let her back out in this heat, etc.  I am not going to have done all this work on this cat for NOTHING!  
The cat is back home at my mom's, no doubt loving the a/c.  She's happy and I am sure she's gained an couple ounces since Sat. already.
 
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Re: Brewer's Yeast

So far they are all fine.

We have been doing this for 4 months now.

But good advice.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Brewer's Yeast


  I've never used Brewer's yeast for cats, but one of my dogs had an allergic 
reaction to it.
  Her ears turned bright red and were very itchy. The vet said it was similar 
to a yeast infection.
  I'd be very cautious about the dosage.


  Jane


























  On Aug 9, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Melissa Lind wrote:


Yea for Papillion! I love the name too!



I’ll have to sprinkle a little nutritional yeast for my piggies tonight! J



Melissa

Re: Brewer's Yeast

Papillon is a very "macho" kitty, he was an un neutered tom that was dumped @ 
the local pound.

A "scrapper'  ;)

My vet clinic is so used to naming my cats for me (I'm outta names, I just say 
"Name 'em" !), they had some other named picked out.

I said, 'Oh, no, this one is Papillon"!

They didn't think the name suited him or was macho enough.

I gently reminded them of Steve MacQueen..  :)

Probably was before some of the youngins' @ the clinics time, tho.

Anyway, he is "Pappy" for short, of course.

Handsome flamepoint Balinese.

Quite stuck on himself, too.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Lind 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:00 PM
  Subject: RE: Brewer's Yeast


  Yea for Papillion! I love the name too! 

   

  I'll have to sprinkle a little nutritional yeast for my piggies tonight! J

   

  Melissa

   


--

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:58 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Brewer's Yeast

   

  I forwarded to my vet the protocol that I am using for yeast supplements, and 
he said that was fine.

   

  He also said that the Nutritional Yeast is fine to use too.

   

  I just have to keep Papillon from eating it all, he is quite the little yeast 
pig.

   

  He is my felv+ flamepoint form the area pound.

   

  Came in w/ a very bad neck wound that healed beautifully.

   

  Pisses me off w/ vets say that injured cats that are felv+ won't ever 
heal..

   

  And it pissed off my vet, too

   

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent

RE: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... Theoutcome)

2007-08-09 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane

Nina, in most circumstances I would agree with you absolutely here, but
it did seem as if Glenda had a solid relationship with this shelter so I
am ready to give it the benefit of the doubt in this case.  I would
rather that it was no-kill, of course, and I fault the shelter for that
in the "big picture" but not for Marmalade's death.  However caring the
shelter is as a whole, it only takes one overworked, inattentive or
uncaring employee for something like this to happen.  I trust and hope
the person who actually performed the deed is suffering as much as
Glenda is.
 
I will be right there with you in the march against kill shelters, but I
fear that's a long way down a winding road from where we are today.  
 
Diane R.
 
 
Diane Rosenfeldt 
Legal Secretary
Quarles & Brady LLP 
411 East Wisconsin Avenue 
Suite 2040 
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-4497 

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade...
Theoutcome)


Diane,
I know you are a feral cat advocate and I usually agree with everything
you post, but in this case I do not.  
My only consolation for this terrible situation is that it might in some
way shed light on the practices of our 
municipal shelters.  Glenda wrote to us about how everyone is sorry for
what happened, that it was a "mistake"
that Marmalade was killed, but the truth is there was no mistake made
here.  Shelters are not safe havens with
the best interest of individual animals in mind.  If this facility's
policies, (and the people that operate it) 
were concerned with saving life, then this would not have been possible.


I am writing to the list about this because it is my strong conviction
that so called "shelters" and their policy of 
killing healthy animals can and must be changed.  If every shelter were
as dedicated to saving lives first, the way 
the people on this list are, then things would change.  Here was a cat
that was trapped and taken to the shelter, a 
cat that may or may not have "belonged" to someone, a cat that had
Glenda fighting for his right to live, and still 
they killed him.  It's disgraceful and I can't sit by and not comment
when I hear opinions chalking it up to 
"misunderstanding".  This cat was killed because there weren't enough
people, or a strong enough advocate, to make 
sure he wasn't.  Marmalade suffered this fate because the people at the
shelter were not interested in saving lives.  
He is one of many, many animals that die each day because it is easier
to kill them then to figure out a way to save 
them.  If every shelter in our country decided that their number one
objective was to save lives rather than end them, 
things would change.

Please, everyone join Nathan Winograd in his No Kill movement toward a
more enlightened approach to the way this 
country deals with overpopulation.  Here is his website:
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/nathanwinograd_004.htm

Here is a paste from a recent nmhp forum discussion with Nathan
Winograd.  He has changed my mind-set about the 
possibilities of a no-kill nation.  I hope he changes yours.


The real deception going on in this country is the great lie that
animals are being killed in the United States because there are "too
many animals, not enough homes." The vast majority are being killed
because shelters refuse to put into place all the programs and services
of the No Kill Equation, which are necessary to save lives. Just to give
you one example, every time a shelter kills a neonatal kitten because
they lack a foster program, that is a completely preventable death. To
say that kitten was killed because of "pet overpopulation" is not only
misleading, it is a bald faced lie. Yet most groups repeat that lie over
and over and over. So if the concern is deception, it starts with the
kill-oriented traditionalists. How many websites talk about shelters
which are saving 91% or more of animals? How many websites state that No
Kill has been achieved and others should follow suit? How many say that
the reason kittens are being killed is because the shelter director
obstinately refuses to implement a foster program? In fact, the most
misleading and deceptive term of them all is "shelter." Most shelters
are nothing of the sort. They are, pure and simply, death camps.

Ask yourself if your shelter has:

1. A fully functioning volunteer program where at least 300 people
for every 100,000 human residents actually help at least one time per
week at the shelter? 

2. Offsite adoptions at multiple locations seven days per week?

3. Socialization programs so that cats get out of their cages at
least two times per day and dogs at least three times for walks and play
time?

4. Medical & behavior rehabilitation programs?

5. A fully functioning TNR (Hu

Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread Belinda

   There's a very simple, responsible remedy for this, at least for pet 
owners who purport to be responsible --- KEEP YOUR PETS INSIDE OR IN AN 
ENCLOSURE OR SUPERVISED ON A LEASH OR HARNESS when outside.  There *in 
my opinion*, is NO excuse not to and if you don't you have no reason or 
excuse to cry when one gets hit by a car, eaten by wildlife or killed by 
a animal hating neighbor  I personally find it extremely hard to 
have sympathy for anyone under these circumstances.


I even read one, if not two, news stories of another AS in our state 
who put down someone's pet who had been located, the people had called 
and were on their way to pick it up, get there, and it's gone.


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Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread laurieskatz

I have done the same thing here. Found someone who lived nearby to say the cat 
was theirs. It worked for us.
  - Original Message - 
  From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

  It's devastating -- I was in a similar situation, but I was able to get the 
cat out - who to say whether a cat was feral or not - I don't agree with any of 
the things that has been posted.  You should be able to get the kitty out!!!

  You can get the cat out - for a different way.
  You can simply claim that that was your cat - which I did twice  - though 
they were not mine - the fact that they were acting wild or trapped in a trapp 
has nothing to do with the fact that a cat is feral or not-how could they prove 
that they are not your cat?  They can't.
  What kind of city is this?  we give ALL the animals at least 7 days for an 
adoption -
  I don't understand this - why did the cop take you your personal trap?  It is 
your personal pocesssion - I don't believe they had a right to take him -- it's 
so frustrating,, I will be s upset if they had put him down 
- this is not right.

  Please let us know what you find out asap -- 

  so devastated

  Hideyo

- Original Message - 
From: Melissa Lind 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: Exactly what are my rights here?

Hi Glenda,

I didn't read this until this morning at work. What horrible people for not
letting you back to see Marmalade. I've got my fingers crossed for him. It's
so sad how many people don't care about our fellow creatures. Let us know
right away about Marmalade. He sounds like a great cat who deserves a chance
(don't they all?!).

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

Hello everyone,
Several of you here know my story about trapping an
orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
trap. The cat was then transported to our local
shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
he became the property of the county shelter...He was
trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
call the officer...
The shelter decided Monday morning he was a
wild"feral" cat and told me he was put in with the
wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did
say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came
forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see
the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could
not see him. I asked if I could take him to be
tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I
made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I
could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day
waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday
morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him ,
see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of
wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker
,because he was in the wild kitty section, I  was not
allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they
were worried about liability...I tried to understand
their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn
in their behind, because at least they had given me
permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning.
I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at
9:00am. I was using the same vet they use...
Last night I was heading down to the shelter after
work and had decided to bring up some points about if
this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I
decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had
an investment in the cat and if the cat were
young...looked under three years old...was there maybe
someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with
a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like
that...I called my friend on the way home and decided
one more day would not hurt that much and at least
after the test I'd have one important plus to work
with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend
to rattle people enough as it is...
Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my
phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi
Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you.  If you
get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise
call me in the morning...I got the message after 
9:00pm.
Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to
conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and
they will tell me he tested neg. 
I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of
the story

Re: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... The outcome)

By the way, Nathan Winograd's book comes out on 9/1.

Preorder it today.  Read it and change the world:)

http://tinyurl.com/3c2ey6

On 8/9/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> blessings, nina.
>
> next, let's talk about all the feral groups that routinely still kill FIVs
> and FeLVs based on a single test.
>
> MC
>
>
>
> --
>
> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
> Maybe That'll Make The Difference
>
> MaryChristine
>
> AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ: 289856892

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To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread Heather Wienker

Glenda-

I have mostly just read and only posted here once or twice before...but I've
been reading about Marmalade and am crying with you.

I know how horrible you feel as I work with rescue and have seen/heard many
similar situations.   Our city is not small enough to use "backwards" as an
excuse for the things that I hear ofand laws regarding holding perdiods
do not seem to be reliable, I know someone who's 6 ferals & one pet on her
property were trapped, AS was closed when she got home and found out.
Called first thing in the a.m. and all had been put down.   Any asking I've
done in these situations receives very vague and open ended responses about
how space and other variables can basically result in an animal being
euthanized at any time, if I'm interpreting correctly...seems to be how most
AC agencies operate.

I received a call a few weeks ago about an injured cat from our campus
policewas dealing with trying to trap another injured cat (and work) at
the moment so was a bit stressed...and so glad when the officer called back
to say the cat had been taken to a vet to be treated.   I vaguely remembered
missing a call later that day while I was on another line and neglected to
check voice mail before leaving--which is not good, I should have been
checking just for work issues, and forgot the Officer's number had popped up
on my screen.   I was out feeding my many colonies that evening when I
thought to check voice mail...and there was a message from the officer
around 2 or 3 p.m.that he was wrong and they still needed helpso I
called the UP, got a dispatcher who said AS had picked up the cat hours
earlier (this was around 8 p.m.).   Of course I couldn't get through to
AS...but was fortunate that someone gave me the number for their rescue
contact there who was very nice and said she'd find out first thing in the
a.m. and hold the cat for the group (though I could tell that when I
mentioned it was injured that the outlook might not be good).  Next a.m. she
followed up wtih me promptly but didn't have news yet, cat had been taken to
a local E-vetan hour or two later she called, she had been euthanized.
Apparently due to the broken leg, but not the E-vet's call from what I
understand.   Ir onically, our AS is currently undergoing an "overhaul" in
response to audit criticism's and an article was published locally this week
which showed a picture of an injued dog that had been savedit really
bothered me as to me this suggested to the public that taking an injured
animal to AS might be a good way to get help for it...when everything I know
or have heard is quite different in terms of the expected outcome for an
injured animaleven a healthy animal, of course.

How do I feel, except that this cat could have been saved had I checked my
voice mail.   I never got to see her, just know she was a sweet little
calico with a broken legand one of the many who things like this happen
to every day.I belong to a rescue list/yahoo group and have seen other
sad cases where even seasoned rescuers who know very well how AS works made
the call to save a cat 5 minutes too late.or, AS made a mistake and put
the cat down anyway.   I even read one, if not two, news stories of another
AS in our state who put down someone's pet who had been located, the people
had called and were on their way to pick it up, get there, and it's gone.

I'm so sorry for the loss of Marmalade...many people know how you feel.   I
haven't learned many lessons since doing rescue and working with ferals that
weren't heartbreaking and didn't cost a life...and I'm not one who is able
to view it as "I did my best", I only see where I could have avoided the
mistake that cost a precious life.It's an awful feeling.

Marmalade will be in my prayers...with many others.

-- 
Heather
"...I never listen to Dogs"
-Sassy, Homeward Bound

Re: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... The outcome)

I LOVE NATHAN WINOGRAD.   He is hope and sanity in a hopeless and insane world.

He also answered one of my questions on the NMHP forum.  :) i have the
same name there;)

On 8/9/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Diane,
I know you are a feral cat advocate and I usually agree with
> everything you post, but in this case I do not.
My only consolation for
> this terrible situation is that it might in some way shed light on the
> practices of our
municipal shelters. Glenda wrote to us about how everyone
> is sorry for what happened, that it was a "mistake"
that Marmalade was
> killed, but the truth is there was no mistake made here. Shelters are not
> safe havens with
the best interest of individual animals in mind. If this
> facility's policies, (and the people that operate it)
were concerned with
> saving life, then this would not have been possible.

I am writing to the
> list about this because it is my strong conviction that so called "shelters"
> and their policy of
killing healthy animals can and must be changed. If
> every shelter were as dedicated to saving lives first, the way
the people
> on this list are, then things would change. Here was a cat that was trapped
> and taken to the shelter, a
cat that may or may not have "belonged" to
> someone, a cat that had Glenda fighting for his right to live, and still
>
they killed him. It's disgraceful and I can't sit by and not comment when I
> hear opinions chalking it up to
"misunderstanding". This cat was killed
> because there weren't enough people, or a strong enough advocate, to make
>
sure he wasn't. Marmalade suffered this fate because the people at the
> shelter were not interested in saving lives.
He is one of many, many
> animals that die each day because it is easier to kill them then to figure
> out a way to save
them. If every shelter in our country decided that their
> number one objective was to save lives rather than end them,
things would
> change.

Please, everyone join Nathan Winograd in his No Kill movement
> toward a more enlightened approach to the way this
country deals with
> overpopulation. Here is his website:
> http://www.nathanwinograd.com/nathanwinograd_004.htm

Here
> is a paste from a recent nmhp forum discussion with Nathan Winograd. He has
> changed my mind-set about the
possibilities of a no-kill nation. I hope he
> changes yours.


The real deception going on in this country is the great
> lie that
animals are being killed in the United States because there are
> "too
many animals, not enough homes." The vast majority are being
> killed
because shelters refuse to put into place all the programs and
> services
of the No Kill Equation, which are necessary to save lives. Just to
> give
you one example, every time a shelter kills a neonatal kitten
> because
they lack a foster program, that is a completely preventable death.
> To
say that kitten was killed because of "pet overpopulation" is not
> only
misleading, it is a bald faced lie. Yet most groups repeat that lie
> over
and over and over. So if the concern is deception, it starts with
> the
kill-oriented traditionalists. How many websites talk about
> shelters
which are saving 91% or more of animals? How many websites state
> that No
Kill has been achieved and others should follow suit? How many say
> that
the reason kittens are being killed is because the shelter
> director
obstinately refuses to implement a foster program? In fact, the
> most
misleading and deceptive term of them all is "shelter." Most
> shelters
are nothing of the sort. They are, pure and simply, death
> camps.

Ask yourself if your shelter has:

1. A fully functioning volunteer
> program where at least 300 people
for every 100,000 human residents actually
> help at least one time per
week at the shelter?

2. Offsite adoptions at
> multiple locations seven days per week?

3. Socialization programs so that
> cats get out of their cages at
least two times per day and dogs at least
> three times for walks and play
time?

4. Medical & behavior rehabilitation
> programs?

5. A fully functioning TNR (Humane Trap-Neuter-
> Return for feral cats) program that replaces killing with neutering?
>
> 6. A foster care program that can foster as many as 25-30% of all
> impounded animals (and higher during peak periods)?
>
> 7. Low and no cost spay/neuter opportunities for at risk animals,
> somewhere in the neighborhood of a minimum of 1,000 surgeries for every
> 100,000 human residents?
>
> 8. Adoption programs seven days a week with evening and weekend
> hours? (And without rules and regulations that have no basis in reality
> but prevent good adoptions such as no puppies or kittens for families
> with young children, which is the rule at my local shelter!)
>
> 9. Carte blanche for legitimate rescue groups to save any animal on
> death row, any time?
>
> 10. Programs beyond haphazard advice from hurried workers on the
> telephone to help owners overcome the behavioral, medical and
> environmental conditions whic

Re: Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... The outcome)

2007-08-09 Thread MaryChristine

blessings, nina.

next, let's talk about all the feral groups that routinely still kill FIVs
and FeLVs based on a single test.

MC


-- 

Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-09 Thread Jane Lyons

I've never used Brewer's yeast for cats, but one of my dogs had an  
allergic reaction to it.
Her ears turned bright red and were very itchy. The vet said it was  
similar to a yeast infection.

I'd be very cautious about the dosage.

Jane













On Aug 9, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Melissa Lind wrote:


Yea for Papillion! I love the name too!



I’ll have to sprinkle a little nutritional yeast for my piggies  
tonight! J




Melissa



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Brewer's Yeast



I forwarded to my vet the protocol that I am using for yeast  
supplements, and he said that was fine.




He also said that the Nutritional Yeast is fine to use too.



I just have to keep Papillon from eating it all, he is quite the  
little yeast pig.




He is my felv+ flamepoint form the area pound.



Came in w/ a very bad neck wound that healed beautifully.



Pisses me off w/ vets say that injured cats that are felv+ won't  
ever heal..




And it pissed off my vet, too



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened  
claws."

 Trajan Tennent

Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Equation (was Marmalade... The outcome)

2007-08-09 Thread Nina

Diane,
I know you are a feral cat advocate and I usually agree with everything you post, but in this case I do not.
My only consolation for this terrible situation is that it might in some way shed light on the practices of our
municipal shelters. Glenda wrote to us about how everyone is sorry for what happened, that it was a "mistake"

that Marmalade was killed, but the truth is there was no mistake made here.
Shelters are not safe havens with
the best interest of individual animals in mind. If this facility's policies, (and the people that operate it)
were concerned with saving life, then this would not have been possible.

I am writing to the list about this because it is my strong conviction that so called "shelters" and their policy of
killing healthy animals can and must be changed. If every shelter were as dedicated to saving lives first, the way
the people on this list are, then things would change. Here was a cat that was trapped and taken to the shelter, a
cat that may or may not have "belonged" to someone, a cat that had Glenda fighting for his right to live, and still
they killed him. It's disgraceful and I can't sit by and not comment when I hear opinions chalking it up to
"misunderstanding". This cat was killed because there weren't enough people, or a strong enough advocate, to make
sure he wasn't. Marmalade suffered this fate because the people at the shelter were not interested in saving lives.
He is one of many, many animals that die each day because it is easier to kill them then to figure out a way to save
them. If every shelter in our country decided that their number one objective was to save lives rather than end them,
things would change.

Please, everyone join Nathan Winograd in his No Kill movement toward a more enlightened approach to the way this
country deals with overpopulation. Here is his website: http://www.nathanwinograd.com/nathanwinograd_004.htm

Here is a paste from a recent nmhp forum discussion with Nathan Winograd. He has changed my mind-set about the
possibilities of a no-kill nation. I hope he changes yours.

The real deception going on in this country is the great lie that
animals are being killed in the United States because there are "too
many animals, not enough homes." The vast majority are being killed
because shelters refuse to put into place all the programs and services
of the No Kill Equation, which are necessary to save lives. Just to give
you one example, every time a shelter kills a neonatal kitten because
they lack a foster program, that is a completely preventable death. To
say that kitten was killed because of "pet overpopulation" is not only
misleading, it is a bald faced lie. Yet most groups repeat that lie over
and over and over. So if the concern is deception, it starts with the
kill-oriented traditionalists. How many websites talk about shelters
which are saving 91% or more of animals? How many websites state that No
Kill has been achieved and others should follow suit? How many say that
the reason kittens are being killed is because the shelter director
obstinately refuses to implement a foster program? In fact, the most
misleading and deceptive term of them all is "shelter." Most shelters
are nothing of the sort. They are, pure and simply, death camps.

Ask yourself if your shelter has:

1. A fully functioning volunteer program where at least 300 people
for every 100,000 human residents actually help at least one time per
week at the shelter?

2. Offsite adoptions at multiple locations seven days per week?

3. Socialization programs so that cats get out of their cages at
least two times per day and dogs at least three times for walks and play
time?

4. Medical & behavior rehabilitation programs?

5. A fully functioning TNR (Humane Trap-Neuter-

Return for feral cats) program that replaces killing with neutering?

6. A foster care program that can foster as many as 25-30% of all
impounded animals (and higher during peak periods)?

7. Low and no cost spay/neuter opportunities for at risk animals,
somewhere in the neighborhood of a minimum of 1,000 surgeries for every
100,000 human residents?

8. Adoption programs seven days a week with evening and weekend
hours? (And without rules and regulations that have no basis in reality
but prevent good adoptions such as no puppies or kittens for families
with young children, which is the rule at my local shelter!)

9. Carte blanche for legitimate rescue groups to save any animal on
death row, any time?

10. Programs beyond haphazard advice from hurried workers on the
telephone to help owners overcome the behavioral, medical and
environmental conditions which cause them to surrender their pets?

11. Good public relations that keeps the shelter in the public eye?

12. A compassionate, hard working director who holds his or her
staff accountable making sure customer service is good, people are
friendly, the shelter is clean and responsive, and all the cages and
kennels

RE: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-09 Thread Melissa Lind

Yea for Papillion! I love the name too! 

 

I'll have to sprinkle a little nutritional yeast for my piggies tonight! :-)

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Brewer's Yeast

 

I forwarded to my vet the protocol that I am using for yeast supplements,
and he said that was fine.

 

He also said that the Nutritional Yeast is fine to use too.

 

I just have to keep Papillon from eating it all, he is quite the little
yeast pig.

 

He is my felv+ flamepoint form the area pound.

 

Came in w/ a very bad neck wound that healed beautifully.

 

Pisses me off w/ vets say that injured cats that are felv+ won't ever
heal..

 

And it pissed off my vet, too

 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: Hideyo :(

2007-08-09 Thread laurieskatz

I have not been reading whatever has happened.
Hideyo you have been a great help to me. Isabella and many others like her 
benefit from your experience, strength and hope. I hope you will stay and 
respect your decision if you decide to leave and will wish you well. God bless.
Laurie 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:54 PM
  Subject: Hideyo :(

  I wish that you wouldn't unsubscribe.

  You have been a great help to me, my cats & many others on this list.

  People make mistakes, we are all only human, unfortunately, and we as a 
species are not as smart as animals.

  But if you choose to unsubscribe, I respect your descision, and you will be 
missed.  :(

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent

Brewer's Yeast

I forwarded to my vet the protocol that I am using for yeast supplements, and 
he said that was fine.

He also said that the Nutritional Yeast is fine to use too.

I just have to keep Papillon from eating it all, he is quite the little yeast 
pig.

He is my felv+ flamepoint form the area pound.

Came in w/ a very bad neck wound that healed beautifully.

Pisses me off w/ vets say that injured cats that are felv+ won't ever 
heal..

And it pissed off my vet, too

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Hideyo :(

I wish that you wouldn't unsubscribe.

You have been a great help to me, my cats & many others on this list.

People make mistakes, we are all only human, unfortunately, and we as a species 
are not as smart as animals.

But if you choose to unsubscribe, I respect your descision, and you will be 
missed.  :(

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Kelly S.

Hey, Kelly, the feral group w AHS is signing folks up.

This would be a great place to get your feet wet w/ the Austin feral scene and 
meet some folks, get some great advice & network.

Email offine if you want the contact purrson's email addy.

Sorry, I don't have your email addy or I would have emailed you offline...  
:)
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

On 8/9/07, glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
..I
> > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS:
> >
> > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> > UPSET
> > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> > AFRAID
> > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
> > IN
> > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> > NIGHT
> > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED.
> >
No, the lesson is - do not ever take any animal to a kill facility
period, ever, ever, ever.

You do not have any rights once you do so.  They may decide to be nice
and let you have the animal back.  Howeer, if you "get in their face"
they almost certainly will not.  If you anger someone it is a lot
easier to make a "mistake".  If you don't take the animal there -
there are no mistakes to be made.

-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...I am unsubscribing the list

HI MY DEAR HIDEYO, I AM SO SORRY MY TELLING YOU ALL
THIS HAS MAD SO MANY PEOPLE SAD. I AM ESPECIALLY SORRY
TO HAVE HURT YOU. PLEASE READ MY POST TO NINA. WE ARE
ALL HERE TO LEARN AND HELP EACH OTHER HELP OUR
ANIMALS. YOU HAVE BEEN SO WONDERFUL AND SO VALUABLE.
YOU HAVE GIVEN ME SOME OF MY VERY BEST INFORMATION.
YOU MAY HAVE SAVED THOSE LITTLE FIV POSITIVE KITTES
FROM BEING PUT DOWN . YOUR POST WAS VERY POWERFUL. I
FORWARDED IT TO THE TWO LADIES WITH THOSE KITTENS...AS
WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER VERY CONVINCING POSTS FROM
OTHERS HERE. I HAVE ALREADY CRIED SEVERAL TIMES
READING THESE POSTS HERE . I AM CRYING NOW. ONE THING
WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE ON, IS OUR ANIMALS ARE
PRECIOUS...HUMANS HAVE SO FAR TO GO. I ALWAYS SAY: I
WISH I COULD LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE
TO NEVER EXPLOIT OUR OTHER CREATURES, EXAMPLE , WE
NEED TO QUIT EATING ANYTHING WITH A FACE! MAYBE I AM A
BIT RADICAL < BUT I THINK MOST OF US HERE ARE ,ALL IN
OUR OWN WAY OR AT LEAST WE MIGHT SEEM TO BE IN ONE
ANOTHER'S OPINIONS.  I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS
LETTER FAST, NEED TO HEAD FOR WORK...MAYBE I'M NOT
MAKING A LOT OF SENSE TO SOME OUT THERE, BUT I DO FEEL
WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE , BECAUSE WE ALL CARE
DEEPLY! I SEND YOU MY LOVE AND MY HEART HIDEYO. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR HELP WHEN I NEEDED HELP.
 GLENDA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is just horrible! I am sorry but I just don't
> understand why you even took him to the pound
> anyway. That's the studiest thing I ever heard!! (I
> am sorry - but I am just too upset about this
> situation) -- 
> Sometimes people may have a good intention, but just
> not good enough - a precious litel life is taken
> away from our ignorance -
> This just did it for me - I am going to unsubscribe
> the list - I cannot keep reading these posts. I wish
> I were stronger.  I wanted to help people who need a
> help and wanted to share my experience.   I can't
> stop crying to find out what happened to marmalade
> -- I hope whoever was involved in the lose of
> marmalade will learn a precious lesson and not to
> let her death in vain -
> 
> But don't ever ever take feral to the pound -- I am
> so angry!! What were you thinking!!!?
> If you don't know what you are doing,, please know,
> sometimes, things are better untouched -- especially
> with feral kitties.
> 
> I wish you all good luck, thank you those who
> suppored me when I needed it.
> 
> Dear mamalade,
> Please forgive our ignorance and what we did to you
> - may your soul rest peace now, may your soul come
> back to have a longer and happier life - I am so
> very sorry,, I wish I could have done something to
> take you away before they did anything to you..
> The meantime, to honor your soul, I am going to name
> my little feral orange kitty whom I rescued a week
> ago, and who is now living with me, after you,
> Marmalade.
> 
> my deepest love and hugs to you, precious little
> sould, marmalade..
> 
> 
> Hideyo
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: glenda
> Goodman 
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:01 AM
>   Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> 
> 
> 
>   --- glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>   > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
>   > From: glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
>   > To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   > 
>   > HELLO EVERYONE, 
>   > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND
> SUPPORT.
>   > THE
>   > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
>   > NOW. 
>   > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
>   > HAPPENED:  
>   > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
> HIS
>   > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
> DOWN
>   > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED
> EVERYONE
>   > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
>   > SECTION...I
>   > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
>   > 
>   > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
>   > UPSET
>   > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
>   > AFRAID
>   > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
> IT
>   > IN
>   > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
>   > NIGHT
>   > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE
> HAPPENED. 
>   > 
>   > THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO
> LOVE
>   > AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
>   > RELATIONSHIP,
>   > TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE
> TOOK
>   > MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
>   > STREET,
>   > TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY
> AT
>   > MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
>   > TEST
>   > WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED
> THE
>   > CAT
>   > TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
>   > NOTICED
>   > A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
>   > MIGHT
>   > TEST POSITIVE

RE: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

2007-08-09 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane

Glenda, I'm so sorry it ended this way for Marmalade, and for you.  It
sounds like just a very unfortunate set of circumstances.  You say you
know this shelter and trust the people there, so it doesn't sound like
you were irresponsible in bringing him there.  It doesn't sound like
they are kill-crazy the way many shelters are, and it sounds like the
people there really do care.  Gentle Bridge vibes to Marmalade, and hugs
to you.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...


--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> HELLO EVERYONE, 
> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> THE
> WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> NOW. 
> I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> HAPPENED:  
> WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
> PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
> THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> SECTION...I
> GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> 
> EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> UPSET
> WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> AFRAID
> TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
> IN
> A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> NIGHT
> MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
> 
> THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO LOVE
> AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
> RELATIONSHIP,
> TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE TOOK
> MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
> STREET,
> TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
> MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
> TEST
> WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
> CAT
> TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
> NOTICED
> A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
> MIGHT
> TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
> POSITIVE! 
> 
> I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
> HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
> HE
> WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
> YOUNG
> LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE I"M
> COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO A
> SOLUTION SOMEHOW. SHE IS A VERY GOOD PERSON AND LIKE
> THE REST OF US ,BUT WITH A VERY HARD JOB...THE GAL,
> A
> WORKER AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TOLD ME EVERYONE FELT
> SICK YESTERDAY AFTER THIS HAPPENED. 
> 
> WE ALL HAVE SUCH A LONG WAY TO GO TO MASTER THE
> PERFECT WAYS TO PROTECT OUR ANIMALS. IT REALLY IS
> JUST
> SUCH A HARD WORLD...I THINK EVERYONE OF US COULD
> JUST
> CRY OUR EYES OUT ALL DAY LONG FOR ALL THE SADNESS IN
> THE WORLD. I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH! 
> 
> I WILL BE TALKING WITH A COUPLE OF THESE FERAL CAT
> ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET SOMETHING
> STARTED HERE. 
> THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TALKING TO DEB, OUR HS
> DIRECTOR HERE, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT LIKE THE TNR
> PROGRAMS THAT MUCH. I PERSONALLY, COULD ONLY AGREE
> WITH SUCH PROGRAMS IF ALL THE CATS WERE DISEASE FREE
> AND VERY WELL CARED FOR...THAT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE
> WILLING TO BE VERY INVOLVED. 
> I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVED IN MAUI, HAWAII FOR CLOSE
> TO
> FIVE YEARS , 2001-2005.  I WAS ON THE BOARD OF THEIR
> HUMANE SOCIETY FOR ROUGHLY A YEAR + AND I BECAME
> AWARE
> OF THE FERAL CAT SITUATION THERE, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
> I
> HAD FRIENDS INVOLVED WHO WERE SO SELFLESS, SO
> DEDICATED...THERE IS HUGE SUPPORT THERE FOR SUCH
> PROGRAMS...SADLY, ALL FREE ROAMING CATS ARE HARD ON
> BIRDS...SOMETHING TO CONSIDER...IT IS JUST A MATTER
> OF
> SPAYING/NEUTERING. WITH ALL THE PEOPLE WORKING SO
> HARD
> I CANNOT IMAGINE AN END TO THE PROBLEM,BUT THEY ARE
> PUTTING A DENT IF ONLY TO KEEP THE POPULATIONS IN
> CHECK...
> I'M OFF TO MY JOB. I FEEL A LITTLE BETTER HAVING YOU
> GUYS OUT THERE TO TALK TO. IF I DECIDE TO START UP A
> PROGRAM HERE BY TRYING TO GATHER PEOPLE WILLING TO
> GET
> INVOLVED, IT WILL BE CALLED "MARMALADE'S WILD KITTY
> ORGANIZATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I SERIOUSLY FEEL
> HE
> WAS A SPECIAL CAT...BUT AREN'T THEY ALL? 
>  I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED SOMETHING BAD NEEDS TO BRING
> SOMETHING GOOD IN IT'S PLACE.
> FOR ALL OF YOU OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LOST
> ON MY STORY HERE, THE REASON I WANTED THIS CAT
> TESTED,
> IN THE FIRST PLACE, WAS BECAUSE HE TANGLED WITH MY
> ADORED KITTY, FEETO. FEETO GOT BIT ON HIS FACE ABOUT
> 8-DAYS AGO WHILE THIS CAT WAS CHECKING OUR HOME OUT
> AS
> A PROSPECT FOR A GOOD LIFE. FEETO HAD JUST RAN
> OUTSIDE
> TO THE BASE OF OUR FRONT STEP.
> MARMALADE,  ALSO, SPENT TIME AT MY FRIEND'S DOWN THE
> STREET...HE JUST SHOWED UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A
> COUPLE WEEKS AGO.I DID ADMIRE THE INTELLIGENCE OF
> THIS
> CAT FOR THE WAY HE THOUGHT AND I RESPECT A SURVIVOR.
>

RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

NINA, I WANT TO ANSWER YOU QUICKLY HERE. I BROUGHT MY
CAT TRAP DOWN TO MY FRIENDS. THE CAT WAS TRAPPED IN
HER YARD . SHE CALLED ME SUNDAY EVENING TO TELL ME HE
HAD BEEN TRAPPED. I WAS ON MY WAY, A SHORT WALK TO HER
HOUSE TO PICK THE CAT UP. I PLANNED TO TAKE HIM IN IN
THE MORNING WHEN THE HUMANE SOCIETY WAS OPENED. THE
CAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO SPEND THE ENTIRE NIGHT IN MY
TRAP THAT WAY. WELL, IN OUR TOWN IF IT IS AFTER HOURS
AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY IS CLOSED YOU CALL THE POLICE
DEPT. THEY WILL PICK UP THE ANIMAL AND RELEASE IT INTO
A MORE COMFORTABLE SETTING...MY FRIEND AND I DECIDED
TO HAVE THE CAT PICKED UP. I PLANNED TO DEAL WITH IT
IN THE MORNING...THEN WAS TOLD THE CAT WAS A
FERAL...LIKE BEYOND HOPE...GETTING THIS CAT TESTED
,BECAUSE I REALLY NEEDED TO KNOW IT'S HEALTH STATIS
,BECAUSE MY CAT HAD FOUGHT WITH IT WAS STEP ONE. AFTER
THAT, AFTER LEARNING IF IT WERE DISEASE FREE WOULD BE
STEP TWO. I WOULD TAKE IT UNDER MY WING , SOMEHOW, GET
IT NEUTERED...ALL THIS IF MY VET TOLD ME IT WERE
REASONABLY YOUNG. I FELT LIKE THIS CAT COULD HAVE A
FUTURE. WITH MY PERSONAL SITUATION RIGHT NOW, I HAVE
THREE CAT SITUATIONS GOING ON AT MY HOUSE. MY FOUR BIG
BOYS, MY GIRL BOY KITTENS, AND MY FeLV+ LITTLE GIRL.
THROWING IN A WILD AND WOOLY FERAL TO TAME DOWN WOULD
HAVE REALLY STRETCHED ME THIN...EVERYONE GETS A SHIFT
RIGHT NOW> THREE SHIFTS WOULD HAVE TURNED INTO FOUR. I
DO NOT MIX MY GROUPS...I STILL WOULD HAVE BUSTED MY
BUTT TO SAVE THIS GUY, WHOM I NAMED MARMALADE. YOU
HAVE READ MY RECENT POSTS ,BUT MY EARLY ONE'S YOU HAVE
MISSED ,SO OF COURSE  YOU ARE A BIT LOST. I PROBABLY
SOUND LIKE A NUT...SORRY... THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK
TO ME ON THIS. I DID HAVE PLAN A, B, AND C DOWN FOR
THIS CAT...BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL
DESERVES TO HAVE SOMEONE LOOKING OUT FOR HIM. I HAD
EVERY INTENTION OF LOOKING OUT FOR THIS LITTLE GUY,
BUT I TOTALLY SCREWED UP! I AM SO VERY SORRY! I SHOULD
HAVE KEPT HIM OVER NIGHT TO START WITH. I JUST FELT,
WITH MY REASONABLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MY LOCAL
SHELTER, I COULD GET ON TOP OF THINGS THAT NEXT
MORNING AND WOULD  ALSO HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE HANDS
ON OF OUR SHELTER PEOPLE HERE. I FIGURED I'D GET SOME
OPINIONS... I DID NOT BELIEVE HE WAS A FERAL CAT WHEN
HE WAS TAKEN IN. HE WAS TOO PRETTY AND QUIET.HE WAS
ALSO RIGHT IN OUR YARDS...THE BASE OF MY FRONT STEP
THAT NIGHT HE AND MY CAT FOUGHT. BESIDES,   I HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, BY MY FRIENDS INVOLVED WITH FERALS, 
ONE WAY YOU CAN TELL A FERAL FROM A DOMESTIC, IS
FERALS GO CRAZY IN TRAPS AND SCREAM THEIR HEADS OFF,
DOMESTICS ARE USUALLY QUIET. THIS GUY WAS VERY CALM
AFTER I BEGAN TALKING TO HIM. 
AFTER THIS LETTER I WILL BE OFF THIS SUBJECT, BUT
ANYONE OUT THERE, WHO HAS ANY INSIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT,
PLEASE WRITE TO ME, BECAUSE I FEEL WE CAN ALL LEARN
FROM EACH ONE OF  OUR OWN SCREWUPS :ONE OF THE
BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THIS SITE.
THANK YOU, GLENDA 
--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well this sounds like a very costly lesson for you,
> your friend, but esp for Marmalade.  There are some
> details missing from the story and I'm a bit
> confused.  Why, if you were interested in helping
> this cat did you and your friend decide to call
> animal control in the first place?  What did you
> think was going to happen when you told them you had
> a feral cat in a trap and asked them to come and get
> it?  An owner relinquished cat has very little
> chance of making it out alive from a kill "shelter",
> esp during kitten season when there are so many
> looking for homes, a feral cat has even less of a
> chance.  I would pray that since you have made it so
> clear to the staff at the shelter that you want to
> help this cat that they would take pity on him and
> release him to you, but I doubt that is going to
> happen unless you come up with some sort of
> subterfuge, or get very, very insistent.  It may
> already be too late.  If it were me and I was ready
> to make a life-long commitment to Marmalade, I'd
> find someone from my neighborhood that hasn't
> already been involved to go with me to the shelter
> and claim that Marmalade belongs to them.  I'd tell
> them that I found out that he is an "outside cat"
> and here's his owner.  There will be fines to pay,
> and they may still refuse to let you have him, but
> at this point it's probably your best chance of
> saving his life.
> 
> I can tell from the few previous posts I've read
> from you that you are a caring person and would not
> have set all this in motion if you had known your
> shelter's policies.  Perhaps this experience will
> turn you into an advocate for feral and stray cats
> and in Marmalade's name you will save others from a
> similar experience.  Please educate yourself on TNR
> and other things you can do to champion the cause of
> feral/stray cats.  I don't know the sort of person
> you are, but if you are really willing to get
> involved you can turn your frustration over this
> into a benefit by working to change your local
> shelter's policies.  Some of our most imp

Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...I am unsubscribing the list

2007-08-09 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO

This is just horrible! I am sorry but I just don't understand why you even took 
him to the pound anyway. That's the studiest thing I ever heard!! (I am sorry - 
but I am just too upset about this situation) -- 
Sometimes people may have a good intention, but just not good enough - a 
precious litel life is taken away from our ignorance -
This just did it for me - I am going to unsubscribe the list - I cannot keep 
reading these posts. I wish I were stronger.  I wanted to help people who need 
a help and wanted to share my experience.   I can't stop crying to find out 
what happened to marmalade -- I hope whoever was involved in the lose of 
marmalade will learn a precious lesson and not to let her death in vain -

But don't ever ever take feral to the pound -- I am so angry!! What were you 
thinking!!!?
If you don't know what you are doing,, please know, sometimes, things are 
better untouched -- especially with feral kitties.

I wish you all good luck, thank you those who suppored me when I needed it.

Dear mamalade,
Please forgive our ignorance and what we did to you - may your soul rest peace 
now, may your soul come back to have a longer and happier life - I am so very 
sorry,, I wish I could have done something to take you away before they did 
anything to you..
The meantime, to honor your soul, I am going to name my little feral orange 
kitty whom I rescued a week ago, and who is now living with me, after you, 
Marmalade.

my deepest love and hugs to you, precious little sould, marmalade..

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: glenda Goodman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:01 AM
  Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

  --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
  > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  > 
  > HELLO EVERYONE, 
  > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
  > THE
  > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
  > NOW. 
  > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
  > HAPPENED:  
  > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
  > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
  > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
  > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
  > SECTION...I
  > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
  > 
  > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
  > UPSET
  > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
  > AFRAID
  > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
  > IN
  > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
  > NIGHT
  > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
  > 
  > THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO LOVE
  > AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
  > RELATIONSHIP,
  > TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE TOOK
  > MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
  > STREET,
  > TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
  > MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
  > TEST
  > WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
  > CAT
  > TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
  > NOTICED
  > A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
  > MIGHT
  > TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
  > POSITIVE! 
  > 
  > I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
  > HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
  > HE
  > WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
  > YOUNG
  > LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE I"M
  > COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO A
  > SOLUTION SOMEHOW. SHE IS A VERY GOOD PERSON AND LIKE
  > THE REST OF US ,BUT WITH A VERY HARD JOB...THE GAL,
  > A
  > WORKER AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TOLD ME EVERYONE FELT
  > SICK YESTERDAY AFTER THIS HAPPENED. 
  > 
  > WE ALL HAVE SUCH A LONG WAY TO GO TO MASTER THE
  > PERFECT WAYS TO PROTECT OUR ANIMALS. IT REALLY IS
  > JUST
  > SUCH A HARD WORLD...I THINK EVERYONE OF US COULD
  > JUST
  > CRY OUR EYES OUT ALL DAY LONG FOR ALL THE SADNESS IN
  > THE WORLD. I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH! 
  > 
  > I WILL BE TALKING WITH A COUPLE OF THESE FERAL CAT
  > ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET SOMETHING
  > STARTED HERE. 
  > THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TALKING TO DEB, OUR HS
  > DIRECTOR HERE, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT LIKE THE TNR
  > PROGRAMS THAT MUCH. I PERSONALLY, COULD ONLY AGREE
  > WITH SUCH PROGRAMS IF ALL THE CATS WERE DISEASE FREE
  > AND VERY WELL CARED FOR...THAT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE
  > WILLING TO BE VERY INVOLVED. 
  > I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVED IN MAUI, HAWAII FOR CLOSE
  > TO
  > FIVE YEARS , 2001-2005.  I WAS ON THE BOARD OF THEIR
  > HUMANE SOCIETY FOR ROUGHLY A YEAR + AND I BECAME
  > AWARE
  > OF THE FERAL CAT SITUATION THERE, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
  > I
  > HAD FRIENDS INVOLVED

Re: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

2007-08-09 Thread Kat


Sleep Soft, Dear Marmalade...

You are now free to chase the butterflies without wondering
where your next meal is coming from, or if you'll find a 
warm comfy shelter for the night...

I wonder which Angel you will adopt as your very own...

Your work here is done - Ours is just starting.
You will always be remembered - and loved.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, glenda Goodman wrote:
> > 
> > HELLO EVERYONE, 
> > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> > THE
> > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> > NOW. 
> > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> > HAPPENED:  
> > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
> > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
> > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> > SECTION...I
> > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> > 
> > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> > UPSET
> > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> > AFRAID
> > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
> > IN
> > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> > NIGHT
> > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED.

Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...


--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> HELLO EVERYONE, 
> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> THE
> WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> NOW. 
> I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> HAPPENED:  
> WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
> PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
> THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> SECTION...I
> GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> 
> EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> UPSET
> WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> AFRAID
> TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
> IN
> A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> NIGHT
> MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
> 
> THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO LOVE
> AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
> RELATIONSHIP,
> TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE TOOK
> MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
> STREET,
> TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
> MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
> TEST
> WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
> CAT
> TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
> NOTICED
> A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
> MIGHT
> TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
> POSITIVE! 
> 
> I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
> HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
> HE
> WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
> YOUNG
> LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE I"M
> COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO A
> SOLUTION SOMEHOW. SHE IS A VERY GOOD PERSON AND LIKE
> THE REST OF US ,BUT WITH A VERY HARD JOB...THE GAL,
> A
> WORKER AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TOLD ME EVERYONE FELT
> SICK YESTERDAY AFTER THIS HAPPENED. 
> 
> WE ALL HAVE SUCH A LONG WAY TO GO TO MASTER THE
> PERFECT WAYS TO PROTECT OUR ANIMALS. IT REALLY IS
> JUST
> SUCH A HARD WORLD...I THINK EVERYONE OF US COULD
> JUST
> CRY OUR EYES OUT ALL DAY LONG FOR ALL THE SADNESS IN
> THE WORLD. I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH! 
> 
> I WILL BE TALKING WITH A COUPLE OF THESE FERAL CAT
> ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET SOMETHING
> STARTED HERE. 
> THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TALKING TO DEB, OUR HS
> DIRECTOR HERE, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT LIKE THE TNR
> PROGRAMS THAT MUCH. I PERSONALLY, COULD ONLY AGREE
> WITH SUCH PROGRAMS IF ALL THE CATS WERE DISEASE FREE
> AND VERY WELL CARED FOR...THAT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE
> WILLING TO BE VERY INVOLVED. 
> I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVED IN MAUI, HAWAII FOR CLOSE
> TO
> FIVE YEARS , 2001-2005.  I WAS ON THE BOARD OF THEIR
> HUMANE SOCIETY FOR ROUGHLY A YEAR + AND I BECAME
> AWARE
> OF THE FERAL CAT SITUATION THERE, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
> I
> HAD FRIENDS INVOLVED WHO WERE SO SELFLESS, SO
> DEDICATED...THERE IS HUGE SUPPORT THERE FOR SUCH
> PROGRAMS...SADLY, ALL FREE ROAMING CATS ARE HARD ON
> BIRDS...SOMETHING TO CONSIDER...IT IS JUST A MATTER
> OF
> SPAYING/NEUTERING. WITH ALL THE PEOPLE WORKING SO
> HARD
> I CANNOT IMAGINE AN END TO THE PROBLEM,BUT THEY ARE
> PUTTING A DENT IF ONLY TO KEEP THE POPULATIONS IN
> CHECK...
> I'M OFF TO MY JOB. I FEEL A LITTLE BETTER HAVING YOU
> GUYS OUT THERE TO TALK TO. IF I DECIDE TO START UP A
> PROGRAM HERE BY TRYING TO GATHER PEOPLE WILLING TO
> GET
> INVOLVED, IT WILL BE CALLED "MARMALADE'S WILD KITTY
> ORGANIZATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I SERIOUSLY FEEL
> HE
> WAS A SPECIAL CAT...BUT AREN'T THEY ALL? 
>  I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED SOMETHING BAD NEEDS TO BRING
> SOMETHING GOOD IN IT'S PLACE.
> FOR ALL OF YOU OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LOST
> ON MY STORY HERE, THE REASON I WANTED THIS CAT
> TESTED,
> IN THE FIRST PLACE, WAS BECAUSE HE TANGLED WITH MY
> ADORED KITTY, FEETO. FEETO GOT BIT ON HIS FACE ABOUT
> 8-DAYS AGO WHILE THIS CAT WAS CHECKING OUR HOME OUT
> AS
> A PROSPECT FOR A GOOD LIFE. FEETO HAD JUST RAN
> OUTSIDE
> TO THE BASE OF OUR FRONT STEP.
> MARMALADE,  ALSO, SPENT TIME AT MY FRIEND'S DOWN THE
> STREET...HE JUST SHOWED UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A
> COUPLE WEEKS AGO.I DID ADMIRE THE INTELLIGENCE OF
> THIS
> CAT FOR THE WAY HE THOUGHT AND I RESPECT A SURVIVOR.
> HE WAS BEAUTIFUL TOO, WITH HUGE WHITE FEET. I LOVE
> KITTY FEET!  I STILL PICTURE HIM...HE DID MAKE AN
> IMPRESSION ON ME. 
> THANK YOU GUYS...LATER, GLENDA 
>  
> 
> 
>  
>

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OT: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back

Hey guys,
 
Stretch's back is healing up quite nicely!  Thank you for the advice!  The spot 
was larger than a quarter, and it was just raw skin-no fur and the top layers 
of skin were missing; it was completely reddish, poor baby.  I had already had 
him on a course of antibiotics, which I'm sure helped, but after reading advice 
from this site and another, I started using hydrogen peroxide 3-4 times a day 
to "disinfect" the spot, and immediately after, I would put antibiotic cream on 
her.  The spot is now the size of a dime.  It's healing from the edges in, 
instead of forming a complete scab.  Weird, but nevertheless, it is healing, 
thank goodness!  I really think that it might have been a spider bite instead 
of an allergic reaction, but we will never know.  
 
:)
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Re: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Belinda

This is sad and dangerous, how many peoples pet cats running loose 
outside, ticking off neighbors have been falsely turned in as owner 
surrenders, I'm sure these shelters don't check, just take the word of 
the person surrendering the cat.



Our local high kill shelter can kill "owner surrenders" right away


Me neither ...

I really, really would never take a cat or dog to a kill shelter under
any circumstances whatsoever.  But that's just me.


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RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Nina

Well this sounds like a very costly lesson for you, your friend, but esp for Marmalade. There are
some details missing from the story and I'm a bit confused. Why, if you were interested in helping
this cat did you and your friend decide to call animal control in the first place? What did you
think was going to happen when you told them you had a feral cat in a trap and asked them to come
and get it? An owner relinquished cat has very little chance of making it out alive from a kill
"shelter", esp during kitten season when there are so many looking for homes, a feral cat
has even less of a chance. I would pray that since you have made it so clear to the staff at the
shelter that you want to help this cat that they would take pity on him and release him to you, but
I doubt that is going to happen unless you come up with some sort of subterfuge, or get very, very
insistent. It may already be too late. If it were me and I was ready to make a life-long
commitment to Marmalade, I'd find someone from my neighborhood that hasn't already been involved to
go with me to the shelter and claim that Marmalade belongs to them. I'd tell them that I found out
that he is an "outside cat" and here's his owner. There will be fines to pay, and they
may still refuse to let you have him, but at this point it's probably your best chance of saving
his life.

I can tell from the few previous posts I've read from you that you are a caring
person and would not have set all this in motion if you had known your
shelter's policies. Perhaps this experience will turn you into an advocate for
feral and stray cats and in Marmalade's name you will save others from a
similar experience. Please educate yourself on TNR and other things you can do
to champion the cause of feral/stray cats. I don't know the sort of person you
are, but if you are really willing to get involved you can turn your
frustration over this into a benefit by working to change your local shelter's
policies. Some of our most important lessons come at a very high price. I'm
praying that somehow this story ends up having a happy ending. I'm sorry for
the pain you must be going through, and I'm very sorry for Marmalade. Please
let us know what happens.
Nina

Hello everyone,

Several of you here know my story about trapping an
orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
trap. The cat was then transported to our local
shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
he became the property of the county shelter...He was
trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
call the officer...

Re: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

Our area (Austin) AC policy for ferals is this:

If a cat is brought into the pound W/ A"TIPPED" ear, the local feral cat 
groups are notified to see if anyone is missing it from their colony.

If it is claimed, it is "worked up" (given rabies shot and released back to 
the trapper, provided she has an approved rescue that will pull it for her / 
him.

Our city shelter is not perfect, but it is light years ahead of many others.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
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www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?


You may not have any.  It depends on your local laws, which I would check 
into.

Our local high kill shelter can kill "owner surrenders" right away.
Strays have a 3 day hold time mandated by law (they may consider feral
cats "strays" - I really do not know their feral cat policy and I
should.

If a cat has a registration tag it gets 10 days.

I really, really would never take a cat or dog to a kill shelter under
any circumstances whatsoever.  But that's just me.

Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO

It's devastating -- I was in a similar situation, but I was able to get the cat 
out - who to say whether a cat was feral or not - I don't agree with any of the 
things that has been posted.  You should be able to get the kitty out!!!

You can get the cat out - for a different way.
You can simply claim that that was your cat - which I did twice  - though they 
were not mine - the fact that they were acting wild or trapped in a trapp has 
nothing to do with the fact that a cat is feral or not-how could they prove 
that they are not your cat?  They can't.
What kind of city is this?  we give ALL the animals at least 7 days for an 
adoption -
I don't understand this - why did the cop take you your personal trap?  It is 
your personal pocesssion - I don't believe they had a right to take him -- it's 
so frustrating,, I will be s upset if they had put him down 
- this is not right.

Please let us know what you find out asap -- 

so devastated

Hideyo

  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Lind 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:30 AM
  Subject: RE: Exactly what are my rights here?


  Hi Glenda,

  I didn't read this until this morning at work. What horrible people for not
  letting you back to see Marmalade. I've got my fingers crossed for him. It's
  so sad how many people don't care about our fellow creatures. Let us know
  right away about Marmalade. He sounds like a great cat who deserves a chance
  (don't they all?!).

  Melissa

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:18 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

  Hello everyone,
  Several of you here know my story about trapping an
  orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
  was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
  trap. The cat was then transported to our local
  shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
  he became the property of the county shelter...He was
  trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
  call the officer...
  The shelter decided Monday morning he was a
  wild"feral" cat and told me he was put in with the
  wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did
  say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came
  forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see
  the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could
  not see him. I asked if I could take him to be
  tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I
  made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I
  could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day
  waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday
  morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him ,
  see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of
  wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker
  ,because he was in the wild kitty section, I  was not
  allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they
  were worried about liability...I tried to understand
  their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn
  in their behind, because at least they had given me
  permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning.
  I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at
  9:00am. I was using the same vet they use...
  Last night I was heading down to the shelter after
  work and had decided to bring up some points about if
  this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I
  decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had
  an investment in the cat and if the cat were
  young...looked under three years old...was there maybe
  someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with
  a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like
  that...I called my friend on the way home and decided
  one more day would not hurt that much and at least
  after the test I'd have one important plus to work
  with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend
  to rattle people enough as it is...
  Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my
  phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi
  Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you.  If you
  get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise
  call me in the morning...I got the message after 
  9:00pm.
  Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to
  conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and
  they will tell me he tested neg. 
  I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of
  the story in the morning...
  The fact the beginning of the story is a story in
  itself, should hold everyone until morning...I
  seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd
  like to know what they do with ferals after they are
  caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat
  people in other neighboring areas to see wh

Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread TatorBunz

I agree with what has been said in prior  postings.
When anyone surrenders a pet to a City/County shelter your  rights end there.
Some will work with you because the less they have to do the  better.
This is pretty wide spread through out the  U.S.
 
In some cases like different Humane Societies will have you  fill out a form 
asking if you would like the pet back if owner can't be found.  Then they 
would call you back. Most of the time you would pay the adoption fee  which 
would 
include altering the pet if it hasn't been done so plus getting the  
vaccinations as needed.
Otherwise the pet gets put up for adoption through their  organization.
If it is a Feral cat or just scared they have resources for  this. This may 
include other rescues or interested foster  homes.
 
I hope and pray your able to help this kitty but it doesn't  look good.   :(
 
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RE: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane

Glenda -- I'm not real familiar with the laws and policies on this, and
of course they vary wildly from place to place, but if it's your
understanding that Marmalade became the property of the shelter when you
surrendered him, your rights pretty much ended the moment you
surrendered him.  This is why you should always call the shelter before
physically surrendering a cat, without identifying yourself, to find out
how the cat will be treated once it's there.  And if the shelter
requires that you bring the cat in in order for them to list it as
found, don't do it.  I hope somehow Marmalade bypasses what usually
happens, but I'm afraid it's out of your hands.  It's too bad, too,
since often even shelters can't tell a feral cat from a freaked-out
stray.  The wonderful place I volunteered at for a few months got a new
cat that seemed hostile, and they actually put a note on the cage "BAD
CAT" and they labeled it feral.  (They're not used to getting strays,
they're used to people surrendering cats for rehoming, so this was
outside their expertise.)  Within a day or two they realized that it was
tame but really freaked out.  

Diane R. 


 
Diane Rosenfeldt 
Legal Secretary
Quarles & Brady LLP 
411 East Wisconsin Avenue 
Suite 2040 
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-4497 

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

Hello everyone,
Several of you here know my story about trapping an
orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
trap. The cat was then transported to our local
shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
he became the property of the county shelter...He was
trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
call the officer...
The shelter decided Monday morning he was a
wild"feral" cat and told me he was put in with the
wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did
say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came
forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see
the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could
not see him. I asked if I could take him to be
tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I
made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I
could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day
waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday
morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him ,
see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of
wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker
,because he was in the wild kitty section, I  was not
allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they
were worried about liability...I tried to understand
their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn
in their behind, because at least they had given me
permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning.
I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at
9:00am. I was using the same vet they use...
Last night I was heading down to the shelter after
work and had decided to bring up some points about if
this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I
decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had
an investment in the cat and if the cat were
young...looked under three years old...was there maybe
someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with
a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like
that...I called my friend on the way home and decided
one more day would not hurt that much and at least
after the test I'd have one important plus to work
with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend
to rattle people enough as it is...
Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my
phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi
Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you.  If you
get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise
call me in the morning...I got the message after 
9:00pm.
Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to
conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and
they will tell me he tested neg. 
I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of
the story in the morning...
The fact the beginning of the story is a story in
itself, should hold everyone until morning...I
seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd
like to know what they do with ferals after they are
caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat
people in other neighboring areas to see what type of
programs they have...Thanks for reading this.
Glenda


 


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