Re: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank?
I also saw a little machine on TV that makes oxygen and doesn't require a tank. On Dec 29, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Cougar Clan wrote: A vet can write one. Best to buy one if possible. Getting some companies to rent one for use for a pet can be difficult. A question: divers have tanks. Can one be converted for use? On Dec 29, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I had one but passed it on to someone else - can't remember who. The husband of a local rescuer, an engineer, had made it, and she passed it on to me. He had covered the openings of a carrier with plastic, and attached a connector that the oxygen tank attached to. Course oxygen tanks aren't readily available, you have to have a prescription for them. Gloria On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Claudia wrote: Hi, I'm relatively new to this board. I'm so glad that something like this exists for people with fiv cats. There's some really great advice on here. I have a question: someone told me about home- made Oxygen tanks for cats. I have an fiv kitty who also has asthma. I'm cautious about using Steroids on her. One time she ahd a really bad episode, couphing, panting, and lying on her side. IT was awful. I rushed her to the vet. THey of course had an Oxygen tank. Anyway, I'd really appreciate the instructions, if anyone had them. Thank you, Claudia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank?
Welders use tanks of oxygen and you can rent or buy them, just don't know if the oxygen in them would be considered safe to breathe. Gary - Original Message - From: "Cougar Clan" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank? A vet can write one. Best to buy one if possible. Getting some companies to rent one for use for a pet can be difficult. A question: divers have tanks. Can one be converted for use? On Dec 29, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I had one but passed it on to someone else - can't remember who. The husband of a local rescuer, an engineer, had made it, and she passed it on to me. He had covered the openings of a carrier with plastic, and attached a connector that the oxygen tank attached to. Course oxygen tanks aren't readily available, you have to have a prescription for them. Gloria On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Claudia wrote: Hi, I'm relatively new to this board. I'm so glad that something like this exists for people with fiv cats. There's some really great advice on here. I have a question: someone told me about home- made Oxygen tanks for cats. I have an fiv kitty who also has asthma. I'm cautious about using Steroids on her. One time she ahd a really bad episode, couphing, panting, and lying on her side. IT was awful. I rushed her to the vet. THey of course had an Oxygen tank. Anyway, I'd really appreciate the instructions, if anyone had them. Thank you, Claudia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3722 (20081229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sidney, How is General?
Sidney, thinking of you and the General and hoping he is improving?? Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV kittens
We had a litter of 4 and mama. Two of the kittens made it to one year and died soon thereafter. I can't recall what killed them (Carmen, do you remember~ was it cancer? Dawn and Dana). L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV kittens Lorrie, I'm sorry for your losses. Kittens with felv have the least chances of making it. Once they get over a year or two their chances greatly improve. I'm so sorry. tonya Lorrie wrote: I wrote two weeks or so ago about a very sick FelV kitten who was anemic and had lost control of her back legs, and her bladder. We took her to the vet and he felt she was in the last stages of FelV, with little or no hope for recovery. She was 9 months old and only weighed 3 and a half pounds. Sadly she soon went to the rainbow bridge. Then yesterday we found another of her litter mates dead with absolutely no apparent sickness. This kitten was eating, playing and acted fine, but suddenly died. We've so far lost 4 kittens from this litter of FelV pos. kittens, and it's heart breaking. Has anyone else found kittens who look fine, eat well and play and then suddenly die? I don't think this is a symptom of FelV, and I'm wondering if this last kitten we found dead yesterday had a genetic heart problem or something else unrelated to FelV. Any ideas? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank?
A vet can write one. Best to buy one if possible. Getting some companies to rent one for use for a pet can be difficult. A question: divers have tanks. Can one be converted for use? On Dec 29, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I had one but passed it on to someone else - can't remember who. The husband of a local rescuer, an engineer, had made it, and she passed it on to me. He had covered the openings of a carrier with plastic, and attached a connector that the oxygen tank attached to. Course oxygen tanks aren't readily available, you have to have a prescription for them. Gloria On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Claudia wrote: Hi, I'm relatively new to this board. I'm so glad that something like this exists for people with fiv cats. There's some really great advice on here. I have a question: someone told me about home- made Oxygen tanks for cats. I have an fiv kitty who also has asthma. I'm cautious about using Steroids on her. One time she ahd a really bad episode, couphing, panting, and lying on her side. IT was awful. I rushed her to the vet. THey of course had an Oxygen tank. Anyway, I'd really appreciate the instructions, if anyone had them. Thank you, Claudia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV kittens
Lorrie, I'm sorry for your losses. Kittens with felv have the least chances of making it. Once they get over a year or two their chances greatly improve. I'm so sorry. tonya Lorrie wrote: I wrote two weeks or so ago about a very sick FelV kitten who was anemic and had lost control of her back legs, and her bladder. We took her to the vet and he felt she was in the last stages of FelV, with little or no hope for recovery. She was 9 months old and only weighed 3 and a half pounds. Sadly she soon went to the rainbow bridge. Then yesterday we found another of her litter mates dead with absolutely no apparent sickness. This kitten was eating, playing and acted fine, but suddenly died. We've so far lost 4 kittens from this litter of FelV pos. kittens, and it's heart breaking. Has anyone else found kittens who look fine, eat well and play and then suddenly die? I don't think this is a symptom of FelV, and I'm wondering if this last kitten we found dead yesterday had a genetic heart problem or something else unrelated to FelV. Any ideas? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murdoch Please add him to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry about Murdoch, Sherry - bless his heart. Prayers coming for Stryker.. Gloria On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Well I'm sure you all remember me asking for prayes for this sweet guy.He quickly went down hill and Dr. Jen had to let him go tonight.He was a rough looking orange fluffy guy with a crumpled ear.But the cutest little face to love. Also could you say a little prayer for Stryker? He is at the clinic and not doing so well.Thank you all for being here. Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank?
I had one but passed it on to someone else - can't remember who. The husband of a local rescuer, an engineer, had made it, and she passed it on to me. He had covered the openings of a carrier with plastic, and attached a connector that the oxygen tank attached to. Course oxygen tanks aren't readily available, you have to have a prescription for them. Gloria On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Claudia wrote: Hi, I'm relatively new to this board. I'm so glad that something like this exists for people with fiv cats. There's some really great advice on here. I have a question: someone told me about home-made Oxygen tanks for cats. I have an fiv kitty who also has asthma. I'm cautious about using Steroids on her. One time she ahd a really bad episode, couphing, panting, and lying on her side. IT was awful. I rushed her to the vet. THey of course had an Oxygen tank. Anyway, I'd really appreciate the instructions, if anyone had them. Thank you, Claudia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murdoch Please add him to the CLS :(
Blessings to both Murdoch and Stryker and to all who care for them. They know they are loved and, in their own wonderful way, they return the love a hundred thousand fold. On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Well I'm sure you all remember me asking for prayes for this sweet guy.He quickly went down hill and Dr. Jen had to let him go tonight.He was a rough looking orange fluffy guy with a crumpled ear.But the cutest little face to love. Also could you say a little prayer for Stryker? He is at the clinic and not doing so well.Thank you all for being here. Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Murdoch Please add him to the CLS :(
Well I'm sure you all remember me asking for prayes for this sweet guy.He quickly went down hill and Dr. Jen had to let him go tonight.He was a rough looking orange fluffy guy with a crumpled ear.But the cutest little face to love. Also could you say a little prayer for Stryker? He is at the clinic and not doing so well.Thank you all for being here. Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Assist Feeding vs Force Feeding
Lorrie, you say he won't eat unless you sit with him and give him small bits of food. could it be that he likes the attention and doing tihs gets him even more? he doesn't feel good and wants mommy to give him comfort and attention. animals are like children, they know what buttons to push. i can see that in my own babies. Homey #1 wants out or canned food. i don't give it to her right away and she will rub things, knocking them down, walk in front of me so slow. all that stops when she gets what she wants. Homey @2 has a sinus infection and is sneezing a lot. she doesn't want her nose wiped, but keeps coming back for more and every time i sit, she is on mylap. she knows i will wipe her nose, but is willing to put up with that to get what she wants. dorlis Lorrie wrote: > Hi Sharyl, > > I see what you mean about "assist" rather than "force", and I would > definitely assist feed a cat who is just off it's food for awhile or > one who had a non terminal illness. The story I wrote about happened > many years ago, and this cat was dying of kidney failure, but I was > too young and too dumb to know it, and I kept hoping he'd get better. > Now I realize I was probably torturing the poor cat by forcing food > into him. > > As a matter of fact I am "assist feeding" my very old cat now. His > recent blood work was very good for his age, and he had his teeth > cleaned again, plus had an extraction, but he will not eat unless I > sit there with him, and give him small amounts of food several > times a day. I see what you mean about assist rather than force. > > Lorrie > > > On 12-29, Sharyl wrote: I'm hoping Lorrie did not mean she would > > never assist feed another cat.? There are so many reasons a cat > > stops eating that can be treated if a person is willing to assist > > feed for a period of time.? Constipation and dehydration are two > > that come to mind that anyone of us with a FeLV+ kitty might face.? > > Assist feeding while the medical problem is being addressed will > > save the cat's life. ? There are many ways to assist feed.? Please > > note I use the term assist feeding instead of force feeding.? A lot > > of the process is the state of your mind while helping your cat.? I > > assist my cats to consume the daily calories they need.?? My > > Pequita only eats if I spoon feed her on my bed.? Works for her, > > works for me.? ? Bright Eyes is bouncing back and forth between > > diarrhea and constipation while I try and figure out the problem > > and the right dose of lactulose.? ?He gets syringe fed 20 cc of > > Gerbers 2 Chicken and Gravy every few hours to supplement what > > little he does eat on his own.? He is the only one of the 4 FeLV+ > > babies I rescued last fall that isn't doing well.?? I've accepted > > that I might lose him but by golly he isn't going to starve to > > death.? I can't fix FeLV but I can prevent starvation.? ? Once > > again here is the link to the Yahoo Assist Feeding group. > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ It is a > > good one to bookmark. Sharyl > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Assist Feeding vs Force Feeding
Hi Sharyl, I see what you mean about "assist" rather than "force", and I would definitely assist feed a cat who is just off it's food for awhile or one who had a non terminal illness. The story I wrote about happened many years ago, and this cat was dying of kidney failure, but I was too young and too dumb to know it, and I kept hoping he'd get better. Now I realize I was probably torturing the poor cat by forcing food into him. As a matter of fact I am "assist feeding" my very old cat now. His recent blood work was very good for his age, and he had his teeth cleaned again, plus had an extraction, but he will not eat unless I sit there with him, and give him small amounts of food several times a day. I see what you mean about assist rather than force. Lorrie On 12-29, Sharyl wrote: I'm hoping Lorrie did not mean she would > never assist feed another cat.? There are so many reasons a cat > stops eating that can be treated if a person is willing to assist > feed for a period of time.? Constipation and dehydration are two > that come to mind that anyone of us with a FeLV+ kitty might face.? > Assist feeding while the medical problem is being addressed will > save the cat's life. ? There are many ways to assist feed.? Please > note I use the term assist feeding instead of force feeding.? A lot > of the process is the state of your mind while helping your cat.? I > assist my cats to consume the daily calories they need.?? My > Pequita only eats if I spoon feed her on my bed.? Works for her, > works for me.? ? Bright Eyes is bouncing back and forth between > diarrhea and constipation while I try and figure out the problem > and the right dose of lactulose.? ?He gets syringe fed 20 cc of > Gerbers 2 Chicken and Gravy every few hours to supplement what > little he does eat on his own.? He is the only one of the 4 FeLV+ > babies I rescued last fall that isn't doing well.?? I've accepted > that I might lose him but by golly he isn't going to starve to > death.? I can't fix FeLV but I can prevent starvation.? ? Once > again here is the link to the Yahoo Assist Feeding group. > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ It is a > good one to bookmark. Sharyl > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)
Amanda, I am so sorry to hear about your beloved kitty. Please don't blame yourself. It sounds like you loved him very much and did ALL you could for him, out of love. And yes, 7 years is a long time! A lot of FeLV+'s don't even live past 2-3 years. Mine lived 4.5 and I felt lucky to have had him that long. He developed anemia. The best you can do is feed a good diet, supplement with immune boosting things like l-lysine, etc., and keep kitty stress free. That's all we can do really. And love them to pieces. Other than that, it's up to the good Lord how long we are blessed with their presence, as any of our loved ones are. Please ask any specific questions you may have and the archives are a great place to look for really good info. Take care and I hope you are comforted by all the good memories you have of Silver Chan. :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: amanda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:18:27 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long) Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a little blood, I thought he just had a delicate stomach, so took care not to give him too much food, ( he ate 3 small meals aday) He always had some stress from stray cats passing on garden /land, taht May he growled at one, so not sure if it was related. Anyway we adopted 3 more cats this summer, he's very good with other cats, but he would get annoyed if they followed us on our walks, but we soon left them and went alone which he loved but he didn't mind sharing the house with them. Well just over 3 weeks ago I noticed him breathing fast, I thought his heart had worsened but it was lymphoma cancer in his chest and fluid arround his lungs, we tried chemo but made him worst and he lost alot of weight, so he was just made comfortable for the last weeks, he died on the 22nd. Of course I'm going through the self blame phrase, I wish I hadn't given him cat food as snacks! and many other things, I have anorther cat who has it now, he had interferon and is now better and is on a raw diet and lactoferrin and digestive enzymes, is there anything else I can do for him? And do you think my cat Silver chan could have lived longer? I mean when he first lost weight last year, maybe he should have had interferon again? I'm sure it was all FeLV related but what could I or should I have done? I really thought he didn't have FeLV anymore, and
Re: [Felvtalk] Claudia ~ asthma info
Claudia, I have 2 cats with asthma (and 2 of my angel cats had asthma). Good idea to use inhaled meds. That was a very serious attack your kitty had. Inhaled meds go directly to the lungs (and avoid all the side effects of oral steroids). They have kept Frankie stable for 5 years. We use Flovent daily and Albuterol for attacks. Untreated asthma can scar the lungs and can lead to pneumonia and other ailments. Yahoo has at least 3 feline asthma groups. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/felineasthma_inhaledmeds/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/felineasthma/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Asthma_Bronchitis/ Best, Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank? Claudia, I don't know about a home made oxygen tank but know several people in the heart group have made an oxygen tent. They wrap a small carrier in plastic (shower curtain or trash bag) then put the line from the oxygen tank into the carrier. Here is the link for the yahoo heart group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ I know there is a yahoo asthma group but I do not have a link for it. Hugs for your kitty Sharyl --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Claudia wrote: From: Claudia Subject: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:44 PM Hi, I'm relatively new to this board. I'm so glad that something like this exists for people with fiv cats. There's some really great advice on here. I have a question: someone told me about home-made Oxygen tanks for cats. I have an fiv kitty who also has asthma. I'm cautious about using Steroids on her. One time she ahd a really bad episode, couphing, panting, and lying on her side. IT was awful. I rushed her to the vet. THey of course had an Oxygen tank. Anyway, I'd really appreciate the instructions, if anyone had them. Thank you, Claudia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank?
Claudia, I don't know about a home made oxygen tank but know several people in the heart group have made an oxygen tent. They wrap a small carrier in plastic (shower curtain or trash bag) then put the line from the oxygen tank into the carrier. Here is the link for the yahoo heart group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ I know there is a yahoo asthma group but I do not have a link for it. Hugs for your kitty Sharyl --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Claudia wrote: From: Claudia Subject: [Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:44 PM Hi, I'm relatively new to this board. I'm so glad that something like this exists for people with fiv cats. There's some really great advice on here. I have a question: someone told me about home-made Oxygen tanks for cats. I have an fiv kitty who also has asthma. I'm cautious about using Steroids on her. One time she ahd a really bad episode, couphing, panting, and lying on her side. IT was awful. I rushed her to the vet. THey of course had an Oxygen tank. Anyway, I'd really appreciate the instructions, if anyone had them. Thank you, Claudia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] anyone know how to make an Oxygen tank?
Hi, I'm relatively new to this board. I'm so glad that something like this exists for people with fiv cats. There's some really great advice on here. I have a question: someone told me about home-made Oxygen tanks for cats. I have an fiv kitty who also has asthma. I'm cautious about using Steroids on her. One time she ahd a really bad episode, couphing, panting, and lying on her side. IT was awful. I rushed her to the vet. THey of course had an Oxygen tank. Anyway, I'd really appreciate the instructions, if anyone had them. Thank you, Claudia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Assist Feeding vs Force Feeding
Sharyl, Thank you for your input, I'd like to add that most kitties initially don't like to be assist fed, this does not in most cases mean they are ready to die. The process of not eating is a very vicious cycle. When a cat doesn't feel good OR can't smell their food, they most likely will not eat, even if they are no where near dying. A cat with a bad URI may very well stop eating, I just went through this with a stray my sister was feeding in her back yard. Kitty hadn't eaten for a couple of days, I started her on antibiotics and in 2 more days she started eating a little, then more as the antibiotics worked to clear up her URI. If she hadn't started eating on her own I would have syringe fed her, she couldn't smell her food and wanted to eat but wouldn't. Once she could smell again and was feeling a little better she started eating again. When a cat is sick, they don't feel like eating, same as when a person is sick, I have been sick enough several times in my life that food was the last thing I wanted. Difference is for people not eating for a few days is not life threatening, for a cat it very well can be. The longer a cat goes with out food the worse they feel and weaker they get, the worse they feel the less they want food ... you can see where this is going. Syringe feeding a cat who has for whatever reason lost their appetite is not torture, it can be a life-saver. I've had 3 cats I have had to syringe feed, including Fred my CRF cat. He has been CRF for 3 years and in the beginning while we were trying to get him regulated, he stopped eating enough, he was eating but not enough. I syringe fed him 100cc or more a day, he hated it. After a few weeks I decided to get a feeding tube put in to minimize the stress for both of us. He is alive and well today, he is thinner, and his disease is progressing and it is terminal and at some point nothing I do will help, but for now he is alive and doing pretty well. Many cats with cancer end up being syringe fed or with feeding tubes, I have had 2 of these myself, both would have died sooner if not for the syringe feeding and eventual feeding tubes. Buddie's quality of life was very good her extra year, Bailey my positive not as good, because he had constant diarrhea but except for that it wasn't horrible and if we could have figured out what was going on with him before it was too late ... he developed and died of undiagnosed pancreatic cancer. I personally will go to extremes if there is even a slim chance of keeping my furkids going, you can't diagnose or find the correct treatment for a dead pet, it is what I expect to be done for me. This is my personal opinion and way of thinking and everyone has to make their own decisions as to how far they will go, for me it is as far as possible ... I have seen and heard of some miraculous turn-arounds and that is why I feel the way I do. ANY decision made out of love for your furbaby can not be wrong, you must do what you are comfortable with, our furkids know whatever we do or don't do is because we love them and want to do the best we can for them. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Assist Feeding vs Force Feeding
I'm hoping Lorrie did not mean she would never assist feed another cat. There are so many reasons a cat stops eating that can be treated if a person is willing to assist feed for a period of time. Constipation and dehydration are two that come to mind that anyone of us with a FeLV+ kitty might face. Assist feeding while the medical problem is being addressed will save the cat's life. There are many ways to assist feed. Please note I use the term assist feeding instead of force feeding. A lot of the process is the state of your mind while helping your cat. I assist my cats to consume the daily calories they need. My Pequita only eats if I spoon feed her on my bed. Works for her, works for me. Bright Eyes is bouncing back and forth between diarrhea and constipation while I try and figure out the problem and the right dose of lactulose. He gets syringe fed 20 cc of Gerbers 2 Chicken and Gravy every few hours to supplement what little he does eat on his own. He is the only one of the 4 FeLV+ babies I rescued last fall that isn't doing well. I've accepted that I might lose him but by golly he isn't going to starve to death. I can't fix FeLV but I can prevent starvation. Once again here is the link to the Yahoo Assist Feeding group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ It is a good one to bookmark. Sharyl --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Lorrie wrote: From: Lorrie Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Force Feeding To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:35 AM Thanks for your post Wendy. That other post did come on awfully strong, and she certainly didn't do anything wrong. She did the best she could, which is all any of us can do. As for force feeding. I feel it helps if the cat has a problem that is curable, but NOT if the cat is so sick it is going to die soon anyway. I still feel terribly guilty about a cat I had several years ago that I force fed. He struggled to get away from me but he was too weak. When he began to gag I realized this was pure torture for him and I stopped the force feeding.. He died a few days later. I will never put another cat through this! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Force Feeding
Thanks for your post Wendy. That other post did come on awfully strong, and she certainly didn't do anything wrong. She did the best she could, which is all any of us can do. As for force feeding. I feel it helps if the cat has a problem that is curable, but NOT if the cat is so sick it is going to die soon anyway. I still feel terribly guilty about a cat I had several years ago that I force fed. He struggled to get away from me but he was too weak. When he began to gag I realized this was pure torture for him and I stopped the force feeding.. He died a few days later. I will never put another cat through this! Lorrie On 12-28, wendy wrote: You haven't done anything wrong!? You are > learning and there's nothing at all wrong with that!? Thank God you > want to help General, and are seeking out information to do so!? > Sometimes posts that are meant to be helpful can come out a little > too strongly/passionately/opinionated or like they're telling you > what to do, but usually its because those thoughts are backed by > painful memories of loss/lessons learned the hard way.? You do what > is comfortable for you and General, and please don't feel pressured > to do anything else.? Feel free to email me off list, or anyone > else I would assume, that you feel comfortable talking to if > posting here makes you uncomfortable. > > From: "souther...@aol.com" > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:51:21 AM > Subject: Re: tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts > > It's ok, I'm not going to give it to him anymore. Sorry guys, I > didn't mean to create a fuss or this much discussion!? I know I've > done wrong now.? I won't do it again. > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
