date:20070904

I hope it all works out Melissa!
  tonya

Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an 
ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine 
buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on 
the stray that Im looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this 
buddy of mineboth are blind in the right eye. As Im calling for Sarge, out 
comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, 
probably not very gracefully after the vodkasIve noticed quite a few nice 
scratches this morning from last night. 
   
  She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops 
near the litter box on the carpet J. Shes not a friendly kitty that likes to 
cuddlelots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are 
practically poking through. 
   
  I took her to the vet this morning, but I havent figured out what her name 
is yet. Im awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossedfor the test 
and for my marriage! Havent told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over 
the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would 
assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) 
before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks 
old) count as a full cat? J
   
  Hoping for the best
   
  Melissa Lind

Re: Update on Olive: Not good...

Megan,

  People on this list have very different ideas as to whether or not to let 
their cats die naturally or to euthanize.  You have to do what feels right to 
you in your own heart.  When my cats are suffering I euthanize.  And if people 
'could' be euthanized it is what I would choose for myself.

  It's a hard decision, but one you have to make yourself based on your own 
feelings.

  tonya

Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I can tell 
you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of pain and 
I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them 
pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it. It may not be 
pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once 
the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I don't 
think you feel much of anything. Of course I have never died, that is 
just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who 
insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you can do 
for them, I don't think that is always the case. I personally would 
never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had.

> You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far for her 
> sake. You will see her suffer.

-- 

Belinda
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Re: Using Interferon

Hi Laura,
   
  I'm sure someone has answered you by now, but yes, if the interferon was not 
kept refrigerated it is of no use.  (as to everything I've ever heard)
   
  tonya

Laura Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello all. I've been reading the message board for weeks after I came 
across the sweetest abandoned white, fluffy kitten with one blue eye and one 
amber eye. Since you know I found this message board, you can guess that when I 
brought her to the vet she tested positive for felv with the ELISA test. After 
receiving the crushing news, and not knowing a lot about the disease, my vet 
encourgaed me to do research and to see if I could take care of her so we can 
test her again in three months.
   
  I have another 7 year old cat at home that is negative, so I've been keeping 
them seaparted. At first it was hard, but I have a little routine down now. I 
have learned so much in reading this message board and feel supported by 
reading your stories and sharing in your expereinces. Thank you to everyone. 
I'm actually finding this a little theraputic to finally write and find that 
I'm kind of rambling, so let me focus.
   
  I've been giving Grace daily medicine, liquid Interferon and powdered 
L-Lysine. I was feeling really good about this until I realized that the 
Interferon needs to be refrigerated. I feel foolish for even admitting that I 
didn't put it in the refrigerator after I received it. After all, the 
Interferon was delivered in the mail with an ice pack!  I think I know the 
answer, but have the weeks of administering the unrefrigerated Interferon been 
pointless? I plan on calling my vet tomorrow to have her call in another 
perscription for Grace. I guess since it's so late right now, I'm turning to 
the board.
   
  Thank you!
  Laura

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Re: Nova Please add to the CLS

Sherry,
   
  I'm so sorry you're dealing with another loss.
  t

Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well poor Nova has now crossed the bridge.will this aweful disease ever 
cured? Only in our dreams. :(
  Jen sent out an e-mail to all the volunteers tonight about Genevieve and 
Nova.I am getting many e-mails from all the wonderful volunteers that knew how 
much I loved my VitterVits

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RE: 1 YEAR!!

Congratulations!

"Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Kayte, it sounds like 
Crackers is doing fabulously well -- and I'm glad he's so happy with Blue.  
Congratulations on being such a great kitty-and-puppy-mommy!
   
  Diane R.
   
 
Diane Rosenfeldt 
Legal Secretary
Quarles & Brady LLP 
411 East Wisconsin Avenue 
Suite 2040 
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-4497 

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: 1 YEAR!!


  
  Hi everyone! I haven't been on in awhile but I use to post! My cat Crackers 
is FELV POS> Found out 1 yr ago. His 1 yr anniversary of being positive. In the 
last year he has only had 1 eye infection 11 months ago.and has gained 3 1/2 
lbs making him a whooping 22lbs now. He is happy healthy and enjoying life with 
his new brother Blue (8 month American Bulldog) We got him at 9 weeks old. 
Having Blue to play with has been a wonderful experience in Crackers life. They 
play together,eat and sleep together. Just wanted to share the great news and 
THANK everyone again for all the great advice and info I got last year when I 
was going crazy! You guys are the best. And my devilish side wants to so bad 
send his EX Vet Crackers pix and say this is the Baby doll you wanted to put to 
sleep last year with no illness signs just the diagnois of being FELV Pos. Much 
love and Happiness to everyone!
  Kayte and Crackers




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Re: OT:Tiki Cat? other food ideas

Actually, I have never bought the beef for my cats, I have a client who 
recommended it though.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:30 PM
  Subject: Re: OT:Tiki Cat? other food ideas


  The Lite is 3% fat.
  Mine also like the Premium Feast which I think is the one you are talking 
about but I have to keep Frankie out of it. It's 5 or 6 % fat
  I don't feed my cats beef. Fear of mad cow. Probably irrational. Dr. Lisa or 
another vet suggested cats should eat what they would eat in the 
wild...poultry, fish.
  See canned suggestions (and home prepared recipes) at her site:
  www.catinfo.org 
  see also  www.catnutrition.org 
  Best,
  Laurie

- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: OT:Tiki Cat?


Ahhh,I didn't know that Pet Guard had a "lite" formula.

My cats like the liver, chicken & fish flavor the best.

I have heard that the beef formula has LOTS of broth

Haven't served that yet.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:17 PM
  Subject: Re: OT:Tiki Cat?


  Susan, thanks for this.
  When Coco won't eat anything else she will eat the Solid Gold canned 
tuna. I do have to break up the tuna pieces ~ too big.
  Will check this Tiki food out.

  Thanks for Wellness pouch info. Mine used to eat canned Wellness Turkey 
and Salmon. I discontinued when Frankie was diagnosed with pancreatitishe 
now eats the lower fat Petguard Lite Turkey and Barley.

  Laurie
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; asr 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: OT:Tiki Cat?


Has anyone tried this gourmet tuna for cats?

It also comes in a sardine formula.

Not sure how much it costs, one of my clients gave me a case for the 
felv+/fiv+ gang.

They gave it "2paws up" this morning for breakfast...  :)

They have been eating the Solid Gold Gourmet for cats,but the specialty 
stores are having a very hard time getting it in.

I noticed that the Tiki Cat has less juice, gravy, & alot smaller 
chunks, it's more like tiny diced pieces.

The Solid Gold has LOTS of stinky gravy w/big tuna chunks..

Both are easy to hide meds in.  :)

The sardine formula has slime instead of gravy.

As always , I rotate their foods, chicken one day, then a fish item, 
then a turkey...etc

They REALLY like the new Wellness pouch foods...



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: OT:Tiki Cat? other food ideas

2007-09-04 Thread laurieskatz

The Lite is 3% fat.
Mine also like the Premium Feast which I think is the one you are talking about 
but I have to keep Frankie out of it. It's 5 or 6 % fat
I don't feed my cats beef. Fear of mad cow. Probably irrational. Dr. Lisa or 
another vet suggested cats should eat what they would eat in the 
wild...poultry, fish.
See canned suggestions (and home prepared recipes) at her site:
www.catinfo.org 
see also  www.catnutrition.org 
Best,
Laurie

  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:24 PM
  Subject: Re: OT:Tiki Cat?


  Ahhh,I didn't know that Pet Guard had a "lite" formula.

  My cats like the liver, chicken & fish flavor the best.

  I have heard that the beef formula has LOTS of broth

  Haven't served that yet.


  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: OT:Tiki Cat?


Susan, thanks for this.
When Coco won't eat anything else she will eat the Solid Gold canned tuna. 
I do have to break up the tuna pieces ~ too big.
Will check this Tiki food out.

Thanks for Wellness pouch info. Mine used to eat canned Wellness Turkey and 
Salmon. I discontinued when Frankie was diagnosed with pancreatitishe now 
eats the lower fat Petguard Lite Turkey and Barley.

Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; asr 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:09 PM
  Subject: OT:Tiki Cat?


  Has anyone tried this gourmet tuna for cats?

  It also comes in a sardine formula.

  Not sure how much it costs, one of my clients gave me a case for the 
felv+/fiv+ gang.

  They gave it "2paws up" this morning for breakfast...  :)

  They have been eating the Solid Gold Gourmet for cats,but the specialty 
stores are having a very hard time getting it in.

  I noticed that the Tiki Cat has less juice, gravy, & alot smaller chunks, 
it's more like tiny diced pieces.

  The Solid Gold has LOTS of stinky gravy w/big tuna chunks..

  Both are easy to hide meds in.  :)

  The sardine formula has slime instead of gravy.

  As always , I rotate their foods, chicken one day, then a fish item, then 
a turkey...etc

  They REALLY like the new Wellness pouch foods...



  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent

Re: OT:Tiki Cat?

Ahhh,I didn't know that Pet Guard had a "lite" formula.

My cats like the liver, chicken & fish flavor the best.

I have heard that the beef formula has LOTS of broth

Haven't served that yet.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:17 PM
  Subject: Re: OT:Tiki Cat?


  Susan, thanks for this.
  When Coco won't eat anything else she will eat the Solid Gold canned tuna. I 
do have to break up the tuna pieces ~ too big.
  Will check this Tiki food out.

  Thanks for Wellness pouch info. Mine used to eat canned Wellness Turkey and 
Salmon. I discontinued when Frankie was diagnosed with pancreatitishe now 
eats the lower fat Petguard Lite Turkey and Barley.

  Laurie
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; asr 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: OT:Tiki Cat?


Has anyone tried this gourmet tuna for cats?

It also comes in a sardine formula.

Not sure how much it costs, one of my clients gave me a case for the 
felv+/fiv+ gang.

They gave it "2paws up" this morning for breakfast...  :)

They have been eating the Solid Gold Gourmet for cats,but the specialty 
stores are having a very hard time getting it in.

I noticed that the Tiki Cat has less juice, gravy, & alot smaller chunks, 
it's more like tiny diced pieces.

The Solid Gold has LOTS of stinky gravy w/big tuna chunks..

Both are easy to hide meds in.  :)

The sardine formula has slime instead of gravy.

As always , I rotate their foods, chicken one day, then a fish item, then a 
turkey...etc

They REALLY like the new Wellness pouch foods...



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

OT:Tiki Cat?

Has anyone tried this gourmet tuna for cats?

It also comes in a sardine formula.

Not sure how much it costs, one of my clients gave me a case for the felv+/fiv+ 
gang.

They gave it "2paws up" this morning for breakfast...  :)

They have been eating the Solid Gold Gourmet for cats,but the specialty stores 
are having a very hard time getting it in.

I noticed that the Tiki Cat has less juice, gravy, & alot smaller chunks, it's 
more like tiny diced pieces.

The Solid Gold has LOTS of stinky gravy w/big tuna chunks..

Both are easy to hide meds in.  :)

The sardine formula has slime instead of gravy.

As always , I rotate their foods, chicken one day, then a fish item, then a 
turkey...etc

They REALLY like the new Wellness pouch foods...



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: This is pretty interesting

I am so sorry,Jane, what a heartwrenching story.

On another note,I am glad that you did find Meme and you rescued her.

She is a very lucky cat and I am sure that she is very, very 
loved...  :)

Thank you for sharing your story.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting


About 15 minutes ago I opened a newsletter from the "shelter" where I
adopted MeMe. There was a hand written note at the top of the page
that reads "Hi, I think of you so often. So sorry about your bad luck".

My bad luck is MeMe's diagnosis. I have such mixed feelings about this
woman and her "shelter".  I responded to a photo in Petfinder (too soon)
after loosing my 19 year old long haired tortie. There was a close up
photo
of MeMe's face which was an instant plug for the gapping hole in my
heart.

I called the "shelter" and was told how MeMe had been thrown from a car
window onto her front porch. She was skin and bones and had been at her
"shelter" for about four months and although she was getting over an URI
she was spayed and ready for adoption. I asked specifically if she
had been tested
for Felk, and she said she had and she was negative. I sent her a
check and made
arrangements to pick her up ... a seven hour drive each way.

When we arrived at a private home, we were stunned to find a small
house in which
there were over 130 cats (her count). MeMe was on her bed sleeping
with at least
40 other cats. My husband could not breath and went out to the car
while I held my
breath with MeMe sneezing in my arms. I signed adoption papers and
managed to get
MeMe to the car within 3 minutes.

My vet did a work up, but did not test for Felk because I said she
had tested negative.
She had stomatitis, giradia, URI and swollen glands. After many
rounds of antibiotics
and panacur without any change, my homeopath tested her for Felk and
she was positive.

It is an impossible situation. The little kitten was thrown from a
car window onto the front
porch of the local cat lady. The cat lady did her best to care for
her. She had her spayed and
(probably not) tested. She can barely afford to feed the cats that
she has. She gets support
from some local groups, but for the most part it is hand to mouth.

When I told her MeMe was positive she was not surprised. She said she
has four positives in
a separate room. I think of the 39 cats who were sleeping on the bed
with MeMe. It seemed
that many of the cats in the house were sneezing.

It is all so unbelievably sad. I would not have driven 14 hours to
pick up a positive kitten. Now,
knowing this positive kitten, I would have driven across country and
back to help her. I do not
know if this was technically a hoarding situation since she was
advertising on Petfinders. She
was trying her best in an impossible situation.

I intend to write to her to tell her that finding MeMe was my good luck.

Jane

Re: This is pretty interesting

Good point.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting


I would rather take the initiative to test myself which I would no 
matter if the animal had already been tested or not, than to be told it 
was tested and negative and find out later it was a false negative.

-- 

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
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Re: This is pretty interesting

Sucks.

This is exactly why Jan w/House Rabbit decided to go to vet school,and she 
is in her early 50's.

Allthe schoolsthat she applied to turned her down because of her age, except 
a school in the Bahamas.

Jan's a good person, very knowledgable about rabbits,cats & dogs.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting


It makes me want to become a vet and move to a rural area.

The Christ-Yoder thing, I mean.

Apparently the vets there will not work with them at all.  And I know
vets here charge up to $300 for a cat spay.

On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know, I am sure that Christ Yoder is very hard pressed for money.
>
> If adopters were well informed prior to taking the cat, then it MIGHT not 
> be
> such a bad thing.
>
> There are so many people out there who have no idea about felv,the 
> adoption
> staff  @ a  "no test" shelter would really have to be informative for 
> every
> adopter.
>
> And yes, there are no guarantees,ofcourse, 3 months down the line.
>
>
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
>   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
>   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
>   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
> Trajan Tennent
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting
>
>
> On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes, I read the article,and their biggest reason was the cost.
> >
> > It's irresponsible to not test a cat prior to adoption, if nothing else,
> > you
> > will know it was neg/ neg @ the time of testing,can be retested later.
> >
> > So,if you are adopting out cats and charging a fee, what exactly would 
> > the
> > fee cover, besides surgery,(if even that?).
>
> Vaccinations, deworming, whatever has been done to the cat.  Some
> rural shelters can't afford surgery.  I was talking to the new
> director of Christ-Yoder at the TASC conference and she told me that
> she was trying to get local vets to donate just 4 low cost surgeries a
> month and was not having much luck with that. It was really sad.  But
> that's getting off the subject (and Christ-Yoder doesn't combo test
> either that I know of).
>
>
> >
> > Do you (not YOU Kelly) just say, "Well,folks, here is your kitty, it may
> > or
> > may not have felv or fiv.
> > We wouldn't know because we don't test for that here.
> > Feel free to have your new cat tested though.
> > Oh, and if it comes up positive you can talk to your vet about options?"
>
> It looks like what the places who opt not to test do is offer the
> option to the adopter to have the cat tested at the time of adoption.
> Or yes, the person could choose to take the cat to their vet if they
> wanted.
>
> We actually combo test all cats before adoption, but the frustrating
> thing about this disease to me is that one negative or positive test
> doesn't really seem to mean too much.
>
> AAFP standards call for testing a cat any time it becomes severely
> ill, regardless of previous test results.
>
> So really unless you are willing/financially able to retest all cats
> in your household every 6 months or so, you don't know what you have.
>
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Re: This is pretty interesting

2007-09-04 Thread Jane Lyons


About 15 minutes ago I opened a newsletter from the "shelter" where I
adopted MeMe. There was a hand written note at the top of the page
that reads "Hi, I think of you so often. So sorry about your bad luck".

My bad luck is MeMe's diagnosis. I have such mixed feelings about this
woman and her "shelter".  I responded to a photo in Petfinder (too soon)
after loosing my 19 year old long haired tortie. There was a close up  
photo
of MeMe's face which was an instant plug for the gapping hole in my  
heart.


I called the "shelter" and was told how MeMe had been thrown from a car
window onto her front porch. She was skin and bones and had been at her
"shelter" for about four months and although she was getting over an URI
she was spayed and ready for adoption. I asked specifically if she  
had been tested
for Felk, and she said she had and she was negative. I sent her a  
check and made

arrangements to pick her up ... a seven hour drive each way.

When we arrived at a private home, we were stunned to find a small  
house in which
there were over 130 cats (her count). MeMe was on her bed sleeping  
with at least
40 other cats. My husband could not breath and went out to the car  
while I held my
breath with MeMe sneezing in my arms. I signed adoption papers and  
managed to get

MeMe to the car within 3 minutes.

My vet did a work up, but did not test for Felk because I said she  
had tested negative.
She had stomatitis, giradia, URI and swollen glands. After many  
rounds of antibiotics
and panacur without any change, my homeopath tested her for Felk and  
she was positive.


It is an impossible situation. The little kitten was thrown from a  
car window onto the front
porch of the local cat lady. The cat lady did her best to care for  
her. She had her spayed and
(probably not) tested. She can barely afford to feed the cats that  
she has. She gets support

from some local groups, but for the most part it is hand to mouth.

When I told her MeMe was positive she was not surprised. She said she  
has four positives in
a separate room. I think of the 39 cats who were sleeping on the bed  
with MeMe. It seemed

that many of the cats in the house were sneezing.

It is all so unbelievably sad. I would not have driven 14 hours to  
pick up a positive kitten. Now,
knowing this positive kitten, I would have driven across country and  
back to help her. I do not
know if this was technically a hoarding situation since she was  
advertising on Petfinders. She

was trying her best in an impossible situation.

I intend to write to her to tell her that finding MeMe was my good luck.

Jane









On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yes, I read the article,and their biggest reason was the cost.

It's irresponsible to not test a cat prior to adoption, if nothing  
else, you
will know it was neg/ neg @ the time of testing,can be retested  
later.


So,if you are adopting out cats and charging a fee, what exactly  
would the

fee cover, besides surgery,(if even that?).


Vaccinations, deworming, whatever has been done to the cat.  Some
rural shelters can't afford surgery.  I was talking to the new
director of Christ-Yoder at the TASC conference and she told me that
she was trying to get local vets to donate just 4 low cost surgeries a
month and was not having much luck with that. It was really sad.  But
that's getting off the subject (and Christ-Yoder doesn't combo test
either that I know of).




Do you (not YOU Kelly) just say, "Well,folks, here is your kitty,  
it may or

may not have felv or fiv.
We wouldn't know because we don't test for that here.
Feel free to have your new cat tested though.
Oh, and if it comes up positive you can talk to your vet about  
options?"


It looks like what the places who opt not to test do is offer the
option to the adopter to have the cat tested at the time of adoption.
Or yes, the person could choose to take the cat to their vet if they
wanted.

We actually combo test all cats before adoption, but the frustrating
thing about this disease to me is that one negative or positive test
doesn't really seem to mean too much.

AAFP standards call for testing a cat any time it becomes severely
ill, regardless of previous test results.

So really unless you are willing/financially able to retest all cats
in your household every 6 months or so, you don't know what you have.

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Re: This is pretty interesting

2007-09-04 Thread Belinda

   I would rather take the initiative to test myself which I would no 
matter if the animal had already been tested or not, than to be told it 
was tested and negative and find out later it was a false negative.


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Re: This is pretty interesting

It makes me want to become a vet and move to a rural area.

The Christ-Yoder thing, I mean.

Apparently the vets there will not work with them at all.  And I know
vets here charge up to $300 for a cat spay.

On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know, I am sure that Christ Yoder is very hard pressed for money.
>
> If adopters were well informed prior to taking the cat, then it MIGHT not be
> such a bad thing.
>
> There are so many people out there who have no idea about felv,the adoption
> staff  @ a  "no test" shelter would really have to be informative for every
> adopter.
>
> And yes, there are no guarantees,ofcourse, 3 months down the line.
>
>
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
>   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
>   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
>   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
> Trajan Tennent
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting
>
>
> On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes, I read the article,and their biggest reason was the cost.
> >
> > It's irresponsible to not test a cat prior to adoption, if nothing else,
> > you
> > will know it was neg/ neg @ the time of testing,can be retested later.
> >
> > So,if you are adopting out cats and charging a fee, what exactly would the
> > fee cover, besides surgery,(if even that?).
>
> Vaccinations, deworming, whatever has been done to the cat.  Some
> rural shelters can't afford surgery.  I was talking to the new
> director of Christ-Yoder at the TASC conference and she told me that
> she was trying to get local vets to donate just 4 low cost surgeries a
> month and was not having much luck with that. It was really sad.  But
> that's getting off the subject (and Christ-Yoder doesn't combo test
> either that I know of).
>
>
> >
> > Do you (not YOU Kelly) just say, "Well,folks, here is your kitty, it may
> > or
> > may not have felv or fiv.
> > We wouldn't know because we don't test for that here.
> > Feel free to have your new cat tested though.
> > Oh, and if it comes up positive you can talk to your vet about options?"
>
> It looks like what the places who opt not to test do is offer the
> option to the adopter to have the cat tested at the time of adoption.
> Or yes, the person could choose to take the cat to their vet if they
> wanted.
>
> We actually combo test all cats before adoption, but the frustrating
> thing about this disease to me is that one negative or positive test
> doesn't really seem to mean too much.
>
> AAFP standards call for testing a cat any time it becomes severely
> ill, regardless of previous test results.
>
> So really unless you are willing/financially able to retest all cats
> in your household every 6 months or so, you don't know what you have.
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
> Please help George!
>
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>
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>
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Re: This is pretty interesting

I know, I am sure that Christ Yoder is very hard pressed for money.

If adopters were well informed prior to taking the cat, then it MIGHT not be 
such a bad thing.

There are so many people out there who have no idea about felv,the adoption 
staff  @ a  "no test" shelter would really have to be informative for every 
adopter.

And yes, there are no guarantees,ofcourse, 3 months down the line.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting

On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I read the article,and their biggest reason was the cost.
>
> It's irresponsible to not test a cat prior to adoption, if nothing else, 
> you
> will know it was neg/ neg @ the time of testing,can be retested later.
>
> So,if you are adopting out cats and charging a fee, what exactly would the
> fee cover, besides surgery,(if even that?).

Vaccinations, deworming, whatever has been done to the cat.  Some
rural shelters can't afford surgery.  I was talking to the new
director of Christ-Yoder at the TASC conference and she told me that
she was trying to get local vets to donate just 4 low cost surgeries a
month and was not having much luck with that. It was really sad.  But
that's getting off the subject (and Christ-Yoder doesn't combo test
either that I know of).

>
> Do you (not YOU Kelly) just say, "Well,folks, here is your kitty, it may 
> or
> may not have felv or fiv.
> We wouldn't know because we don't test for that here.
> Feel free to have your new cat tested though.
> Oh, and if it comes up positive you can talk to your vet about options?"

It looks like what the places who opt not to test do is offer the
option to the adopter to have the cat tested at the time of adoption.
Or yes, the person could choose to take the cat to their vet if they
wanted.

We actually combo test all cats before adoption, but the frustrating
thing about this disease to me is that one negative or positive test
doesn't really seem to mean too much.

AAFP standards call for testing a cat any time it becomes severely
ill, regardless of previous test results.

So really unless you are willing/financially able to retest all cats
in your household every 6 months or so, you don't know what you have.

-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

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Re: This is pretty interesting

On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I read the article,and their biggest reason was the cost.
>
> It's irresponsible to not test a cat prior to adoption, if nothing else, you
> will know it was neg/ neg @ the time of testing,can be retested later.
>
> So,if you are adopting out cats and charging a fee, what exactly would the
> fee cover, besides surgery,(if even that?).

Vaccinations, deworming, whatever has been done to the cat.  Some
rural shelters can't afford surgery.  I was talking to the new
director of Christ-Yoder at the TASC conference and she told me that
she was trying to get local vets to donate just 4 low cost surgeries a
month and was not having much luck with that. It was really sad.  But
that's getting off the subject (and Christ-Yoder doesn't combo test
either that I know of).

>
> Do you (not YOU Kelly) just say, "Well,folks, here is your kitty, it may or
> may not have felv or fiv.
> We wouldn't know because we don't test for that here.
> Feel free to have your new cat tested though.
> Oh, and if it comes up positive you can talk to your vet about options?"

It looks like what the places who opt not to test do is offer the
option to the adopter to have the cat tested at the time of adoption.
Or yes, the person could choose to take the cat to their vet if they
wanted.

We actually combo test all cats before adoption, but the frustrating
thing about this disease to me is that one negative or positive test
doesn't really seem to mean too much.

AAFP standards call for testing a cat any time it becomes severely
ill, regardless of previous test results.

So really unless you are willing/financially able to retest all cats
in your household every 6 months or so, you don't know what you have.

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Please help George!

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Re: This is pretty interesting

Andalso, from having worked as a clinic nurse in a shelter, it doesn't take 
that long to test cats.

It's part of the "work up"process, meaning all cats /kittens that were moved 
to the adoption area had had their test, shots,deflea & deworm, general 
health eval.

Saying that it was too "time consuming" to test is poppycock when there is 
somuch more that is involved in an animal "work up."


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting


Yes, I read the article,and their biggest reason was the cost.

It's irresponsible to not test a cat prior to adoption, if nothing else, you
will know it was neg/ neg @ the time of testing,can be retested later.

So,if you are adopting out cats and charging a fee, what exactly would the
fee cover, besides surgery,(if even that?).

Do you (not YOU Kelly) just say, "Well,folks, here is your kitty, it may or
may not have felv or fiv.
We wouldn't know because we don't test for that here.
Feel free to have your new cat tested though.
Oh, and if it comes up positive you can talk to your vet about options?"

I know when I helped w/ the Bexar county SPCA rescue, they only tested for
felv, not fiv, to save money.

Their reason was that they did not see very much fiv.

That doesn't bother me.

Not testing for felv bothers me.




Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: This is pretty interesting

Yes, I read the article,and their biggest reason was the cost.

It's irresponsible to not test a cat prior to adoption, if nothing else, you 
will know it was neg/ neg @ the time of testing,can be retested later.

So,if you are adopting out cats and charging a fee, what exactly would the 
fee cover, besides surgery,(if even that?).

Do you (not YOU Kelly) just say, "Well,folks, here is your kitty, it may or 
may not have felv or fiv.
We wouldn't know because we don't test for that here.
Feel free to have your new cat tested though.
Oh, and if it comes up positive you can talk to your vet about options?"

I know when I helped w/ the Bexar county SPCA rescue, they only tested for 
felv, not fiv, to save money.

Their reason was that they did not see very much fiv.

That doesn't bother me.

Not testing for felv bothers me.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting

On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's irresponsible for a shelter not to test the cats /kittens prior to
> adoption, so that the shelter / potential adopters know what they are
> dealing with.
>
> Why would you not test the cats?
>
> That's more irresponsible  than not testing a dog for heartworms.
>
Hi Susan,

If you read the article, they have several reasons - and remember they
are primarily talking about shelters, not rescues:)

I'll just post it here, in the interest of time.  Also, Alley Cat
Allies advocates not testing asymptomatic feral cats.

Response from Susan Cosby:
I am really glad that you asked this question! You have hit on an
issue that is close to my heart. I worked at a shelter where we killed
a few visibly healthy cats who tested positive and that just didn't
seem right. Since that time, I've learned a lot and now I am in a
position to set policy and that policy is: Say no to mass testing.

I used to say that FIV/FeLV testing is an expensive, labor intensive
and inhumane method used to cull cats from animal shelters and feral
cat colonies that must be stopped. That answer didn't make me many
friends in the sheltering world so now I say: "I can save your shelter
thousands of dollars, free up your staff to spend more time caring for
animals, save more lives and generate revenue for your veterinary
services!" That seems to get people to listen to me more than the
first answer. You might want to try the same tactic when speaking with
your local shelter and I am going to provide you with the ammunition
you need to make the argument.

Any organization that is committed to saving animal lives must cease
the practice of mass testing for feline leukemia virus (FeLV) and
feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV). Simply put: the volume of cats
entering the sheltering system in almost every community in America is
at a crisis level. Testing places an undue burden on both the health
of the cats and kittens in the shelter and the resources available to
the shelter and the community. A low percentage of cats testing
positive (1 – 2.5%), a high rate of false positive results in visibly
healthy kittens (up to 50%), and a low percentage of cats that are
diagnosed as positive with FIV who go on to develop symptoms (around
10%), clearly demonstrate that these resources, be they financial or
otherwise, would best be spent to provide low and no-cost spay and
neuter services or other immediately effective lifesaving programs.

This philosophy is shared by prominent organizations such as the
Oregon Humane Society, Neighborhood Cats and the Philadelphia Animal
Welfare Society and by smaller local organizations including the
Animal Welfare Association in New Jersey.

The Oregon Humane Society, who ended mass testing for FeLV in 2001
clearly outlined the drawbacks of this type of testing in a written
response about their organization's policy:

"Testing every cat increased the time a cat spent in the shelter's
holding kennel: Drawing blood and performing a feline leukemia test on
an average of 30 to 50 cats per day took two employees up to four
hours to complete and document. Less than one percent of the cats were
testing positive. Testing caused an enormous delay in getting cats out
for adoption; making them more susceptible to illness (such as upper
respiratory infection or URI). The staff time, low rate of positive
results, and the cost of medical supplies (test kits, needles, and
syringes was $25,000 annually) were important factors in this
decision.

Holding cats while they are awaiting t

Re: Advantage/FrontLine

I squeeze mine into a small brown glass bottle w/a "snap"type to.

The opening will exactly fit a 1cc syringe.

I getmy bottles here in Austin @ People's Pharmacy,not sure where you can 
get yours there.

It doesevaporate quickly, but in this bottle it does not.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Advantage/FrontLine

I've never had any luck saving it.  I tried putting it in baby food
jars, etc.  It evaporates fast.  Maybe someone else has a better idea.
Our low cost vet clinic keeps it in a ...oh I don't know what to call
those things.  The plastic containers you put mustard and ketchup in
and take to picnics, except it is clear.  I doubt they have to save it
for long either, though.

On 9/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for all the info guys!  One more question...if I buy the largest 
> dose
> to treat  4 cats, how long will the other four doses in the tube last 
> after
> its been opened? Would it be wasted, or could I draw it into a syringe or
> something and keep it until their next dose is due?  Not sure whether to 
> buy
> a smaller amount that will dose four times, or get the large one and save
> it.
>
> Michael
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Tue, Sep 4 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Advantage/FrontLine
>
>
> Both Advantage and Frontline Plus for dogs are the same ingredients at the
> same strength as they are for cats.  You just buy the ones for the largest
> dogs and put it into a very small container and use a small eyedropper or
> plastic syringe (without needle and use the regular amount for a cat dose.
> For Frontline Plus a cat dose is .5 mg or .5 cc. so a vial for the largest
> dog does 8 cats.  Also, if you want to do this one a regular basis, buy it
> online from Austrailia and it is much cheaper.
>
> Gary
> - Original Message -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:12 PM
> Subject: Advantage/FrontLine
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Quick question...I've heard a couple of you on here mention you use the
> advantage or frontline for dogs on your cats to save money, can someone 
> fill
> me in on how you do this?  I've noticed one of my positive kitties
> scratching the last couple of days, so I assume she's picked up some fleas
> somewhere.  I was going to treat all three of them, plus 2 or 3 of my
> neighbor's outside cats (since they pretty much live at my house!) but I
> can't hardly afford to pay $13 a pop times six.  Thanks for the info.
> Michael
>
>
> 
> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
>

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RE: Way OT: Far out

2007-09-04 Thread Melissa Lind

This is interesting and gross! It reminds me of something else I heard on
NPR this weekend: It was an old African saying that goes something like
this: "When spider webs get together, they can trap a lion" (or tiger, or
some other large cat). It was a story about people overcoming obstacles,
coming together, etc. I can't remember exactly.  I think this web is proof
of the adage! 

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Way OT: Far out

 

Even Spiders Know Everythings Bigger in Texas
 
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14094404&sc=emaf 

 

What's really interesting is that these particuliarly spiders are not
"social" by nature...

 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

RE: Goodbye, Olive...

2007-09-04 Thread Melissa Lind

Megan,

 

I'm so sad to hear about Olive, but she's at peace and you can be too.
Sometimes the hardest part is not knowing. It's easier to know what's going
to happen-good or bad. Then we can deal with it-it's the not knowing part
that's so hard. Now that this hardest part is over, you can heal and come to
terms with the situation. 

 

I loved the pictures of Olive-thanks for sharing. She was very beautiful!

 

I no longer have an FeLV kitty, but I still read and post on this site
mainly because I want to open a sanctuary someday, and I want to know as
much as I can about FeLV and how to treat it. Of course I can't afford to
open a sanctuary now, but someday.

 

So, you could stay on this list if you want. Sometimes it's just nice to
know you have friends out there. Unfortunately, my posts tend to be
off-topic since I'm not treating an FeLV kitty, but I'm still able to learn
quite a bit from these guys.

 

Best of luck in school! I certainly miss taking and teaching classes. I
might need to sign up for a class for fun to take care of my
school-addiction! The workplace is so overrated.

 

Melissa

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:56 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Goodbye, Olive...

 

Unfortunately, I had to resort to PTS. It was probably the toughest decision


of my life--or at least, the second toughest, the first being to decide to
let 

Olive go in the first place. I spent most of the day yesterday and today
with 

her, and it was miserable watching her fade away. My roommate and I sat by
her 

for hours today. I kept thinking she was about to go, that she'd take one
last 

looking like she'd already passed. At one point she looked like she was
really 

gone, aside from the very slight rising of her chest, and then she rolled
over 

and stretched out, almost as if she were alright... it was heartbreaking.

 

This morning I had thought about trying to save her, but in my heart I feel 

that it would have done more harm than good. Perhaps there was a slight
chance 

I truly could have saved her and reversed the anemia--but I have a feeling
it 

wouldn't have worked out that way, and I didn't want to put Olive through
more 

suffering. She was too young to succumb to this, but if I had tried to keep 

her alive, I feel that it would've been out of my own selfish reasons. I
will 

miss her so much, but I am glad that she went out easy. I am sorry that I 

could not give her a longer life, but at least the one she had was a great 

one. She was one of the best kitties ever.

 

The vet called me this afternoon asking for an update, and I told him of my 

decision, but that I still didn't know which way to go about it. He told me 

he'd be at the clinic for about 20 more minutes, so I told him I might call 

back. After discussing it with my roommate and boyfriend, I called back. It 

was terrible. But at least Olive got to enjoy a last meal of tuna before 

parting this world. She'd not eaten in a while, and I was happy to see her 

gobble up quite a bit of it.

 

Here are some photos of Olive, if you're interested:

http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/olive.JPG

http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/olive2.JPG

http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/babyolive.JPG

http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/kittens.JPG (Juniper on left, Kudzu on right)

 

She was not very photogenic, so I don't have many good photos of her...

 

Thank you guys for all of your help. I did not mean to come off as
ungrateful 

in one of my previous emails. I was in so much pain, and so confused. I'm 

feeling better now, because I know I did the right thing, as awful as it
was.

 

I wish you and all your kitties good luck. I may eventually leave this list,


as I should hopefully no longer have use of it for some time being... But
I'll 

stay on for a bit. Thank you, everyone, so much.

 

-Megan

OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed

2007-09-04 Thread Melissa Lind

Well, here's the update: first of all, for those of you who might remember,
I mentioned being in the family way a while back, so you might be concerned
about my alcohol intake. I guess I didn't mention that we lost the baby :-(.
Not that I want to burden you guys with personal stuff, but for those who
were scratching their heads and wondering what kind of person I was..

 

Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this
weekend to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our
house, it seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from
the vets' office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still
at the vets'. I'll pick her up today after work. My husband still doesn't
know about this kitty. I think I'll just bring her home and when he returns
from out of town tomorrow, I'll just wait until he notices the baby running
around and blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!).
The people who were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time
(when they return). In the meantime, it's my plan to take lots of pictures
of her and send them to tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in
Nebraska), so travel would not be difficult to arrange.

 

As for the name, it still hasn't come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka
with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know
it will come to me. 

 

Also, I'm kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I can't help but
thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for
us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I can't help but
think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together. 

 

I'll try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow.

 

Melissa

 

 

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

maybe name the cat Vodka or the name of a vodka mixture--martini 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message - 

From: Susan Dubose   

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:52 PM

Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Melissa,

 

I would comment on "having too much Vodka" but I would probably leave the PG
rating. :)

 

Have a good weekend!

 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind   

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:30 PM

Subject: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Very funny! :-) I hope my husband sees it as funny as well! We always have a
chuckle over the growing number of kitties but not after a lot of grief in
the meantime! I know he's going to be frustrated-as am I since our house is
too small for more cats, but a kitten is so tiny, it surely won't take up
much space!

 

I hate keeping things from him, but this little girl might be a secret this
weekend-unless I have too many vodkas again! Then who knows what will
happen!

 

Melissa

 


  _  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Yes, unfortunately kittens @ 12 weeks count as cats.

 

My boyfriend has the rule " Every set of pointy ears is this house is
considered a cat, regardless if it lives under the bed.".

 

Yes,folks, I even asked  But what if we never SEE the cat, it lives under
the bed, couch, etc"

 

No luck.

 

However, when he used to work out of town a lot, I would ALWYS bring home a
cat or 2.

SometimesI wouldn'tget to talk to him for 2 weeks or so, since he would be
"out in the field" (on a dig) in Mexico or in the west Texas dessert, no
cell phone reception.

 

I always hoped that he "wouldn't recognize" the new cat(s).

 

W/kittens I always tried to foster litters that all "looked"alike, so that
he MIGHT not be able to count them.

 

THAT got blown outta the water when he was sitting on the couch one night
and 3 little orage tabbies ran over

Re: Advantage/FrontLine

2007-09-04 Thread laurieskatz

My experience: Frontline caused a severe allergic reaction in my Winston.
He was severely itchy and rolling back for months. I won't use it again. 
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:12 PM
  Subject: Advantage/FrontLine

  Hey guys,

  Quick question...I've heard a couple of you on here mention you use the 
advantage or frontline for dogs on your cats to save money, can someone fill me 
in on how you do this?  I've noticed one of my positive kitties scratching the 
last couple of days, so I assume she's picked up some fleas somewhere.  I was 
going to treat all three of them, plus 2 or 3 of my neighbor's outside cats 
(since they pretty much live at my house!) but I can't hardly afford to pay $13 
a pop times six.  Thanks for the info. 

  PS, I still have the appointment at the UT veterinary school on the 11th for 
the girls.  In the meantime, they're doing well with the Missing Link and 
Lysine, all three healthy and still happy.  I also got the Pet Temp thermometer 
and have established all their baseline temps so I can keep periodic checks.  
I'll keep you guys updated!

  Michael

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Re: This is pretty interesting

On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's irresponsible for a shelter not to test the cats /kittens prior to
> adoption, so that the shelter / potential adopters know what they are
> dealing with.
>
> Why would you not test the cats?
>
> That's more irresponsible  than not testing a dog for heartworms.
>
Hi Susan,

If you read the article, they have several reasons - and remember they
are primarily talking about shelters, not rescues:)

I'll just post it here, in the interest of time.  Also, Alley Cat
Allies advocates not testing asymptomatic feral cats.

Response from Susan Cosby:
I am really glad that you asked this question! You have hit on an
issue that is close to my heart. I worked at a shelter where we killed
a few visibly healthy cats who tested positive and that just didn't
seem right. Since that time, I've learned a lot and now I am in a
position to set policy and that policy is: Say no to mass testing.

I used to say that FIV/FeLV testing is an expensive, labor intensive
and inhumane method used to cull cats from animal shelters and feral
cat colonies that must be stopped. That answer didn't make me many
friends in the sheltering world so now I say: "I can save your shelter
thousands of dollars, free up your staff to spend more time caring for
animals, save more lives and generate revenue for your veterinary
services!" That seems to get people to listen to me more than the
first answer. You might want to try the same tactic when speaking with
your local shelter and I am going to provide you with the ammunition
you need to make the argument.

Any organization that is committed to saving animal lives must cease
the practice of mass testing for feline leukemia virus (FeLV) and
feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV). Simply put: the volume of cats
entering the sheltering system in almost every community in America is
at a crisis level. Testing places an undue burden on both the health
of the cats and kittens in the shelter and the resources available to
the shelter and the community. A low percentage of cats testing
positive (1 – 2.5%), a high rate of false positive results in visibly
healthy kittens (up to 50%), and a low percentage of cats that are
diagnosed as positive with FIV who go on to develop symptoms (around
10%), clearly demonstrate that these resources, be they financial or
otherwise, would best be spent to provide low and no-cost spay and
neuter services or other immediately effective lifesaving programs.

This philosophy is shared by prominent organizations such as the
Oregon Humane Society, Neighborhood Cats and the Philadelphia Animal
Welfare Society and by smaller local organizations including the
Animal Welfare Association in New Jersey.

The Oregon Humane Society, who ended mass testing for FeLV in 2001
clearly outlined the drawbacks of this type of testing in a written
response about their organization's policy:

"Testing every cat increased the time a cat spent in the shelter's
holding kennel: Drawing blood and performing a feline leukemia test on
an average of 30 to 50 cats per day took two employees up to four
hours to complete and document. Less than one percent of the cats were
testing positive. Testing caused an enormous delay in getting cats out
for adoption; making them more susceptible to illness (such as upper
respiratory infection or URI). The staff time, low rate of positive
results, and the cost of medical supplies (test kits, needles, and
syringes was $25,000 annually) were important factors in this
decision.

Holding cats while they are awaiting the test made them more
susceptible to illness: Most important in the decision to cease
testing every cat was testing interfered with getting cats and kittens
placed for adoption in a timely manner. During our busy season, with
about 50 cats/kittens coming into the shelter daily, performing the
tests slowed down the process of moving cats from the holding kennels
to the adoption kennels. Cats would become ill with URI after 7 to 10
days in the shelter. Many sick cats remained in our shelter for
treatment, were put into foster homes, or unfortunately euthanized for
this treatable illness (URI), not for feline leukemia. The best way we
can protect our cats is to get them through the system and quickly
into a loving home. Since implementation, OHS's adoption rate on cats
has increased significantly.

OHS's goal is to find homes for unwanted animals while keeping them as
healthy as possible while they are in the shelter. Since April 2001
when testing on every cat ceased, OHS experienced a surge in adoptions
of cats and significant reduction in euthanasia."

Through the years more and more shelters that once routinely tested
incoming cats and kittens have ceased the practice. The Animal Welfare
Association stopped mass testing after they determined that less than
one percent of the cats entering the shelter were testing positive and
as many as half of those who did test positive would test negative
when further test

Re: Advantage/FrontLine

2007-09-04 Thread Linda Johnson

I put mine in an amber colored vial which I bought on
ebay.  It holds approximately 10 ml of fluid and has a
sealed lid.  So far it's worked well for me.

Linda


--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've never had any luck saving it.  I tried putting
> it in baby food
> jars, etc.  It evaporates fast.  Maybe someone else
> has a better idea.
> Our low cost vet clinic keeps it in a ...oh I don't
> know what to call
> those things.  The plastic containers you put
> mustard and ketchup in
> and take to picnics, except it is clear.  I doubt
> they have to save it
> for long either, though.
> 
> On 9/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Thanks for all the info guys!  One more
> question...if I buy the largest dose
> > to treat  4 cats, how long will the other four
> doses in the tube last after
> > its been opened? Would it be wasted, or could I
> draw it into a syringe or
> > something and keep it until their next dose is
> due?  Not sure whether to buy
> > a smaller amount that will dose four times, or get
> the large one and save
> > it.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Tue, Sep 4 8:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: Advantage/FrontLine
> >
> >
> > Both Advantage and Frontline Plus for dogs are the
> same ingredients at the
> > same strength as they are for cats.  You just buy
> the ones for the largest
> > dogs and put it into a very small container and
> use a small eyedropper or
> > plastic syringe (without needle and use the
> regular amount for a cat dose.
> > For Frontline Plus a cat dose is .5 mg or .5 cc.
> so a vial for the largest
> > dog does 8 cats.  Also, if you want to do this one
> a regular basis, buy it
> > online from Austrailia and it is much cheaper.
> >
> > Gary
> > - Original Message -
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:12 PM
> > Subject: Advantage/FrontLine
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Quick question...I've heard a couple of you on
> here mention you use the
> > advantage or frontline for dogs on your cats to
> save money, can someone fill
> > me in on how you do this?  I've noticed one of my
> positive kitties
> > scratching the last couple of days, so I assume
> she's picked up some fleas
> > somewhere.  I was going to treat all three of
> them, plus 2 or 3 of my
> > neighbor's outside cats (since they pretty much
> live at my house!) but I
> > can't hardly afford to pay $13 a pop times six. 
> Thanks for the info.
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > 
> > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check
> out free AOL Mail!
> >
> 
> 
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Re: Ripley and Sherman

2007-09-04 Thread Angela Lewis

My vet is recommending a low dose of Valume for the kitties. I explained that I 
didn't want them "drugged" or "completely out of it" but if they had visions of 
mice in their heads, that's fine. ha ha. Anyone had any experiece with Valume? 
Thanks!!! :)

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  v\:* {   BEHAVIOR: 
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 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }  Hi Angela,
   
  Wendy is correct, just make sure kitties have somewhere to hide (maybe your 
bedroom?) and that you visit w/them
  a lot to pet them, reassure them & tell them that you love them.
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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- Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Lind 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:28 PM
  Subject: RE: Ripley and Sherman
  

Angela,
   
  Im not Susan, but I agree that you should help the kitties stay stress-free 
(and yourself!). I know that a few of mine would be terrified and severely 
stressed out with that many people in the house. 
   
  Ive tried Feliwaythey make a plug in. That may work for you. Ive had no 
measurable results but others have. You can purchase these at places like Petco.
   
  Rescue Remedya spray or a dropis sold in the human headache section of 
places like Walgreens. This has also worked for others on the list, but alas, 
not for me.
   
  Last, you could get a prescription for fluoxetine which my Bandit takes (hes 
now off of it though) for anxiety. It is a miracle drug in my opinion. When I 
had my FeLV foster cat staying in the home office by himself, he was very sad. 
I gave him Bandits fluoxetine (Prozac), and the kitty was no longer anxious 
although he was not dopey or drugged appearing in any way.
   
  Id also make sure that access to hiding places was available, and Id move 
their food to a quiet place where they can eat in peace, if possible.
   
  Good luck!
  Melissa
   
  
-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Lewis
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Ripley and Sherman

   
Susan,

 

You helped me thru a hard time with Midnight aka Boy about a week and a 
half ago when he was diagnosed with Feline Leukemia and PTS. I have a 
question Boy's Leukemia showed it's ugly face because of our move to the 
new house (stress on him). Although I have had Sherman and Ripley tested for 
this nasty disease, (thanks to God they were negative!), I am concerned 
that if they get stressed out, this will become an issue again. I am scared to 
pieces to let them feel any anxiety or stress. 

 

 My point is that we have family that will be staying with us next 
week, about 16 people. To say the least, this will be a huge change for the 
kitties since they are use to just two of us being in the house. Is there 
anything I can give the cats to calm them durring this time? (Family will be 
here for four days) I'm paranoid that the slightest stress will make them ill 
(Feline Leukemia will show it's ugly face again). I know they were tested, 
negative, but so was Boy when he was a kitten! We had no idea that he even had 
Leukemia until we moved.  Please advise if you have any suggestions. 

 

 Thanks!

Ang

   


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Re: Question about eye ulcers

I am not able to tell if it is an ulcer on my own.  Maybe someone with
more experience than me can.  I take the cat to the vet and he puts a
solution in the eye, then turns out the lights and looks at the eye
with an instrument.

I have never had any sort of tissue removed from an eye.  I do have a
cat who is blind in one eye who may need the whole thing removed, but
I've never heard of having anythign removed for an ulcer..

On 9/3/07, Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> How can you tell if it is an ulcer?  Would you recommend having the
> dead/diseased tissue removed?  Any help is appreciated as I think one of my
> girls may have this.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
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Re: Advantage/FrontLine

I've never had any luck saving it.  I tried putting it in baby food
jars, etc.  It evaporates fast.  Maybe someone else has a better idea.
Our low cost vet clinic keeps it in a ...oh I don't know what to call
those things.  The plastic containers you put mustard and ketchup in
and take to picnics, except it is clear.  I doubt they have to save it
for long either, though.

On 9/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for all the info guys!  One more question...if I buy the largest dose
> to treat  4 cats, how long will the other four doses in the tube last after
> its been opened? Would it be wasted, or could I draw it into a syringe or
> something and keep it until their next dose is due?  Not sure whether to buy
> a smaller amount that will dose four times, or get the large one and save
> it.
>
> Michael
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Tue, Sep 4 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Advantage/FrontLine
>
>
> Both Advantage and Frontline Plus for dogs are the same ingredients at the
> same strength as they are for cats.  You just buy the ones for the largest
> dogs and put it into a very small container and use a small eyedropper or
> plastic syringe (without needle and use the regular amount for a cat dose.
> For Frontline Plus a cat dose is .5 mg or .5 cc. so a vial for the largest
> dog does 8 cats.  Also, if you want to do this one a regular basis, buy it
> online from Austrailia and it is much cheaper.
>
> Gary
> - Original Message -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:12 PM
> Subject: Advantage/FrontLine
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Quick question...I've heard a couple of you on here mention you use the
> advantage or frontline for dogs on your cats to save money, can someone fill
> me in on how you do this?  I've noticed one of my positive kitties
> scratching the last couple of days, so I assume she's picked up some fleas
> somewhere.  I was going to treat all three of them, plus 2 or 3 of my
> neighbor's outside cats (since they pretty much live at my house!) but I
> can't hardly afford to pay $13 a pop times six.  Thanks for the info.
> Michael
>
>
> 
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>


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Re: Advantage/FrontLine

2007-09-04 Thread ofalegend

Thanks for all the info guys!? One more question...if I buy the largest dose to 
treat? 4 cats, how long will the other four doses in the tube last after its 
been opened? Would it be wasted, or could I draw it into a syringe or something 
and keep it until their next dose is due?? Not sure whether to buy a smaller 
amount that will dose four times, or get the large one and save it.


?


Michael










-Original Message-

From: gary 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Tue, Sep 4 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: Advantage/FrontLine







Both Advantage and Frontline Plus for dogs are the same ingredients at the same 
strength as they are for cats.? You just buy the ones for the largest dogs and 
put it into a very small container and use a small eyedropper or plastic 
syringe (without needle and use the regular amount for a cat dose.? For 
Frontline Plus a cat dose is .5 mg or .5 cc.?so a vial for the largest dog does 
8 cats. ?Also, if you want to do this one a regular basis, buy it online from 
Austrailia and it is much cheaper.


?


Gary



- Original Message - 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:12 PM


Subject: Advantage/FrontLine







Hey guys,


?


Quick question...I've heard a couple of you on here mention you use the 
advantage or frontline for dogs on your cats to save money, can someone fill me 
in on how you do this?? I've noticed one of my positive kitties scratching the 
last couple of days, so I assume she's picked up some fleas somewhere.? I was 
going to treat all three of them, plus 2 or 3 of my neighbor's outside cats 
(since they pretty much live at my house!) but I can't hardly afford to pay $13 
a pop times six.? Thanks for the info. 

Michael



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Re: Advantage/FrontLine

2007-09-04 Thread gary

Both Advantage and Frontline Plus for dogs are the same ingredients at the same 
strength as they are for cats.  You just buy the ones for the largest dogs and 
put it into a very small container and use a small eyedropper or plastic 
syringe (without needle and use the regular amount for a cat dose.  For 
Frontline Plus a cat dose is .5 mg or .5 cc. so a vial for the largest dog does 
8 cats.  Also, if you want to do this one a regular basis, buy it online from 
Austrailia and it is much cheaper.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:12 PM
  Subject: Advantage/FrontLine


  Hey guys,

  Quick question...I've heard a couple of you on here mention you use the 
advantage or frontline for dogs on your cats to save money, can someone fill me 
in on how you do this?  I've noticed one of my positive kitties scratching the 
last couple of days, so I assume she's picked up some fleas somewhere.  I was 
going to treat all three of them, plus 2 or 3 of my neighbor's outside cats 
(since they pretty much live at my house!) but I can't hardly afford to pay $13 
a pop times six.  Thanks for the info. 
  Michael

Re: This is pretty interesting

I used to work in a shelter too, and we did not test to "cull" the cats.
We tested because it was the responsible thing to do.

Yes, I understand that they can test pos. later after an exposure,but if I
adopted a cat /kitten from the shelter and brought it home, and introduced it
to my geriatric cat or one of of my immune compromised cats, and it turned out
to be pos. due to the shelter not testing it (I am thinking in terms of people
who are not knowledgeable), and it exposed my cats to felv., I would be
one.pissed ..off..B.

And I don't want to hear that it's not that contagious, I have a cat that this
happened to from a hoarding house.

It's irresponsible for a shelter not to test the cats /kittens prior to
adoption, so that the shelter / potential adopters know what they are dealing
with.

Why would you not test the cats?

That's more irresponsible than not testing a dog for heartworms.

Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
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From: catatonya
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting

I am against testing cats. I used to work at the shelter, and it is really a
way to cull the population. Plus, if a cat tests negative at a shelter and is
then still kept in cages, cat rooms, etc... with other cats. it could still
wind up positive.
tonya

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This article advocates against combo testing shelter cats. Frankly
I'm not sure what to think. I can see advantages and disadvantages.

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Re: Advantage/FrontLine

2007-09-04 Thread Linda Johnson

The Frontline Plus dosage is .5 ml for cats/kittens
over 8 weeks of age.  I use a small glass vial to hold
the liquid and a syringe to apply the Frontline Plus. 
The application works great with the syringe.  My cats
don't fuss at all as they did when I used the
applicator provided by Merial.

Linda





   

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Re: Advantage/FrontLine

Hi Michael,

You can also get the Frontline or Advantage through
www.lambriarvet.com
www.revivalanimal.com

At this point,I would say either Frontline or Advantage, but it's good 
to"rotate" themevery few months because the fleas do build up an immunity to 
the formulas.

If you get the biggest dog size they have, you can break it down for your cats 
by drawing up what you actually need intoa syringe (wiothout the needle) and 
placing it on the cat behind it's neck (so it cannot lick it).

Let me know if you get the big dog size & I willsend you the correct kitty 
amount.
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
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www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:12 PM
  Subject: Advantage/FrontLine


  Hey guys,

  Quick question...I've heard a couple of you on here mention you use the 
advantage or frontline for dogs on your cats to save money, can someone fill me 
in on how you do this?  I've noticed one of my positive kitties scratching the 
last couple of days, so I assume she's picked up some fleas somewhere.  I was 
going to treat all three of them, plus 2 or 3 of my neighbor's outside cats 
(since they pretty much live at my house!) but I can't hardly afford to pay $13 
a pop times six.  Thanks for the info. 

  PS, I still have the appointment at the UT veterinary school on the 11th for 
the girls.  In the meantime, they're doing well with the Missing Link and 
Lysine, all three healthy and still happy.  I also got the Pet Temp thermometer 
and have established all their baseline temps so I can keep periodic checks.  
I'll keep you guys updated!

  Michael





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RE: question re Mickey's bent ear

That's great news Kerry.  I hope his ears don't have any more problems.
  t

"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks so much Kerry, Nina, Phaewryn, Sally and Susan---sorry if I 
missed anyone---for diagnosing Mickey's condition and generally making me feel 
a whole lot better on Sunday (and helping me make the decision NOT to go to 
emergency clinic, where, apart from anything else, they are not particularly 
nice to feral/semi-feral cats). I took Mickey to my own vet last night, he 
confirmed it was hematoma (sp) and he drained the ear---ton of blood came out. 
If it recurs he'll use the more elaborate (and expensive---that's what I love 
abt my vet; he always tries the simpler and less expensive solution first) 
procedure that involves both anesthetic and inserting a temporary drain device 
in his ear. The trouble is Mickey's ear is still bent over -- perhaps not as 
much -- so with him being semi-feral it's going to be tricky knowing if the 
problem returns. 
  But at least for now we're ok---thanks again SO much everyone!
  Kerry & Mickey



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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear


  
  Junior has this as part of his condition.
   
  He has hematomas in both ears. The vet does not want to stress him by 
draining them, so they are that way all the time. He has no infection or ear 
mites. It must feel funny to him. He looks like  a Scottish Fold kitty. His 
ears are real fat. He does like to have them rubbed. 
   
  I remember a Tom Cat we had on the farm I had as a kid. He had the 
cauliflower ears. I thought it was from fighting, but I now know it was 
probably from ear mites. 
   
  Sally

 
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Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS

I'm so sorry, Susan.  :(
  t

Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking 
about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night.  He was 
fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this 
week.  He was eating and cuddling up with me then.   Sat. morning I didn't 
bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all 
looked so comfortable that I just left them.  Was gone most of the day and when 
I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him 
up.  His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue 
comiing out and the eye dripping.  The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him 
because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation.  I 
sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized.  I have never ever seen 
anything like that.
   
  Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me.  He had gone 
downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an 
end, but I sure didn't expect this.  He was adopted from a kill shelter by an 
elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive.  Then she died and 
I've had him about 5 years.  Such a sweetheart.

Re: This is pretty interesting