Re: Introduction
Hi Sandy! It's always a little bittersweet welcoming new members to the list, FeLV is such a devastating disease...but you won't find a more knowledgable, more caring group of people!! :) I'm also in the Houston area (Seabrook, to be exact), so if there's anything you need, please don't hesitate to get ahold of me!! I wouldn't beat yourself up at all over what has happened...given that it's actually quite difficult for a healthy, adult cat to contract the virus (even if he or she has not been vaccinated--and I believe your guys are still covered from their vaccination a few years ago...new research indicates that vaccines are effective way beyond their seemingly arbitrary 1 year expiration date)...and the fact that kittens are the most susceptible to the virus because of their immature immune systems...it's my hunch that Kuma and your little girl actually had the virus all along (the virus can remain sequestered in the bone marrow causing a false negative on an in-house test...this happened to one of our girls). The more likely scenerio is that Kuma passed the virus on to the little orange guy whose immune system wasn't up to fighting off the virus. As for what to do now, you will get alot of advice about treating diarrhea from the list! I would start by making sure everyone is getting a good, quality diet (human-grade ingredients with meat being listed as the first ingredient)! Some good brands are Wellness, Innova, Eagle Pack...Also, try starting him out on L-lysine (you can find tablets at your local grocery store)...just crush up a 500 mg tablet and mix into canned food twice a day. Another medication that you might want to try is Interferon...it helps boost the immune system...if your vet won't get it for you, let me know and I'll get some from my vet and get it to you!! That's all I can think of for now...this is a wonderful list, you'll get alot of great advice, so don't be afraid to ask about anything at all! And like I said, please let me know if you need anything at all! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:30 pm Subject: Introduction Hello everyone, I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about why I am here. I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us. My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I love like fuzzy children. I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer for a few weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from someoneshe didn't know. She got him to keep her older cat Kuma (Japanese for Bear) compnay. After they got here, her cat Kuma became very ill, and within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He experienced multi-organ failure. The vet diagnosed FeLV. So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we could, since we knew so little about him. Cotton also tested positive for FeLV. My stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, so she left him. The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even check his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest any more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death. That was hard to swallow, but in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be tested, and unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive. The other two older cats were negative. I am heartbroken and distraught. I've tried to read and learn as much as I can about FeLV. I have been angry at myself for letting this all happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20. But please don't make me feel any worse than I do. It had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLV vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about overvaccinating them. Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I am hoping for some sound, rational advice. My vet seemed totally negative and I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests. The two cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do much good. They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks. I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized what we were dealing with. I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLV
Re: Introduction--addendum
Sorry, it's getting past my bed-time...hard to form a thought! What I meant for the lysine dosage: 500 mg per day split between two meals (250 mg per meal)! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:30 pm Subject: Introduction Hello everyone, I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about why I am here. I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us. My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I love like fuzzy children. I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer for a few weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from someoneshe didn't know. She got him to keep her older cat Kuma (Japanese for Bear) compnay. After they got here, her cat Kuma became very ill, and within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He experienced multi-organ failure. The vet diagnosed FeLV. So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we could, since we knew so little about him. Cotton also tested positive for FeLV. My stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, so she left him. The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even check his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest any more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death. That was hard to swallow, but in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be tested, and unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive. The other two older cats were negative. I am heartbroken and distraught. I've tried to read and learn as much as I can about FeLV. I have been angry at myself for letting this all happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20. But please don't make me feel any worse than I do. It had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLV vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about overvaccinating them. Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I am hoping for some sound, rational advice. My vet seemed totally negative and I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests. The two cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do much good. They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks. I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized what we were dealing with. I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLV negative, and two who are positive, one of whom is symptomatic, as Cottonthe orange kitten now has swollen glands and diarrhea. Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated. Thank you, Sandy C. Houston, Texas area
Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the medical-speak! :) Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid- bit kinda interesting: Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'. But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 am Subject: Re: anesthesia question Yes, she did have a pain killer shot. Maybe that was it. She got atropine, which is what they said dilated her eyes-- is that the pain killer or something else? Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they administer any kind of pain killer? Our Pips had a slightly similar reaction after his pain killer injection...dilated pupils, and just generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the pain killer was good stuff... :)
Re: FIP
Thanks, Julie! I'm still having crazy dreams about running out of gas (and I still find myself looking to see if gas stations have gas as I drive by...yikes)...but other than that, things seem to be back to normal! :) I think the guy who contacted me (James) is looking into importing Virbagen to try to help his fur-baby (Lea)...he found the email (Google) that I had posted to the group as far as writing a letter to the FDA asking for permission to import...I told him if there is anyway his vet can work out something with my vet, I've got the approval letter...it just needs to be ordered! I've had to put off buying it as all available funds are going towards Ewok's chemo...it took nearly a *year* for my vet to finally get approval, I didn't want James to have to wait that long, especially if Lea only has a few months! :( I'll be sure to pass along your email...he and his wife are super-sweet and very heart-broken by the diagnosis...they're willing to try anything! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:59 am Subject: Re: FIP Dear Jen, So happy you are all safe and sound! I have about caught up in my email to the description of your evacuation ordeal; my goodness! You might direct this gentleman to Dr. Addie's website: http://www.dr-addie.com/ She has a protocol on there for treatment with human interferon; obviously a better chance would be Virbagen Omega, but an FIP kitty doesn't have time to wait for it (unless he happens to be located where it is available). I believe more and more that there is no single answer to some of these horrible viruses, but rather a combination of therapy. I did start Tater Tot on the human interferon protocol because it was all that was available. She recommends other supplements, too. I couldn't use them all because he would not eat the food with them added and he just gagged terribly if I tried to syringe them in. He was never cooperative about meds, anyway, but if this kitten is, many people have found them to help (cod liver oil, Vitamin C, etc.). FIP is the worst kind of a nightmare. I hope the kitten has been misdiagnosed; it does happen! So happy you and yours are safe! Love, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! I just had a very heart-broken man email me about importing Virbagen for his 5 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with FIP...I know some of you have dealt with FIP before (successfully?), and was just wondering if you'd have any advice! I encouraged him to join the list as your advice is invaluable...but I decided not to wait for his reply as (I believe) time is critical when it comes to dealing with FIP! Thanks guys! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: anesthesia question
Did they administer any kind of pain killer? Our Pips had a slightly similar reaction after his pain killer injection...dilated pupils, and just generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the pain killer was good stuff... :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:13 pm Subject: anesthesia question Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper- alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle
FIP
Hello All! I just had a very heart-broken man email me about importing Virbagen for his 5 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with FIP...I know some of you have dealt with FIP before (successfully?), and was just wondering if you'd have any advice! I encouraged him to join the list as your advice is invaluable...but I decided not to wait for his reply as (I believe) time is critical when it comes to dealing with FIP! Thanks guys! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George
Re: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa
Please do see a vet as soon as you can...it's possible that she could have lymphoma if her breathing is affected. Our Ewok had similar symptoms, difficulty breathing when resting and a phantom hairball...almost like an asthma attack. We found out that he does have a tumor in his chest and immediately started chemotherapy...he's doing well a little over a month after diagnosis! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:14 am Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive Yes, I am still giving her interferon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive I'd take her to the vet. Are you still giving her interferon? Gloria At 08:44 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote: Hello my name is Lisa Ward, I am fairly new to this club, anyway I lost a cat due to amenia, caused by Felv, I also have another cat that has tested positive for Felv, the vet put her on Interferon, she seemed to be doingwell up until yesterday, it seems like she has a fur ball and can't get it out, it seems to be affecting her breathing..Her gums are not white. I hope that is the problem...Any ideas...Thank you.Lisa Ward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:56 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kittens tested positive I am shocked they would even test at 3 weeks old to be honest. Especiallywith FIV kittens can test false positive for upto a year so need testing after 12 months and even if they are positive for FeLV or FIV it is no reason to euthanase. Not sure if teh same time scale applies to FeLV but I'm sure it will. I do know that the tests for FIV detect anibodies and not the virus - the kittens automatically get the antibodies from their mother but not necessarily the virus. So like I said tehy could test positive for a long time even though they may not have the virus. Time is usually around 6 months before they test negative but I've known cats to have false positives for 12months and even upto 2 years so if they tested positive on FIV there is every chance they may be negative. Hope someone else can help on the FeLV knowledge about time scales beforetesting can be accurate. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Re: RE: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa
He'd sit up and start the kinda (sorry for the gross description) sneezy-hocking thing...it would go on for several seconds and he'd finish with kind of a dry-heave...my biggest concern, however, was that his breathing was a little labored when he was at rest and, most noticably, he was sleeping/hanging out in places he usually doesn't hang out at, ie. hidey-holes (when cats don't feel well, they'll often seek out hiding spots). How is your kitty acting otherwise? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:56 pm Subject: RE: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa Thank you, just a quick question was Ewok, sitting up and trying to throwup? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa Please do see a vet as soon as you can...it's possible that she could have lymphoma if her breathing is affected. Our Ewok had similar symptoms, difficulty breathing when resting and a phantom hairball...almost like an asthma attack. We found out that he does have a tumor in his chest and immediately started chemotherapy...he's doing well a little over a month after diagnosis! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:14 am Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive Yes, I am still giving her interferon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive I'd take her to the vet. Are you still giving her interferon? Gloria At 08:44 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote: Hello my name is Lisa Ward, I am fairly new to this club, anyway I lost a cat due to amenia, caused by Felv, I also have another cat that has tested positive for Felv, the vet put her on Interferon, she seemed to be doingwell up until yesterday, it seems like she has a fur ball and can't get it out, it seems to be affecting her breathing..Her gums are not white. I hope that is the problem...Any ideas...Thank you.Lisa Ward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:56 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kittens tested positive I am shocked they would even test at 3 weeks old to be honest. Especiallywith FIV kittens can test false positive for upto a year so need testing after 12 months and even if they are positive for FeLV or FIV it is no reason to euthanase. Not sure if teh same time scale applies to FeLV but I'm sure it will. I do know that the tests for FIV detect anibodies and not the virus - the kittens automatically get the antibodies from their mother but not necessarily the virus. So like I said tehy could test positive for a long time even though they may not have the virus. Time is usually around 6 months before they test negative but I've known cats to have false positives for 12months and even upto 2 years so if they tested positive on FIV there is every chance they may be negative. Hope someone else can help on the FeLV knowledge about time scales beforetesting can be accurate. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to step on them anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of disposing of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to study its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of Why? :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 am Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get closeenough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of course, don't seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, they're more afraid of you than you are of them line: well,i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry
I think it might just depend on the cat! I've heard that all cats have the instinct to catch prey...but they need to learn from their mothers what do do with the prey once they catch it (ie. kill)...whether that's true or not, I don't know...our boys (who were born with silver spoons in their mouths, so-to-speak) are interested in the chase for all of a few minutes before they get bored. Our two girls, on the other hand, who roughed it in the great outdoors when they were younger, are nick-named The Destructors as they aren't satisified until a cockroach is completely dismembered! :) Therefore, if I see a cockroach indoors, I've learned to go for one of the girls as the boys just aren't all that interested! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:25 pm Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to step on them anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of disposing of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to study its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of Why? :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 am Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as
Re: RE: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry
I've got the reverse problem...the cockroaches (palmetto bugs, I think...that does sound better than cockroaches) mostly take up residence in our garage, which is fine with me as it *isn't* in the house...however, we have a cat door in the door that connects the garage and house (why the garage is so fascinating, I don't know, but we were losing alot of air-conditioning by constantly having to open the door so the cats could investigate the garage, hence the cat door)...anyhoo, Lola and Mags will catch the cockroaches in the garage...AND THEN proceed to bring them into the house via the cat door to play with them! For some reason, the floor beneath the legs of the kitchen table and chairs is the perfect spot to let a roach go...guess it's fun to actually let the roach think it has a chance by letting it hide behind a leg... But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:45 pm Subject: RE: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry Well, that figures---you can always count on the girls! Thanks Jen. Hmmm, I don't think any of mine have the killer instinct. I've seen them all play and walk awayMaybe my 2 feral kits..but that wd mean me having to carry the roach into their room, yeeeuch. That just ain't gonna work!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry I think it might just depend on the cat! I've heard that all cats havethe instinct to catch prey...but they need to learn from their mothers what do do with the prey once they catch it (ie. kill)...whether that'strue or not, I don't know...our boys (who were born with silver spoons in their mouths, so-to-speak) are interested in the chase for all of a few minutes before they get bored. Our two girls, on the other hand, who roughed it in the great outdoors when they were younger, are nick-named The Destructors as they aren't satisified until a cockroachis completely dismembered! :) Therefore, if I see a cockroach indoors, I've learned to go for one of the girls as the boys just aren't all thatinterested! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:25 pm Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one
Re: Jen
:) With a few of the places we had to spend the night in our cars, I'm actually suprised we didn't get shot at... :) ...I'm trying to think of a good English colloquialism for avoided catastrophe ie. dodged a bullet, but can't think of one off-hand...do the Brits have an expression for barely avoided disaster? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 2, 2005 11:55 am Subject: Re: Jen Welcome back Jen---what an ordeal you guys have been through. It's great to know you're all safe and sound, and that your home is in one piece too.Hope little Ewok is doing okay. Good to have you back! Kerry PS: d'you literally mean you dodged a bullet or is that a dumb Brit Q?! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Jen Hi Guys! We're back! Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard timerecovering from the nightmare of the evacuation! :( It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!! Our evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of thosethousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out of gas! Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire way! We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it brought tornados. But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined to a car for two days! Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at an English pub called The Underground. :) Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointmentthis morning...more car trauma!! The poor guy, just got out of the damn car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to his doctor's appointment! We're all very much looking forward to this weekend! We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm(only 1/4 of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer staying in our own home during the storm!! Hope this all makes sense! My brain is still all over the place (I'm absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about Grace... :( Take care, all... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm Subject: Jen Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation?? tonya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg? Gloria At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria Yes..These were in Tenn. Now in Vermont and doing very well... They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats... A big change from when they were taken from AW... Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial visit to the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys Tad mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about location - Gloria At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: The white cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty
Re: Jen
Hi Guys! We're back! Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard time recovering from the nightmare of the evacuation! :( It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!! Our evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of those thousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out of gas! Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire way! We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it brought tornados. But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined to a car for two days! Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at an English pub called The Underground. :) Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointment this morning...more car trauma!! The poor guy, just got out of the damn car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to his doctor's appointment! We're all very much looking forward to this weekend! We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm (only 1/4 of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer staying in our own home during the storm!! Hope this all makes sense! My brain is still all over the place (I'm absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about Grace... :( Take care, all... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm Subject: Jen Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation?? tonya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg? Gloria At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria Yes..These were in Tenn. Now in Vermont and doing very well... They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats... A big change from when they were taken from AW... Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial visit to the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys Tad mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about location - Gloria At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: The white cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty ears, sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF cat, NOT white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE. I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save her, email Kara at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as she is already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may be yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want anyone's cat to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!) I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern time. Stay up late if interested! I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including your questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors! Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years - female Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up Ear mites Fleas 4+ Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth Dehydrated Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia Buff DSH, ~4 years - female Eyes - conjunctivitis Ears - mites Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma Abdomen - hernia over incision Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis Legs/feet - pressure sores Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge, missing teeth,
Re: We're outta here--Rita evacuation!--Susan
Hi Susan! I have heard from Gloria and I'll tell you the same thing I told her...I feel extremely fortunate that I've got such a wonderful network of friends all over the country! Thank you so much for the support! As of now, we have reservations at the Motel 6 off of Hwy. 30 in Little Rock...we will probably leave here early tomorrow morning and (fingers crossed that our house is spared serious damage) head back to Houston on Monday. Although, we may leave sooner depending on the evacuation orders...right now it's voluntary, but that is quickly going to change...we're in a low lying area by the Bay of Galveston (elevation only 16 ft.) and they're predicting a storm surge close to 20 ft.! I'm happy we've got a place to stay (and wonderful offers) for the time being...but I'll be honest, I'm scared to death that we're going to lose our home! I don't know if our flood insurance company will take pity on us as we only signed up for insurance about 2 weeks ago (usually doesn't take effect for a month). Please keep our humble little home in your thoughts!! :) And here is my cell phone #, as well: 281-229-1279...it's such a relief to know that other Feleuk parents are nearby in case of an emergency!! Thank you so much, again... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:13 am Subject: Re: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation! I know that the Airport Holiday Inn in Little Rock will allow pets - there was a tv spot talking to the manager saying they had dogs, cats and birds - and maybe something else. They showed bags of donated food they had for the animals. At the airport there is a Holiday Inn and a Holiday Inn Express - and this was the regular one. I am working with a Gulfport couple who is staying at the Residence Inn in Little Rock - and they have their cat there. If you come through Little Rock and need a place for the cats I know we can help. Plus we know a groomer who will board free and Gloria uses a boarding facility that will help out. Or the dogs could either stay with me or with Gloria overnight, I'm sure. Y'all just come on. You can reach me at 501-416-7547 and Gloria at 501-666- 9294. I'm speaking without asking Gloria but I know she will ditto what I said! Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Positive thoughts coming your way! Terri in NJ =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350-- --- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation! Hi All! Well, it looks like a mandatory evacuation may be scheduled for our area(SE Houston) by Thursday morning due to Rita...I'm hoping beyond hope that the hurricane will change course, but we're not taking any chances! If we have to leave, the animals are coming with us which means 2 dogs, 7 cats and a bearded dragon crammed into two cars...our plan is to headnorth to Indiana where our parents live...but we will probaby make a pit stop in Arkansas overnight...does any one know of any pet friendly hotels in the state? I'm hoping that whatever hotel we choose will pityour brood...but you never know! Wish us luck and pray the hurricanedoesn't do too much damage...and, most of all, keep our Feleuk guys in your thoughts! Take care, Jen
Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!
Hi All! Well, it looks like a mandatory evacuation may be scheduled for our area (SE Houston) by Thursday morning due to Rita...I'm hoping beyond hope that the hurricane will change course, but we're not taking any chances! If we have to leave, the animals are coming with us which means 2 dogs, 7 cats and a bearded dragon crammed into two cars...our plan is to head north to Indiana where our parents live...but we will probaby make a pit stop in Arkansas overnight...does any one know of any pet friendly hotels in the state? I'm hoping that whatever hotel we choose will pity our brood...but you never know! Wish us luck and pray the hurricane doesn't do too much damage...and, most of all, keep our Feleuk guys in your thoughts! Take care, Jen
Re: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!
Thanks, Terri! We need them now more than ever! I don't want to put the Feleuk guys through the stress of a move if I don't have to...but it doesn't look like we have much of a choice! :( But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:24 pm Subject: Re: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation! Positive thoughts coming your way! Terri in NJ =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/http://pagesivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation! Hi All! Well, it looks like a mandatory evacuation may be scheduled for our area (SE Houston) by Thursday morning due to Rita...I'm hoping beyond hope that the hurricane will change course, but we're not taking any chances! If we have to leave, the animals are coming with us which means 2 dogs, 7 cats and a bearded dragon crammed into two cars...our plan is to head north to Indiana where our parents live...but we will probaby make a pit stop in Arkansas overnight...does any one know of any pet friendly hotels in the state? I'm hoping that whatever hotel we choose will pity our brood...but you never know! Wish us luck and pray the hurricane doesn't do too much damage...and, most of all, keep our Feleuk guys in your thoughts! Take care, Jen
Re: RE: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!
Thanks, Chris! That is my thinking as well...if we have no other option, we sneak and hope that everyone remains on their best behavior! ;) No mysterious circular stains on the carpet!! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:52 pm Subject: RE: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation! Here are a couple of links that might help... http://www.pets-allowed-hotels.com/us/Arkansas/ http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/travel/guides/us/usstateAR.shtml http://www.petfriendlytravel.com/?page=find_listingsstate=AR Got these thru Google search on pet friendly hotels + Arkansas I also know there is one large chain that changed its policy to allow pets when the CEO of the company tried to check in at one of the upscale hotelsin the chain with his dog they refused him... I can't remember which chain it is... However, just a suggestion... if you can find one of those one floor places where you pull up to the door, just tell them you have one dog bring the troop in when no one is looking. My parents have criss-crossed the country several times with a dog had all sorts of experiences. They were traveling late one night in the winter,found a motel who told them the dog would have to stay in the car for the night. My mother took the key as she walked to the room, told them they better call the police as the dog was most definitely not staying in the car! Other times when they weren't sure, they just didn't tell anyone about the dog snuck him in. Like yourself, they weren't sightseing so they were always in the room with him to make sure he didn't make too much noiseOne of their dogs seem to instinstively know when she was being 'snuck' in as friendly as she was, she would be very quiet when my father would walk her stay quietly with him when he was ducking out of view Here's hoping that you don't have to evacuate or that if you do, it will go OK... Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation! Hi All! Well, it looks like a mandatory evacuation may be scheduled for our area(SE Houston) by Thursday morning due to Rita...I'm hoping beyond hope that the hurricane will change course, but we're not taking any chances! If we have to leave, the animals are coming with us which means 2 dogs, 7 cats and a bearded dragon crammed into two cars...our plan is to headnorth to Indiana where our parents live...but we will probaby make a pit stop in Arkansas overnight...does any one know of any pet friendly hotels in the state? I'm hoping that whatever hotel we choose will pityour brood...but you never know! Wish us luck and pray the hurricanedoesn't do too much damage...and, most of all, keep our Feleuk guys in your thoughts! Take care, Jen
Re: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!
Thanks, Kerry...I think I'm still in a bit of denial...I'm originally from the Chicago-land area where the worst thing we had to worry about, nature-wise, was losing an extremity or two in the bitter cold! ;) The whole scenerio of your house being under water is just too much for me to fathom, right now! Whereabouts in England are you from? I had the good fortune of visiting London for a short time several years ago and loved every minute...if we lose the house in the storm, we're moving to England! :) Thanks for the well-wishes! All the best! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:31 pm Subject: Re: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation! You take care, Jen--you and all your brood! And good luck -- we're thinkingof you. BTW I'm in awe with the way you're dealing with this stuff. We don't have natural disasters on this scale in Britain (just bombs)Keep us posted when you get time--Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation! Hi All! Well, it looks like a mandatory evacuation may be scheduled for our area (SE Houston) by Thursday morning due to Rita...I'm hoping beyond hope that the hurricane will change course, but we're not taking any chances! If we have to leave, the animals are coming with us which means 2 dogs, 7 cats and a bearded dragon crammed into two cars...our plan is to head north to Indiana where our parents live...but we will probaby make a pit stop in Arkansas overnight...does any one know of any pet friendly hotels in the state? I'm hoping that whatever hotel we choose will pity our brood...but you never know! Wish us luck and pray the hurricane doesn't do too much damage...and, most of all, keep our Feleuk guys in your thoughts! Take care, Jen
Re: My ANGEL Sebastian
How do Sebastian's gums look? Are they pale? How's his breathing? He could be fighting anemia...but I'm guessing the vets would have tested for that when they saw him last...are they leaning towards something neurological? It may help your piece of mind knowing what is going on with him...it sounds like Sebastian has enough strength for both of you...let that guide you so that you can get to the bottom of his illness. I know it's easier to kind of float about in denial out of fear of losing a loved one (I've done it several times myself), and while you can't control when a loved one will depart, you can take control over treatment...and with that control there's piece of mind and a sense of purpose that will over-shadow your fear...You guys are in my thoughts!! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George---BeginMessage--- I have not written for so long because I feel that I have given up hope. Sebastian has not been doing very well. He can no longer walk and he relies on me to take him to the litter box and to feed him. He still has a good appetite. He seems so depressed now. I am so heart broken that I cry almost daily. I am not strong enough to let him go. I feel that it isn't up to me to play god and that he will go when he is ready. He just keeps fighting. He is so much braver than me. I took him to the Virginia Tech Veterinary hospital on August 1st. They were wanting to run alot of tests. The tests were very risky, so I decided against them. Now I feel that I have no choice and I have to find out what is wrong with him and see if there is something that can be done. I don't know what I will do without him. I am so scared of losing him. ---End Message---
Re: pet victims of Katrina
Thankfully, most of the animals in those pics have their owner's with them! We actually hit the Houston SPCA and Humane Society here in Houston to drop off food and supplies...The SPCA took in over 250 homeless animals from the Louisiana SPCA and the Humane Society is going hotel-to-hotel, shelter-to-shelter to drop off much needed food for other animal-refugees! We actually ran into another woman at Sam's Club who saw our cart-load of food and mentioned that word went out at Petsmart and Petco about the SPCA's call for food and donations for the refugees...so the woman immediately picked up about 500 lbs. of food and dropped it off at the shelter...it's good to know that the animals haven't been forgotten in this tragedy! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9133876 Opens a link to click on to view the images of some of the pets in the storm. I know it's been discussed, wasn't sure anyone had seen the pictures. And these are only a few from ONE network. Lots of animals trapped on roofs and in houses. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.htmlAdopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005
Re: pet victims of Katrina--donations!!
Thanks, Julie...I wish I could do more...I just checked out the Houston SPCA's and Humane Society's websites...the SPCA is offering to take in any pets of refugees staying in Houston and the Humane Society is offering a free clinic through the holiday weekend where staff will volunteer their time to give cajun-refugee pets free medical care and vaccinations...these are wonderful organizations, if anyone wishes to donate, please visit their websites at http://www.spcahouston.org/ and http://www.houstonhumane.org/ !!! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 2:38 pm Subject: Re: pet victims of Katrina What you were able to do is wonderful, Jen! I cannot even imagine what conditions there are like; by all accounts it's Hell on earth. It's heartbreaking and I think of the animals and children and the sick who can't understand what's happened to them. The only place I know of that is currently soliciting donations specifically for animal rescue from this horror is www.ifaw.org. in case anyone is interested. Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thankfully, most of the animals in those pics have their owner's with them! We actually hit the Houston SPCA and Humane Society here in Houston to drop off food and supplies...The SPCA took in over 250 homeless animals from the Louisiana SPCA and the Humane Society is going hotel-to-hotel, shelter-to-shelter to drop off much needed food for other animal-refugees! We actually ran into another woman at Sam's Club who saw our cart-load of food and mentioned that word went out at Petsmart and Petco about the SPCA's call for food and donations for the refugees...so the woman immediately picked up about 500 lbs. of food and dropped it off at the shelter...it's good to know that the animals haven't been forgotten in this tragedy! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9133876 Opens a link to click on to view the images of some of the pets in the storm. I know it's been discussed, wasn't sure anyone had seen the pictures. And these are only a few from ONE network. Lots of animals trapped on roofs and in houses. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: RE: Lisa--Nutrical
This is a good way to administer Nutrical, if it hasn't been suggested already! It's a high-calorie gel that comes in a tube (can also be found at Petsmart, etc.)...just put some on your finger and scrape against the roof of kitty's mouth...I've also put some on paws so that they're forced to lick it off...but you can't put too much as cat's have a tendency to want to shake it off before they lick it off...I've got splatterings of Nutrical all over the kitchen! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:13 am Subject: RE: Lisa Hi, Lisa, are you using syringe? I have one cat, Leo who just hated to be fed with syringe and everthing could come out from his mouth --- My vet also told me a different way of feeding with your finger - you take a pallatble food like baby food or cannned food, and put some on the tip of your pointing finger . you put the food side up (the oppositeside of where your nail is), and put it into his mouth -- rub against the top of his palate - How is he doing today? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabeth PazSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Hideyo Thank you for your kind words, I will keep trying. It just that he struggles so much that I worry about getting him all stressed out. He does put up one heck of a struggle. His head is so strong and it moves so quickly. But I will keep trying. He was so ill in 03 that we did not think he would make it but we worked so hard on getting him so healthy and chubby. butthis is so different with the food. I can easily give him his pills, but this food stuff, what can I say, this is just tearing my heart up. Thank You for support. Lisa BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1 From: iquot;Hideyo Yamamotoquot; [EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/ibrReply-To: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrTo: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt;/ibrSubject: iRE: Won't EatPlease Help/ibrDate: iTue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:06 -0600/ibrgt;Lisa, I can emphasize your pain - my Felv positive, Ginger stoppedbrgt;eating for over a week a several months ago.brgt;brgt;She is already a very small girl, and did not want her to lose any morebrgt;weight - so as Nina mentioned, I assisted her to eat with syringe everybrgt;day with baby food and liver shake -brgt;brgt;I will be praying that your kitty will bounce back very soon - so staybrgt;calm (I know it's hard, but do your best) and talkto him gently andbrgt;tell him how much he means to you and how he is going to get better verybrgt;very soon..brgt;brgt;Love and hugs to you and your kitty..brgt;brgt;Hideyobrgt;brgt;-Original Message-brgt;From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brgt;[mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ninabrgt;Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:55 PMbrgt;To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgbrgt;Subject: Re: Won't EatPlease Helpbrgt;brgt;Hi Lisa,brgt;I can hear the panic in your voice and how very much you love yourbrgt;Kitty. You are right, you need to get him to eat. It is wonderfulbrgt;that he has been so healthy and has a few extra pounds to help himbrgt;maintain right now. He is in dangerof HL if he goes without eatingbrgt;anything in a 24 to 48 hour period. That means if you get somethingbrgt;down him, he'll probably be okay.I know the sound of quot;syringebrgt;feedingquot; can be intimidating. Don't think of it as quot;forcequot; feeding,brgt;think of it as quot;assistedquot; feeding. Like you would a baby. There is abrgt;group for help with this, here's the link:brgt;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted- Feeding/brgt;brgt;Poor thing must be so panicky with his eyes giving him trouble likebrgt;that. Not to mention the vet trip from Hell. All he's going to wantbrgt;to do is hide. Please try to calm yourself. Put on some soft music andbrgt;brgt;keep the room he's in dark. If he wants to hide, go ahead and let him,brgt;(after you get his meds and some food in him of course). Speak softlybrgt;to him and tell him how the two of you will see this through together.brgt;Tell him you will do your very best to make
Re: Jen----Nutrical
Hi Lisa! Yep, it's a supplement that can be taylored for supplemental use, or for guys that aren't eating much (if anything) at all! Like I said, it just comes in a tube (kinda like toothpaste)...if you're able to get your finger in kitty's mouth (as opposed to the syringe, which takes a little getting used to, I admit), then this may be the way to go! Good luck! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Paz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:13 pm Subject: JenNutrical I've never heard of Nutrical, is it a food supplement? This sounds very good and quite easy to give, at this point I am willing to try anything. Thank you so much, I will be picking up a tube tomorrow. BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER- LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1 From: i[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibrReply-To: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrTo: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrSubject: iRe: RE: Lisa--Nutrical/ibrDate: iWed, 31 Aug 2005 12:16:34 -0500/ibrgt;This is a good way to administer Nutrical, if it hasn't been suggestedbrgt;already! It's a high-calorie gel that comes in a tube (can also bebrgt;found at Petsmart, etc.)...just put some on your finger and scrapebrgt;against the roof of kitty's mouth...I've also put some on paws so thatbrgt;they're forced to lick it off...but you can't put too much as cat's havebrgt;a tendency to want to shake it off before they lick it off...I've gotbrgt;splatterings of Nutrical all over the kitchen!brgt;brgt;brgt;brgt;quot;But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will bebrgt;unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbrgt;become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...quot; --Antoine debrgt;Saint- Exupérybrgt;brgt;quot;If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knowbrgt;each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatbrgt;you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys.quot; --Chief Danbrgt;Georgebrgt;brgt;- Original Message -brgt;From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;brgt;Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:13 ambrgt;Subject: RE: Lisabrgt;brgt; gt; Hi, Lisa, are you using syringe? I have one cat, Leo who justbrgt; gt; hated tobrgt; gt; be fed with syringe and everthing could come out from his mouth ---brgt; gt;brgt; gt; My vet also told me a different way of feeding with your finger - youbrgt; gt; take a pallatble food like baby food or cannned food, and put some onbrgt; gt; the tip of your pointing finger . you put the food side up (thebrgt; gt; oppositeside of where your nail is), and put it into his mouth --brgt; gt; rub againstbrgt; gt; the top of his palate -brgt; gt;brgt; gt; How is he doing today?brgt; gt; -Original Message-brgt; gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brgt; gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabethbrgt; gt; PazSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11 PMbrgt; gt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgbrgt; gt; Subject: Hideyobrgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt; Thank you for your kind words, I will keep trying. It just that hebrgt; gt; struggles so much that I worry about getting him all stressed out. Hebrgt; gt; doesbrgt; gt; put up one heck of a struggle. His head is so strong and it movesbrgt; gt; sobrgt; gt; quickly.brgt; gt;brgt; gt; But I will keep trying. He was so ill in 03 that we did not think hebrgt; gt; wouldbrgt; gt; make it but we worked so hard on getting him so healthy and chubby.brgt; gt; butthisbrgt; gt; is so different with the food. I can easily give him his pills, butbrgt; gt; thisbrgt; gt; food stuff, what can I say, this is just tearing my heart up.brgt; gt;brgt; gt; Thank You for support.brgt; gt; Lisabrgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt; BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:brgt; gt; #A0C6E5brgt; gt; 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'gt;fontbrgt; gt; style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'gt;hrbrgt; gt; color=#A0C6E5brgt; gt; size=1gt;brgt; gt; From: igt;amp;quot;Hideyo Yamamotoamp;quot;brgt; gt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]amp;gt;/igt;brgt;Reply- To:brgt; gt; igt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/igt;brgt;To:brgt; gt;
Re: Won't Eat....Please Help
Hi Lisa! Have you tried giving him a little l-lysine? If he's having a problem smelling his food (one reason that he may not want to eat), then lysine might help clear up anything sinus-wise (and maybe even eye-wise) so that he can smell his food again! That said, you may want to try anything smelly...tuna, salmon, etc...if all else fails, and he doesn't object too much, you can always try syringe feeding him...you can pick up a large syringe at most pet stores (Petsmart, Petco)...the easiest thing to syringe, canned food-wise, is Hill's A/D (which can only be found at a vet's office)...or, chicken or turkey baby food is always a good one...just make sure it doesn't have any onion in the ingredients...Beechnut, apparently, makes a pure chicken baby food...but I don't have that available around here, so I use Gerber...I believe the label says Chicken with chicken gravy ie. there is corn starch added... Good luck and keep us updated! I hope he can find a little relief soon! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Paz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:17 pm Subject: Won't EatPlease Help Hi everyone, Has anyone got any ideas on how to get some food into my kitty? He has had FELV since 03. He was a very sick kitty and we were a breath away from having to put him to sleep. We wanted to try and give him a chance, even though our Vet and the Ophthalmologist that was treating kitty's eyes were against it. He was on Prednisone 5mg a day for about 6 months, he began looking and acting healthier. then his meds were changed to half a pill each day, and then finally a half a pill every other day. August of 04 he was taken off of all meds, and became a healthy chubby cat. ( 16 lbs) He has been wonderful till Friday of last week. Then over this weekend his eyes clouded over (Uveitis returned) and he is not eating a thing. I have tried everything, even his favorite snack, and no way. We went to the Vet yesterday (Monday), and guess what, the Dr. who has worked with us is on holiday. What a mess. The one that we saw was a bit of a fruit cake. She tried to draw blood and had such a problem, it took three tries with kitty crying, can't even tell you what I was going to do to her if hubby had not stepped in. I spoke to her about the prednisone. She said she did not want to put him back on the prednisone at this time and on and on and on. I told her our Dr. made it quite clear to us,( it was down on his chart also ) that if we saw that he was sliding to get him back on the Prednisone. It was like talking to the wall. She gave me an anti-biotic for ten days for him and that was it. Today I called and got one of the other vets who pulled Kitty's chart and gave me a prescription for the prednisone. I will be starting it later. Tomorrow we will be taking him to his Ophthalmologist and hopefully she will be able to get his eyes back under control. Please God. I am quite sure at this time he is only seeing shadows, and is so frightened from every noise. I can't get him to eat. I know how important this is on a chubby cat, and how quickly they can get... Hepatic Lipidosis and it may be fatal with his immune system.. A few moments ago I put a little food on my finger and had to force his little mouth open and I put it on the back of his tongue. He did swallow it, and is now sleeping. Would anyone know of any other way of doing it. Sorry about this winded letter, it has been a long and heartbreaking 5 days. Thank you for taking the time to read it. Lisa.
Re: Ewok has a tumor--Michelle
Thanks, Tonya! Yeah, I think there may have been something up with the list over the weekend...hopefully the problem has been resolved! :) Ewok, so far, is doing pretty well...he's breathing much easier so I take that as good news that the tumor is shrinking...I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much as the lymphomas I've dealt with in the past have been soo aggressive... :( If he does go into remission, I fear that it won't be for very long...anyhoo, I'm trying not to think about that...he's feeling pretty good right now and that's all that matters...I had no idea that I could spoil him any more that I already had! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:47 pm Subject: Re: Ewok has a tumor--Michelle Jen, I must have missed this. I'm hoping Ewok responds well to treatment. Is he positive? tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to keep that perspective, it will be a huge blessing. I try to do that myself. But I am often not so great at it. Michelle In a message dated 8/26/05 7:05:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not at all, Michelle! In fact, I'm trying not to think about all of the possible outcomes, right now...just taking it one day at a time! By some fluke, Ewok may not even respond to the chemo at all...To even have3 years with him and his brother has been a blessing...at this point, to just have a few more weeks with him is all I ask...if it's more, then I'll be all the more grateful! I'm not ready to say good-bye, but I don't think I ever will be...every minute is precious, now! Thanks for everything! Jen
Re: Please add Big Rik to the special needs list
Big hugs to you and Big Rik (love his name)! You guys are in my thoughts! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:29 am Subject: Please add Big Rik to the special needs list Please add my 19 1/2 year old Big Rik to the special needs list. He has been your typical grumpy old man for the last few years, but incredibly healthy. He has just begun to stay dehydrated enough to need subQ fluids and I noticed yesterday that his hind quarters are getting week and unsteady. He's a really fine old fella, felv negative. thanks
Re: CLS - Twiggy
Joan, please tell your friend how very sorry I am to hear that Twiggy had to go...I'm sure she is a bright, shiney new fur-angel completely uninhibited, now...I know Twiggy is going to be pretty busy for awhile, but I'm sure she'll be watching over the wonderful people who watched over her for the short time that she was here...Big hugs to Norrice! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:06 am Subject: CLS - Twiggy Belinda, Please add, my friend, Norrice's kitten Twiggy to the Candlelight Service.She was about 9 months old, and probably died from FIP early Saturday morning. She had started having seizures and was rushed to a 24 hours clinic. Norrice was told there was no hope for her recovery, so she waseuthanized.. When she was rescued she was always thin and somewhat sickly, she has good times but often had a fever which would come and go. Norrice,had her to the vet, numerous times and previously they could not find anything specifically wrong. This past week though, the blood work showedthat Twiggy was slightly anemic, had a high white blood count, elevated liver enzyme levels, and a high globulin count. She tested negative for both feline leukemia and aids. She was always listless and since she never ate much, or gained much weight, she was named Twiggy. Twiggy came from a house with many unaltered animals (now they are all altered) and some kitten deaths (probably also from FIP). Norrice, took Twiggy, to get her to a better environment. Twiggy's life, though indeed short, was one filled with love and much caring.. Thank you, Joan
Re: RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
I am so sorry to hear about Cloud! Has the vet given you a definitive diagnosis? Cats don't generally die of the Feleuk virus itself, but rather because of diseases that take advantage of the cat's weakened immune system...is Cloud anemic? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:21 am Subject: RE: CLS - Twiggy I am very sorry to hear about Twiggy, I also have a kitty (Cloud) dying of feline lekuminia, she has no energy, the vet says there is nothing that can be doneGood please her.Lisa Ward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy Joan, please tell your friend how very sorry I am to hear that Twiggy had to go...I'm sure she is a bright, shiney new fur-angel completely uninhibited, now...I know Twiggy is going to be pretty busy for awhile,but I'm sure she'll be watching over the wonderful people who watched over her for the short time that she was here...Big hugs to Norrice! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:06 am Subject: CLS - Twiggy Belinda, Please add, my friend, Norrice's kitten Twiggy to the Candlelight Service.She was about 9 months old, and probably died from FIP early Saturday morning. She had started having seizures and was rushed to a 24 hours clinic. Norrice was told there was no hope for her recovery, so she waseuthanized.. When she was rescued she was always thin and somewhat sickly, she has good times but often had a fever which would come and go. Norrice,had her to the vet, numerous times and previously they could not find anything specifically wrong. This past week though, the blood work showedthat Twiggy was slightly anemic, had a high white blood count, elevated liver enzyme levels, and a high globulin count. She tested negative for both feline leukemia and aids. She was always listless and since she never ate much, or gained much weight, she was named Twiggy. Twiggy came from a house with many unaltered animals (now they are all altered) and some kitten deaths (probably also from FIP). Norrice, took Twiggy, to get her to a better environment. Twiggy's life, though indeed short, was one filled with love and much caring.. Thank you, Joan
Re: Ewok has a tumor--Michelle
I don't know...it looks good on paper, so-to-speak...but it still hasn't hit me yet that he has cancer...I've treated every single day since I found out that he and his brothers were positive as if it were their last...I have no regrets, but it won't make it any easier...I don't want to lose him, that's the God's honest truth...I think I'm ready for a good cry right about now...it's been 24 hours in the making! :( Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, August 27, 2005 7:29 pm Subject: Re: Ewok has a tumor--Michelle If you are able to keep that perspective, it will be a huge blessing. I try to do that myself. But I am often not so great at it. Michelle In a message dated 8/26/05 7:05:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not at all, Michelle! In fact, I'm trying not to think about all of the possible outcomes, right now...just taking it one day at a time! By some fluke, Ewok may not even respond to the chemo at all...To even have3 years with him and his brother has been a blessing...at this point, to just have a few more weeks with him is all I ask...if it's more, then I'll be all the more grateful! I'm not ready to say good-bye, but I don't think I ever will be...every minute is precious, now! Thanks for everything! Jen
Please add Ewok to the special needs list?
He's been feeling punky the last couple of weeks...to my untrained eye, it almost seems as though he's having an allergic reaction to something...he's scratching like mad around his face and neck (despite the use of flea meds--Advantage). But whether or not the scratching is related to the fact that he's now having a little trouble breathing remains to be seen. His color is good, and I pray to whoever might be listening that there isn't something in his chest cavity that shouldn't be there!! Thank you so much! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George
Ewok
Sorry, forgot to mention that he has a vet appointment in about an hour...wish us luck!! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George
Ewok has a tumor... :(
Damn, damn, damn...but I can't tell you guys enough how so very proud of this little man I am...my vet was able to get us into the oncologist's office straight away and it was confirmed that he has lymphosarcoma in his chest cavity. He went through his first round of chemo this morning (everything has happened so fast...I'll probably be hitting the wine supply shortly...forget going back to work! ;) )...anyhoo, all we can do now is wait and see how the tumor responds. My vet was actually quite impressed with his overall health (bloodwork, etc.) that she even retested him for leukemia to see if he hadn't thrown the virus off...but, unfortunately, he's still coming up positive. No mattter, though, he seems to be pretty upbeat irregardless...incessently grooming all his shaved spots...if all goes well, the oncologist says perhaps six to eight months (although he treated a feleuk guy who's going on 2 years remission), and I'll take it seeing as though, for these Feleuk guys, 6 months is a lifetime... Thank you all so much for your good wishes, they truly mean the world to me, especially in the days ahead! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George
Re: Ewok has a tumor... :(
Thanks, Gloria! He is a very special guy...he's my baby boy, so-named because he is the youngest of the original litter of 5 kittens (his oldest brother, Sleepypants, is still going strong, as well!). He's a tough guy...hopefully he can keep the FeLV at bay just a little bit longer! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:55 pm Subject: Re: Ewok has a tumor... :( Oh Jen, I'm so sorry - Here's lifting a glass of wine to Ewok, may he get well and prosper. Sounds like a great guy. Gloria At 01:24 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote: Damn, damn, damn...but I can't tell you guys enough how so very proud of this little man I am...my vet was able to get us into the oncologist's office straight away and it was confirmed that he has lymphosarcoma in his chest cavity. He went through his first round of chemo this morning (everything has happened so fast...I'll probably be hitting the wine supply shortly...forget going back to work! ;) )...anyhoo, all we can do now is wait and see how the tumorresponds. My vet was actually quite impressed with his overall health (bloodwork, etc.) that she even retested him for leukemia to see if he hadn't thrown the virus off...but, unfortunately, he's still coming up positive. No mattter, though, he seems to be pretty upbeat irregardless...incessently grooming all his shaved spots...if all goeswell, the oncologist says perhaps six to eight months (although he treated a feleuk guy who's going on 2 years remission), and I'll take it seeing as though, for these Feleuk guys, 6 months is a lifetime... Thank you all so much for your good wishes, they truly mean the world to me, especially in the days ahead! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- Antoinede Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. - - Chief Dan George
Re: RE: Ewok has a tumor... :(
Thanks, Joan! I hope he proves 'em all wrong, too!! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:26 pm Subject: RE: Ewok has a tumor... :( Jen, All I can say is Go Ewok and prove them all wrong! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Ewok has a tumor... :( Damn, damn, damn...but I can't tell you guys enough how so very proud of this little man I am...my vet was able to get us into the oncologist's office straight away and it was confirmed that he has lymphosarcoma in his chest cavity. He went through his first round of chemo this morning (everything has happened so fast...I'll probably be hitting the wine supply shortly...forget going back to work! ;) )...anyhoo, all we can do now is wait and see how the tumor responds. My vet was actually quite impressed with his overall health (bloodwork, etc.) that she even retested him for leukemia to see if he hadn't thrown the virus off...but, unfortunately, he's still coming up positive. No mattter, though, he seems to be pretty upbeat irregardless...incessently grooming all his shaved spots...if all goes well, the oncologist says perhaps six to eight months (although he treated a feleuk guy who's going on 2 years remission), and I'll take it seeing as though, for these Feleuk guys, 6 months is a lifetime... Thank you all so much for your good wishes, they truly mean the world to me, especially in the days ahead! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George
Re: Ewok has a tumor... :(
Thank you! I will certainly look into MacroForce...I've never heard of that one! Thanks for the info! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:45 pm Subject: Re: Ewok has a tumor... :( My alternative vet put Kitty on Intrasound Powder and MacroForce to boosther immune system. She has tumors in both lungs (unrelated to FeLV) that the vets believe are cancer (I don't agree--I believe they are from histoplasmosis because she was feral when she came to live with my parentsand spent most of her kittenhood in a starling infested pine thicket). I refused to try chemo or surgery on her over 6 months ago and she is doing very well. You might check the internet for the active ingredient in MacroForce. I know it comes in several forms. She also drinks water treated with Willard Water. Good luck. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Ewok has a tumor... :( Oh Jen, I'm so sorry - Here's lifting a glass of wine to Ewok, may he get well and prosper. Sounds like a great guy. Gloria At 01:24 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote: Damn, damn, damn...but I can't tell you guys enough how so very proud of this little man I am...my vet was able to get us into the oncologist's office straight away and it was confirmed that he has lymphosarcoma in his chest cavity. He went through his first round of chemo this morning (everything has happened so fast...I'll probably be hitting the wine supply shortly...forget going back to work! ;) )...anyhoo, all we can do now is wait and see how the tumor responds. My vet was actually quite impressed with his overall health (bloodwork, etc.) that she even retested him for leukemia to see if he hadn't thrown the virus off...but, unfortunately, he's still coming up positive. No mattter, though, he seems to be pretty upbeat irregardless...incessently grooming all his shaved spots...if all goes well, the oncologist says perhaps six to eight months (although he treated a feleuk guy who's going on 2 years remission), and I'll take it seeing as though, for these Feleuk guys, 6 months is a lifetime... Thank you all so much for your good wishes, they truly mean the world to me, especially in the days ahead! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George
Re: Ewok has a tumor... :(
:) Thanks, Jenn! I needed that pep-talk! :) I'm just hoping that Ewok's tumor responds better to chemo that our Pips' did...although I hear that chest tumors respond much more readily to chemo than intestinal tumors (which Pips had). And you're lucky...I had my sights set on the tequila bottle originally! LOL! ;) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:32 pm Subject: Re: Ewok has a tumor... :( Sorry to hear Ewok has cancer... but sending positive vibes that he beats it and does GREAT! Now let's worry about mom a bit being in a drunken stupor is not going to help Ewok... pull it together, you can DO THIS! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
Re: Ewok has a tumor... :(
Thanks, Susan...that means alot! Ewok isn't too keen on the shaving bit right now, but something's making him feel a little better as he's got more spunk now than he's had in the past week...I hope this works! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Ewok has a tumor... :( Give that sweet boy a big hug from me and my feleuk gang - he will be in my prayers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Damn, damn, damn...but I can't tell you guys enough how so very proud of this little man I am...my vet was able to get us into the oncologist's office straight away and it was confirmed that he has lymphosarcoma in his chest cavity. He went through his first round of chemo this morning (everything has happened so fast...I'll probably be hitting the wine supply shortly...forget going back to work! ;) )...anyhoo, all we can do now is wait and see how the tumor responds. My vet was actually quite impressed with his overall health (bloodwork, etc.) that she even retested him for leukemia to see if he hadn't thrown the virus off...but, unfortunately, he's still coming up positive. No mattter, though, he seems to be pretty upbeat irregardless...incessently grooming all his shaved spots...if all goes well, the oncologist says perhaps six to eight months (although he treated a feleuk guy who's going on 2 years remission), and I'll take it seeing as though, for these Feleuk guys, 6 months is a lifetime... Thank you all so much for your good wishes, they truly mean the world to me, especially in the days ahead! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George
OT: To all who have taken in a stray...ie. everyone!
Stray Cat by Francis Witham Oh, what unhappy twist of fate Has brought you, homeless, to my gate The gate where once another stood To beg for shelter, warmth and food? For from that day I ceased to be The master of my destiny, While she, with purr and velvet paw Became, within my house, The Law. She scratched the furniture and shed And claimed the middle of my bed. She ruled in arrogance and pride And broke my heart the day she died. So, if you really think, oh cat I'd willingly relive all that Because you come, forlorn and thin Well, don't just stand there, Come on in! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George
Re: St. Francis Medals--for ALL!
Hi Nancy! Not a problem! Just send me your mailing address (your money is no good here)! :) MC has offered to write-out the prayer that my Dad used to bless the medals in caligraphy, so I'm just waiting to hear back from her and will include the prayer with the medals! Glad to hear your guys are doing great! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:49 am Subject: Re: St. Francis Medals--for ALL! Jen, I don't keep up as I should with the list, but I was just scrolling through, and I szaw your offer on here for the St. rancis medals. I can't ask for 19 medals (16 cats, 2 dogs, and me) but I would love to have a few. I think St. Francis has to be my favorite saint (or would be if I were Catholic!) He must be watching us---no family deaths for at least 1 1/2 years, I think. My three Felv+ kids ae doing pretty well. Please let me know how much I need to send you. Thanks! Luv, Nancy and her MC Heaven, to me, will never a Heaven be Unless my pets are there with me! Don't take your organs to Heaven~~~ Heaven knows we need them here!
Our boys' B-day!
I was going to wait to post on the actual day...but since the list is a little slow (and because I couldn't wait to announce it) :) ...Our boys, Sleepypants and Ewok, will be 3 years old on the 22nd! :) Not too shabby for a couple of guys born with the virus! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George
Re: Laying tile was: ot- flooring for pee club members
You go girl! :) We laid ceramic tile in our kitchen...wasn't that hard at all! Be sure to rent a tile cutter...makes the job a heck of alot easier! And keep the cement-adhesive well mixed so you can spread it easily (I used a mixer attachment specifically for mixing adhesive and grout...it just attaches to a regular power drill)...I would mix the adhesive every 5 minutes or so to keep the adhesive pliable...and definitely be sure to seal the grout once it's dry (I just picked up a sealer at Home Depot...it's worked well to prevent stains from setting into the grout...although we also picked a dark grey grout to hide an imperfections... :) ). Good luck! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George I'm pretty handy around the house love do it yourself project. I've been reading up on laying tile and it doesn't seem all that hard. I think I'll give it a try. It might take my mind off Spanky.Staying busy all ways helps me. I'll let you know how it turns out. Sheila
Re: RE: Alum foil-females in heat
Our Lola went into heat a few days before we had her spayed and proceeded to mark most of the cat beds! But she would just squat and let out a few drops of urine...never completely released the contents of her bladder... :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:27 am Subject: RE: Alum foil Has anyone heard about this kind of behavior when the females are in heat? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had the same experience trying to keep them off a new couch (silly me!)?it was so much fun picking up shreds of aluminum foil all over the apt for weeks. Ultimately, got a cover for the couch?. As for peeing, I have one who will periodically start up?not UTI?s?she is on Clonicalm it really seems to work for her? (knock on wood) Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Alum foil I tried this once. For maybe 2 days they were afraid of the foil. Then they played with the foil, tore it into bits, and peed in the area. You might have better luck though! It's always worth a try. t Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The noise of their pee on the foil might tend to foil the act. My house would be well decorated, but it is definitely an interesting thought. Del - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie I did just look up Rodent ulcer and I am pretty sure that is what she has.it seems to have gotten a little worse but only slightly, the vet will be here next Tuesday, I am calling her tomorrow to see if she can send me something or tell me how to make Candy feel better. Thanks for you insight By the by regarding urinating problems, I read putting aluminum foil is the trouble spots might help deter marking. Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunny James had a swollen upper lip on one side ... rodent ulcer ... it disappeared on its own. At the time I could not remember what I had read about it and asked in this group because I, too, was concerned about it being contagious ... it is not. Usually from food allergies. Since Sunny James' fat lip did not reoccur, I wondered if it had been an allergic reaction to an insect bite. Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Bottom Lip/Cherie I seem to recall someone on the list a few years ago having kitty that had this on their lips. Forgive I can't remember who it was for the life of me. In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:25:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our group has had one kitty with a rodent ulcer on the upper lip. The vet put him on steroids. Not considered contagious. Gloria On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Cherie A Gabbert wrote: 1) I have a slight problem, my Himmie Candy has a sore on her bottom lip, that I can not identify, any thoughts? She is a negative to FeLV and I have a vet coming out next week, I am just worried that it could spread to the others. 2) I have to join the pee club I seem to have someone, not sure who have little accidents in two corners of the house, any thoughts how to determine which one it is...I only have one male but it is not vertical spraying and it is not alot... Any help would be appreciated ;-)) Cherie Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue Click Here to Join K9 and Puddy Xpress Yahoo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K9andPuddyXpress/join http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.orecatay.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm
Re: RE: Alum foil-females in heat
Yeah, I had heard that as well...I think there's some debate about the issue which, I believe, comes down to how confident the surgeon is with performing a spay on a female in heat...perhaps something to do with blood vessels (associated with the uterus/ovaries) being enlarged and the risk associated with nicking one of those vessels, or something to that effect...I'm not entirely sure. But Lola was certainly in heat, and I even mentioned this to the vet the day of the surgery having heard that a cat in heat shouldn't be spayed...but my vet didn't even bat an eye...and Lola came through with flying colors! :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:54 am Subject: Re: RE: Alum foil-females in heat That sounds like what is happening here, I was told I can not get her fixed while she is in heat. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Our Lola went into heat a few days before we had her spayed and proceeded to mark most of the cat beds! But she would just squat and let out a few drops of urine...never completely released the contents of her bladder... :)
Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
Hee, hee! I've even gone to the extent of removing all of the carpet in the house and replacing with ceramic tile/laminate wood flooring (I highly recommend the Armstrong's edition made exclusively for Lowe's...withstands spills and cat claws peeling out at 100 miles and hour)...and the rugs are the cheap berber/industrial rugs that you can pick up at Walmart for $30 (they don't seem to be as comfortable to pee on and withstand claw sharpening)...two mottos at our house: if it can't be ruined, we don't buy it and we can't have anything nice! :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George You BOUGHT a $450 area rug?!!!??? (Oo) You must not be as much of a crazy cat lady as some of the rest of us. We don't even have cheap $6 bath mats on the floor. I have one, but I keep it thrown up over the shower bar, and only use it during showers, as soon as I am dry, I pick it up and throw it back up out of "cat pee reach". I forgot to put it up yesterday, and now I have to wash it today, it's in the "cat pee" hamper now. I wouldn't suggest replacing the rug it will just be ruined again.Rugs are areal waste of money if you have cats. I have a "rug" at the door entrance. It's a2 foot long cut section of heavy-dutyrubber backed high traffic carpet runner (the industrial stuff you see at businesses in the aisles). If they pee on it, the pee stays on it, and doesn't soak through to the carpet under it. I take it to the car wash down the road, pour a gallon of undiluted vinegar on it, let it soak for 5 minutes, and then spray it with the high pressure car soap (it's hot), then rinse it with the high pressure rinse. I got it at a reducedprice at the hardware store, because it was a remnant, cost me $12 ($6 a foot). Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~yeah, I used quite a bit, they seem to hit two corners only, regretfully they ruined a $450 area rug by the front door, that will now need to be replaced ;-(( No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.12/46 - Release Date: 7/11/2005
Re: RE: [FivCats] domino -still searching for help
Warning: Much sarcasm to follow... What a fabulous world this would be if we could all be so lucky to place every FeLV/FIV cat in our idea of a perfect home...and she wonders why she hasn't gotten a single response? Did she assume people would be breaking down her door for Domino? Yikes...somebody *please* stop me from sending this woman a *very* unpleasant email...there are so many things wrong with her email not the least of which are her misconceptions about dry food, and that's just to start, don't even get me started on the immuno-compromised and FeLV/FIV...gr...sorry, I'm still reeling after seeing the photos out of AW...I hope someone comes forward for *Domino's* sake...apparently, this woman cares enough to want to place her in that oh-so-abundant *ideal* home, but doesn't care *enough* to keep her...sorry, all...just needed to vent... But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:03 pm Subject: RE: [FivCats] domino -still searching for help Hi, I am cross posting for her, please respond to her directly off lineif you can help Domino- Thank you. Hideyo _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On BehalfOf Terri Weiss Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FivCats] domino -still searching for help Hello: I posyed this message last month but I haven't received a singleresponse. I would greatly appreciate a response. Thanks - Terri (The June e-mail is pasted below) I just posted this message on the other fiv-cat yahoo site, so I'm re-posting it here to increase Domino's chances for a safe and happy placement: I have MS and now Domino has had 2 Western blots (the 2d was just done at Cornell),both with FIV+ results. Domino has been a strictly indoor cat, has a dog companion (our Golden), my kids and us. She only eats Nutro dry food, which is probably why her teeth and gums are in such good shape. I have read with interest various postings re: what dangers are posed to people with Lupus, HIV+ etc., when they have FIV+ cats. The bottom lineis that for those of us who are immune-compromised, there are no definitive answers about our risks with FIV+ cats. Clearly there is a risk of spreading bacteria between people and cats; cat scratch diseaseis also transmitted to humans. Unless you are immune compromsed, no one really can tell the those of us who are, whether it's worth the risk to keep an FIV+ cat around or not, or whether there's a risk at all. It's a complete gamble. I previously posted on the FIVCAT board that I am not willing to take the gamble, not with my health. Too many doctors have been wrong about my disease, its progression, the drugs I've taken for MS their side effects. I can't take the word of fellow kitty-lovers about FIV+ if my own human docs, the two vets I've seen the Cornell Feline Health Clinic have question marks about this. So yes, I have decided that I needed to place Domino elsewhere for both our sakes. I contacted the rescue group where we got Domino. They connected me to a lady nearby, in Westchester County, NY where I live. She has 17 FIV+ cats. Eight are upstairs with a dominant female, 9 are downstairs in runs or cages because they either spray or are too timid to use their litter boxes (at least acc to the lady). She feeds them all a little wet food to keep them hydrated (what happened to water?), which we all know increases tarter and plaque, as well as dry food. She has told me that many of her cats have had their teeth pulled, and that some are completely toothless. She also told me that she has litter boxes all over the house, that some cats sleep on her bed, on pillows or elsewhere, and that she keeps mountains of amoxicillin around. She also has two small dogs plus a German Shepherd. She became angry when I asked if I could inspect the premises, telling me that I was being insulting to her, and she said that the only thing I could see or do at her house (which I can't, since her house isn't accessible) would be to put Domino in what she described as a large dog-sized cage in the kitchen to say goodbye. Then Domino would remain in the cage for a full month while the other cats got used to her and vice versa. Apart from my discompfort with all the above, it seems only logical to me that with so many FIV+ cats
Re: St. Francis Medals--for ALL!
Absolutely, Erika! I'd love to send one for each cat! This list is so wonderfully modest... :) I need to let everyone know that these medals aren't *just* for people! :) If you've got cats or dogs with collars, they'd fit right on there! I've even put one on each of the urns that hold the ashes of our cats who have passed on...Seriously, I got these medals for pennies on the dollar...they're not huge or ornate or anything...they're simple and lightweight...perfect for collars or to put on chains for people! :) The next batch will actually be compliments of my Dad's church as he says, The people on this list are what St. Francis (and my church) is all about! So, everyone, please, please, please let me know if you'd like more than just a few!! They're quite adorable on collars, as well! :) Also, I haven't heard from Jenn who has been coordinating part of the rescue effort at Angel Wings...does anyone have any info? Thanks! And I'm working on transcribing the prayer...I may have to give my Dad a call as I've run into a problem reading his handwriting... :) He could have been a physician... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005 0:37 am Subject: Re: FeLV list- St. Francis Medals Hi Jen, I would love to get a couple of the St. Francis medals, if you are sure it is ok! We have 3 kitties- one FeLV/FIV and 2 more that have to be retested. I can send you a stamped envelope, just let me know. Thank you for being so sweet to offer them! Erika You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try. ~Beverly Sills
Re: St. Francis Medals--for ALL!
You bet!! :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005 10:33 am Subject: Re: St. Francis Medals--for ALL! Jen, This makes me think of a couple of things, could I have 2 more medals? total of 4? I want one for Ninja's urn and one for Lucky's grave for my mom too. Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely, Erika! I'd love to send one for each cat! This list is so wonderfully modest... :) I need to let everyone know that these medals aren't *just* for people! :) If you've got cats or dogs with collars, they'd fit right on there! I've even put one on eachof the urns that hold the ashes of our cats who have passed on...Seriously, I got these medals for pennies on the dollar...they're not huge or ornate or anything...they're simple and lightweight...perfect for collars or to put on chains for people! :) The next batch will actually be compliments of my Dad's church as he says, The people on this list are what St. Francis (and my church) is all about! So, everyone, please, please, please let me know if you'd like more thanjust a few!! They're quite adorable on collars, as well! :) Also, I haven't heard from Jenn who has been coordinating part of the rescue effort at Angel Wings...does anyone have any info? Thanks! And I'm working on transcribing the prayer...I may have to give my Dad a call as I've run into a problem reading his handwriting... :) He could have been a physician... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005 0:37 am Subject: Re: FeLV list- St. Francis Medals Hi Jen, I would love to get a couple of the St. Francis medals, if you are sure it is ok! We have 3 kitties- one FeLV/FIV and 2 more that have to be retested. I can send you a stamped envelope, just let me know. Thank you for being so sweet to offer them! Erika You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try. ~Beverly Sills Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items.
Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Oh, Kerry...I am so sorry...please know that you and Flavia are in my thoughts. I bet there's a shiney new angel at the bridge telling the other fur-angels all about her wonderful Mum here on Earth! Keep your heart open 'cause I bet Flavia will be sending you a sign that she's okay...although my signs usually manifest themselves in a pair of sad little eyes that suddenly show up on my doorstep... ;) My little angels must have joined some kind of Cat Consulting Club as I always get a sense that *somebody* has whispered into the ear of our newcomers just which doorstep they need to show up on! :) Take care of yourself, Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005 12:35 pm Subject: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda Dear all My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone. It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (she had seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemed to be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrived in December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has also been urinating a little over the past few days out of the box-- again, a first. I thought it was probably Flavia. So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to the vet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory rate had increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10, from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday. I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last night (she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air to catch the bug--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get a chance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, and just had to set a schedule.) I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was really lovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was a wonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--do tell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated my relationship with Higgins after all... I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still here and able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting for breath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one here apart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (I did not want to hospitalize her.) I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit of a mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed more tears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine, elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a feather for a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, of course, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the past few days. Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'll be in touch again the weekend of the 23rd. Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune- compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immune system and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. There is much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature of Animal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of the same virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible
OT: St. Francis Medals!
Hi All! Hope ya'll had a wonderful 4th of July weekend! I haven't been able to keep up with my Inbox for the past few weeks...but I want to send my best to all of our beautiful fur-babies... My Dad was down this past weekend! He just couldn't say enough wonderful things about the amazing group of people on this list... :) He kept telling me, If you need any more medals, just let me know and I'll send them to you! I've got plenty of medals here, and I know a few of you guys expressed an interest in wishing to give medals to friends/family/other rescuers (which, of course, is so NOT a problem!)...so the invitation goes out to everyone...if you'd like more than one medal, just let me know! I've got a file with everyone's addresses, so I'll get them out this week! I'll also include the prayer that my Dad used to bless the medals...it's really sweet because he mostly thought it up himself especially for this group...then, of course, he told me, Now, if you need anymore medals, please let me know! :) Take care, All! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George
Re: OT: St. Francis Medals! And the AW rescuers...
Absolutely! I've been catching up with my posts and just saw the photos of the FeLV cats that came out of that shelter...I can't even put into words how I feel right now...angry/sad/helpless just doesn't even start to cut it...but I had thought of sending medals as well, and I feel so dumb for hesitating to offer for fear that someone might be offended by what could be perceived as a religious symbol...you guys have reminded me over and over again that St. Francis trancends faith! :) Thanks, Kat, for speaking up and reminding me, again, what an awesome group of people this is! I would love to send on as many medals as the Rescuers would need...I just need an address and an approximate number of medals that would be needed...I would also like to make note on the prayer that the medals are a gift from our entire group, if that's okay with you guys! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2005 2:29 pm Subject: Re: OT: St. Francis Medals! And the AW rescuers... Hi Jen, Would it be possible to send some of the medals down to the Angel Wings Rescuers who have been working so tirelessly for the unfortunate animals that got caught up in all of this?? I know it's not much to give them in return for what they've been doing, but I think it would be marvelous if it could be done. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:35:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: St. Francis Medals! Hi All! Hope ya'll had a wonderful 4th of July weekend! I haven't been able to keep up with my Inbox for the past few weeks...but I want to send my best to all of our beautiful fur-babies... My Dad was down this past weekend! He just couldn't say enough wonderful things about the amazing group of people on this list... :) He kept telling me, If you need any more medals, just let me know and I'll send them to you! I've got plenty of medals here, and I know a few of you guys expressed an interest in wishing to give medals to friends/family/other rescuers (which, of course, is so NOT a problem!)...so the invitation goes out to everyone...if you'd like more than one medal, just let me know! I've got a file with everyone's addresses, so I'll get them out this week! I'll also include the prayer that my Dad used to bless the medals...it's really sweet because he mostly thought it up himself especially for this group...then, of course, he told me, Now, if you need anymore medals, please let me know! :) Take care, All! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George
Re: FeLV and pregnancy
Hi Erika! I can't stress enough that FeLV is *not* transmissable to humans (pregnant or not)!! I believe what the Cornell site is trying to do is to inform pregnant women of the *rare* threat of toxoplasmosis (a parasite that *can* be transmitted to humans unlike FeLV which is species specific)...and because FeLV cats are immuno-suppressed, they could be more suceptible to toxoplasmosis...but, again, we've got to use common sense here...toxoplasmosis is mainly transmitted by contaminated meat...and contaminated meat is generally found outdoors...as long as Tom remains indoors, his chances of picking up toxoplasmosis are essentially nil! And I will also take this opportunity, again, to point out the toxoplasmosis is a fairly uncommon disease! Unfortunately, the Cornell website is inadvertantly suggesting that FeLV is a threat to a fetus by telling pregnant women to avoid cats with FeLV...this is *not* the case! Toxoplasmosis is the only parasite (or disease, aside from rabies), that I know of, that can be transmitted to humans. It is highly unlikely that Tom even carries this parasite, but common sense measures should be taken when handling the litter box (the parasite is shed in the feces of infected cats)...always wash your hands after cleaning the box (wear gloves for even more protection!)...or, better yet, have another member of the household clean the box while you're pregnant! Personally, I would welcome 9 litterbox-free months! :) Hope this helps clarify! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:40 am Subject: FeLV and pregnancy Does anyone know about having an FeLV cat while I am pregnant? Our vet and my OB said it is ok, but my mother is still worried. I am under the impression from all the info I have read that it is not transmissable to humans, but the Cornell site said to avoid FeLV cats if you are pregnant. Any other research out there? Help! I am not getting rid of my Tom Also, Lots of good thought for finding Smokey I am sure you will. ^..^ Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Re: FeLV and pregnancy
Absolutely! I just figured those were a given... ;) But you are absolutely right! :) Always wash those hands after handling a litter box or even after doing a little gardening in your yard where outdoor cats are likely to do their business! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:40 pm Subject: Re: FeLV and pregnancy Actually, all of the GI bugs can be transmitted to humans - giardia, coccidia etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Erika! I can't stress enough that FeLV is *not* transmissable to humans (pregnant or not)!! I believe what the Cornell site is trying to do is to inform pregnant women of the *rare* threat of toxoplasmosis (a parasite that *can* be transmitted to humans unlike FeLV which is species specific)...and because FeLV cats are immuno-suppressed, they could be more suceptible to toxoplasmosis...but, again, we've got to use common sense here...toxoplasmosis is mainly transmitted by contaminated meat...and contaminated meat is generally found outdoors...as long as Tom remains indoors, his chances of picking up toxoplasmosis are essentially nil! And I will also take this opportunity, again, to point out the toxoplasmosis is a fairly uncommon disease! Unfortunately, the Cornell website is inadvertantly suggesting that FeLVis a threat to a fetus by telling pregnant women to avoid cats withFeLV...this is *not* the case! Toxoplasmosis is the only parasite (or disease, aside from rabies), that I know of, that can be transmitted to humans. It is highly unlikely that Tom even carries this parasite, but common sense measures should be taken when handling the litter box (theparasite is shed in the feces of infected cats)...always wash your hands after cleaning the box (wear gloves for even more protection!)...or, better yet, have another member of the household clean the box while you're pregnant! Personally, I would welcome 9 litterbox-free months! :) Hope this helps clarify! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:40 am Subject: FeLV and pregnancy Does anyone know about having an FeLV cat while I am pregnant? Our vet and my OB said it is ok, but my mother is still worried. I am under the impression from all the info I have read that it is not transmissable to humans, but the Cornell site said to avoid FeLV cats if you are pregnant. Any other research out there? Help! I am not getting rid of my Tom Also, Lots of good thought for finding Smokey I am sure you will. ^..^ Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
Hi All! I just had a wonderful conversation with a woman who got my name from my (cat) oncologist in downtown Houston (I haven't been there in over a year, but apparently they remembered that I took care of a few cats with FeLV!)...the woman I spoke with, Carol, just took in a sweet little white and grey baby boy who has tested positive for FeLV...Carol is devastated but would have been willing to give him a good home if she didn't have a few dogs who don't get along very well with cats... :( Right now, Teddy (the little cat), is being fostered by a friend of hers, but he is scheduled to be transported to a sanctuary in Micigan called Cat Tail Farms. So my first question is: does anyone know anything about or have any personal experience with this rescue? Carol is so attached to this little guy, and it kills me that I can't take him in...naturally, she'd like to see him go to a good home rather than a sanctuary...but she wants to be sure that he goes to a home where he will be well taken care of! :) Teddy sounds like an absolute little baby doll...he's no more that a few years old and was apparently abandoned. It sounds like he had a rough start...the neighborhood cats were beating him up regularly (which is probably how he came into contact with the virus in the first place) and he was just skin and bones! Carol took him in and got him neutered and treated for an abcess in his neck...he's been de-fleaed, de-wormed and is living like a little king with a soft, warm bed, good food and all of the toys he can play with until his trip to MI in June. He's all white except for a grey spot on his head and grey/tabby tail with beautiful yellow eyes. This guy is really something special...not only did he find a kind and caring person in Carol, but he's really impressed the vets with his sweet demeanor and good health! If anyone can help or has any info on the sanctuary, please let me know! For her own piece of mind, Carol needs to know that he is in good hands...and I can't think of a more caring or knowledgable group of people than you guys!! Thanks! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George
Re: RE: Here's a nice story for you-my Grandma's crows
- Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:25 pm Subject: RE: Here's a nice story for you-my Grandma's crows I had no idea crows were so sharp Oh, sure! They aren't considered a nuisance to some people for nothin'! They're clever little guys! ;) When I first met Bozo, he sized me up for quite some time...he'd just stand on the ground about 2 or 3 feet in front of me and literally look me up and down with those wonderfully intelligent eyes! It wasn't until some time during my second visit that he decided I was okay...I was able to feed him, scratch his head and even walk around with him on my arm...I can vividly remember every detail of him down to his shiney, black, scaly legs! :) My Grandma loved to tease him...she'd roll him over on his back and tickle his stomach and he'd flap his wings and wave his feet around...he'd get miffed because his feathers were ruffled so my Grandma would then have to fill up the bird-bath (which was obviously intended for birds much, much smaller than Bozo, but he didn't care) so he could bathe as only crows can (let's just say there wasn't much water left in the bath once he was finished)! He was a cool guy! :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George
Re: stitch
I am so sorry to hear about Stitch! My apologies if I'm butting in late in the conversation...unfortunately, I haven't been able to respond to many posts... :( But I just wanted to let you know that you guys are in my thoughts...not being able to breath is a scary way to go (I've witnessed one of my guys go, naturally, essentially as the result of suffocation due to anemia and I've opted to assist others because I just couldn't bear watching them get to that point). Bless your heart for caring so deeply for Stitch...please know that I will be thinking of you guys and sending out positive vibes for a peaceful passing, until you guys meet again... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:35 pm Subject: Re: stitch unfortunately stitch did not respond to the CCNU. it has been a little over 27 hours and he continues to worsen. the vet attempted to remove the fluid from his lungs again to help him breath...unfortunately for us the mass is solid and he has no fluid to remove. his breathing is so bad he has to mouth breath to get any air...i was think of bringing him back home for one more night for my own selfish reasons. after rethinking this i most likely will not. he has been in a nasty fight for a very long time...and now its time for him to rest. We did everything we could and and still lymphoma wins another battle. maybe someday people and animals alike will benefit from new technology and treatments.
Re: Ginger--pain killers?
Sorry, I'm so behind on posts...so this topic may have already been discussed...but what kind of pain killers is Ginger on? My Pips had a similar tooth extraction and the vet gave me an injectable pain killer (I think that I only gave it to him once a day, right between the shoulder blades) that went to work immediately (and very effectively by the look on his face!)...and it did wonders for his appetite...I imagine Ginger's mouth is extremely sore and probably now associates a plate of food with a large amount of pain...I know you want to limit the number of drugs Ginger is receiving, but a stronger pain killer may dull the pain enough to encourage eating! Just a thought...you guys are certainly in my thoughts! Jen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:20 pm Subject: Re: Ginger I did give her the sulphur, which I have in the house, in the manner that you suggested. I do agree on some level about not giving many drugs, which is why I did not give her the pain killer this morning. The reason I am thinking about the I-R is that the article on the felineleukemia.org website actually says that it gets positve cats who have stopped eating to eat again in 50% of the cases at the author vet's clinic. I don't know if he is telling the truth or not, but if it could get her to eat that would be wonderful. It is not supposed to have side effects. Well, actually I think I read somewhere that it could, but the vet who wrote the article said he has treated 700 cats with it and has never seen any side effects, and people on this list have used it and have never seen any side effects. So I thought maybe this one thing is worth trying. Do you think that is a bad idea? I am still open to not doing it. I am hoping the dox will make her URI better in a day or two and then I will stop the antibiotics. The only other med she is on besides the dox is pepcid to try to counteract any nausea the dox might cause. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/05 1:48:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with Nina - any additional drugs you may give her right now might be a burden and too much to handle for her right now - I feel that she needs a break from all that - at least until she starts eating again. Michelle, please don't give up, Ginger is going to get better,you have to believe that, and she needs you to believe in her. I was so scared of losing Leo, and the only people who did not give up a hope is my and my holistic vet. My holistic vets told me to avoid supplements and drugs in a situationlike this - that's why I suggested homeopathic remedy - it makes their body to heal and deal with whatever they are dealing with no side effect- you just have to find the right one that works for the specificproblem you are dealing with. Michelle, I lost my Henry boy after giving baytrill antibiotics - whichalmost never happens to anyone - but Henry's body was compromisedalready and couldn't deal with drugs and it ended up killing him.
Re: RE: URGENT on Michael's behalf
Hi Mike-- I've only caught bits and pieces of this thread...but judging by the symptoms that you've listed, it sounds like your little guy has lymphoma (FeLV+ cats are notoriously prone to cancer)...and seeing that it's in his chest, you'll need to act quickly (fluid can quickly build up in his chest cavity). Essentially, what you can do at this point to buy him a little more time is start him on chemotherapy (lymphomas usually respond very well to chemo) and prednisone (a steroid that will help shrink the tumor). Michelle is our resident expert on lymphoma (her cat, Simon, rebounded fantastically with aggressive treatment)! Please, do get him started as soon as you can!! If all goes well, you may want to start him on coenzyme Q10 (30 mg per day)...it does wonders for the heart!! You guys are in my thoughts...please keep us posted! Jen
Re: Loki is at rest
Oh, Steve...I am so sorry...it's a good thing I work alone, because I'm absolutely crying my eyeballs out right now... :( It's wonderful people like you that make this world a more bearable place to be. I know Loki hasn't gone far and that you two will see each other again someday...oh, I'm crying again...just know that he's not alone, his sister as well as all of our furbabies who have gone before are with him sharing embarassing stories about their non-furparents! Take care, you and Loki are in my thoughts, Jen - Original Message - From: Steve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:52 pm Subject: Loki is at rest My last little love is gone. I had to put him to sleep late yesterday. For the past two weeks, my every waking moment and thought has been for and about Loki. I did put him on Prednisone a week ago and it initial seemed to help, but very quickly it was as before. I then called the vet and we doubled his dosage. Once again, it initially seemed to help-- though he seemed drugged this time--then quickly faded to his former uncomfortablestate. At no time, did the Pred noticeably shrink the large tumor impeding his little lungs. I had been letting him outside to wander in the tall spring grass (weeds)all around the house. He loved it and it was a great distraction and wonderful sensory stimulation for him. If Loki did not have these wonderfuldays, I may have PTS sooner, as the nights were uncomfortable for him--he could no longer lay on his side and his lungs were pumping hard all the time. Yesterday, too many changes took place: He was not enjoying the out-of-doors like he had been, I did not see him drink water or eat his dry food, he didn't want to bend down to eat his chicken baby food treat (had to hold it up for him), and for the first time, he had a slightly open mouth. At most other times during the day, he was lying or sitting with labored breathingand looking very tired. I felt it was the right time to stop subjecting Loki's system to new measures, so I made the agonizing decision. My 10 month, 10 day old Loki went peacefully and quickly and is now buried next to his sister under their oak tree. My beautiful brown/dark gray tiger kitty had a special personality, quite different, but just as wonderful as his orange tabby sister Leeloo. Both were chosen from the litter my sister and nieces were raising because their stars seemed to burn very bright. These kittens--the smallest of the litter--had unusually beautiful little souls. Loki also had a smell, as his sister did; not the perfume my girl kitty Leeloo had, but the smoky earthy scent of a boy kitty. Perhaps like air smells during the first rain on dry soil. One could say his scent tended a tiny bit toward chocolate and even cinnamon, like one lister noticed of her boy kitty. I will miss him jumping up to lay at the back of my neck and bending around to rub his face against mine, purring all the while; coming to lay on his pillow at the side of my computer to be near me; and turning over to rub his back on the floor and to get his belly rubbed. I will be morning his loss for a long time... I can't see a time when I will stop. I know my pain will ease eventually and I know there will soon be a time that I will no longer be exhausted from crying. I loved my little Loki like there was no tomorrow. Steve
Re: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!
Wow! That brings back memories! I had completely forgotten about the dog that lived adjacent to our back yard when I was a kid! He was a big yellow dog (probably a lab mix) named Gilda, or something like that...we were always warned to stay clear of him, and, for the most part, his owner's kept him chained up in the yard...but one day, he was running loose through the yards that were joined in the back (nobody had fencing)...I was in the backyard (I was probably 6 or 7 at the time) and I remember he started approaching me (and had the sense that he wasn't looking for a good scritch)...I was scared out of my wits and picked up a stick that was lying on the ground...not the wisest decision on my part, but I wasn't about to turn and run (last thing I wanted to do was take my eyes off of him)! So there we were, dog and kid not willing to concede...THANK GOD my dad saw me and came running out!! Ever since then, I've always been a little leary of yellow labs...wow, I can't bel ieve I forgot all about that incident! :) Okay, I'll get off this subject now...thanks, everyone, for putting up with my rantings! :) - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating Hi Kyle, I wasn't offended, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I feel bad for anyone that gets attacked by a dog pitbull or other. When I was 5 years old walking home from school I had to walk by this house that had a dalmation in the yard. The yard was fenced and the other kids would tease this dog mercilessly when they walked by. Most of the time he was chained also. But one day as I was walking by he got up and jumped the fence, bit me in the lip and jumped back over and laid down next to his dog house. I never teased this dog, but I did say hi to him on some occasions, he had just finally had enough and was not chained and I unfortunetly happened to be the kid walking by. I don't blame the dog or the owners in this case, he was in his yard behind a fence, I blame the kids whose parents didn't teach them to respect animals, who teased this dog everyday. I had to get 6 rabie shots and the dog was quaranteed until he was cleared. To this day I love dogs but have a bit of a fear of dalmatians (the type of dog this was), it isn't something I can control and I would never wish harm on one, but I do get a slight panicky feeling if I see one running loose. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: OT: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]
Oh, yeah...it's a shame that the bully breeds are taking the rap for very, very bad owners! We have two dogs, Lucy (a pit bull mix) and Oscar (a lab/retriever mix), both rescues...the funny thing is, they don't come any sweeter than Lucy...I trust her completely (even around the neighbor's toddler who absolutely adores her). But most folks take one look at her and assume that she is vicious simply by her appearance. BUT OSCAR, the cute and cuddly one, the one with the adorable ears...HE'S the one we have to keep an eye on because he doesn't want to be touched by anyone he doesn't know (who does?)...when people ask if they can pet our dogs, it's always interesting to see their reactions when I say, Yes, you can pet Lucy (the vicious looking one) but not the cute and cuddly one, he could bite if he feels cornered! Our neighbors catty-corner to us also have a true pit bull...I tell ya what, she it the most well-behaved dog I've ever met! She's got a quiet confidence about her that I wish she could teach to Oscar! :) I just don't think breed-based legislation is the way to go...personally, I believe that there are no bad dogs, just very bad owners! - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:07 am Subject: OT: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary] *This is an interesting test that I failed miserably, it's scary to think how dogs are wrongly classified as this breed and are wrongly persecuted. - Take the test and see if you can pick out the pit bull out of this page of pictures. It's amazing how many other breeds look similar.* *http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html* -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Loki Update
Oh, Steve...I am so, so sorry (insert as many expletives as you can think of here to describe how you feel about this virus...I know I am...)...I remember when you first joined this list, your 3 babies couldn't have found a better home...You will know when it's time, and I'm sure Loki's siblings (Leeloo and, I can't think of the other one...but I do remember thinking that they all have fabulous names!) will be waiting to greet him! There is a technical term for the pupil dilation-thing, but I can't think of it at the moment...one of my guys, Ewok, has had it off and on for a few years now, but is healthy in all other respects (knock-on-wood)...One of our other guys, Marvin, has a pupil that is completely blown, whereas Ewok's will look normal from time-to-time, Marvin's pupil will always be completely dilated. Anyhoo, You and Loki are in my thoughts...take care of yourselves...this virus really, really sucks... Jen - Original Message - From: Steve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:28 pm Subject: Loki Update First off, in addition to the other nice notes, thank you Jen, Hideyo and Terri for your prayers and healing vibes... and I am so glad Thor is coming around. I did take Loki in to the vet. It was difficult to get a spot, but eventually found a vet very near my house so as not to upset Loki with a long ride. The initial prognosis did not look good, so I had x- rays taken. The x-rays showed that Loki's lungs were only expanding to half their normal size which means something else was taking space within the cavity. In addition, the Trachea was pushed up to the spine, which suggests the cavity did not just have excessive fluid, but that a tumor was taking the space. I was given lots of options, but I can't do most of them or put Loki throughhell. In the end, I asked for, and will probably take the doctors opinion, which is to make him comfortable and take the weekend to say my goodbyes.He is living with the pronounced lung action just okay, but I know it is hard to be perfectly comfortable for him with the distressed breathing. I don't think he has pain per se, but letting him go on too many more days like this, I think gets to the point of becoming painful. I hadn't mentioned it before, but Loki's left eye sometimes dilates much more than the right. This is a sign of a viral infection, FeLV+ or otherwise. Once again, not a good sign, especially with everything else. The doctor gave me some meds to try to alleviate things, for the short term. I'm giving him Furosimide, a diuretic to help with the excessive fluids (I will not subject him to the trauma of extracting the excessive fluid with a needle), and antibiotics to help with a slight, but lingering URI. All this should help his breathing a tiny bit. When it gets worse, or I feel the happy days with him no longer offsets the lingering lack of comfort, I will PTS. This has been a long hard road. I tried, but it was difficult to maintaincomposure at the vets office. I know I will crash hard after Loki goes. I just can't stand what this disease does. Steve
