Re: [Felvtalk] Collars
Hi Lorrie, I've looked around and on ebay too, but I can't seem to find many bulk deals for cat collars. The most I've seen was for 6 and they weren't break aways. Where do you usually get them from? If you don't mind... From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:09:39 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars On 05-24, paola cresti wrote: snipped.. If they were indoor only I wouldn't worry with collars, but since they go out, I don't want them trapped/nabbed or harmed by evil people, so they know that someone WILL be looking for them. It's scary to see them in trouble that time that they got themselves stuck with the collar, but in my experience they do learn pretty fast, and there are so many strays/ferals around that I want people to know this cat is looked after!! My cats have gotten their paws thru the collar at times, but now they've learned to get rid of the collars without getting caught. This is why I buy collars ID tags by the dozen. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Collars
I believe I read about it that the cancer cases were still few and far apart. That being said monitor your cat, espceially the area where the chip was introduced. I have one that can't climb my patio fence so she's inside only (goes outside when I'm there, runs back in when I jiggle the doorhadle - smart little critter) so she's chipped but collarless. The others are in and out and though chipped I don't want to go through the time when they're missing and then I have to look for them, so they have a collar with no tag (the tags can get stuck, and if someone does pick them up they have the chip) that tells the neighbours I'm taken care of!! But one cat in particular, in the beginning I've come home to find that he slipped his paw in the collar (and is now temporarily thre-legged) another time he got it stuck in his mouth or just that he's managed to get himself rid of it. But they learn, he hasn't gotten his paw stuck in it again. He gets rid of them, but not stuck anymore. This one cat's a pickle though, he's gotten himself stuf on rneighbour's rooftops twice before (I had to get ladder and chase him because then he didn't want to be caught) This was all the first couple of years I had him, he hasn't gotten himself stuck on a roof in the last 4 years, and he loses collars without getting stuck anymore. If they were indoor only I wouldn't worry with collars, but since they go out, I don't want them trapped/nabbed or harmed by evil people, so they know that someone WILL be looking for them. It's scary to see them in trouble that time that they got themselves stuck with the collar, but in my experience they do learn pretty fast, and there are so many strays/ferals around that I want people to know this cat is looked after!! (the ferals are too, but I can't touch those) From: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 12:47:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars Thanks Natalie. Knowledge is definitely power. But I think I would rather keep the chip. You can treat cancer, but you can't treat euthanasia at a kill shelter... :-/ Has anyone heard about tattooing cats? I know AKC dogs sometimes get tattoos, but I have never heard of it in cats. I want my animal to have some form of permanent identification on them in case they get lost. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, there is substantiation - my vet had a few cases; one dog's chip migrated and aggravated a nerve, couldn't walk until the vet discovered the chip I have the info somewhere; will send to you directly because it may be too big to be accepted by group address. Do they? Is there documentation on this? I mean, what doesn't cause cancer these days? On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: But were you aware that microchips can cause cancer? I got a cat from death row in NYC, and will have chip removed...it has already migrated! Shelters and vets around me have gotten much better about scanning stray animals that come through. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I JUST wrote about that, too! I thought I was the only one that this happened to - nobody's ever mentioned it before! Natalie On 05-23, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Reminds me of the time I got Stormy a red collar with shiny rhinestones. Oh, it looked so pretty on her grey fur! But every day when I came home from work, the collar, still fastened, was sitting right on the front step. Cat's way of saying, I don't even think so. Sigh. ~Bonnie .org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Miss Clara
So sorry to hear about your Miss Clara. I had to do the same to my boy just 2 days before her. We tried Interferon, or what they described to me as a new version of it, but it didn't help really... I think he already had the tumor when he walked into my house last July so I really feel close to your experience, though I feel I had my Scrappy for less time than you had your Miss Clara. I hope you can get relief from losing her soon, she is not suffering anymore and am sure grateful for all the love you gave her while she was with you. Paola From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 4:57:29 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP Miss Clara Alice, I was saddened to read that Miss Clara has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. We love them, care for them and in the end let them go. In time your memories of the good times with Miss Clara will help you cope with the grief. But it does take time. You are in our thoughts and prayers Sharyl From: a h alicehans...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 8:17:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rosie's biopsy results-BAD Alice, I wish you and your kitty well. My Miss Clara never took the interferon. She was diagnosed last July with lymphoma. I had to let her go yesterday. The disease finally beat her. I don't know how I will EVER be able to go forward without her. Sincerely, Alice Hanson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today
My little Scrappy boy was coming to the end of his fight, I only had him for 8 months when he walked into my home and was already in bad condition, hence the Scrappy name, I didn't think he was going to live 1 month. at that time. Though I should have named him Angel for all the love he gave me, he'd started responding to Scrappy so I kept calling him that. I've had plenty of cats in my lifetime, not often do they care for face to face contact with people, but he'd look straight into my eyes lean forward and rub his cheek on mine, even placing his paws on my chest to stabilize himself when reaching for me (sometimes I wouldn't realize right away what he was doing). The vet said he was 8 years old, so he must have contracted FeLV as an adult. He'd stopped eating, had labored breathing and had taken to hiding. His sunken eyes lost any indication of light and so we stopped any more injections or treatments and I had to have him laid to rest today. Thank you for reading, and for all the information and support I got from this mail-list Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie
So sorry to hear that Alice, so sorry you're going through this so soon after Murphy. From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 8:07:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie We thought she was the survivor-She is the last of the litter of 5 kittens we caught in Oct 2008. Her 4 brothers passed in 2009, a month apart. She made it to 2 years, now 2 1/2tonight I felt a lump on the left side of her neck. I am hoping our vet is open tomorrow. She is not showing any pain-I checked her neck and throat because she gagged a little tonight, but nothing came up. She had tonsillitis in January and was on Zithromax-she came out of that just fine. I am dreading this-we just lost Murphy in October from Lymphoma. Rosie was so lonely when he passed-she became depressed-slept all of the time, we were so worried-she checked out fine, we had her blood work done-all ok. We ended up adopting 2 negative kitties-a male that was 6-7 months old and a female that is 9-10 months old. The rescue vaccinated each one twice for FeLV and kept them an extra month-their vet thought they would be fine since they were pretty mature and were already negative. She has been running and playing again and we thought all was well in the world. I hope this lump isn't Lymphoma. Alice...owned by Rosie, Sachi and Miso!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie
That particular kitty passed away about 8 years ago, but it's great to know about, thanks Natalie! From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 8:53:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie My vet has been using it for quite a few years...a blood test results determine whether to us Calcitriol, however, not many vets are using it. I would print up some of the veterinary infos and ask the vet. Our cats were always using a very small amount, 0.25mL. It's not cheap and it has to be formulated specifically for cats and dogs. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie Oh my cat didn't have Calcitiol, I saw several vets and none ever brought it up, I wonder how recent it is, if my cat didn't qualify for it, or if it wasn't in use yet. Yes my cat was getting a lot of fluids, drinking and subQ, and her pee sometimes didn't smell. Just wanted to put it out there so people kept in mind that sometimes it can be pee even if it doesn't smell so as not to just disregard it immediately... From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 6:12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie I have dealt with many, many renal failure cats - some urine may be quite diluted if cat gets fluids daily; however, those that don't and don't drink enough water, the urine can be quite concentrated. I've also had an older cat that didn't get sub-q fluids, and he always peed under himself in his sleep. Every cat and every case is different, even if they all receive the same treatment. But since most of the renal failure cats get Calcitriol, their lives have been dramatically changed for the better and longer, without many typical and expected side effects. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:28 AM To: leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as there'd be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean the body of toxins so it doesn't smell. I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty that lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps. From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.
Alice, so sorry to hear his journey came to an end, but what a journey it was! He found a good home with you and thanks to you he had the best life he could possibly have given what was handed to him. He surely knew that from how he showed you his love. Will miss your updates (the improvement ones) and thank you for your constant retelling of his expriences, they have been a wealth of information for us beginners with this terrible disease. Paola From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 11:54:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone. Murphy has passed to the bridge tonight to join Buster, Oni, Jack and Schatzi-Rosie's 4 brothers that passed last year. He was 2 1/2. Glenn and I saw in his eyes tonight that he was tired. He gave it all he had but in the end FeLV took him too.We will miss him so much-he filled the house with his incredible personality. He always ran to the door to greet everyone-he never knew a stranger. I will miss his big, poly-dactyl feet going clickity-click around the house and how he could leap up the wall and turn the light switch off and on when he chased the laser toy. Rosie will miss giving him vampire kisses-she's a tough love kinda girl and she is the last Mohican of the 6 FeLV+ kitties we began this journey with. Thanks to all of you for your kindness and caring. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie
Oh my cat didn't have Calcitiol, I saw several vets and none ever brought it up, I wonder how recent it is, if my cat didn't qualify for it, or if it wasn't in use yet. Yes my cat was getting a lot of fluids, drinking and subQ, and her pee sometimes didn't smell. Just wanted to put it out there so people kept in mind that sometimes it can be pee even if it doesn't smell so as not to just disregard it immediately... From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 6:12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie I have dealt with many, many renal failure cats - some urine may be quite diluted if cat gets fluids daily; however, those that don't and don't drink enough water, the urine can be quite concentrated. I've also had an older cat that didn't get sub-q fluids, and he always peed under himself in his sleep. Every cat and every case is different, even if they all receive the same treatment. But since most of the renal failure cats get Calcitriol, their lives have been dramatically changed for the better and longer, without many typical and expected side effects. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:28 AM To: leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as there'd be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean the body of toxins so it doesn't smell. I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty that lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps. From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie P-SPOT SOLVED
glad to hear that, certainly is better, incontinent cat would be no fun. I didn't think Lucky could have renal failure, so many people read these and since I've gotten so much good info out of others' stories I wanted to keep it out there that here is an occurrence when pee doesn't smell. Go Lucky! Paola From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 8:12:28 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie P-SPOT SOLVED Paola Thanks for that information. But I think I've finally solved the mystery of the Pee Spot! Lucky frequently spits up. He'll be fine for days, then have a bout of spitting up almost clear liquid, 3 or 4 times a day. I mentioned to the vet he spits up and the vet seemed unconcerned, saying cats are very susceptible to gastric upset. I now think the spots on the bed were not pee, but spit up. I'm not sure if this is a serious issue; I'll mention it to the vet again. But having him spit up rather than pee is a little easier for me psychologically, at least! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com To: leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as there'd be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean the body of toxins so it doesn't smell. I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty that lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps. From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wordsworth Please add to the CLS :(
So sorry to hear that, Sherry. many sweet thoughts to accompany him. From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 8:57:53 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Wordsworth Please add to the CLS :( We lost this quiet sweet white boy with a crinkled ear thursday,it happened so fast.He would have been with us at Sids a year in January.Rest in peace handsome boy. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like
Saw Murphy (and Rosie) on your page, you can tell his paws are really big and he looks really playful. Poor sweetie, we're all purraying for him to pull through here (6 + 1 cats) From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 7:53:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like Murphy is the most beautiful black / white, sorta fluffy tuxedo boy. He was either a throw away or a lost kitty that was in with the ferals-he was a sweet and friendly boy-we posted his photos in the local newspapers and craigslist for a month, not one response. We then took him to clinic to neuter, vaccinate and find a foster home for him so he could find a family. I didn't want him to come to my home with the 5 FeLV kittens I already had rescued from the ferals and had tamed. The clinic called and said he was positive and was going to be euthanized unless I came right away and picked him up. So we brought him home and said it was Murphy's Law-LOL hence his name. He has the biggest paws with 3 thumbs (7 toes) and goes clickity when he walks around the house. He is the official greeter, like a nosy puppyloves everyone. I was not a cat person, but raising the 6 kitties has me totally a cat nut job! I am smitten with his sweetness and will miss him so much. He has the biggest eyes, maybe part persian, has a fluffy coat, not real long but is soft and he has a spring loaded tail that is always straight up in the air. Even with all the meds and treatments he has had, never held a grudge, he normally comes into the kitchen and waits when it's time. His pic and Rosie's too are on my facebook (along with all my FarmVille therapy!!) if you want to see him, go to my photos and they are under my random photos album. We only have 2 out of the 6 that we began with. Alice Flowers-Clark ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie
Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as there'd be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean the body of toxins so it doesn't smell. I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty that lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps. From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
message got too big and put on hold, trying again: Hi yes, Thank you so much. There's a Sci-Fi book called The door into Summer and the title comes from the main character's having a cat and living in a house with lots of doors to the outside and when the weather's bad the cat has the owner open each door as he looks for the one that opens into summer. I didn't intend to write so much in that email, but once I started it just kind of came pouring out - was sorry to post so much text, thank you for listening to those who read it. Most of the time it works out ok with the cat-door (they're probably spoiled because of it) and luckily I live in Southern California, but when it rains and does get cold I close them in and then the whining starts. I sometimes tease the main complainer and tell him oh you want my attention? so I pick him up and smother him for a while and put him on my lap. Strangely enough after the initial whining and pushing away from me with all his might, it does quiet him for a while (sometimes settles on my lap and sits there for a bit) - he's probably like ugh no more of THAT! ha ha From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:37:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia THIS IS FOR PAOLA I THINK - SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE AT MY HOUSE ITH THE IN AND OUT, INSIDE ALWAYS AND THE COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. FUN ISN'T IT. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Thank you - will look next time we go. We get the litter at WalMart and sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it. I will Google it tomorrow. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts. I can't say enough good about it. I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning. It is safe and fairly inexpensive. Google it ... the number of uses and products it can replace is amazing. On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote: I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been hyped...doesn't work so well. I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals. I've tried spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot longer. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie ---rg/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
so, so sorry to hear that, have been catching up on emails and was so happy to read about his improvement a few weeks ago. I realize baby food is usually enough incentive for cats to eat, but a kidney failure cat, with gastritis, I had some time ago still wouldn't eat it when she was having an episode and I'd add a pinch of salt to it to enhance it and she'd eat it (also warmed with some hot water)... don't know if it can help, poor guy sounds like he's gone through everything. Paola From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 9:56:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking Sending love and light to you and Murphy that this all resolves and he is feeling better soon. Take care of yourselves, too folks. Peace. - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
late reply but I hadn't been reading my emails for a while and am jsut catching up now. thanks for this tip too, much appreciated. From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:22:23 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Melinda, I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me. 2 of them if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's adopted the patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc... Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks like a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's going and if I call him back. There is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then took him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it and that was the last time he chased him. They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad that they would be made to feel that way. Paola From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim. Most people who have cats brought them from the states and have already had them vaccinated. Again, very few are actually let out. The speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 mph.) I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes outside. I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since she got sick. However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry too much! She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of hours. I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy. Thanks again for your input and concern. Melinda and Fuji On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
hadn't heard of several of those, only been using nature's miracle nad it usually takes a lot of it (using it on clothes) have used the baking soda for litter boxes, especially since I started using chicken feed, or also chicken/rabbit/small animal corn bedding, still waaay cheaper than any kitty litter, but I have a hard time with the corn smell From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:56:18 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been hyped...doesn't work so well. I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals. I've tried spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot longer. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Melinda, I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me. 2 of them if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's adopted the patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc... Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks like a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's going and if I call him back. There is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then took him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it and that was the last time he chased him. They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad that they would be made to feel that way. Paola From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Melinda, I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me. 2 of them if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's adopted the patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc... Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks like a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's going and if I call him back. There is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then took him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it and that was the last time he chased him. They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad that they would be made to feel that way. Paola From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim. Most people who have cats brought them from the states and have already had them vaccinated. Again, very few are actually let out. The speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 mph.) I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes outside. I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since she got sick. However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry too much! She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of hours. I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy. Thanks again for your input and concern. Melinda and Fuji On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Melinda, I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me. 2 of them if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's adopted the patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc... Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks like a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's going and if I call him back. There is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then took him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it and that was the last time he chased him. They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad that they would be made to feel that way. Paola From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim. Most people who have cats brought them from the states and have already had them vaccinated. Again, very few are actually let out. The speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 mph.) I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes outside. I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since she got sick. However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry too much! She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of hours. I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy. Thanks again for your input and concern. Melinda and Fuji On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
Hi MC, sorry finally catching up now with my mail. thank you so much for the input, it seems like we need to make our own way on this issue and forge ahead without data. Hopefully the Veterinary associations will follow suit. I tried clicking on the link you gave me but it couldn't find it. I'll try making searches for AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines Thank you again Paola From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 11:25:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they continue to test positive. vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all were most likely killed. asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, remember. kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority of kittens tested negative. still do. just no real data to 'prove' it. paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* * * MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
thanks for the replies and thanks Susan for asking a question one the one below from MC as I hadn't gotten it. So far I've only gotten this one (through Susan) and the one from Fernanda about little Tommy - so awesome to hear he's negative and doing well kudos to you guys for insisting on keeping him!!! Susan if you get a reply from MC can you forward it to me again? I need to contact the administrator somehow and see if we can figure out why I keep missing posts :-( Karen I got yours and it's so heartbreaking about your little Lovey kitten, you at least gave him a peaceful passing, and some warmth in the end Paola From: Sander, Sue sue.san...@ssa.gov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 11:46:10 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update Can you please state the first paragraph in another way. I'm don't know what you mean by the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. This is very important to me because I have a very healthy cat who tested POSITIVE one year ago. He was a stray. This is the second year I'm taking him to have his teeth cleaned because the vet said she can see signs of FELV+ by his teeth (not her exact words). So what percentage of the 70% and the 30% are the cats who become ill? I began giving my cat the MEGA C a little over a year ago. Thanks very much. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they continue to test positive. vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all were most likely killed. asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, remember. kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority of kittens tested negative. still do. just no real data to 'prove' it. paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* * * MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] listserv help
sorry for the out of subject but who should I contact if I seem to get some posts and when I make posts sometimes they show up and sometimes they don't? thank you Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens
Hi all, I volunteer at a kitten rescue organization, and talking about all the loving, caring people on this listserv the people at the organization were wondering for those who have kittens that were tested positive, how often and how many (average if you've rescued many) turn out to be negative when/if re-tested later on? It would be especially good to know in case we rescue kittens that test positive. Knowing of actual cases and occasions of kittens that turned out to be negative when tested later on would help a lot in dealing with possible cases, and trying to get them adopted. thank you so much in advance, and I hope this gets through, several of my posts/replies to posts haven't been showing up (on my end anyway) Best Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter
We've had it here (on the west coast) for a while, but (and I'd have to check again) the price compared to all the rest is quite higher. It's made from corn and was using it when I had kittens that were being potty trained (if they ate it it wouldn't harm them) I use Swheat scoop now that is more cost effective I find if I mix it with other kitty litter it doesn't turn into cement. In any case I scoop a couple times a day since I have 6 cats (also why I can't afford World's Best... also I can't stand the smell of it... it's kind of yeasty and since I don't tolerate gluten it actually makes me a bit sick. From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 8:20:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter i have 8 cats so this litter is super great for me. Verna Monson vernamon...@msn.com wrote: I've been using this cat litter for a few months now, and am amazed at how cost effective it is. Although the price per bag seems high, it's very efficient, and I find a bag lasts a long time. Two cats, one geriatric, Beatrice; one FeLV positive at 14 months, named Gabriel, and healthy as an ox. Verna Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:50:44 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] cat litter hello everyone, just found a great new litter called World's Best Cat Litter. i found it at Tractor Supply in Troy, Mo., but they are starting to sell through PetsMart and PetCo. it comes in 3 diferent sizes. it is great, a 17 lb bag costs $10.00 and it lasts longer than clay litter. best of all, it is gound up corn so it is biodegradeable, light weight compared to clay, clumps really good (even Dee can't break up the clumps), doesn't smell and lasts longer because you can get out whole clumps and don't waste as much. i called them and they sent me a $3.00 coupon. also sent me to Smart Source.com where i got another $3.00 coupon. they started out in New York area and now are spreading across the country. i live in the country so i just made another compost pile for the cat litter. even if you are in the city and cannot have compost piles, when it gets to the landfil, it will break down and not hurt the environment. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude
Hi Julie, I took in a stray that turned out to be FeLV+ at the same time you did (2 days before 4rth of July) so I really feel for you. My little Angel is doing ok for now, but when I first took him to the vet I was thinking he'd be lasting a month or so as well, and the feeling was terrible and wanted to give him the best time being as possible, not having to wonder where his next meal was coming from or run from other stray/feral cats in the area. Your little Dude had a little luck in the end. From: Julie G. kisluv...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 3:31:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude Hi I've been lurking a few weeks. In July I picked up a stray that turned out to be FELV+. In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could live (I have 4 cats). I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap, snoozing away happily. He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always different sizes. But he was relatively happy so we kept on. Last night his back legs didnt work. This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but they always came back on after a while. But this morning they still didnt work. The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal cord. He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too. So the decision was made to let him go. He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we finally caught him. I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full of tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work. I'm crushed that we couldnt give him a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us, and filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks. Safe and comfy and within a foot of food at all times. :) Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to it... so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted to drop a line to folks who understand. He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was my kitty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better!
awesome news! From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 12:42:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better! YAY!!! Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better! A week ago I thought it was over because he was so lethargic and anemic-the vet visit on 7/23 showed on the in-office test a PCV 18.5% and TP 4.2 (I'm not totally sure what the TP is). His gums were pale, almost white and he was barely eating-it comes on so fast. We started him on Procrit 3 injections a week, doxy 2x a day and an iron supplement capsule 1x a day. Interferon 2x a day. We also gave both he and Rosie their LTCI injection-it was 4 weeks from the last one. His lab CBC came back with RBC 3.52 HGB 5.1 and HCT 22.5 Lymphocytes 5. He has also lost a little over a pound since January, but isn't thin. A week later on 7/29 we took him in for an in-office test (Thursday) his PCV 23% and TP 5.0-he is acting like his old self again-racing me into the kitchen, standing on his hind legs and grabbing the cabinet door with his huge paws and banging the door until he gets a treat! He is back to jumping to the top of the bookcase in the spare room-the eagle is back! He is still resting more than usual-but isn't wiped out like before-if he hears something interesting, he just has to see what it is-Mr Nosy! I am hopeful that he continues to improve-I don't know what triggers the anemia, in January his HCT 39.5 HGB 14.4 and RBC 10.85. He is so good natured-you can give him his shot and pills and he still follows like a puppy and never gets difficult to doctor. Alice and Glenn humans owned by Murphy and Rosie! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?
there is a group online called Alley Cat Allies that provides a lot of information and support for TNR especially http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=191 They are also on Facebook They are located in the East Coast (Washington area) but through them she might find people who tend cat colonies in her area and other support, and also good source for information for her. hope this helps Paola From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 3:31:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources? Does anyone know anyone in the Ft. Worth Texas area who might be able to suggest resources to a woman feeding some cats?It sounds like there is a male who shows up every couple years with a new mom and kittens in tow. Sounds like they need vetting (altering at a minimum) and possibly placement assistance? She is leaving the country for the month of September. SIGH.I am in Iowa. Thanks for any ideas. Laurie Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] new angels
So sorry about all the recent kitties passing on. Am new to this site but if I've learned anything thus far is that they were loved and thanks to you had the best possible life here with us given their circumstances. Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: to Paola - Mixing positives negatives
Thanks you all so much for your input. It's really helpful to know it can work. All my cats are adults and indoor/outdoor hence they were vaccinated and chances are they've mingled in places where FeLV+ cats had been.. hopefully it means it's working and/or they are immune. I will exercise caution just the same as one is also Diabetic. Thanks you so much and kudos to all of you for also not giving up on a kitty just because they are infected with this terrible disease. Paola From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 7:41:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: to Paola - Mixing positives negatives Paola, here is my two cents worth. i have 8 cats, 2 are felv+. my vet said as long as the negatives are up to date on their shots and the positives are not stressed out, have good food and given good care, there should not be any problem. been 2 years + and still no problem. they have hissing/slapping encounters, but no real biting. everyone is fat, sassy and healthy, especially the felv+ girls. of course, they were all at least 1yr old when i got them, not kittens. i did rescue 2 kittens headed for animal control (take them out along the highway and shoot them) and i could not let that happen. they were healthy, but i kept them seperate from others until they had their kitten shots completed. since then, they rule the house. my babies all go in and out since i live in the middle of the woods, not a lot of traffic on my gravel road. they come in at night because of coyotes, etc. going out gives all a way to work off the excess energy and be prepared for a full night's rest. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Paola - In the past I have always mixed my positives negatives. I did this on the advice of my vet, who said I would simply stress the positives by keeping them separate. I vaccinated my negatives every 6 months, again, on the advice of my vet. One of my FeLV negatives was an FIV+ in all the years I mixed, none of my negatives, including my FIV cat, ever go the FeLV. Right now I do not mix simply because one of my negative cats has Stomatitis I recently spent $3,000 saving his life from Hemobartonella, which we believe he got from a depressed immune system because of the steroids he is on. So, understandably, I am paranoid right now about exposing him to anything else. But when I did mix (and I had 5 positives 5 negatives for a long while), I didn't separate them in any way. They all shared food, water, litter; they groomed each other, etc. All my negatives have been retested several times over the years have remained negative. I even had a foster kitten who had FeLV died from FIP. He lived in my bedroom with one of my negative cats for months. My cat never got the FeLV or the FIP. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 7/13/10, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:17 AM a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non affected cats. How do you gys manage that? I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor so they are all vaccinated for FeLV but since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to find someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat. Having no luck so far (found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should definitely be kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who was also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to catch it they might have already done so? I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left alone in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really long time. Sorry for the long post. thanks Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non affected cats. How do you gys manage that? I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor so they are all vaccinated for FeLV but since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to find someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat. Having no luck so far (found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should definitely be kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who was also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to catch it they might have already done so? I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left alone in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really long time. Sorry for the long post. thanks Paola From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 4:48:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING We are a huge shelter with cats mingling in rooms. I guess if you could hold each cat for 6 months retest before introducing them to other cats you may be safe, but I don't see how any shelter could take that chance. While we require our adopted cats to be indoor only, someone could rescue a cat from outside introduce it without testing. Most people don't know enough about FeLV to understand what risks they can put their cats through. I vaccinate mine because I have FeLV cats in the house. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 3:51 PM I am curious about vaccinating them. I usually leave that up to the adopter...my vet recommends agst the vaccine unless the cat is going to go outside. I have not vaccinated my last cat and won't vaccinate the one I am bringing home today. My others were vaccinated several times before I discontinued FeLV vaccinations. I test twice before introducing them and that makes me comfortable with introducing them. (Mine are all negative - things might be different if I had a FeLV positive living here). Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING Really...I got blasted for it by some very fair trusted people! Be interested in hearing what happens with this, first and foremost, hope the cats recover well. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From a vet to whom I sent the warning: Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use them - too many problems with them over the years. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I'm so glad that all are OK! I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to my vet. I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they being vaccinated? Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony or adopted and allowed outside? Cats were tested, were negative, then retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing something here. Sorry - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I work with Furkids. My best friend her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk]
