Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
My guys are not too crazy about Royal Canindry or canned SD. They do like Royal Cannin Extreme Hairball dry. I don't feed it as food, but as a treat. It seems to help Casey who has long, fine hair and is always getting hairballs. pandie...@aol.com wrote: i guess then royal canin's uninary dry S/O is awful as well -Original Message- From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet If you read the labels, so much of the high priced dry is really crap food loaded with corn and byproducts. It's appalling what is out there on pet store shelves. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ elvtalk mailing list elvt...@felineleukemia.org ttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
Purportedly egg yolk lethicin dissolves hairballs, but I've not tried it. On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 1:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My guys are not too crazy about Royal Canindry or canned SD. They do like Royal Cannin Extreme Hairball dry. I don't feed it as food, but as a treat. It seems to help Casey who has long, fine hair and is always getting hairballs. pandie...@aol.com wrote: i guess then royal canin's uninary dry S/O is awful as well -Original Message- From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet If you read the labels, so much of the high priced dry is really crap food loaded with corn and byproducts. It's appalling what is out there on pet store shelves. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ elvtalk mailing list elvt...@felineleukemia.org ttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
The Wall Street Journal said that vets make 40%. Then u have manufacturing cost, marketing costs, etc. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one I ever use is A-D when I have to syringe the food - and I add vitamins minerals to it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
:( my other dachshund is on Royal Canine Hepatic for her micro vascular dysplasia. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: pandie...@aol.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:46:21 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
Check out Dr. Deva Khalsa, author of The Natural Dog. I don't recommend her for homeopathics, but she is very up on research and does telephone consultations. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:23 PM, longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: :( my other dachshund is on Royal Canine Hepatic for her micro vascular dysplasia. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: pandie...@aol.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:46:21 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one I ever use is A-D when I have to syringe the food - and I add vitamins minerals to it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
Yes, I use baby food (without onions and garlic, of course). Not the best, but it goes through a syringe! On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one I ever use is A-D when I have to syringe the food - and I add vitamins minerals to it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
Will do, thank u!! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:23:23 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
I'm not one to believe just cuz its expensive it has to be good. I went with my past experience with SD my pets do not have a problem being on it. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:25:50 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one I ever use is A-D when I have to syringe the food - and I add vitamins minerals to it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
OT: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D
Melissa: We had one cat (Peach) from the litter of cats that were born when I was young that developed the same problem of the formation of crystals in his urine. He honestly almost died from the condition because he was having so much trouble straining to urinate. I have always felt that Science Diet C/D literally saved his life. Once we started him on it, he never had the problem again and his condition improved immediately. However, at the time, we had 4 other cats in the house and my mom did feed them separately. It took a while to figure something out, but for a large chunk of Peach's life he spent his nights in our laundry room where he had all his own litter box and food and where he ate his food separately. He ended up loving it because he felt like it was special treatment. I still can't believe the lengths my mom went to to keep that cat on C/D and to prevent him from ever eating ANY of the other cats' "junk food"-although he tried, many times! I'd have to check with my mom, but Peach lived to be 17-18? years old. He never would have lived that long if there hadn't been Science Diet C/D. In addition, one of the other cats, Peach's brother Rambo, was overweight and spent at least 2 years on the Science Diet for overweight cats- not the "light," but the one for very overweight cats with a very restrictive feeding amount regime. Again, my mom went to great lengths to feed Rambo separately (in our bathroom!), while at the same time feeding Peach separately on C/D, and the othersliving it up eating junk food (Whiskas-- we didn't know any better at the time!). Rambo eventually lost all the weight, was able to get off the Science Diet, and lived a wonderful, healthy life to the age of 19 years-- the oldest living of this litter!!! Keep in mind these were hand-raised, from the day they were born, house cats, with no FeLV or anything like that. And this is before the "organic" pet foods were even made. While I am now and will probably forever feed cats from here on out the premium organic foods, and I am a huge proponent of organic diets, I can't say enough about some of the Prescription Science Diets- especially C/D. If I were you, I would NOT take the cat that needsSD C/D off of that until you discuss it with your vet. As far as I am concerned, SD C/D needs to be treated as if it's an actual medicine you are feeding to your cat who is prone to crystals. I hope this helps! -Caroline From:"Melissa Lind" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:RE: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatmentDate:Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:38:54 -0500Susan,I give SD C/D to all my cats since one of them needs it to prevent crystalsforming in his urine. It is impossible to feed them separately. Since hestarted on it, he hasn't had any problems.What would you suggest I use instead? It's expensive food, and I know therehas to be something better out there, but I absolutely don't have time rightnow to cook for the cats. Well, maybe I have time, but I think the initialtime and cost of getting everything they need together in one meal would betough for me--lots of research needed on my part before I attempt cookingfor them. But, I've had my doubts as to the quality of Science Diet. I justdon't know what else to do to help Bandit's urine problem.Thanks! :)Melissa-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan DuboseSent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:33 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatmentScience Diet is nothing more than expensive junk foodSusan J. DuBose^..^www.PetGirlsPetsitting.comwww.Tx.SiameseRescue.orgwww.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state,Faithful Bast at her side did wait,Purring welcomes of soft applause,Ever guarding with sharpened claws."Trajan Tennent- Original Message -From: "wendy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:50 PMSubject: Re: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatmentI meant to say "are the two most important factors"...lol.sorry.Also,what I mean by high quality diet is a high protein, no grains if you can.Nothing you can buy at Walmart will qualify for this.Cats are obligatecarnivores and do not process grains at all.http://www.homevet.com/petcare/feedingyourcat.htmlBefore I found this group, I was feeding Science Diet to my furbabies.Idid not know their little bodies don't process grains.Now I feed InnovaEvo, a food I buy usually online, because it's cheaper.I can find it atabout 3 or 4 places in Dallas.Can't get it at Petsmart, etc.:)Wendy"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can changethe world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade~~~ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now.
RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D
Thanks Caroline! Yes, my vet advised that taking him off of it would be dangerous-I'd hate to put him through the pain again. As for feeding separately-your mom is quite the trooper! My problem is that the cats are so used to free feeding, that if I only feed them at certain times, then they gobble, gobble, gobble and inevitably vomit from their haste and excitement-especially Bandit, the one who needs the CD. He is constantly worried about food-we rescued him as a starving kitten with a broken leg, maggots, etc., and possibly he still retains memories/fears of starvation-so if he can see the bottom of the food dish, he becomes very upset! Another problem, Angel won't eat in front of us or when commanded or when the other cats eat. I think she eats in the middle of the night. She thinks that being part of the crowd is beneath her. When they all frantically run when they hear the food being dolled out, she just lays there looking demure and amused with their antics. So, feeding her with the others (apart from the C/D cat) would be impossible too! I suppose with enough dedication and training, I could figure something out, but is the CD really that bad for the other cats? The vet doesn't think so, but I know that the rest of you might have better options. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Melissa: We had one cat (Peach) from the litter of cats that were born when I was young that developed the same problem of the formation of crystals in his urine. He honestly almost died from the condition because he was having so much trouble straining to urinate. I have always felt that Science Diet C/D literally saved his life. Once we started him on it, he never had the problem again and his condition improved immediately. However, at the time, we had 4 other cats in the house and my mom did feed them separately. It took a while to figure something out, but for a large chunk of Peach's life he spent his nights in our laundry room where he had all his own litter box and food and where he ate his food separately. He ended up loving it because he felt like it was special treatment. I still can't believe the lengths my mom went to to keep that cat on C/D and to prevent him from ever eating ANY of the other cats' junk food- although he tried, many times! I'd have to check with my mom, but Peach lived to be 17-18? years old. He never would have lived that long if there hadn't been Science Diet C/D. In addition, one of the other cats, Peach's brother Rambo, was overweight and spent at least 2 years on the Science Diet for overweight cats- not the light, but the one for very overweight cats with a very restrictive feeding amount regime. Again, my mom went to great lengths to feed Rambo separately (in our bathroom!), while at the same time feeding Peach separately on C/D, and the othersliving it up eating junk food (Whiskas-- we didn't know any better at the time!). Rambo eventually lost all the weight, was able to get off the Science Diet, and lived a wonderful, healthy life to the age of 19 years-- the oldest living of this litter!!! Keep in mind these were hand-raised, from the day they were born, house cats, with no FeLV or anything like that. And this is before the organic pet foods were even made. While I am now and will probably forever feed cats from here on out the premium organic foods, and I am a huge proponent of organic diets, I can't say enough about some of the Prescription Science Diets- especially C/D. If I were you, I would NOT take the cat that needs SD C/D off of that until you discuss it with your vet. As far as I am concerned, SD C/D needs to be treated as if it's an actual medicine you are feeding to your cat who is prone to crystals. I hope this helps! -Caroline _ From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatment Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:38:54 -0500 Susan, I give SD C/D to all my cats since one of them needs it to prevent crystals forming in his urine. It is impossible to feed them separately. Since he started on it, he hasn't had any problems. What would you suggest I use instead? It's expensive food, and I know there has to be something better out there, but I absolutely don't have time right now to cook for the cats. Well, maybe I have time, but I think the initial time and cost of getting everything they need together in one meal would be tough for me--lots of research needed on my part before I attempt cooking for them. But, I've had my doubts as to the quality of Science Diet. I just don't know what else to do to help Bandit's urine problem. Thanks! :) Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL
RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D
We (and more so, my mom) went through all of that! And there was plenty of vomiting by all, but I don't think there was ever one single reason for that. Since we had 3 boys from the litter of 5, and the mother, they were so used to communal feeding and the competition that came with it by the time Peach developed his condition, it was very difficult to change the feeding routine. I know that it was really hard on my mom and the cats, but she did it because the other cats wouldn't eat the C/D; but all Peach wanted to eat was the other cats' "junk food"- which would give him crystals in his urinary tract! It was so stupid! I think through just doing it over and over again, Peach learned to be primarily a night-time eater in his basement. But every morning, when he knew the other cats were getting fed the "good" food, he would fuss and carry-on in his basement and beg to come out. The other cats too had to learn to eat when they were given food- first thing in the morning and at night- and they had to learn to adjust their "grazing" into a shorter period of time- 1 to 2 hours- instead of all day. But, since there always seemed to be a lot of vomit with those cats, maybe they never truly "learned"!!! What amazes me is thinking about the time those cats spent trying to break into Peach's room and see what he was eating, and conversely, the time Peach spent trying to sneak some of the left-over Whiskas...! I think that might be what kept them going all those years! But no, I would not recommend this to anyone really. We just had a huge dilemma with group feedingbecause we had a cat that would literally not eat anything but Whiskas and would never touch the Science Diets foods! -Caroline From: "Melissa Lind" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/DDate: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:32:01 -0500 Thanks Caroline! Yes, my vet advised that taking him off of it would be dangerousId hate to put him through the pain again. As for feeding separatelyyour mom is quite the trooper! My problem is that the cats are so used to free feeding, that if I only feed them at certain times, then they gobble, gobble, gobble and inevitably vomit from their haste and excitementespecially Bandit, the one who needs the CD. He is constantly worried about foodwe rescued him as a starving kitten with a broken leg, maggots, etc., and possibly he still retains memories/fears of starvationso if he can see the bottom of the food dish, he becomes very upset! Another problem, Angel wont eat in front of us or when commanded or when the other cats eat. I think she eats in the middle of the night. She thinks that being part of the crowd is beneath her. When they all frantically run when they hear the food being dolled out, she just lays there looking demure and amused with their antics. So, feeding her with the others (apart from the C/D cat) would be impossible too! I suppose with enough dedication and training, I could figure something out, but is the CD really that bad for the other cats? The vet doesnt think so, but I know that the rest of you might have better options. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:10 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Melissa: We had one cat (Peach) from the litter of cats that were born when I was young that developed the same problem of the formation of crystals in his urine. He honestly almost died from the condition because he was having so much trouble straining to urinate. I have always felt that Science Diet C/D literally saved his life. Once we started him on it, he never had the problem again and his condition improved immediately. However, at the time, we had 4 other cats in the house and my mom did feed them separately. It took a while to figure something out, but for a large chunk of Peach's life he spent his nights in our laundry room where he had all his own litter box and food and where he ate his food separately. He ended up loving it because he felt like it was special treatment. I still can't believe the lengths my mom went to to keep that cat on C/D and to prevent him from ever eating ANY of the other cats' "junk food"-although he tried, many times! I'd have to check with my mom, but Peach lived to be 17-18? years old. He never would have lived that long if there hadn't been Science Diet C/D. In addition, one of the other cats, Peach's brother Rambo, was overweight and spent at least 2 years on the Science Diet for overweight cats- not the "light," but the one for very overweight cats with a very restrictive feeding amount regime. Again, my mom went to great lengths to feed Rambo separately (in our bathroom!), while at the same time feeding Peach separately on C/D, and the others
RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D
Caroline-what a dilemma! Luckily my other cats all love C/D, probably because before that they were all eating vegetarian cat food until I realized how horrible it was for them! It sounded great in the ads and the testimonials, but not in real life. I was skeptical since cats are obviously meat-eaters, but thought I'd try it anyway. What a mistake! Glad to know others have the gobble/vomit problem too! :-) Melissa Good to know that the CD isn't as bad as the rest of the Science Diet! Thanks Susan! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D We (and more so, my mom) went through all of that! And there was plenty of vomiting by all, but I don't think there was ever one single reason for that. Since we had 3 boys from the litter of 5, and the mother, they were so used to communal feeding and the competition that came with it by the time Peach developed his condition, it was very difficult to change the feeding routine. I know that it was really hard on my mom and the cats, but she did it because the other cats wouldn't eat the C/D; but all Peach wanted to eat was the other cats' junk food- which would give him crystals in his urinary tract! It was so stupid! I think through just doing it over and over again, Peach learned to be primarily a night-time eater in his basement. But every morning, when he knew the other cats were getting fed the good food, he would fuss and carry-on in his basement and beg to come out. The other cats too had to learn to eat when they were given food- first thing in the morning and at night- and they had to learn to adjust their grazing into a shorter period of time- 1 to 2 hours- instead of all day. But, since there always seemed to be a lot of vomit with those cats, maybe they never truly learned!!! What amazes me is thinking about the time those cats spent trying to break into Peach's room and see what he was eating, and conversely, the time Peach spent trying to sneak some of the left-over Whiskas...! I think that might be what kept them going all those years! But no, I would not recommend this to anyone really. We just had a huge dilemma with group feeding because we had a cat that would literally not eat anything but Whiskas and would never touch the Science Diets foods! -Caroline _ From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:32:01 -0500 Thanks Caroline! Yes, my vet advised that taking him off of it would be dangerous-I'd hate to put him through the pain again. As for feeding separately-your mom is quite the trooper! My problem is that the cats are so used to free feeding, that if I only feed them at certain times, then they gobble, gobble, gobble and inevitably vomit from their haste and excitement-especially Bandit, the one who needs the CD. He is constantly worried about food-we rescued him as a starving kitten with a broken leg, maggots, etc., and possibly he still retains memories/fears of starvation-so if he can see the bottom of the food dish, he becomes very upset! Another problem, Angel won't eat in front of us or when commanded or when the other cats eat. I think she eats in the middle of the night. She thinks that being part of the crowd is beneath her. When they all frantically run when they hear the food being dolled out, she just lays there looking demure and amused with their antics. So, feeding her with the others (apart from the C/D cat) would be impossible too! I suppose with enough dedication and training, I could figure something out, but is the CD really that bad for the other cats? The vet doesn't think so, but I know that the rest of you might have better options. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Melissa: We had one cat (Peach) from the litter of cats that were born when I was young that developed the same problem of the formation of crystals in his urine. He honestly almost died from the condition because he was having so much trouble straining to urinate. I have always felt that Science Diet C/D literally saved his life. Once we started him on it, he never had the problem again and his condition improved immediately. However, at the time, we had 4 other cats in the house and my mom did feed them separately. It took a while to figure something out, but for a large chunk of Peach's life he spent his nights in our laundry room where he had all his own litter box and food and where he ate his food separately. He ended up loving it because he felt like it was special treatment. I still can't
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I have a friend who is a vegetarian. I'm always arguing with her about vegetarian cat food. I think I have her convinced to not feed it though... On 7/30/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline—what a dilemma! Luckily my other cats all love C/D, probably because before that they were all eating vegetarian cat food until I realized how horrible it was for them! It sounded great in the ads and the testimonials, but not in real life. I was skeptical since cats are obviously meat-eaters, but thought I'd try it anyway. What a mistake! Glad to know others have the gobble/vomit problem too! J Melissa Good to know that the CD isn't as bad as the rest of the Science Diet! Thanks Susan! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Subject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D We (and more so, my mom) went through all of that! And there was plenty of vomiting by all, but I don't think there was ever one single reason for that. Since we had 3 boys from the litter of 5, and the mother, they were so used to communal feeding and the competition that came with it by the time Peach developed his condition, it was very difficult to change the feeding routine. I know that it was really hard on my mom and the cats, but she did it because the other cats wouldn't eat the C/D; but all Peach wanted to eat was the other cats' junk food- which would give him crystals in his urinary tract! It was so stupid! I think through just doing it over and over again, Peach learned to be primarily a night-time eater in his basement. But every morning, when he knew the other cats were getting fed the good food, he would fuss and carry-on in his basement and beg to come out. The other cats too had to learn to eat when they were given food- first thing in the morning and at night- and they had to learn to adjust their grazing into a shorter period of time- 1 to 2 hours- instead of all day. But, since there always seemed to be a lot of vomit with those cats, maybe they never truly learned!!! What amazes me is thinking about the time those cats spent trying to break into Peach's room and see what he was eating, and conversely, the time Peach spent trying to sneak some of the left-over Whiskas...! I think that might be what kept them going all those years! But no, I would not recommend this to anyone really. We just had a huge dilemma with group feeding because we had a cat that would literally not eat anything but Whiskas and would never touch the Science Diets foods! -Caroline From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:32:01 -0500 Thanks Caroline! Yes, my vet advised that taking him off of it would be dangerous—I'd hate to put him through the pain again. As for feeding separately—your mom is quite the trooper! My problem is that the cats are so used to free feeding, that if I only feed them at certain times, then they gobble, gobble, gobble and inevitably vomit from their haste and excitement—especially Bandit, the one who needs the CD. He is constantly worried about food—we rescued him as a starving kitten with a broken leg, maggots, etc., and possibly he still retains memories/fears of starvation—so if he can see the bottom of the food dish, he becomes very upset! Another problem, Angel won't eat in front of us or when commanded or when the other cats eat. I think she eats in the middle of the night. She thinks that being part of the crowd is beneath her. When they all frantically run when they hear the food being dolled out, she just lays there looking demure and amused with their antics. So, feeding her with the others (apart from the C/D cat) would be impossible too! I suppose with enough dedication and training, I could figure something out, but is the CD really that bad for the other cats? The vet doesn't think so, but I know that the rest of you might have better options. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Melissa: We had one cat (Peach) from the litter of cats that were born when I was young that developed the same problem of the formation of crystals in his urine. He honestly almost died from the condition because he was having so much trouble straining to urinate. I have always felt that Science Diet C/D literally saved his life. Once we started him on it, he never had the problem again and his condition improved immediately
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I am vegetarian and would never consider feeding Dixie anything but meat +. I buy Primal Raw so she has the best (my opinion) choice available + it is easier on my stomach than cooking for her. Cats like some chopped up veggies with their meat. But they can't be vegetarian. They say dogs can. Frankly, I don't buy this either. Dogs can do with less meat but not without (my opinion). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: Re: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D I have a friend who is a vegetarian. I'm always arguing with her about vegetarian cat food. I think I have her convinced to not feed it though... On 7/30/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline—what a dilemma! Luckily my other cats all love C/D, probably because before that they were all eating vegetarian cat food until I realized how horrible it was for them! It sounded great in the ads and the testimonials, but not in real life. I was skeptical since cats are obviously meat-eaters, but thought I'd try it anyway. What a mistake! Glad to know others have the gobble/vomit problem too! J Melissa Good to know that the CD isn't as bad as the rest of the Science Diet! Thanks Susan! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Subject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D We (and more so, my mom) went through all of that! And there was plenty of vomiting by all, but I don't think there was ever one single reason for that. Since we had 3 boys from the litter of 5, and the mother, they were so used to communal feeding and the competition that came with it by the time Peach developed his condition, it was very difficult to change the feeding routine. I know that it was really hard on my mom and the cats, but she did it because the other cats wouldn't eat the C/D; but all Peach wanted to eat was the other cats' junk food- which would give him crystals in his urinary tract! It was so stupid! I think through just doing it over and over again, Peach learned to be primarily a night-time eater in his basement. But every morning, when he knew the other cats were getting fed the good food, he would fuss and carry-on in his basement and beg to come out. The other cats too had to learn to eat when they were given food- first thing in the morning and at night- and they had to learn to adjust their grazing into a shorter period of time- 1 to 2 hours- instead of all day. But, since there always seemed to be a lot of vomit with those cats, maybe they never truly learned!!! What amazes me is thinking about the time those cats spent trying to break into Peach's room and see what he was eating, and conversely, the time Peach spent trying to sneak some of the left-over Whiskas...! I think that might be what kept them going all those years! But no, I would not recommend this to anyone really. We just had a huge dilemma with group feeding because we had a cat that would literally not eat anything but Whiskas and would never touch the Science Diets foods! -Caroline From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: To Melissa Re: Science Diet C/D Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:32:01 -0500 Thanks Caroline! Yes, my vet advised that taking him off of it would be dangerous—I'd hate to put him through the pain again. As for feeding separately—your mom is quite the trooper! My problem is that the cats are so used to free feeding, that if I only feed them at certain times, then they gobble, gobble, gobble and inevitably vomit from their haste and excitement—especially Bandit, the one who needs the CD. He is constantly worried about food—we rescued him as a starving kitten with a broken leg, maggots, etc., and possibly he still retains memories/fears of starvation—so if he can see the bottom of the food dish, he becomes very upset! Another problem, Angel won't eat in front of us or when commanded or when the other cats eat. I think she eats in the middle of the night. She thinks that being part of the crowd is beneath her. When they all frantically run when they hear the food being dolled out, she just lays there looking demure and amused with their antics. So, feeding her with the others (apart from the C/D cat
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Science Diet is trash. Cats are not meant to eat grains, especially corn! They are carnivores. Frankly I think the big increase in IBD in cats is due to people feeding their cats the garbage off the supermarket shelves plus the Science Diet that is so hyped up as being GOOD for aniimals. Baloney! Pam Gussies mom wrote: Litter: Feline Pine. When he gets out with the other cats is when I see him eat litter No, he has not been tested for Hemobart. He was so young when the anemia started. I asked the vet at that time and she said they do not see Hemobart in young kittens. I don't think Science Diet is a bad food, certainly not the absolute best, but I have never had any problems with it. */[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: First questions that must be answered: What type and brand of cat litter are you using? Has he been tested for Hemobartonella? If you knew the cat food you were feeding for free was causing him harm, would you be willing to pay for different food? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
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If everyone here were going to pick the best catfood (dry) for a multiple cat household - keeping low-medium budgets in mind - what would you pick? What about canned? We have some VERY picky eaters. Debbie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Science Diet etc Science Diet is trash. Cats are not meant to eat grains, especially corn! They are carnivores. Frankly I think the big increase in IBD in cats is due to people feeding their cats the garbage off the supermarket shelves plus the Science Diet that is so hyped up as being GOOD for aniimals. Baloney! Pam Gussies mom wrote: Litter: Feline Pine. When he gets out with the other cats is when I see him eat litter No, he has not been tested for Hemobart. He was so young when the anemia started. I asked the vet at that time and she said they do not see Hemobart in young kittens. I don't think Science Diet is a bad food, certainly not the absolute best, but I have never had any problems with it. */[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: First questions that must be answered: What type and brand of cat litter are you using? Has he been tested for Hemobartonella? If you knew the cat food you were feeding for free was causing him harm, would you be willing to pay for different food? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM
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At 04:47 PM 3/14/2007, you wrote: I have 43 cats and had had many problem until a woman who has 600 and a wonderful sanctuary says she uses KIRKLAND,,, I switched and have had GREAT success with it, No more blockages, stones, or other problems, last month i made a big mistake of going to a EXPENSIVE food, and really paid the price, I will never switch again, I use a variety of wet food, Usually Friskies, and they all have their favorites, Kelly If everyone here were going to pick the best catfood (dry) for a multiple cat household - keeping low-medium budgets in mind - what would you pick? What about canned? We have some VERY picky eaters. Debbie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Science Diet etc Science Diet is trash. Cats are not meant to eat grains, especially corn! They are carnivores. Frankly I think the big increase in IBD in cats is due to people feeding their cats the garbage off the supermarket shelves plus the Science Diet that is so hyped up as being GOOD for aniimals. Baloney! Pam Gussies mom wrote: Litter: Feline Pine. When he gets out with the other cats is when I see him eat litter No, he has not been tested for Hemobart. He was so young when the anemia started. I asked the vet at that time and she said they do not see Hemobart in young kittens. I don't think Science Diet is a bad food, certainly not the absolute best, but I have never had any problems with it. */[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: First questions that must be answered: What type and brand of cat litter are you using? Has he been tested for Hemobartonella? If you knew the cat food you were feeding for free was causing him harm, would you be willing to pay for different food? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007
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Thanks Kelly. Unfortunately I have never seen this brand any where. I live in Ohio. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Science Diet etc At 04:47 PM 3/14/2007, you wrote: I have 43 cats and had had many problem until a woman who has 600 and a wonderful sanctuary says she uses KIRKLAND,,, I switched and have had GREAT success with it, No more blockages, stones, or other problems, last month i made a big mistake of going to a EXPENSIVE food, and really paid the price, I will never switch again, I use a variety of wet food, Usually Friskies, and they all have their favorites, Kelly If everyone here were going to pick the best catfood (dry) for a multiple cat household - keeping low-medium budgets in mind - what would you pick? What about canned? We have some VERY picky eaters. Debbie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Science Diet etc Science Diet is trash. Cats are not meant to eat grains, especially corn! They are carnivores. Frankly I think the big increase in IBD in cats is due to people feeding their cats the garbage off the supermarket shelves plus the Science Diet that is so hyped up as being GOOD for aniimals. Baloney! Pam Gussies mom wrote: Litter: Feline Pine. When he gets out with the other cats is when I see him eat litter No, he has not been tested for Hemobart. He was so young when the anemia started. I asked the vet at that time and she said they do not see Hemobart in young kittens. I don't think Science Diet is a bad food, certainly not the absolute best, but I have never had any problems with it. */[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: First questions that must be answered: What type and brand of cat litter are you using? Has he been tested for Hemobartonella? If you knew the cat food you were feeding for free was causing him harm, would you be willing to pay for different food? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM
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At 05:19 PM 3/14/2007, you wrote: Kirkland is the brand sold in Costco,,It is their generic,...it has just worked well for me. \kelly Thanks Kelly. Unfortunately I have never seen this brand any where. I live in Ohio. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Science Diet etc At 04:47 PM 3/14/2007, you wrote: I have 43 cats and had had many problem until a woman who has 600 and a wonderful sanctuary says she uses KIRKLAND,,, I switched and have had GREAT success with it, No more blockages, stones, or other problems, last month i made a big mistake of going to a EXPENSIVE food, and really paid the price, I will never switch again, I use a variety of wet food, Usually Friskies, and they all have their favorites, Kelly If everyone here were going to pick the best catfood (dry) for a multiple cat household - keeping low-medium budgets in mind - what would you pick? What about canned? We have some VERY picky eaters. Debbie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Science Diet etc Science Diet is trash. Cats are not meant to eat grains, especially corn! They are carnivores. Frankly I think the big increase in IBD in cats is due to people feeding their cats the garbage off the supermarket shelves plus the Science Diet that is so hyped up as being GOOD for aniimals. Baloney! Pam Gussies mom wrote: Litter: Feline Pine. When he gets out with the other cats is when I see him eat litter No, he has not been tested for Hemobart. He was so young when the anemia started. I asked the vet at that time and she said they do not see Hemobart in young kittens. I don't think Science Diet is a bad food, certainly not the absolute best, but I have never had any problems with it. */[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: First questions that must be answered: What type and brand of cat litter are you using? Has he been tested for Hemobartonella? If you knew the cat food you were feeding for free was causing him harm, would you be willing to pay for different food? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 9:27 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007
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Costco (the store that sells the Kirkland product label) is replaced by Sam's Clubs in certain areas, possibly in Ohio, not sure. They are both big wholesale membership club type stores. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Hi All, For me the point of euthanized pets being used as rendered product isn't the fact that there is phenobarbitol in them from euthanization, it is the fact of why are euthanized pets being used in this way, I DO NOT want my furkids eating other furkids, that has got to be very unhealthy!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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But Hills is saying they don't use euthanized pets. Anyone have any info. on that? tBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,For me the point of euthanized pets being used as rendered product isn't the fact that there is phenobarbitol in them from euthanization, it is the fact of why are euthanized pets being used in this way, I DO NOT want my furkids eating other furkids, that has got to be very unhealthy!!-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
