Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an expensive oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the advice of a different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and recommended we use lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear up. The dips are messy and stinky, but effective. Good luck. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
Hi Laura, I don’t have a lot of advice for you, as my experience with FeLV is somewhat limited. I joined the list when one of the ferals I was feeding tested positive when I had him neutered. He lived in our spare room until I found him a forever home 10 months later. During this time, he shared the room with another feral from the colony. I first tried keeping him by himself, but he was too stressed. Our vet didn’t think the other cat had a high risk of contracting the disease since he was an adult and they had already lived together, shared food bowls, etc. I had the other cat tested months after the FeLV cat was adopted and he was fine. I think it’s an excellent idea to try integrating another cat with your wee kitten. Sadly, most FeLV cats are euthanized and never given the chance you’re giving Dani. So an addition would save another life. Since she’s so young, I think she’d most likely welcome the company. (But this is just my opinion.) I just wanted to say thank you for looking past Dani’s disease and loving her for who she is. I’m praying she fights off the virus and lives a long and healthy life. Cindy From: laurak...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction Hi everyone, I am new to this group--and new to FeLV. I just took in an FeLV+ kitty from the shelter where I am a volunteer. Her name is Dani and she is beautiful. Long story short, she and her three siblings were found outside in a box when they were about a week old. They came to the shelter and tested positive for FeLV (ELISA). They were retested and again it was positive. At 9 weeks, they had an IFA test, all positive. During this time, they were bottle fed until about 8 weeks, shuttled to and from the shelter by a staff member. They were also treated for URIs with azithromycin. The shelter cultures all incoming cats for ringworm and unfortunately theirs came back positive, so they were dipped in lyme a couple of times a week for a while and put on Itraconazole. Dani took longer to shake it off and so was completely alone for some time. During their time at the shelter they were vaccinated with 2 rounds of FVRCP, a rabies vaccine and spayed/neutered. Sadly, Dani's littermates all came down with different issues (I don't know all the details, but I know the vet suspected FIP) and were euthanized. Little Dani was left alone, in a bathroom with no windows, and not many visitors. The second I found out about her, I set up the sun room off my bedroom (it was unheated but fixed that fast) and took her home. Anyway, I wanted to give the whole background so you know just how much she has been through in her short life. While even here it is not optimal--she is isolated--it is so much better than being stuck in the stuffy bathroom. Here, she bird watches, has a ton of toys, a much better diet and a ton of cuddles (though not as much as I wish. I have 17 other cats.) I have two big questions: is it possible for her to become negative with a positive IFA result at 9 weeks? And, second: how do I best care for her? I have her on a high quality canned only diet (wellness and weruva--no fish) and minimize stress as much as possible. Are there supplements I should be giving? Are NuCat vitamins recommended? Are my food choices OK for her? I will never vaccinate or even take her to a vet (I'd have one come to me if necessary to minimize stress.) I feel terrible she is alone a lot of the time and I have thought about bringing in another young FeLV + kitty for her, but I am worried about causing stress, having it backfire. I have all the patience in the world when it comes to having cats work out issues, but I'm also very careful when bringing in a new cat, quarantining for a couple of weeks, letting her explore while I put others in other rooms, etc. But I wouldn't have that ability to do so with a companion for Dani as I literally don't have any rooms left. Sorry for such a long post! I really want to do right by her. I love her to pieces. Thank you! Laura and Dani girl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key. I’d hate to see hurt feelings among a group of people who are united by a common concern for FeLV+ cats. But I think that for the most part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.) I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. I do rescue and joined this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected. Cindy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were building an immunity to it. I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is www.fleakiller.co I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied customer. Cindy___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer
Amy, I don’t have any advice to offer, but I wanted to say I’m so sorry you’re going through this. You and your dear kitty are in my thoughts and prayers. Cindy From: Amy Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer I know this isn't an FIV group but I thought I might be able to find some helpful info. I have two cats that have leukemia and I've been through lymphoma and cancer with several of the positives. This time it is my FIV+ that is having trouble. About a month ago, we noticed a large swelling on the side of her face. We took her to the vet and she had a bad tooth which started bleeding when the doctor touched it. My vet, who I adore and who has never steered me wrong over all the years of my leuk positives, recommended I put her on antibiotics and bring her back to have the tooth removed. We did that and she had 4 extractions. She had bloodwork and testing prior to surgery and everything was beautiful. No signs of anything but a dental abscess. Following the surgery, the swelling on her face was not going away. She has been on very strong antibiotics (trying different kinds and multiple ones together) and yet the mass continues to grow. My vet started by saying she was concerned we might be dealing with cancer. At this point, she is fully convinced there is a tumor growing in there. For all my other cats, I have pursued test after test trying to save them. I've done chemo, I've gone to Cornell University trying to save some of them, but ultimately the cancer always seems to win. So my vet said I could let her be or I could put her under and do dental x-rays and a biopsy. Her socket has not even healed from her dental and my vet said she personally probably wouldn't put her through the biopsy as we are either dealing with infection or cancer and we are both confident this is not infection. Has anybody else ever been through something like this? I don't want to put her through any more sedation, testing, etc. if her days are numbered but I also wonder if I could be missing something. My vet gave me this kitty and she loves her like her own kitty so I'm leaning towards following her advice. I just always thought my FIV+ kitty might live a long, normal life and am so bummed to be possibly dealing with cancer yet again. Would love to hear about anybody else that has been through oral cancer as this is one cancer that I haven't been through before. Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Regarding your statement, “I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. “ If you’re not looking for someone to take this cat, could you be more specific in what help you’re seeking? I deleted the original message, but from what I remember, you stated that you did not want a pet cat and never did. Not surprisingly, some people would take this as meaning you’re looking to place this cat. You should always be cautious when turning an animal over to someone – anyone (I always check vet references at a minimum and usually do a home visit as well) – but if you have a legitimate rescue offer for this kitty, you should thank your lucky stars because it’s extremely hard to place a FeLV+ cat. I do rescue and I’m involved in Bengal rescue – and no, I do not want, nor can I accept this cat – but I receive requests weekly for people wanting help placing their purebred Bengals. So please do not automatically assume that just because this cat is a purebred Bengal that she will be sold for profit. I’ve worked with Bengal rescue for years and while most cats are adopted for $150, this barely covers their vetting (spay/neuter, testing, shots, etc). I’m sorry if some people on this list have offended you, but please take a moment and read your post from our point of view. Those of us who do rescue are overwhelmed financially, physically, and emotionally by the sheer number of homeless animals. When we see someone intentionally trying to add to that population, it strikes a nerve. In my case, I’m living with a cat who was a “retired” breeder, kept in an outside cage and then locked in a basement for 3 years by someone who couldn’t handle his behavior, but who didn’t want to take him to a shelter or pass him off on someone else. I love the cat and care for him as best I can, but it pains me to see his stress and anxiety. And it’s even more upsetting to know that he’s in this condition because someone used him (for breeding) and then threw him away. In your original message, you state your cat lives in an outside cage and that you did not want a pet cat. This made it *sound* as though you really didn’t care about him other than to generate kittens/money. This may not be the case – and I hope it’s not. As your most recent post states, I hope your cat is loved as part of your family – and enjoys companionship and attention. As for the FeLV+ cat, again, I’m really not sure what you’re looking for. Several people have offered you ideas and resources for placing her. If that’s not your objective, are you looking for health/care advice? I’m sure many people here would like to help the cat; we’re just not sure what kind of help you’re seeking. Cindy From: Terri Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I think the issue is that you did state in your initial email that you don't want an indoor pet cat, so you keep Buddy in an outside cage. That makes it sound like you don't care. That might not be the case -- perhaps you do love him -- but I would rather my kitty be inside with me where he's safe from parasites. I think it's unfair of you to say that the list members who may have been painfully blunt (or harsh) with you are jerks. We aren't jerks. We just love cats. Population control in the wild was handled by natural predators, which are becoming less and less. There is no balance anymorewolf hunts, coyotes being killed, human beings encroaching more and more on wildlife habitat. It all matters. Things aren't the same now as they were 300 years ago. Veterinary care is easily available, so more animals survive now than then. All we are asking is that if you cannot keep the FeLV+ female, there are FeLV+ sanctuaries that will care for her if you don't want her in your house. I still think Buddy would be happier OUT of his outdoor cage and inside where he can be with you. He needs companionship too. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Charles Adams To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of
Re: [Felvtalk] Watch for this person In Wharton, El Campo, Richmond/Rosenberg, Sugar Land
Charles, Please heed the thoughtful advice shared by others on this list and have your Bengals spayed and neutered before placing them in homes where they’re cherished. I do rescue and have two retired breeding Bengals. One took two years before she adjusted to life in a home. Sadly, the other is still an emotional wreck. He lived his early life in an outdoor cage, used only to make money for an uncaring owner. When she was finished using him, she sold him to an unsuspecting buyer as a pet. The cat would not use the litterbox, terrorized her other cat, attacked her husband, and was no nervous that he pulled his fur out and chewed himself raw. She spent a fortune trying to make him part of her family, but ended up keeping him in her basement for 3 lonely years before she contacted me. I’ve had him for more than a year and while he’s making progress, he has a long way to go and may never overcome his early years. It’s heartbreaking and unfair that his life is so unhappy because someone chose to use him to try to make a buck. Please, please consider the fact that these are sentient beings capable of feeling loneliness, boredom, fear, etc. They deserve homes where they’re loved and wanted. And before adding to the millions of unwanted animals in this country, please also consider that there are countless Bengals in need of rescue. Cindy___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
One of our rescues tested positive at the time he was neutered. The vet went ahead and did the surgery. That was about a year ago. He was adopted in September and was fine at that time - and still is as of the last update I received. I'm not saying that neutering couldn't trigger a problem, but in our case, it didn't seem to. Good luck. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lynda Wilson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT -Transportation Available
Thanks for your inquiry about Storm. I'm not sure how he is with other cats, but I'll certainly find out. I'll get back to you as soon as I have an answer. Thanks again, Cindy - Original Message - From: john pollack To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT -Transportation Available is he good with other cats?? -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:34 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT - Transportation Available I was contacted by someone whose friend has been feeding a stray cat that's living in a seasonal mobile home park on Chincoteague Island. The park closes at the end of November and the person who has been feeding it is going to live with relatives, where the cat is not welcome. The woman who contacted me is desperate to find a place for the cat by the end of November and she's willing to cover all vetting costs herself. Transportation is also available most anywhere. The cat is called Storm because he showed up after Hurricane Irene. He's a long-haired black and white neutered male. If you know of anyone who can help, please contact me and I'll put you in touch with the woman who's trying so hard to save this poor baby. He's had a lot of tough breaks in his life. He deserves another chance. Thank you. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available
Oh no. I'm so incredibly sorry to hear that. I pray you find comfort in knowing that Tigger is in a wonderful place, where he knows only perfect health and happiness. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Try to remember that he's not gone, just gone ahead. Nov 17 marked my last dog's first birthday in Heaven. It's been a year and not a day goes by that I don't think of him fondly and miss him dearly. Unfortunately, it's the price we pay for surrounding ourselves with these marvelous wonders whose life spans are shorter than our own. I pray for comfort and healing for you. And bless you for considering opening your broken heart to another in need. Kindest Regards, Cindy - Original Message - From: john pollack To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available not sure what part of me is talking. just lost my felv boy Tigger yesterday -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT -Transportation Available Thanks for your inquiry about Storm. I'm not sure how he is with other cats, but I'll certainly find out. I'll get back to you as soon as I have an answer. Thanks again, Cindy - Original Message - From: john pollack To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT -Transportation Available is he good with other cats?? From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:34 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT - Transportation Available I was contacted by someone whose friend has been feeding a stray cat that's living in a seasonal mobile home park on Chincoteague Island. The park closes at the end of November and the person who has been feeding it is going to live with relatives, where the cat is not welcome. The woman who contacted me is desperate to find a place for the cat by the end of November and she's willing to cover all vetting costs herself. Transportation is also available most anywhere. The cat is called Storm because he showed up after Hurricane Irene. He's a long-haired black and white neutered male. If you know of anyone who can help, please contact me and I'll put you in touch with the woman who's trying so hard to save this poor baby. He's had a lot of tough breaks in his life. He deserves another chance. Thank you. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available
The woman trying to help the cat on Chincoteague Island sent me some additional information, so I thought I'd share it here. He only has 11 days to find a home, foster, or rescue. Please feel free to crosspost. Thanks, Cindy Here's the info she sent: There is a resident population of feral cats at Tom's Cove Campground. Some of the people living there put food out. Occasionally a cat is trapped and taken to an area vet. Storm showed up after Hurricane Irene. He was trapped and taken to the vet to get shaved down because he was badly matted and infested with fleas. At the vet's it was discovered he was already neutered. His ears were not notched and he has no microchip. Storm has not shown any aggression at all. He is fed separately, but the other cats don't bother him. He is not feral. I was asked if I would take him home with me when I visited in October. I took him to the local vet to be tested and that is when it was discovered that he is FeLV+. I have a 3yo female cat who is FeLV-. There is no way I could keep him separated from my cat. While the rest of the colony will survive the winter, it is doubtful if Storm would make it through the winter outside and without a regular source of food. The campground where he is now closes at the end of November. I honestly think he would make a wonderful pet. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT - Transportation Available
I was contacted by someone whose friend has been feeding a stray cat that's living in a seasonal mobile home park on Chincoteague Island. The park closes at the end of November and the person who has been feeding it is going to live with relatives, where the cat is not welcome. The woman who contacted me is desperate to find a place for the cat by the end of November and she's willing to cover all vetting costs herself. Transportation is also available most anywhere. The cat is called Storm because he showed up after Hurricane Irene. He's a long-haired black and white neutered male. If you know of anyone who can help, please contact me and I'll put you in touch with the woman who's trying so hard to save this poor baby. He's had a lot of tough breaks in his life. He deserves another chance. Thank you. Cindy___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] retest of Hope; Albon?
I've never used Albon on cats/kittens, but I've had great success in using it with puppies. Cindy - Original Message - From: czadna sacarawicz To: feline leukemia list Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] retest of Hope; Albon? Hope, adult spayed female, tested negative on in-office 3-way test yesterday. She had been slightly positive for fe leukemia on 7.23. You had advised retest at 3 months. I vaccinated her twice for fe leukemia in the weeks following her slightly positive test for fe leukemia anyway. Are we done? I am ecstatic. She is ever so much healthier now than she was then. What are your comments re: telling potential rescue groups re: the slightly positive test? Her history is being rescued from death row at the county pound into foster care by me. A vet suggested I use Albon for coccidiosis on pound fosters. My experience has been that 3 kittens/1 adult out of 4 kittens/2 adults quit eating and bowel movements quit. Yesterday the vet sold me P__ tablets. comments on Albon? Thank you. cz -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Thanks Gary! I will keep your email for future reference. It's very informative. I've never actually ordered these equivalents for my cats (or dogs) - only for myself. We have to keep our priorities straight. LOL Thanks again. I appreciate you taking the time to share this information. Cindy - Original Message - From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Great tip. Thanks! Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Thanks Cindy... I forgot all about FishMox. I ordered some years ago, and need to get a fresh supply. As for Acarexx.. A friend gave me the recipe for this. She rescues wildlife as well as dogs and cats. She buys Ivermectin injectable for cattle and swine. Then she uses two drops mixed with two drops of mineral oil in each ear. She says this works even better than Acarexx. A vet tech gave her this info. On 10-19, Cindy McHugh wrote: Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke
Thanks to everyone for their input on the smoking applicant! It's been a difficult decision, but I've decided not to decline the applicant based solely on the fact that he smokes, so we're going to proceed. Of course, all other standard procedures will apply (reference check, home visit, etc). I appreciate the fact that the person is honest. He's applying through his sister and she made it a point to inform me of the smoking situation and voiced concerns regarding whether it would be a risk for Tumble due to his FeLV+ status. I hadn't had any experience with smoking specific to FeLV+ cats, so I thought I'd post here for input. Based on personal experience, most people who have contacted me feel the risk would be minimal. While I also value the thoughts of those who advised against the adoption and I'd prefer a non-smoking environment, I have to weigh that against the alternatives. Tumble is currently living in a basement (a daylight basement with windows, but still, with limited human interaction). The applicant is homebound due to health problems and is looking for a 24/7 companion. He wants to adopt both Tumble and his companion Cody; I'd love for these boys to stay together, as they came to me together and are best buddies. The thought of them being beloved companions warms my heart. So... it may not be perfect, but if they'll have good vet care and a loving home, I think I'll go ahead with the adoption. Doing so will also free up some space and allow me to help others that would otherwise be euthanized. Please send good thoughts that everything works out for what's best for the boys. Thank you all again! Cindy, Tumble, and Cody - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke What are your options... Not everybody finds that people willing to adopt FeLV+ kitties are available... A smoker may not be the best choice but I would except a smoker before PTS Tad On 9/21/2011 9:01 PM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote: Hi all, Well here is my 2 cents worth! I'm a smoker have been for 40 years. I do not smoke directly in front of my cats/kittens. My personal kitties have never gotten sick or develop cancers from smoke this includes my FELV kitties. I've been adopting cats/kittens for over 30 years to both non-smokers and smokers. I have to say my smokers take better care of their kitties than non-smokers that have small children. As I've been to their homes and seen how clean they were. I've have repeat adopters as their kitties didn't die to cancers. Actually, lived fairly long lives. The kitties had the best in medical as well. So I do not discriminate adopters that smoke. I agree with Susan Hoffman on her posting. My suggestion is if you don't want to adopt to people that smoke. Be up front with them about it. Also, if your a rescue/shelter put it in your rules and guidelines on your applications that you don't adopt your kitties to smokers. This way the adopter doesn't feel bad or have their heart set on the kitty. Regardless whether the kitty is Negative, FELV, FIV, or both. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Date: Wed, September 21, 2011 9:02 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ boy and it sounds like a great home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know if this would be a considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good for humans or cats, but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other than that, it sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound gentleman who's looking for company. Thanks for your time and input. Cindy -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
[Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke
Hi, We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ boy and it sounds like a great home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know if this would be a considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good for humans or cats, but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other than that, it sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound gentleman who's looking for company. Thanks for your time and input. Cindy___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
When I was caring for a feral colony, I got a bunch of the styrofoam coolers that steaks were shipped in, cut a small hole in one side, anchored the top, and put them out for shelters in the winter. The cats used them and they lasted a long time. Cindy - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Those would make nice outdoor shelters...weighted of course. On Jul 8, 2011, at 8:30 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Styrofoam? Harley and Dee would make hash out of them in no time. If it resist the claws, it gets clawed to death. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Are they called totes? I use large Styrofoam containers to ship chemo to hospitals - a friend is an oncology nurse practitioner and saves them for us. They're larger than Styrofoam coolers, sturdier, and already insulated. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Totes are wonderful. I leave the top off and the boys are young enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are wonderful too. I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who, late in life, had issues getting positioned. Besides the totes are a lot cheaper and more appropriately sized. FYI: They make great outdoor shelters too. On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
Hi Lynda, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. We have 4 cats in his area and 4 litterboxes, so I can certainly try adding one more. There are two in my room (where he spends most of his time); one in the other two rooms. It's a small house, so the only rooms that don't have boxes are the kitchen and living room. I clean them at least once a day, usually 2-3 times (whenever I notice one is used). The cats each have a box they prefer, so one box doesn't usually get particularly dirty. I've used a couple different litters (always clumping), but I've been using this particular kind for at least a month and he only had issues for 2 days. Last night he was fine again, but as I write this, he's back to pacing in front of the door. His pace is like what you see zoo animals do in a cage - a repetitive path, back and forth, like he's oblivious to everything around him. I've tried interrupting him with play, but he ignores me. He enjoys catnip, so I sometimes give him that as a diversion, but I have to be careful because it makes him very aggressive toward the other cats. I'm really hoping the outdoor enclosure helps him. I hate to see him so frustrated. Thanks again for your ideas. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
Thanks for sharing. I think I will go ahead with the lab test, but hold off on the x-ray until we get the results. Would the lab results indicate if he has stones (and needs an x-ray)? Based on his past, I'm almost positive it's entirely behavioral, but I don't want to risk him suffering either. Thanks, Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question In-house tests results are limited, and I would do the more sophisticated one that is sent to the lab. However, before getting that urinalysis back with results, I would not sign up for an X-ray before it is determined that one is absolutely required! Yes, this vet does seem to do it for the money! My vet always does one step at a time, and based on the last step, if needed, proceeds to the next. Many vets like to do ALL of them at one time! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and haven't opened/tried it yet. I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use something by Arm Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular litter and baking soda. Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I know who are using the clumping litter. Cindy - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg! The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter. Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline friends including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung cancer. Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs in the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy. With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs. Damage can occur in just a short period of time. Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it expands from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung problems like the ones mentioned above. Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not Let Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat from grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form a hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal. The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy, simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free, non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your pet. You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If you're worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that has a filter for odor control. Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be saving the health or life of an animal. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy - Original Message - From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: katofohio katofo...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] UTI Question
This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
Dear Ben, I'm having problems with receiving my email, so I've missed some of what's transpired with Dexter, but in reading your post, your profound love for him is so very clear. You did all you could for your dear boy and he knows that. I lost my beloved dog Jack to cancer last year. He had a tumor that was pressing against his heart, causing him to have trouble breathing. When the specialist identified it and said it was inoperable, I was crushed to have to let him go. I'm still not over the loss and I cry many days, but I promise you that it does get better in time. I pray you find comfort in knowing Dexter is happy and healthy now - and that this separation is only temporary. When you consider that you'll have eternity together, this is but a blink of an eye. I look at the sweet FeLV+ boy I'm fostering and get so angry at this disease and the lack of treatment that exists for it. I'm praying for a treatment and cure. You're in my thoughts and prayers. Cindy McHugh - Original Message - From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable. A week passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate treatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week and the week he took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where Dex had little treatment. Again, why the difficulty in getting anything done for Dex? East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke with him and started him on Acemannan injections. They had two remaining doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last year when he was first diagnosed. they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan. FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases, though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while we treated him. We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were swelling. Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up. When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded well with benadryl. That thing sneaking up on Dexter? Full blown cancer - it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had probably made his heart swell. His breathing was becoming more and more labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much pain to continue. Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable. A week passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate treatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week and the week he took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where Dex had little treatment. Again, why the difficulty in getting anything done for Dex? East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke with him and started him on Acemannan injections. They had two remaining doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last year when he was first diagnosed. they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan. FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases, though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while we treated him. We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Thank you Sara. I can't take credit for the sentiment; it belongs to Dee Miller, a kind and compassionate woman on my Canine list. Whenever I've lost a pet and post to the list, I always find comfort in Dee's reassuring words that my beloved is not gone, just gone ahead. Cindy and Angel Jackpot, who's gone ahead - Original Message - From: Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Cindy, what a beautiful thoughtthey are not gone, just gone ahead. Cathy and Mark.we'll make that two beautiful candles tonight in SoCal...one for Cali and one for Dexter. So sorry for your loss. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice
Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo's Home
Oh, what wonderful news. I'm so happy for you and VooDoo! Cindy - Original Message - From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:52 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] VooDoo's Home OK, so who says miracles and divine intervention do not exist? After a couple of hours in the very hot sun, I found evidence that maybe VooDoo was alive and close by. Then, I discovered that the police now have a NO trapping policy. I went to my Japanese vet to see if he could find a trap. He was going to call the city on Monday. So, back to being a little stressed, feeling as though my best hope was gone. A couple of hours later, a very short, but really hard rain came and I was once again concerned because I thought he was hiding in a drain pipe. As soon as the rain ended, I went to the back door and called out asking him to come home. What do you know, he answered me with his crazy, whiny cry. After a few minutes of trying to coax him into the house, I decided that he was either trapped or hurt. I called to him and he continued to call back. Once I located him hiding under a tree, I belly crawled on the wet ground to where he was. I reached under, in the dark, expecting the worst. However, he let me grab him and pull him out. So, 48 hours after going missing, my baby is home safe and sound. We will be watching closely for sniffles and signs of fever! Thank you all for your advice and positive vibes. I truly believe that they worked. Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
Thank you all for your replies regarding treatment for fleas. I was concerned that mainstream flea applications could be harmful due to his FeLV+ status. We were able to get a hold of his vet yesterday and they recommended Frontline, so we picked some up and applied it last night. Hopefully, we'll have the situation under control soon. He's still very much in need of a loving home. He deserves much more than our basement can offer. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas Hylands bioplasma tablets
Thanks Dana - and everyone else too! My vet also had Capstar, so we used it with the Frontline. I'll definitely try the Dawn for cleaning. Thankfully, I have no carpeting, so it should be fairly easy. And he's kept in the basement, with a concrete floor that can withstand most anything. I'll need to do something with his kitty condo, but I'm thinking maybe I can flea bomb it in the shed and then return it to his room after it's aired out. I had forgotten about diatomaceous earth - thanks for the reminder. That would be good for the yard, wouldn't it? We leave the screened basement window open for fresh air and I suspect that's how the fleas entered the house, so I'd like to treat the yard. There's a possibility they came with a dog I was fostering, but she spent 90% of her time upstairs and we haven't had a problem there (knock on wood). I'm interested in the Hylands bioplasma tablets. I'll certainly Google them, but I'd also welcome any input you can offer. I have a high-strung Bengal that was surrendered by an owner who could no longer tolerate his bad behaviors, which included aggression, spraying, and self-mutilating licking/chewing. So far, the aggression and spraying haven't been a problem, but he continues to lick/chew himself raw. He's relatively new to me, but his previous owner sent his vet records with him and it looks as though this has been a problem since before she adopted him (at age 3) and she had him to the vet *many* times over the 3 years that she had him. They've done all sorts of testing and have always come back to anxiety issues. He's been on sedatives and she said that helps, but only for a while. He was doing fairly well here after he buddied up with one of the other rescues, but he still licks/chews at times. I'm wondering if the Hylands bioplasma tablets would help him. Thank you again for your input! Cindy - Original Message - From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas For you house, I recommend diluting Dawn dishwashing liquid soap (supposedly only the Blue Dawn works) and spraying it all over and under your furniture, walls floors - I couldn't get rid of my house fleas until I tried that last home remedy - and I think I've tried them all. The Dawn soap one works! It supposed to work as a desiccant and is one of the few I found that actually works on adult fleas, not the larvae. Put as much as your comfortable with, I put a sqeeze or two in a small spray bottle. For cleaning, I use white vinegar (straight) although you can dilute that too if you want, and that is also supposed to be something fleas hate, or it kils them...sorry I forget exactly on that one... For putting ON the cats, I second the capstar , Frontline...eh. You could also carefully rub FOOD grade diatomaceous earth powder in their fur. Be warned it's like drywall dust and extremely drying but it's an option. Food grade is ok for cats (and humans) to digest. I had one cat who would roll in it ( I dropped a small pile of it on the basement floor) and he was my flea indicator. :) I wouldn't recommend putting it all over your house it's messy, and the small particles are not great for the lungsI'd definitely stick with the soap. I had more success with the Dawn. On another note - if your cat has flea allergies, and licking themselves bald, I've found that giving them Hylands bioplasma tablets fixed that. The one cat I have who does and had licked himself bald comes running for his almost daily or sometimes twice daily pills when I shake the bottle. The others I gave them to, come intermittently now when I shake the bottle, but my little Hobbie was desperate for them. Over the winter, he didn't want them as much but he's started to ask for them again now. Dana On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but I have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning supplies that won't harm him. He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of his own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green eyes. Photos gladly provided to anyone interested. Cindy __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fleas
I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but I have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning supplies that won't harm him. He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of his own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green eyes. Photos gladly provided to anyone interested. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first about adjusting the dosage. Cindy Angel Jackpot From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400 It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just discussing it with my feline asthma group. Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them for so long. Who knows. If you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline Plus. I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too. I hate using all these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me because I've got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch. I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do something. I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is saying all these chemicals for yards say don't get on skin, don't get in eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries and that really scares me. If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad. But since they do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food grade diatomaceous earth. I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which is a borax type of product. Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so I can't tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they don't kill adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference. But if anyone wants to try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95. I think you can order them online also. I don't remember if the nematodes do anything for ticks. The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store. It's the food grade and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of trying it check your feed stores first. I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and this stuff will last forever. I can't believe how little it takes. I didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had. I'm using it outside to try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's coats. It's very very very dusty so you definitely need a mask on when messing wtih it. I am hesistant about using it in the house because it is so so dusty. That's why I went with the borax inside in the carpets. I did put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees and their bedding though. The DE is the consistency of flour. Feels just like it and is dusty just like it. I put some on some of my cats and when they shake you can see a dust cloud around them. So for now I'm glad I didn't put it everywhere in the house. I think the Flea Stoppers with the borox has helped but I'm also vacuuming every couple of days which makes a big difference. I've put the diatomaceous earth on several of my cat's then checked them when they come in from outside. They are still coming in with fleas but I don't think it is as many. The DE doesn't kill the fleas right away either. It just cuts them and the fleas dehydrate and die so I'm thinking it will take a week or more before it really starts cutting down the flea population. If anyone puts it on their cat I'll just warn you that it does make the coat dry feeling. Still better than fleas if you ask me. Of course the cats are going to clean themselves and injest the DE so it's very important to get the food grade stuff. They use it in other forms, like in swimming pools, and it's very toxic. I haven't put the DE in my cats' food yet but a woman in my feline asthma group swears by it and she uses it and puts it in her cats' food and has for years and says they always test negative for worms. She puts it in her coffee and says she can see differences since she started using it.
Re: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated
Wow, that's great news that she's tested negative. I'm so happy for you. For my own peace of mind, I would insist on an IFA test before integrating her into my household. If your vet won't do it, there's probably another vet around who will. Cindy - Original Message - From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated Hello to all, Three months ago I rescued a cat that I found out in the field next to our house starving to death and did not energy to even purr or play. She tested positive for felv. Three months later this kitty who I named Amber is like a different cat. She is rotten, well fed, and full of energy. As some of you my recall, my husband built her her own palace to live in which is in our basement. I have three healthy cats upstaris and am not willinig to risk exposing them to a felv cat. I took Amber back to the vet this morning and the Elisa test was negative! I asked the vet about getting her the IFA test and he did not even know what it was! I had printed off information re the test and he did read it. However, he thinks she does not need the IFA test since she tested negative. Should I go ahead and bring Amber upstaris with the rest of the gang or still insist on the IFA test?? Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away..... :(
I'm so sorry to learn that your husband has passed. I pray you find comfort in knowing he's in a better place, with so many of our beloved animals. He'll know only perfect health and happiness for eternity. And when you consider that you'll have forever together, this separation is but a speck of time. He's not gone... just one ahead. Thinking of you during this difficult time. Cindy McHugh ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buddy left for the Rainbow Bridge today.
Dana, I'm so sorry for your loss of Buddy. I looked at his photos and he's beautiful. I think it's wonderful that you're imagining conversations with him in heaven. Maybe he's somehow communicating with you - telling you he's okay now. I pray you find comfort in knowing that he is perfectly healthy and happy now. And when you consider that you'll have an eternity with him, this separation is but a speck of time. I know that words are of so little help right now, but I pray that in time, the thought may bring you comfort. I'm so, so very sorry. Cindy - Original Message - From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buddy left for the Rainbow Bridge today. Thank you so much for the condolences. I am still pretty sad he left. He's all over my facebook page. I don't know if you can see but here is a link: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=500028466aid=19598 He's the white and gray one on the bottom. A nutty thing I'm doing is imagining conversations in my head when I visit his room and he tells me how he's doing. It actually helps. Sometimes I wonder if that's a little too nutty or even if it could be real - who knows - but I don't think I care. I like to imagine him up there calmly adapting and enjoying being healthy in heaven. I'm trying to look at the positives. I think it was fairly quick, I was actually home with him, he died and was cremated in his comfy beloved bed, although I haven't gotten him back yet. Very important for the end, I didn't have to force him into a cage to get to the vet. That would have been bad.. It once took me a nightmarish two hours and it sounded like I was abusing him as he screamed and climbed up between the screen and the window to not be cratedsheesh - the crate was huge too. I finally had to get wooden boards and literally used several as leverage to block and steadily force him in. He was BIG and strong. He was awesome. He was fine btw. Just pissed. Never ever defeated. LOL. That just made me smile. I Love him! He had his moments. :) He didn't suffer from cancer as far as I know. He was finally fat with thick healthy and clean fur. I gave him as many snackies as he wanted. I worried his life would end in the worst possible way, as I'm sure many of you do, so I am sad but extremely grateful I knew him and it was at least seemingly peaceful. I'm afraid to google it yet. I hope it was. Most frightening for me was I did not know Animal CPR and either way I was so scared, I could not hear or feel his pulse over the loud beating of my own heart. I had to get a mirror to check for breath and then wait a minute until I calmed myself enough to feel his pulse. I don't think I want to be that uneducated again. I really felt the responsibility of his life and trust in me. I think I did ok because there wasn't much I could do but I'm not going to risk that again. I hope I don't need it. I hope you all give your kitties a kiss and a hug and a thank you for still being around tonight. As you know, It matters. Best to you all and thank you so much for giving me a place to talk...many people are kind of being like..blippy about this...it didn't mean anything and they are happy, actually that I have one less cat.. Yes it makes my life easier but some people went there SO Fast. :( It's scary how little animals mean to some people. They just see fur, they don't see heart. Thank you for having this list! Dana ** www.twitter.com/smallspark * Share something interesting today.* On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:26 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: Dana, I'm so sorry to hear about your sweet Buddy. Prayers for peace for you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 11:59:08 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buddy left for the Rainbow Bridge today. HI All, please add my boy Buddy to the list. He was 10 years old, both Felv and Fiv positive. He passed earlier today about a half hour after a seizure. He had no prior seizure activity I was aware of, in fact I thought he was in great condition and would be around for a couple more years. He went completely limp after the seizure and at first I actually thought he was dead. But a little breath showed on the mirror in front of his nose, and then I hoped he would come round in at least some fashionbut it didn't happen, he was barely breathing, I couldn't tell if he was conscious or not the whole time - and then just as we got to the vets, he stopped. There was nothing they could do. I am really grateful I was home (my worst fear was he would be alone) and able to be with him when he passed and I really hope he was aware
Re: [Felvtalk] Rosie's biopsy results-BAD
I'm so sorry to hear this. I pray she will be comfortable for a long time to come. I just HATE this disease. Cindy - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:55 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Rosie's biopsy results-BAD She has a very aggressive lymphoma. This was the biopsy on her lump in the throat / neck area. Started on Pred and ordering Leukeran. Staying on Interferon and may give LTCI. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
