[Felvtalk] Israel Bans Cat Declawing: Will U.S. Follow?
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I hope we do join in o a ban. I wonder how thoses people wouldfeel if they had their claws removed. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: http://www.care2.com/causes/israel-bans-cat-declawing-will-u-s-follow.html ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since most are good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and nevr point the finger at one of our own. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Emus? Where do you live? What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People drunk, shooting from the road. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
And brag about poaching? On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:05 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since most are good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and nevr point the finger at one of our own. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Emus? Where do you live? What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People drunk, shooting from the road. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
Maybe if we all spent more time and effort on education everyone would be better off. here would not be so many abusd and unwanted children, cats and dogs and horses, etc. I also have pretty things. I put them where they cannot be harmed and have many scratching alterntives around the house. They also like the 4 x 4 posts of the deck and after 31 years of cats along with raccoons and possum climbing up and down them, they are still standing. Not so pretty, but I don't care because if I did then I would not have cats to claw them. So many people get animals just like they have children without giving a thought to how much care they will need in their lifetime. They want. They get and then when it is too much trouble, they dispose of it. It is part of our throw away mentality today. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: Education can get people to look for alternatives...the more education, the harder (hopefully) they will look. I really believe that there are times it is best for the cat--sorry, I know a lot of you disagree--and my boys have their claws as have most of my cats. The boys were tiny when they adopted me and we have had numerous lessons and I buy things that are difficult to harm/I won't be devastated if they are scratched etc. There are two 8 foot pieces of foam insulation in the garage that they have claimed and there are several doorways (rustic log house, plank trim, if they ever scratch through a piece I'll spend $70-80 and replace it). People need to think things out. If possessions are that important then maybe they need fish or a ..And yes, I have a lot of very nice things that would break my heart to loose. They are in glass cabinets or are not reachable. Unfortunately, a lot of people think these little guys are disposable and without a soul. I feel sorry for those people. On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beth wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From:Natalie To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From:Natalie To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From:Natalie To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People drunk, shooting from the road. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From:Natalie To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I
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Emus? Where do you live? What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People drunk, shooting from the road. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big
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I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing
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Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From:Natalie To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older cat - it's so much harder
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I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From:Natalie To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: Education can get people to look for alternatives...the more education, the harder (hopefully) they will look. I really believe that there are times it is best for the cat--sorry, I know a lot of you disagree--and my boys have their claws as have most of my cats. The boys were tiny when they adopted me and we have had numerous lessons and I buy things that are difficult to harm/I won't be devastated if they are scratched etc. There are two 8 foot pieces of foam insulation in the garage that they have claimed and there are several doorways (rustic log house, plank trim, if they ever scratch through a piece I'll spend $70-80 and replace it). People need to think things out. If possessions are that important then maybe they need fish or a ..And yes, I have a lot of very nice things that would break my heart to loose. They are in glass cabinets or are not reachable. Unfortunately, a lot of people think these little guys are disposable and without a soul. I feel sorry for those people. On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beth wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for this Natalie People need to know how HORRIBLE this declaw surgery is. Please send us the article you mentioned. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Who would like to get the Declawing info?
I cannot send it to the group because it's larger than 20 KB, sorry! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would please.. Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:29:30 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Who would like to get the Declawing info? I cannot send it to the group because it's larger than 20 KB, sorry! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would. Thanks, Katy On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I cannot send it to the group because it's larger than 20 KB, sorry! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read
Please click on the link below to read more about declawing, see an actual video of what declawing did to a lion and print materials out for potential adopters. http://www.pawproject.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It is true about the change in the way they walk - one can tell when a cat is declawed. My sister-in-law declawed her first cat (actually inherited her from her son) - they are obsessed with their homesWhen my mother-in-law was visiting here, she told me that the second cat she got was in a cage at the vet for so long, the poor thing forgot how to walk, hunched over, etc. That poor kitten was declawed - cages aren't so low that a cat can't stand up! He had to learn how to walk again! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Gonzales Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read Please click on the link below to read more about declawing, see an actual video of what declawing did to a lion and print materials out for potential adopters. http://www.pawproject.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Where I come from (the Netherlands) declawing is illegal, and that's what it should be here...illegal!! Peggy 2011/3/24 Natalie at...@optonline.net It is true about the change in the way they walk - one can tell when a cat is declawed. My sister-in-law declawed her first cat (actually inherited her from her son) - they are obsessed with their homesWhen my mother-in-law was visiting here, she told me that the second cat she got was in a cage at the vet for so long, the poor thing forgot how to walk, hunched over, etc. That poor kitten was declawed - cages aren't so low that a cat can't stand up! He had to learn how to walk again! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Gonzales Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read Please click on the link below to read more about declawing, see an actual video of what declawing did to a lion and print materials out for potential adopters. http://www.pawproject.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 03-23, Beth wrote: We have removed cats from homes when we've found out they declawed. Our contract strictly prohibits it. Those things are usually handled through a lawyer, though. You don't want to go about it the wrong way. Beth Beth, Thanks for your thoughts on declawing. It is absolutely the cruelist thing imaginable. It's amputation of the last joint of EACH toe. Cats suffer terribly after this surgery and they often stop using their litter boxes because it hurts so much. Biting is another thing they often do because they feel defenseless without their claws. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Declawing
Actually, they have made it illegal in West Hollywood, CA! Hooray! Here are some other measures people have taken to educate/ban the practice in CA. Slowly, slowly, slowly things are changing. Declawing for non-medical or cosmetic reasons (not for the benefit of the cat) is illegal or considered inhumane in many countries in Europe, as well as New Zealand, Australia, and Brazil. I got this from http://cats.about.com/cs/declawing/i/declawlaws.htm N September 23, 2003: The Board of Supervisors of the City and County of San Francisco, CA passed a resolution "strongly urging" cat owners and veterinarians to discontinue the practice of declawing native and exotic cat species. This was somewhat short of the original move to ban declawing, spearheaded by Commissioner Susan Wheeler. May 27, 2003: May 27The City Council of Malibu, CA votes to approve a resolution condemning the practice of declawing. The Council also voted for local veterinarians to require pet owners requesting declawing to view an informational video and sign a consent prior to the procedure. The measure was the result of efforts by Councilmember Joan House and The Paw Project. April 29, 2003: California AB395, introduced by Assemblyman Paul Koretz and sponsored by The Paw Project, does not get the votes needed to pass committee. The bill is tabled until the 2004 session. April 7, 2003: The City Council of West Hollywood, CA enacted an ordinance banning the declawing of cats; the first law of its kind in the United States February 14, 2003: California Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-42nd District) introduces Assembly Bill (AB) 395 to prohibit declawing of cats. AB 395 will ban the inhumane surgical procedure, and if enacted, it may be the nation's first state law to prohibit declawing. MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Message Now, I stand corrected Patti!! I totally agree: declawing should be illegal. (I'd never heard of such a thing until I came to the US.) Any cat that finds a home with you, Patti, is one very fortunate cat. Would that it were the norm, instead of the exception. hugs, Kerry
