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My problem is that I cannot afford the medicare supplement costs. Between medicare deducted from your SS and medicare part D and supplement, I am going to the poor house real fast. Could not get a cost of living raise in SS fro 2 years but the congress voted itself a raise of $4000.00 per year because they needed it. Think I will run for congress, they get free everything. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc. clean her place. It costs $200/month. Yes, they paid into it all their lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when time comes to move to a nursing home. Father-in-law had a sunny private room, great care for $10/day! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T On 10-04, GRAS wrote: Obama ideally wanted single-payer. Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the world, lets it's people go without medical help. Every other first world country has single payer. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have health insurance through the state-run high risk pool . It's relatively expensive and there is a lot it doesn't pay for -- I am currently paying off $295 for a regular doctor's visit and labs because I have a pre-existing condition so no visit is EVER just an annual checkup by their definition (which would have been free). That's in addition to $326 a month with a $5500 deductible, which is the low income premium. Its major advantage is on the drug co-pay, and they get you a *little* off your doctor bills. I have a temp job, 5 paid days off a year, no bennies. I would have gone under long ago if my housemate weren't extraordinarily generous (and received a decent inheritance a few years back). I have a friend who has a number of health issues, including panic disorder, for which she was taking a number of meds, with meds to counteract the side effects of those meds, you know how that goes. She had a bad patch, lost her full-time job and benefits, and was also using this shared-risk insurance. It was increasingly difficult coming up with the monthly premiums. Several years ago she married and moved to England, and gets every prescription for under $10 (our money) and now is making inroads into her panic with a psychologist. She is miles better off there than she was here. Y'all may not all be fans of Michael Moore, but his film Sicko was an eye-opener. He goes around Europe and finds out that the drugs are cheap, the doctors aren't greedy, paid sick days and vacations are plentiful and *mandated* -- much more compassionate than here, where those of us without paid sick days either get into financial trouble or suck it up and work sick. He also took a bunch of sick people, many of them first-responders on 9/11, by boat to Gitmo, since the medical care there is supposed to be great, to demand equal treatment for US citizens as prisoners of war get. They couldn't land on Gitmo and diverted to Cuba, where each and every person was evaluated and prescribed meds which were actually better than they were getting in the States, and those meds cost a fraction of the price. One woman was going bankrupt at home to pay for her inhaler for her 9/11 lung damage, I think in the states she was charged something like $120, and in Cuba that inhaler cost something like $5. The thing about health care is that if the costs can be brought under control, a LOT of our country's economic and social problems get solved, and the federal government is the only entity with enough power to do that. The individual states aren't up to it. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc. clean her place. It costs $200/month. Yes, they paid into it all their lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when time comes to move to a nursing home. Father-in-law had a sunny private room, great care for $10/day! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T On 10-04, GRAS wrote: Obama ideally wanted single-payer. Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the world, lets it's people go without medical help. Every other first world country has single payer. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES
Hi ~ just my opinion, I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com? Who is checking on them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts. I went on their site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers. The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself. IF I care enough, that is what I do. I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago.. IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information below to see if it is true ~ your choice. Why would this person not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com? My point is why should anyone believe Snopes.com. Who are they really.and. the truth has to be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line. Just my two cents~ **Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering) SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS. I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID IT WAS FALSE. Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes. I thought that was odd. Check this out. Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan. We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes! Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'? We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to be financed by Soros! Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of Obama! In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied! Everyone of those dockets are there. So Here is what I wrote to Snopes: Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking. Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I doubt it. That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this: Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on. Once again the US Senate sold us out! Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court. Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama. She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone who really has no true right to even be there. Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket: You can look up some of these hearings and guess what? Elena Kagan is the attorney representing Obama! Check out these examples: http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm If you are not interested in justice or in truth, simply delete. However, if you hold sacred the freedoms granted to you by the U.S. Constitution; by all means, PASS it ON! There truly is tyranny afoot. Valerie Barnes Office Manager/Bookkeeper G.W. Bulluck Elementary School (252)985.3456 (252)442.2370 fax ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES
OK, so it appears the main thrust of this forwarded post isObama is not a US citizen. Really Still IMNSHO, there are people who would do ANYTHING to de-legitimize the fact that there is a black man in the White House. Ridiculous. The one true fact about the internet is that anybody can find validation for ANY wackadoo opinion. I bet you could find a scientific study affirming that cats are descended from dogs and that birds are the result of magic. There is a refutation of this forwarded stuff (which has been around since 2008, BTW) on About.com: http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm I'm sure you could find a refutation and charges of bias about About.com if you wanted to. The bottom line is, vote who you want to, but make *yourself* aware of the character of your candidate. Watch the person over a period of time; does he contradict himself from one week to the next? Does he promise more than he can deliver? Does he give details about his plans? Does he keep the promises he has made in the past? By these criteria, there's nobody in politics who truly stands up 100% to scrutiny. But unlike in horseshoes, in politics close does count. Have these people made an effort to act on the things they say they believe in? And are those beliefs based on the good of every single person in the United States, not just a select group? These are things each person has to decide for him- or herself. 2 more cents, Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES Hi ~ just my opinion, I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com? Who is checking on them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts. I went on their site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers. The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself. IF I care enough, that is what I do. I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago.. IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information below to see if it is true ~ your choice. Why would this person not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com? My point is why should anyone believe Snopes.com. Who are they really.and. the truth has to be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line. Just my two cents~ **Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering) SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS. I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID IT WAS FALSE. Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes. I thought that was odd. Check this out. Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan. We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes! Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'? We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to be financed by Soros! Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of Obama! In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied! Everyone of those dockets are there. So Here is what I wrote to Snopes: Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking. Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I doubt it. That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this: Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on. Once again the US Senate sold us out! Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court. Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search
Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES
Most of the time, snopes puts links to their sources. I ALWAYS go to those to look for myself. Haven't found Snopes to be wrong but then I never say never...lol -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES Hi ~ just my opinion, I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com? Who is checking on them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts. I went on their site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers. The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself. IF I care enough, that is what I do. I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago.. IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information below to see if it is true ~ your choice. Why would this person not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com? My point is why should anyone believe Snopes.com. Who are they really.and. the truth has to be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line. Just my two cents~ **Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering) SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS. I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID IT WAS FALSE. Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes. I thought that was odd. Check this out. Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan. We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes! Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'? We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to be financed by Soros! Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of Obama! In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied! Everyone of those dockets are there. So Here is what I wrote to Snopes: Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking. Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I doubt it. That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this: Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on. Once again the US Senate sold us out! Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court. Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama. She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone who really has no true right to even be there. Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket: You can look up some of these hearings and guess what? Elena Kagan is the attorney representing Obama! Check out these examples: http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm If you are not interested in justice or in truth, simply delete. However, if you hold sacred the freedoms granted to you by the U.S. Constitution; by all means, PASS it ON! There truly is tyranny afoot. Valerie Barnes Office Manager/Bookkeeper G.W. Bulluck Elementary School (252)985.3456 (252)442.2370 fax
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This week, my sweetest, mushiest cat bit me- and I ended up in er a couple of times had an overnight in the hospital to be pumped full of iv antibiotics. I have ins but let say someone had the same thing happen without insurance. They would have been admitted (considered life threatening) then I would have had to pay for part of it out of my taxes for Medicaid. Wouldn't it be better if we had a system where everybody could get affordable health insurance--everybody I know who doesn't have insurance doesn't have it cause they can't find a low cost plan (I'm in NY). -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T I have health insurance through the state-run high risk pool . It's relatively expensive and there is a lot it doesn't pay for -- I am currently paying off $295 for a regular doctor's visit and labs because I have a pre-existing condition so no visit is EVER just an annual checkup by their definition (which would have been free). That's in addition to $326 a month with a $5500 deductible, which is the low income premium. Its major advantage is on the drug co-pay, and they get you a *little* off your doctor bills. I have a temp job, 5 paid days off a year, no bennies. I would have gone under long ago if my housemate weren't extraordinarily generous (and received a decent inheritance a few years back). I have a friend who has a number of health issues, including panic disorder, for which she was taking a number of meds, with meds to counteract the side effects of those meds, you know how that goes. She had a bad patch, lost her full-time job and benefits, and was also using this shared-risk insurance. It was increasingly difficult coming up with the monthly premiums. Several years ago she married and moved to England, and gets every prescription for under $10 (our money) and now is making inroads into her panic with a psychologist. She is miles better off there than she was here. Y'all may not all be fans of Michael Moore, but his film Sicko was an eye-opener. He goes around Europe and finds out that the drugs are cheap, the doctors aren't greedy, paid sick days and vacations are plentiful and *mandated* -- much more compassionate than here, where those of us without paid sick days either get into financial trouble or suck it up and work sick. He also took a bunch of sick people, many of them first-responders on 9/11, by boat to Gitmo, since the medical care there is supposed to be great, to demand equal treatment for US citizens as prisoners of war get. They couldn't land on Gitmo and diverted to Cuba, where each and every person was evaluated and prescribed meds which were actually better than they were getting in the States, and those meds cost a fraction of the price. One woman was going bankrupt at home to pay for her inhaler for her 9/11 lung damage, I think in the states she was charged something like $120, and in Cuba that inhaler cost something like $5. The thing about health care is that if the costs can be brought under control, a LOT of our country's economic and social problems get solved, and the federal government is the only entity with enough power to do that. The individual states aren't up to it. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc. clean her place. It costs $200/month. Yes, they paid into it all their lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when time comes to move to a nursing home. Father-in-law had a sunny private room, great care for $10/day! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T On 10-04, GRAS wrote: Obama ideally wanted single-payer. Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the world, lets it's people go without medical help. Every other first world country has single payer. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES
I did not say I agree with the links, it was just an example of people using snopes to declare whether or not something is true or false. And just for the record I am not prejudice (I know I'm not be accused ot this, I just want to point this out). I have many friends from all ethnicities. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:23:29 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES OK, so it appears the main thrust of this forwarded post isObama is not a US citizen. Really Still IMNSHO, there are people who would do ANYTHING to de-legitimize the fact that there is a black man in the White House. Ridiculous. The one true fact about the internet is that anybody can find validation for ANY wackadoo opinion. I bet you could find a scientific study affirming that cats are descended from dogs and that birds are the result of magic. There is a refutation of this forwarded stuff (which has been around since 2008, BTW) on About.com: http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm I'm sure you could find a refutation and charges of bias about About.com if you wanted to. The bottom line is, vote who you want to, but make *yourself* aware of the character of your candidate. Watch the person over a period of time; does he contradict himself from one week to the next? Does he promise more than he can deliver? Does he give details about his plans? Does he keep the promises he has made in the past? By these criteria, there's nobody in politics who truly stands up 100% to scrutiny. But unlike in horseshoes, in politics close does count. Have these people made an effort to act on the things they say they believe in? And are those beliefs based on the good of every single person in the United States, not just a select group? These are things each person has to decide for him- or herself. 2 more cents, Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES Hi ~ just my opinion, I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com? Who is checking on them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts. I went on their site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers. The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself. IF I care enough, that is what I do. I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago.. IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information below to see if it is true ~ your choice. Why would this person not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com? My point is why should anyone believe Snopes.com. Who are they really.and. the truth has to be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line. Just my two cents~ **Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering) SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS. I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID IT WAS FALSE. Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes. I thought that was odd. Check this out. Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan. We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes! Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'? We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to be financed by Soros! Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of Obama! In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied! Everyone of those dockets are there. So Here is what I wrote to Snopes: Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to. I have long suspected
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Glad you got the point of my post.. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 12:29:18 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES Most of the time, snopes puts links to their sources. I ALWAYS go to those to look for myself. Haven't found Snopes to be wrong but then I never say never...lol -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES Hi ~ just my opinion, I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com? Who is checking on them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts. I went on their site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers. The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself. IF I care enough, that is what I do. I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago.. IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information below to see if it is true ~ your choice. Why would this person not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com? My point is why should anyone believe Snopes.com. Who are they really.and. the truth has to be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line. Just my two cents~ **Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering) SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS. I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID IT WAS FALSE. Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes. I thought that was odd. Check this out. Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan. We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes! Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'? We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to be financed by Soros! Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of Obama! In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied! Everyone of those dockets are there. So Here is what I wrote to Snopes: Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking. Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I doubt it. That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this: Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on. Once again the US Senate sold us out! Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court. Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama. She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone who really has no true right to even be there. Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket: You can look up some of these hearings and guess what? Elena Kagan is the attorney representing Obama! Check out these examples: http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm If you are not interested in justice or in truth, simply delete. However, if you hold sacred the freedoms
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Long ago, around 1985, just after my dad passed away, I had a minor health issue and a lot of health worries. At that time I had insurance through Met Life because I was self employed. Unfortunately, the insurance (always read the fine print) did not cover a basic glucose tolerance test, a thyroid test, or a Pap smear. It did cover a broken bone, various sprains and other injuries. The problem was I was afraid of adult onset diabetes since my dad's entire family had it and one brother died at age 50 when he went into a diabetic coma. I had to spend a whole lot of money to get the tests I needed. Fortunately, no diabetes. I do have hypoglycemia and that was what was making me woozy and unsettled. But it cost me over a thousand dollars to find this out. Mom said not to cancel the Met Life policy because I drive and she was afraid I would have an accident and tremendous health cost to get patched up and glued together. Well, every 6 months they raised the premium until I was paying over $1,000 every six months. I cancelled and did not have health coverage until recently when I became eligible for Medicare. This is why small businesses fail, in my opinion, because people are looking for jobs that give benefits and health insurance coverage and small businesses just can't afford to insure two or three workers. This also effects the care of our rescued cats and dogs. If we are paying thousands of dollars for our own health insurance or issues we can't usually afford to give them the treatments they need, the yearly physical exams to catch issues like beginning renal problems, elevated glucose, etc.. Then in a year or two it becomes a major veterinary expense because the problem has gotten worse. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T I have health insurance through the state-run high risk pool . It's relatively expensive and there is a lot it doesn't pay for -- I am currently paying off $295 for a regular doctor's visit and labs because I have a pre-existing condition so no visit is EVER just an annual checkup by their definition (which would have been free). That's in addition to $326 a month with a $5500 deductible, which is the low income premium. Its major advantage is on the drug co-pay, and they get you a *little* off your doctor bills. I have a temp job, 5 paid days off a year, no bennies. I would have gone under long ago if my housemate weren't extraordinarily generous (and received a decent inheritance a few years back). I have a friend who has a number of health issues, including panic disorder, for which she was taking a number of meds, with meds to counteract the side effects of those meds, you know how that goes. She had a bad patch, lost her full-time job and benefits, and was also using this shared-risk insurance. It was increasingly difficult coming up with the monthly premiums. Several years ago she married and moved to England, and gets every prescription for under $10 (our money) and now is making inroads into her panic with a psychologist. She is miles better off there than she was here. Y'all may not all be fans of Michael Moore, but his film Sicko was an eye-opener. He goes around Europe and finds out that the drugs are cheap, the doctors aren't greedy, paid sick days and vacations are plentiful and *mandated* -- much more compassionate than here, where those of us without paid sick days either get into financial trouble or suck it up and work sick. He also took a bunch of sick people, many of them first-responders on 9/11, by boat to Gitmo, since the medical care there is supposed to be great, to demand equal treatment for US citizens as prisoners of war get. They couldn't land on Gitmo and diverted to Cuba, where each and every person was evaluated and prescribed meds which were actually better than they were getting in the States, and those meds cost a fraction of the price. One woman was going bankrupt at home to pay for her inhaler for her 9/11 lung damage, I think in the states she was charged something like $120, and in Cuba that inhaler cost something like $5. The thing about health care is that if the costs can be brought under control, a LOT of our country's economic and social problems get solved, and the federal government is the only entity with enough power to do that. The individual states aren't up to it. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc. clean her place. It costs $200/month
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How wonderful for them. It should be the same way in America the Ungreat!! On 10-06, Natalie wrote: My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc. clean her place. It costs $200/month. Yes, they paid into it all their lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when time comes to move to a nursing home. Father-in-law had a sunny private room, great care for $10/day! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 10-04, GRAS wrote: Obama ideally wanted single-payer. Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the world, lets it's people go without medical help. Every other first world country has single payer. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] O T Just don't read this if it upsets u.
WELL SAID LEE, AND EVERY WORD YOU WROTE IS THE TRUTH. On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote: I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most. Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican Senate. I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein to grab the money and run. I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars a year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country. Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised. Who the heck ever mentioned businesses? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses. I see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of gibberish regulations. What's wrong with just extending Medicare and Medicaid to everyone? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and adopting the Canadian health care model? Then my friends tell me that we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country. And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 years. I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again. Just my opinion. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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AMEN LEE!!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: WELL SAID LEE, AND EVERY WORD YOU WROTE IS THE TRUTH. On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote: I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most. Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican Senate. I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein to grab the money and run. I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars a year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country. Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised. Who the heck ever mentioned businesses? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses. I see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of gibberish regulations. What's wrong with just extending Medicare and Medicaid to everyone? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and adopting the Canadian health care model? Then my friends tell me that we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country. And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 years. I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again. Just my opinion. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc. clean her place. It costs $200/month. Yes, they paid into it all their lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when time comes to move to a nursing home. Father-in-law had a sunny private room, great care for $10/day! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T On 10-04, GRAS wrote: Obama ideally wanted single-payer. Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the world, lets it's people go without medical help. Every other first world country has single payer. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
o/t anyone know what weak/wobbly rear legs might mean
Dear all A co-worker asked me if I had any idea what might be wrong with her cat as the treatment hasn't fixed the problem. She clearly loves her cat and is very upset. I said I didn't have an answer and would ask you wonderful guys. (Altho' my Caramel's rear legs also stopped working, Caramel was FeLV pos, tho, and it happened right before the end. My co-worker's cat is negative.) Here's her description of the problem. Thanks very much for any info or ideas you may have for her, Kerry M. The first inkling I had that something was wrong with Goomba was several weeks ago when I observed him attempting to jump up on my bathroom sink (which he usually did while I was getting ready in the morning) and he didn't make it. He never has tried again. Subsequently, he stopped jumping up on my bed at night to sleep and his demeanor became increasingly irritable. And so it was for a couple of weeks. Meanwhile, his appetite remained good and he still showed interest in going outside. My concern increased when I noticed his gait becoming wobbly and he groaned loudly when ascending steps, and hissed at any attempt by me to help him. At this point, I took him to the vet, Monday, March 31. Goomba was not a happy patient, but I left him there for some tests. They sedated him, of course, did a blood test and took an x-ray. All measurements of the blood test were within normal range. The x-ray showed his spine to be in perfect condition (I had thought the problem might have been an injury). It also showed that he has a small kidney stone, which the doctor indicated should not be causing any problems. The problem the x-ray did reveal was inflammation around his heart, so a test for heartworm was also done that test ultimately came back negative. To alleviate his symptoms, they also gave him a shot (I do not know for sure, but I believe the shot he was given was a corticosteroid. I can call and ask if such information will help.) Unfortunately, it's making him think he's mightier than he really is! I was also given three syringes of medication to be administered every other day (I believe that was for pain). He came home, was rather peppy for the following week, and even got up on a love seat one day for his nap. His last dose of this medicine was given on Saturday, April 5. He was feeling pretty good, but his condition deteriorated over the course of the week until when I came home on Friday, April 11, I thought he might be dying. His rear legs were weak, he was collapsing on them and literally dragging them along at times. This continued through the weekend, seeming to get a little worse each day. But he persists. His appetite remains strong as does his desire to go outside. On Tuesday, April 15, I got more medicine from the vet and gave it to him that morning before I left for work. When I came home, I could tell that he felt better, but his legs were still not working as they should. And that brings us to today. This morning he wanted to go outside and he ate a full meal. Following breakfast he went downstairs to use the litter box, flopping down one step at a time. It's heartbreaking to watch him work so hard; his will is so strong yet. To eliminate the possibility that this is a neurological problem, the vet suggested I perform a couple of screening tests. Based on Goomba's response, I don't think the problem is neurological. Goomba was diagnosed with fatty liver disease a couple of years ago, from which he seemingly recovered rather quickly. That was his only life-threatening illness. He is about seven or eight years old; I got him when he was an adult so I'm not exactly sure. _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
URGENT: o/t anyone know what weak/wobbly rear legs might mean
My experience with weak rear legs was myonecrosis. Coco also had trouble eating. Her tongue would come out of her mouth. We saw a neurologist and a biopsy of her rear leg muscles was done. Her muscles were dying. Possible causes were toxic, nutritional and something else (parasite?). We immediately took her off the dry food and put her on canned Wellness. The nutritional deficiency was caused by a lack of selenium and vitamin D (might have been E). Anyway, the food change addressed the issues and she is a happy health 12 year old 4 years later. Nutritional deficiencies such as hers are caused by moisture or air getting to the food during processing or storage. We were feeding dry Wellness and I would dump the entire bag into tupperware containers and scoop from there. I offer food twice a day and throw out food and put out fresh bowls before the next meal. The vet teaching hospital where we went had 2 cats come in that day. The other cat was more advanced and did not survive. The 3 day dose med was probably metacam, a pain killer. This is very potent. I don't use it. I urge your friend to get her kitty to a specialist immediately. Laurie - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: o/t anyone know what weak/wobbly rear legs might mean Dear all A co-worker asked me if I had any idea what might be wrong with her cat as the treatment hasn't fixed the problem. She clearly loves her cat and is very upset. I said I didn't have an answer and would ask you wonderful guys. (Altho' my Caramel's rear legs also stopped working, Caramel was FeLV pos, tho, and it happened right before the end. My co-worker's cat is negative.) Here's her description of the problem. Thanks very much for any info or ideas you may have for her, Kerry M. The first inkling I had that something was wrong with Goomba was several weeks ago when I observed him attempting to jump up on my bathroom sink (which he usually did while I was getting ready in the morning) and he didn't make it. He never has tried again. Subsequently, he stopped jumping up on my bed at night to sleep and his demeanor became increasingly irritable. And so it was for a couple of weeks. Meanwhile, his appetite remained good and he still showed interest in going outside. My concern increased when I noticed his gait becoming wobbly and he groaned loudly when ascending steps, and hissed at any attempt by me to help him. At this point, I took him to the vet, Monday, March 31. Goomba was not a happy patient, but I left him there for some tests. They sedated him, of course, did a blood test and took an x-ray. All measurements of the blood test were within normal range. The x-ray showed his spine to be in perfect condition (I had thought the problem might have been an injury). It also showed that he has a small kidney stone, which the doctor indicated should not be causing any problems. The problem the x-ray did reveal was inflammation around his heart, so a test for heartworm was also done that test ultimately came back negative. To alleviate his symptoms, they also gave him a shot (I do not know for sure, but I believe the shot he was given was a corticosteroid. I can call and ask if such information will help.) Unfortunately, it's making him think he's mightier than he really is! I was also given three syringes of medication to be administered every other day (I believe that was for pain). He came home, was rather peppy for the following week, and even got up on a love seat one day for his nap. His last dose of this medicine was given on Saturday, April 5. He was feeling pretty good, but his condition deteriorated over the course of the week until when I came home on Friday, April 11, I thought he might be dying. His rear legs were weak, he was collapsing on them and literally dragging them along at times. This continued through the weekend, seeming to get a little worse each day. But he persists. His appetite remains strong as does his desire to go outside. On Tuesday, April 15, I got more medicine from the vet and gave it to him that morning before I left for work. When I came home, I could tell that he felt better, but his legs were still not working as they should. And that brings us to today. This morning he wanted to go outside and he ate a full meal. Following breakfast he went downstairs to use the litter box, flopping down one step at a time. It's heartbreaking to watch him work so hard; his will is so strong yet. To eliminate the possibility that this is a neurological problem, the vet suggested I perform a couple of screening tests. Based on Goomba's response, I don't think the problem is neurological. Goomba was diagnosed with fatty liver disease a couple of years ago, from which he seemingly recovered rather quickly. That was his only life-threatening illness. He is about
Re: o/t cat facial expressions
Oh, they DEFINITLY have expressions! Whenever I try to brush my Tucker (Which he HATES) or stop him from jumping on one of the other cats he glares takes out his frustration on the cat scratcher. He really ATTACKS it! At least it's not the furnature! MacKenzie wrote: = I'm just wondering, what do y'all think--do we imagine facial expressions on our cats -- and put our own interpretation on them -- or do they actually reflect a real mood?! Lynne's mention of BooBoo scowling makes me think of one of my ferals who I swear looks, in turn, frequently pissed off at me (when I won't let him mix without supervision -- he sprays), guilty (when he gets the better of me, and sprays), and disdainful (when I bring one of my tame cats to see him and his Buddy). One of my tame cats, Katyis, also has a marvellous indignant expression that he pulls on me following (to my mind) imagined slights. Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not
o/t cat facial expressions
I'm just wondering, what do y'all think--do we imagine facial expressions on our cats -- and put our own interpretation on them -- or do they actually reflect a real mood?! Lynne's mention of BooBoo scowling makes me think of one of my ferals who I swear looks, in turn, frequently pissed off at me (when I won't let him mix without supervision -- he sprays), guilty (when he gets the better of me, and sprays), and disdainful (when I bring one of my tame cats to see him and his Buddy). One of my tame cats, Katyis, also has a marvellous indignant expression that he pulls on me following (to my mind) imagined slights. Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: o/t cat facial expressions
Oh I'm sure they have facial expressions. BooBoo does not like being brought downstairs. He rules the upstairs. It's all his. We are expected to visit him up there. When we have carried him down he does a walk through then goes to the bottom of the stairs which are carpeted and just tears into the second step, all the while shooting us glances, like see what I will do if you force me down here. He claws so fiercly his bottom feet slide on the wood floor until he falls sideways. Then he goes upstairs. One day when we were upstairs and Boo was seemingly sad, I said, come here and was demonstrating how to claw a chair. Sure enough he came over and joined me, all happy shooting his side glances like saying is this right?. I know it's not a good thing to encourage clawing furniture but my cats have never done this so this is kind of funny. He doesn't do any damage anyway. Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: o/t cat facial expressions I'm just wondering, what do y'all think--do we imagine facial expressions on our cats -- and put our own interpretation on them -- or do they actually reflect a real mood?! Lynne's mention of BooBoo scowling makes me think of one of my ferals who I swear looks, in turn, frequently pissed off at me (when I won't let him mix without supervision -- he sprays), guilty (when he gets the better of me, and sprays), and disdainful (when I bring one of my tame cats to see him and his Buddy). One of my tame cats, Katyis, also has a marvellous indignant expression that he pulls on me following (to my mind) imagined slights. Kerry -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax
Re: o/t cat facial expressions
You aren't imaging anything. When the Royal Princess Kitty Katt was pissed off at me she would slap me around, march to the foot of the bed, perch like a hen, thin about it then march right back up to me and slap me around again. When Ebony Thomas Katt was learning social skills and becoming an indoor cat I gently smacked his nose when he snarled at me too many times (mother-cat style). When I left for school (he was well provided for) and came back on the first weekend, he got in my lap and snacked my nose twice--just to make sure I understood he was doing it intentionally. I could go on for a week. They have expressions and they behave intentionally. Ebony let me know when it was ok for a nephew to pet him and when it wasn't; Dixie lets me know when it is time for various things (take cover from storms, feed Hunter or PC--ferals who live at two different houses, check on whatever is on the porch etc/). Mom's ferals let her know when they are hungry, when there is a dog or fox around. I can keep on going but you get the idea. On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:53 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm just wondering, what do y'all think--do we imagine facial expressions on our cats -- and put our own interpretation on them -- or do they actually reflect a real mood?! Lynne's mention of BooBoo scowling makes me think of one of my ferals who I swear looks, in turn, frequently pissed off at me (when I won't let him mix without supervision -- he sprays), guilty (when he gets the better of me, and sprays), and disdainful (when I bring one of my tame cats to see him and his Buddy). One of my tame cats, Katyis, also has a marvellous indignant expression that he pulls on me following (to my mind) imagined slights. Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any
RE: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t
Hey Tamara I'm just dipping in here...haven't read anything else today yetbut I love the story of how you looked after your little goldfish for 3 years--just read it out to my co-worker--Tamara, weren't you the listmember who had some children's book ideas up her sleevemy co-worker reckons (as I do) that the goldfish who couldn't swim would make a great book! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris Thanks Chris! I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep him. Romeo is a good name for him! Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we are treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the apt. I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully is prone to urine infections crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. HAI really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends who feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket Walmart brand food)let them come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't float to save his life! Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well! Thanks again for the support! Take care God Bless. T Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective. Tamara I were both looking for someplace for one of our cats-she for Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to compare notes I remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte at this, I so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was. I sort of had to take stranger's word that they were going to take care of BB as well as I would have! In these 'travels' looking for a new home for BB, I ran across some pretty scary people. One local guy was the 'collector' for FELV+ cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his home simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked to him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been wonderful, but who knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he was-how could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had never been there??? As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also overloaded-going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search w. my Katrina work, has shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their foster--many don't even have a home visit to begin with-much less a visit after they receive animals. I know that most fosters are GREAT situations-but it only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody. Tamara's heads up to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly saved me from making what could have been a bad placement for him... Over the last few years, I've looked to this group for so much-and found that everybody could be open honest here. We need to give each other some clues when something doesn't seem quite right... So Tamara, thank you from me and from BB (who by the way is now Romeo and sprawled out on my bed-so much for rehoming!) Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a
RE: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t
Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end
well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change thathehe..hmm...should I
begin that career by lying to children...HA!
I'll think about it. Thanks! ;-)
MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Tamara
I'm just dipping in here...haven't read anything else today yetbut I love
the story of how you looked after your little goldfish for 3 years--just read
it out to my co-worker--Tamara, weren't you the listmember who had some
children's book ideas up her sleevemy co-worker reckons (as I do) that the
goldfish who couldn't swim would make a great book!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris
Thanks Chris!
I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep
him. Romeo is a good name for him!
Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we are
treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my
female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having
had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs
heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three
stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the
apt. I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one
anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully
is prone to urine infections crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet
ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever.
HAI really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends who
feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket Walmart brand food)let them
come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals
human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a
special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain
tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a
diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that
couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of
the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't
float to save his life!
Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well! Thanks
again for the support! Take care God Bless.
T
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Havent chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective.
Tamara I were both looking for someplace for one of our catsshe for
Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to compare notes I
remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte at this, I so
appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. I
remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was. I sort
of had to take strangers word that they were going to take care of BB as well
as I would have! In these travels looking for a new home for BB, I ran
across some pretty scary people. One local guy was the collector for FELV+
cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his
home simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked to
him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone
even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been wonderful, but who
knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he washow could responsible
rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had
never been there???
As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also
overloadedgoing to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor
those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search w. my Katrina work, has
shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their
Re: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t
heck, everyone ELSE lies to children. On 2/6/07, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change thathehe..hmm...should I begin that career by lying to children...HA! I'll think about it. Thanks! ;-) MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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HEHEE... hey, LOVE that qote of your's...I Just took notice of it: Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heck, everyone ELSE lies to children. On 2/6/07, tamara stickler wrote: Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change thathehe..hmm...should I begin that career by lying to children...HA! I'll think about it. Thanks! ;-) MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
o/t FIV
I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Come over to the FIV group at http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIVCats2/?yguid=11572739 Even if she is FIV+ it is likely she will live to be an old lady of a cat and never show any symptoms at all. But the notation you mention doesn't make any sense to me. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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That doesn't make any sense to me Kerry. How can she test neg, but still possibly be pos?? What vet was this that made that notation? You could call the office and ask to fax the report. Even if the vet doesn't remember the specific case, they should be able to tell you what the heck he might have meant by that. That said, I wouldn't worry one little bit about the possibility of Momcat having fiv. I certainly wouldn't put her through the great cat round up just to have her retested. Did you read all those comforting posts about my Star when he tested pos for fiv? Seriously, if she has been acting and feeling healthy all this time, I'd suggest you put those reports back in the file and not worry about it. Having the thought in the back of your mind, (where it belongs in mho), will serve to keep you vigilant to her health concerns, that's not a bad thing. I know you already do that anyway. Didn't you just bring her in for testing in preparation for her possible relocation to the UK? I would think that one of the tests that would be run, would be for fiv. Go take a look at the latest reports, or call the vet you just brought her to. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was *FIV* POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: o/t FIV
If it's the Elisa test, they base on on eyeballing the little circle that appears. If they think they see a faint coloration, might still call it FIV-Neg, but it's maybe really a faint positive. So it can be rather subjective.. Gloria - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: o/t FIV Come over to the FIV group at http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIVCats2/?yguid=11572739 Even if she is FIV+ it is likely she will live to be an old lady of a cat and never show any symptoms at all. But the notation you mention doesn't make any sense to me. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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it's quite possible for a snap test to be a faint positive--and tho the estimates of false positives for FeLV on snap tests range from 20-80% (thanks, susan), they're generally held to be AT LEAST 40% inaccurate for FIV. no sanctuary or rescue working with FIVs considers a cat to be positive without a confirmatory western blot test. most cats with FIV die WITH the virus, not from it--usually at a ripe old age. many cats are first diagnosed at an advanced age when something else has gone wrong and are just being tested for everything as a matter of course. as it's only transmitted by DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS (like those inflicted by testosterone-crazed toms fighting over girls), any housecat of a certain age that's been indoors most of its life has probably thus been positive for years On 2/1/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't make any sense to me Kerry. How can she test neg, but still possibly be pos?? What vet was this that made that notation? You could call the office and ask to fax the report. Even if the vet doesn't remember the specific case, they should be able to tell you what the heck he might have meant by that. That said, I wouldn't worry one little bit about the possibility of Momcat having fiv. I certainly wouldn't put her through the great cat round up just to have her retested. Did you read all those comforting posts about my Star when he tested pos for fiv? Seriously, if she has been acting and feeling healthy all this time, I'd suggest you put those reports back in the file and not worry about it. Having the thought in the back of your mind, (where it belongs in mho), will serve to keep you vigilant to her health concerns, that's not a bad thing. I know you already do that anyway. Didn't you just bring her in for testing in preparation for her possible relocation to the UK? I would think that one of the tests that would be run, would be for fiv. Go take a look at the latest reports, or call the vet you just brought her to. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: o/t FIV
Thank you Gloria, if that's indeed what went on, it makes more sense. Why didn't the guy just say, faint pos? Sometimes I think they are purposely trying to make us crazy. Either that or they have very little faith in our ability to understand the complexities. It makes me wonder just how much of a concern this must have been to the vet, since he didn't point it out at the time. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: If it's the Elisa test, they base on on eyeballing the little circle that appears. If they think they see a faint coloration, might still call it FIV-Neg, but it's maybe really a faint positive. So it can be rather subjective.. Gloria
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_ From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:49 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: o/t FIV I wouldn't worry, either, -- Kerry - I have to say out and loud.. FIV ELISA test is not reliable at all - I have had 5 cats already for the past 4 years and tested positive on ELISA and was negative (false positive) -- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t FIV That doesn't make any sense to me Kerry. How can she test neg, but still possibly be pos?? What vet was this that made that notation? You could call the office and ask to fax the report. Even if the vet doesn't remember the specific case, they should be able to tell you what the heck he might have meant by that. That said, I wouldn't worry one little bit about the possibility of Momcat having fiv. I certainly wouldn't put her through the great cat round up just to have her retested. Did you read all those comforting posts about my Star when he tested pos for fiv? Seriously, if she has been acting and feeling healthy all this time, I'd suggest you put those reports back in the file and not worry about it. Having the thought in the back of your mind, (where it belongs in mho), will serve to keep you vigilant to her health concerns, that's not a bad thing. I know you already do that anyway. Didn't you just bring her in for testing in preparation for her possible relocation to the UK? I would think that one of the tests that would be run, would be for fiv. Go take a look at the latest reports, or call the vet you just brought her to. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I was shocked last night, going thru old papers, to see a comment written on Momcat's notes in 2003, made by the vet who tested all six of my ferals for FeLV and FIV. The chart said that Momcat had (alone of the six) tested negative for FELV/FIV but the asterisked comment said that she POSSIBLY was FIV POSITIVE. I think that the news that the other 5 had tested FeLV positive must have put this possibly FIV positive comment right out of my head. Anyway, now my Q is: how can a cat test FIV neg but possibly be positive in reality. What symptoms might she show now, 3 years on? Can you guys recommend a website in case she is positive. (Because she's feral, it will probably be a couple of weeks before I can catch/have her tested.) Thanks Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Thanks Susan, MC, Gloria, Nina---you guys are great! Agree Nina---I did email my vet, in hopes that testing is taking place right now (her blood was drawn again a couple of weeks ago to be re-sent out for Pet Passport--I don't expect to get result for 2 more weeks) but haven't heard back yet (trying to avoid calling the office as it means relaying verbally to the receptionist) and I'd rather speak to vet directly. I also had she and Mickey re-tested for Felv last may, and asked him in the same email if that test included FIV. It was the PAWS shelter vet that made the note. Not inclined to call them. I'm sure glad I don't have to get psyched up immediately again for the great round-up. MC: she's pretty lazy (tho not fat), is about 4 (tested at 1 year--we're guessing her age but she wasn't a kitten when tested) and LOOKS cuddly but because she remains resolutely feral the ONLY time I've been able to cuddle her in 3 years was 2 weeks ago after she escaped en route to vet and was tranxed after we found her--but as Nina rightly pointed out that cuddle time doesn't count in terms of her becoming tamer since, being tranxed, she had no ??? motor function, was that the term you used?! She's never shown any symptoms of being sick, ever. Not even a cold. Thanks again everyone, will let you know outcome Kerryxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t FIV Thank you Gloria, if that's indeed what went on, it makes more sense. Why didn't the guy just say, faint pos? Sometimes I think they are purposely trying to make us crazy. Either that or they have very little faith in our ability to understand the complexities. It makes me wonder just how much of a concern this must have been to the vet, since he didn't point it out at the time. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: If it's the Elisa test, they base on on eyeballing the little circle that appears. If they think they see a faint coloration, might still call it FIV-Neg, but it's maybe really a faint positive. So it can be rather subjective.. Gloria IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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FIV is relatively harmless. Unless she is showing symptoms, then I wouldn't treat her any differently. My website has lots if FIV links. http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
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Thanks Phaewryn---MC sent it already---what a wonderful website you've created! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t FIV FIV is relatively harmless. Unless she is showing symptoms, then I wouldn't treat her any differently. My website has lots if FIV links. http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Thanks, I try really hard to be useful! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
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Helene, I'm way behind on my email and hope this post finds Delilah feeling better and eating more. tonya Helene Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all, I don't communicate nearly as often as I should, but I read the posts and keep up with you guys. My 16 year old siamese, Delilah,is not eating well at all- her son, Sammy died this summer as a result of FELV-he lived to be 15, though!!! with many thanks to advice and love on this list- so she is still grieving for him. She only weighs 6 pounds and is very petite.I give her any canned food she will eat-she has sworn off of her dry science diet, etc. At this point, she only likes certain few fancy feast turkey and chicken mixtures, and (people) bumblebee tuna, and beechnut baby chicken and turkey and beef meats. (no onion). Canned chicken, too. I have an array of foods in the cabinet for her!! Also likes Tyson's already cooked chicken breasts which we share. The vet has suggested cyproheptadine (periactin- an antihistimine) as an appetite stimulant 2 mg. twice daily. She is also on tapizole 2 mg. 2 times daily for hyperthyroidism. Her coat looks great, now, and no knobby spine!! She absolutely hates being pilled. I have to mummy her. I am trying the pill pouches, -she hates them,too- I have the tapizole in pill form, also in a transdermal gel, but her ears are looking inflamed on the inside from the gel, so stopped that. Now I have ordered the tapizole in a suspension from an on line vet. pharmacy in Texas. I have a good compounding pharmacy locally, but they do not make the tapizole in a suspension. My question is, has anyone tried periactin for an appetite stimulant?? She has been on it 4 days and is eating better, I think. Are there any side effects? Any suggestions? Stumbled across this link by accident, and found alot of little nuggets of info., so wanted to share. Helene http://www.thensome.com/cats.htm
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Valium tablets work too. I can't remember the dose though. I would try some Nutrical and some Just Born for supplements. Also try fried chicken mixed with whatever food she needs to eat. As people grow older their sense of smell decreases. It may be the same with the cats. Also try Rescue Remedy and Feliway. There is a Bach remedy for grief. You'll have to check the internet or a good store for the name though. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: O/T I've never tried periactin. I do believe that injected valium (I'm pretty sure it's valium I am thinking of) is a great appetite stimulant, but... it's an injection, so it's something you have to go to the vet for, thus, not good for anything long term. I do think you should try it, you don't really have anything to lose. The next step would be either syringe feeding or tube feeding. Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
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Can humans take that bach remedy for grief? Does it just sedate you, or actually help you to work through the process somehow? Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
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I've used the remedy stuff before for Mr. Kitten and myself. The place I got it was just a regular nutrition store so I figured it was safe for me too. However, it doesn't taste that great and I didn't really feel much different, but who knows, maybe I didn't take enough, or maybe I was too relaxed in the first place, haha. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 2:13 PM Subject: Re: O/T Can humans take that bach remedy for grief? Does it just sedate you, or actually help you to work through the process somehow? Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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Yes they can and I have. It has no sedative effect at alljust sort of lets you work thru the grief. I don't know how it works but it does work for me. White Chestnut helps with reoccurring thoughts too. Please try the remedies.you have been thru so much. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: O/T Can humans take that bach remedy for grief? Does it just sedate you, or actually help you to work through the process somehow? Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
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*Here's the site that tells about them: http://www.bachcentre.com/centre/remedies.htm* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used the remedy stuff before for Mr. Kitten and myself. The place I got it was just a regular nutrition store so I figured it was safe for me too. However, it doesn't taste that great and I didn't really feel much different, but who knows, maybe I didn't take enough, or maybe I was too relaxed in the first place, haha. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 2:13 PM Subject: Re: O/T Can humans take that bach remedy for grief? Does it just sedate you, or actually help you to work through the process somehow? Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight -- *Check out the new AOL*http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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thanks guys! working on that new year resolution... Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
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Bandy was getting transdermal oxazepam for appetite stimulant..It worked great even when he had a fever..He could get it up to 3 times a day...I also have Inky (20 yr. old) on it when he doesn't eat well..There haven't been any ill effects with this..It works great for Inky, too. Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hi, all, I don't communicate nearly as often as I should, but I read the posts and keep up with you guys. My 16 year old siamese, Delilah,is not eating well at all- her son, Sammy died this summer as a result of FELV-he lived to be 15, though!!! with many thanks to advice and love on this list- so she is still grieving for him. She only weighs 6 pounds and is very petite.I give her any canned food she will eat-she has sworn off of her dry science diet, etc. At this point, she only likes certain few fancy feast turkey and chicken mixtures, and (people) bumblebee tuna, and beechnut baby chicken and turkey and beef meats. (no onion). Canned chicken, too. I have an array of foods in the cabinet for her!! Also likes Tyson's already cooked chicken breasts which we share. The vet has suggested cyproheptadine (periactin- an antihistimine) as an appetite stimulant 2 mg. twice daily. She is also on tapizole 2 mg. 2 times daily for hyperthyroidism. Her coat looks great, now, and no knobby spine!! She absolutely hates being pilled. I have to mummy her. I am trying the pill pouches, -she hates them,too- I have the tapizole in pill form, also in a transdermal gel, but her ears are looking inflamed on the inside from the gel, so stopped that. Now I have ordered the tapizole in a suspension from an on line vet. pharmacy in Texas. I have a good compounding pharmacy locally, but they do not make the tapizole in a suspension. My question is, has anyone tried periactin for an appetite stimulant?? She has been on it 4 days and is eating better, I think. Are there any side effects? Any suggestions? Stumbled across this link by accident, and found alot of little nuggets of info., so wanted to share. Helene http://www.thensome.com/cats.htm
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I've never tried periactin. I do believe that injected valium (I'm pretty sure it's valium I am thinking of) is a great appetite stimulant, but... it's an injection, so it's something you have to go to the vet for, thus, not good for anything long term. I do think you should try it, you don't really have anything to lose. The next step would be either syringe feeding or tube feeding. Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
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I have heard this from more than one source. It just came up recently on the CRF list. Do not use *valium* in cats unless absolutely necessary and expressly ordered by a veterinarian. *Valium* has been reported to cause *liver* failure in cats. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats/browse_thread/thread/870b38fb07d5df6f/ About 3/4 of the way down. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Another source: One of the most commonly used drugs by veterinarians is Valium. With this drug, 75% of the cats treated reduce or stop inappropriate elimination. However, Valium is no longer considered to be the drug of choice. Recent reports of using Valium have revealed severe and fatal liver disease in cats. If used, it should be given in low doses so there won’t be any problems with a cat becoming addicted. About 3/4 of the way down: http://www.petcaretips.net/cat_elimination_problems.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Still more: The other common anti-convulsant used in cats is oral diazepam http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/diazepam-valium/page1.aspx or valium given three times a day. Oral diazepam has been linked to a very rare but fatal idiosyncratic hepatic failure. Most veterinarians will avoid this drug in cats if possible. If your cat is on this drug with no problems, it is not necessary to change the medication unless your cat has liver problems like anorexia, vomiting or abdominal pain. http://www.petplace.com/cats/idiopathic-epilepsy-in-cats/page3.aspx A little over half way down. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thank you both, Phaewryn and Belinda(Hi! Belinda, I remember you well-you added Sam's name to the Rainbow Bridge list this past July; thank you...)anyhow, .I am concerned that the periactin might cause drowsiness,as some antihistimines do in people. Sam was on winstrol for a long time for his appetite; it is an anabolic steroid, and worked well. I frankly did not think about it for Delilah before ordering the periactinHelene _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: O/T I've never tried periactin. I do believe that injected valium (I'm pretty sure it's valium I am thinking of) is a great appetite stimulant, but... it's an injection, so it's something you have to go to the vet for, thus, not good for anything long term. I do think you should try it, you don't really have anything to lose. The next step would be either syringe feeding or tube feeding. Phaewryn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight __ NOD32 1.1430 (20060304) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com
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Well, that's bad! I think she's looking for something more long term and orally dosable anyways though. They do make cat restraint bags, should you ever come to a point where you have to pill her. http://www.klaw-kontrol.com/ (the best) http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATSCategory=295 (the cheap rip-off) Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
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I have had periactin prescribed for two cats recently. It increased appetite in one but not the other. (It was prescribed for congestion). I did not notice increased drowsiness in either, but I suspect it has different effects on different cats. On 1/5/07, Helene Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you both, Phaewryn and Belinda(Hi! Belinda, I remember you well-you added Sam's name to the Rainbow Bridge list this past July; thank you...)anyhow, .I am concerned that the periactin might cause drowsiness,as some antihistimines do in people. Sam was on *winstrol* for a long time for his appetite; it is an anabolic steroid, and worked well. I frankly did not think about it for Delilah before ordering the periactinHelene -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, January 05, 2007 6:16 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: O/T I've never tried periactin. I do believe that injected valium (I'm pretty sure it's valium I am thinking of) is a great appetite stimulant, but... it's an injection, so it's something you have to go to the vet for, thus, not good for anything long term. I do think you should try it, you don't really have anything to lose. The next step would be either syringe feeding or tube feeding. Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight __ NOD32 1.1430 (20060304) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Some cats get almost comatose from it. Two of mine have. Others are fine with it, though. Two of mine just had stimulated appetites with no side effects. In a message dated 1/5/2007 8:23:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .I am concerned that the periactin might cause drowsiness,as some antihistimines do in people.
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At 05:45 PM 1/5/2007, you wrote: I have used all three, Ciproheptadine, (Periactin) ...Valuim and Winstrol, Winstrol also improves the entire feeling of well being. But not generally used just for appetite stimulation, does have a lot of long term side effects, I use Periactin and Valuim. I do tend to prefer the Periactin, I keep the dose down to minimal effective dose and do not use too regularly, Both Periactin and Valuim cause sleepiness, There seems to be more problems with balance and coordination with the valuim. those are my experiences, Kelly I have had periactin prescribed for two cats recently. It increased appetite in one but not the other. (It was prescribed for congestion). I did not notice increased drowsiness in either, but I suspect it has different effects on different cats. On 1/5/07, Helene Hand mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you both, Phaewryn and Belinda(Hi! Belinda, I remember you well-you added Sam's name to the Rainbow Bridge list this past July; thank you...)anyhow, .I am concerned that the periactin might cause drowsiness,as some antihistimines do in people. Sam was on winstrol for a long time for his appetite; it is an anabolic steroid, and worked well. I frankly did not think about it for Delilah before ordering the periactinHelene -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:16 PM To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: O/T I've never tried periactin. I do believe that injected valium (I'm pretty sure it's valium I am thinking of) is a great appetite stimulant, but... it's an injection, so it's something you have to go to the vet for, thus, not good for anything long term. I do think you should try it, you don't really have anything to lose. The next step would be either syringe feeding or tube feeding. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight __ NOD32 1.1430 (20060304) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com/http://www.nod32.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007
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Sheila,I'm so sorry. This recently happened with my sister's dog. He was fine one minute and then lay down and was dead. I know it's devastating. As much as I hate illnesses like felv I think it's best when you're prepared and more heartwrenching when things like this happen so suddenly without warning. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ?
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Sheila, I'm so sorry about little Ginger. I am glad that she went quickly and painlessly; that is always a blessing in disguise. Prayers going out to you for comfort. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a sudden heart attack lying at my feet at the dinner table. It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered. I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/)
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I am so sorry you lost your baby Ginger. I know how hard it is to lose a precious one, and having had her in your life so long. May the memories you have of her comfort you through this time.Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ?Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ?
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Sheila, I'm so sorry. Here are the gentlest of Bridge vibes for your sweet girl, and hugs to you. It's wonderful that she went so quickly and painlessly, at your feet. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:02 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: O/T Ginger At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ? This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Shiela I am so sorry to hear about your sweet Ginger,to lose her so quick.Good thoughts and healing prayers to you and yours.Hugs to you. Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ? Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates.
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I'm so sorry for your loss. On 10/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sheila, I'm so sorry to hear about Ginger. Regardless of what I have been through on Dukee I still respond to postings of whether they are cat or dog. Remember beauty is in the eyes of the beholder so it doesn't matter what others think! You are in my thoughts and prayers! In a message dated 10/31/2006 8:02:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ? Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/ -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Sheila, I am so sorry. GLOW to light her path and ease your heart...Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:02:04 AMSubject: O/T Ginger At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ?
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I am so sorry for your loss, Sheila. I will be praying. elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:02 AM Subject: O/T Ginger At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ? Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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I'm sorry Sheila, I've added your sweet Ginger to the CLS. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I am so sorry about Ginger. It is hard when we lose any of our babies but when you have had one that long it is especially hard. When I was around 9 or 10 years old I got a cat I named Thomaseena. She died when I was 26 and it felt like she took a part of me with her. It is so hard to say good-bye to our friends that have been with us for so long. I know your heart must be broken. You and your family are in my prayers. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a sudden heart attack lying at my feet at the dinner table. It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered. I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/)
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Title: Message I'm so sorry Sheila. You must miss your little Ginger terribly. I'm glad she found you all those years ago, and I'm also glad she didn't suffer. Sending healing vibes to you and your family, hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:02 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: O/T Ginger At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ? IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Sheila, I'm sorry to hear about your Princess Ginger. I always shake my head in wonder at the people that abandoned the animals that come to live with me. I feel pity imagining their ignorance about how special they are and how much joy and companionship they missed out on. You, however, know better. May you soon be smiling through your tears at the memories of your gift from Heaven, a sweet, magical little "brown mutt" called Ginger. Comfort to you in your sorrow, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:20 yesterday I lost my sweet girl Ginger .She had been with us for 15 years. Someone dumped her in my yard as a baby and she has been my protector ever since. Some people would call her a brown mixed mutt but to me she was a princess. She had a suddenheart attacklying at my feet at thedinner table.It all happened very quick I don't think she suffered.I know this site is for our kitties but I wanted my friends to know and to pray for our hearts to heal. Thank you. Sheila PS, can you add her to the CLS ?
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Ok, I'll throw my in story too:I'm "fostering" another adult stray...that no one wants. A grey and brown tabby male, healthy and lovable, neg. on felv and fip, but a powerful boy. (Only cat I've ever known that likes to play tug-o-war...and I don't me little tugs, I mean full out pitbull-like tug-o-war). He just isn't remarkable looking and everyone...youall say it with me now, "wants a kitten!". Anyhow, when I brought Coebeio into the house 7 years ago...Quintapus never hissed! He fluffed a bit, but generally he was a real gentleman and not opposed to sharing his home with another animal, dog or cat. Whereas...the long time adult stray, Coebeio hissed at EVERYONE...both dog and cat. It took a good 6 months to incorporate her...to where I could trust her not to body slam poor Quintapus, or hiss and swipe at the dog (poo-rin terrior),Schatzi. Quint and Coey eventually became fast friends, even curling up against each other and grooming each other (after about 1-a year and a half).After Quintie died, I decided to foster a friend of my dog's - Tobias-Rat (a yorkshire terrorist), who was getting kicked to the curb by his elderly owner. Schatzi once again had no problem with the new animal, but Coebeio was TICKED. It took her a good 5 months to realize that he wasn't going to eat her (afterall she IS bigger!)...and it took Rat a good 8 months to figure out that Coebeio really was above him in the pecking order. They are now good friends and enjoy playing "hunt-the-yorkie!" to Rat's extreme pleasure (any attention is good attention).Now that Mica (the new foster) is in the house,Coey again absolutely HATES him...partly because the first time I let him out with uswell he ignored her for starters, but she kept HISSING at him so eventually he got tired of it and got in her her face. Rat TRIED to play peacekeeper by staying in between them, but even he knew when to back out of it (thank God). Coey fled under the bed andMica hunted her ...even after she nailed him good a few times in the face, the idiot STILL tried to get under with her...I've seen him beat the tar out of a cat in his LAST foster home..which is why he lost it...so I have to be careful because, of course, my loyalties lay first with Coey.So now we are back to baby-gates stacked up across the doorway to my once studio, which has now become Mica's bachleor pad, and I am exchanging bedding, spraying the feliwayall that fun stuff in the hopes that EVENTUALLY I can incorporate him. As it currently stands, Coebeio absolutely HATES him, Schatzi is indifferent, and Rat thinks I got him for his own personal toy (they play with each other through the gate for hours on end).Tell your former foster's caregivers that it is HARD to introduce another pet, esp. a cat into a household with other cats. But you need to give it at least 6 months for everything to run smoothly.By-the-by everyone...GREAT TIPS along this thread! I'll be incorporating a few more into my current battle as well!THANKS ALL! TPeggy Ankney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Were having similar problems with Montana and Scooter. Scooter is our new adopted FeLV+ kitty, and before Scooter came to us, Montana pretty much slept on our bed at night, hung out with me while I was working, and generally was the boss of the place. Years ago, when I adopted Karma, they fought (hissing and some batting) but eventually became civil enough to both sleep on the same bed at night (much to my husbands dismay at times!). But now that Scooter is here, Montana is making himself scarce, and I do worry about him. Hes a big baby, and I dont want him to feel unwelcome in his own house, but at the same time, Scooter needs us. Part of the problem is that Scooter is so young and playful and shows no fear of the others, but they just dont like him yet. Hes not exactly working hard to gain friendship either - if Montana is sleeping in a chair, Scooter will approach the chair, Montana will growl a warning, Scooter will continue approaching, and eventually theres hissing and batting. (I am slightly worried about the hissing, but its mostly by Montana, who is negative, as Ive yet to see Scooter hiss at either cat.) So at times its less than peaceful and although its hard for me to see Montana avoiding being inside, and I miss him at night, I know that eventually they will all learn to get along. Maybe if Molly knows that other people who take in cats have to go through the same sometimes painful period of adjustment, shell be willing to give Katya another chance. I hope so! -Peggy and JR Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
Hi all I just got an email from the adopter (Molly)of my former foster cat (Katya). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat, Amber. Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this. All ideas gratefully received. Kerry Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better. I basically didn't see Amber for two days. She didn't come out from underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box. Now she sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there. I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to roam a bit, but she doesn't. I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath the bed. It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat. I'm sad on so many levels. I don't think I can keep Katya... I just don't know what to do anymore. Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call tonight. Right now, I just keep crying. I'm so heartbroken, but I don't know what else to do. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
Kerry, It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start... Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over. Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day, swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla dabbed on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the same, and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water (in addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take time. Do you think Molly will be open to this or does she think it's too late to start over? Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500 From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat Hi all I just got an email from the adopter (Molly)of my former foster cat (Katya). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat, Amber. Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this. All ideas gratefully received. Kerry Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better. I basically didn't see Amber for two days. She didn't come out from underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box. Now she sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there. I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to roam a bit, but she doesn't. I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath the bed. It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat. I'm sad on so many levels. I don't think I can keep Katya... I just don't know what to do anymore. Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call tonight. Right now, I just keep crying. I'm so heartbroken, but I don't know what else to do. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
Kerry, I feel for Molly and the cats. Maybe you can help her to understand that it's not uncommon for acclimation to new homes with adult cats to take months not days or even weeks. I would suggest she go back a few steps and confine Katya to a bathroom with a screen door. Tell her to shower Amber with attention. Amber will soon realize that she has nothing to fear from a Katya and relax back into her old behaviors. Katya might be unhappy about this new development, but tell Molly to not feel guilty about this. She will be providing the best chance for Katya to keep her new home and not have to go through the distress of bouncing from foster to placement again, (a far harsher fate). Poor Katya has been through enough upheaval, enough people have let her down, try to convince Molly that she will be her savior if she sticks by her long enough to help her fit in. When she wants to give Katya some freedom and attention, just have her put Amber in her bedroom and shut the door. She can give Katya exercise periods the same time everyday and the cats will soon realize the pattern and not stress out about it. If she really wants to speed the process along, she can invest, or borrow a 3' x 2' wire cage for Katya. After Amber is once again feeling comfortable in her home, she can put Katya in the cage in the living room, or bedroom, or wherever, to give them a better opportunity to get used to each other without threat. Tell her to put a small litter box, a bed, food and water in Katya's cage to help her feel more comfortable. I've told you, (and the list) about our resident PTSD kitty, Matilda, (remember Matilda the Hun?). Well, even I, who have sworn to never say never again, was having my doubts that Matilda would ever get over her fears and be safe enough to mix with my household. Unlike Katya, Matilda poses a real danger to others, humans and animals alike. I keep her segregated, (it's been a couple of months now), in the bedroom during the day, (screen door so she can see the activity), and in a cage by my bed at night. I bought a service cart to put the cage on and I've been wheeling Matilda out into the kitchen when I make everyone's dinner and into the living room to watch TV with us all at night before bed. It's made a difference. At first her eyes were wide as saucers watching all the dogs and cats parade under her cage. Now she's relaxed for the most part. If she gets stressed, I wheel her back to the bedroom and she calms down. I also drape a sheet over part of the cage so she has a place to retreat to. Anyway, a couple of days ago I let Matilda loose in the bedroom thinking everyone else was out of there. About an hour later I noticed Timmy standing by the screen door waiting to be let out. There was Matilda just two feet away, looking scared, but not attacking him, (I tell you this is huge progress!). Idiot that I am, I did the same thing this morning with Kimba Cat. Again, Matilda did not attack him, she just huddled in the corner and watched and waited while I let Kimba out. Please tell Molly that there is hope. If she's willing to do what's necessary and give these guys time to adjust, I'm sure they will figure out a way to not only coexist, but that having another animal of their own species has it's benefits. If she's willing to try segregating them again, encourage her to put a time limit on the experiment. That will help her to keep her resolve when she gets discouraged. Try for 3 months. I promise you, she'll start to see progress much sooner than that. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all I just got an email from the adopter (Molly)of my former foster cat (Katya). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat, Amber. Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this. All ideas gratefully received. Kerry
Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
All really good ideas. I forgot to mention that Matilda gets RR and
Oregon grape fe in her water.
Nina
Kat wrote:
Kerry,
It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start...
Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over.
Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day,
swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla dabbed
on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the same,
and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water (in
addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take time.
Do you think "Molly" will be open to this or does she think it's too
late to start over?
Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500
From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
Hi all
I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my former foster cat
("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see
below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about
to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat,
"Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting
around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a
heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be
better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly
tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe
that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a
couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this.
All ideas gratefully received.
Kerry
Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better. I
basically didn't see Amber for two days. She didn't come out from
underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box. Now she
sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there.
I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to
roam a bit, but she doesn't. I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see
Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath
the bed. It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat.
I'm sad on so many levels. I don't think I can keep Katya... I just
don't know what to do anymore. Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call
tonight. Right now, I just keep crying. I'm so heartbroken, but I
don't know what else to do.
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Title: Message
Thanks
so much Nina Kat. You're gems. Have passed on these great ideas, and will
be speaking to her tonight. Fingers crossed.
(Nina,
what's grape fe?)
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:12
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t ideas
please for my ex-foster catAll really good ideas. I
forgot to mention that Matilda gets RR and Oregon grape fe in her
water.NinaKat wrote:
Kerry,
It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start...
Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over.
Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day,
swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla dabbed
on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the same,
and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water (in
addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take time.
Do you think "Molly" will be open to this or does she think it's too
late to start over?
Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500
From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
Hi all
I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my former foster cat
("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see
below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about
to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat,
"Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting
around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a
heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be
better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly
tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe
that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a
couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this.
All ideas gratefully received.
Kerry
Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better. I
basically didn't see Amber for two days. She didn't come out from
underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box. Now she
sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there.
I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to
roam a bit, but she doesn't. I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see
Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath
the bed. It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat.
I'm sad on so many levels. I don't think I can keep Katya... I just
don't know what to do anymore. Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call
tonight. Right now, I just keep crying. I'm so heartbroken, but I
don't know what else to do.
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Kerry, Oregon Grape Flower Essence There is a small overview pertaining to cats at http://www.holisticat.com/fes.html Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:30:39 -0500 From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat Thanks so much Nina Kat. You're gems. Have passed on these great ideas, and will be speaking to her tonight. Fingers crossed. (Nina, what's grape fe?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat All really good ideas. I forgot to mention that Matilda gets RR and Oregon grape fe in her water. Nina Kat wrote: Kerry, It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start... Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over. Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day, swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla dabbed on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the same, and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water (in addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take time. Do you think Molly will be open to this or does she think it's too late to start over? Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500 From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat Hi all I just got an email from the adopter (Molly)of my former foster cat (Katya). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat, Amber. Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this. All ideas gratefully received. Kerry Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better. I basically didn't see Amber for two days. She didn't come out from underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box. Now she sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there. I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to roam a bit, but she doesn't. I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath the bed. It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat. I'm sad on so many levels. I don't think I can keep Katya... I just don't know what to do anymore. Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call tonight. Right now, I just keep crying. I'm so heartbroken, but I don't know what else to do. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named
RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
Thanks Kat--I may get some Oregon Grape for my own cats. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat Kerry, Oregon Grape Flower Essence There is a small overview pertaining to cats at http://www.holisticat.com/fes.html Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:30:39 -0500 From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat Thanks so much Nina Kat. You're gems. Have passed on these great ideas, and will be speaking to her tonight. Fingers crossed. (Nina, what's grape fe?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat All really good ideas. I forgot to mention that Matilda gets RR and Oregon grape fe in her water. Nina Kat wrote: Kerry, It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start... Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over. Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day, swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla dabbed on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the same, and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water (in addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take time. Do you think Molly will be open to this or does she think it's too late to start over? Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500 From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat Hi all I just got an email from the adopter (Molly)of my former foster cat (Katya). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat, Amber. Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this. All ideas gratefully received. Kerry Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better. I basically didn't see Amber for two days. She didn't come out from underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box. Now she sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there. I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to roam a bit, but she doesn't. I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath the bed. It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat. I'm sad on so many levels. I don't think I can keep Katya... I just don't know what to do anymore. Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call tonight. Right now, I just keep crying. I'm so heartbroken, but I don't know what else to do. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from
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Were having similar problems with Montana and Scooter. Scooter is our new adopted FeLV+ kitty, and before Scooter came to us, Montana pretty much slept on our bed at night, hung out with me while I was working, and generally was the boss of the place. Years ago, when I adopted Karma, they fought (hissing and some batting) but eventually became civil enough to both sleep on the same bed at night (much to my husbands dismay at times!). But now that Scooter is here, Montana is making himself scarce, and I do worry about him. Hes a big baby, and I dont want him to feel unwelcome in his own house, but at the same time, Scooter needs us. Part of the problem is that Scooter is so young and playful and shows no fear of the others, but they just dont like him yet. Hes not exactly working hard to gain friendship either - if Montana is sleeping in a chair, Scooter will approach the chair, Montana will growl a warning, Scooter will continue approaching, and eventually theres hissing and batting. (I am slightly worried about the hissing, but its mostly by Montana, who is negative, as Ive yet to see Scooter hiss at either cat.) So at times its less than peaceful and although its hard for me to see Montana avoiding being inside, and I miss him at night, I know that eventually they will all learn to get along. Maybe if Molly knows that other people who take in cats have to go through the same sometimes painful period of adjustment, shell be willing to give Katya another chance. I hope so! -Peggy and JR
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kerry, is the blood red blood on the outside of the stool or is the stool black? if it is the former, the combination of symptoms could be ibd. michelle In a message dated 10/17/2006 6:42:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone Please know that though I'm not able to be on the list all the time at present, and have to go away again soon, all your furbabies are always in my thoughts, and I especially send positive thoughts for those that aren't doing so well. As always, I send my condolences to everyone who has lost a beloved kitty. My beloved foster cat, Kitty,who went to her new home a few weeks ago, while being treated at the same time for diarrhea, has had a recurrence of the same symptoms, and I'm worried about her. Here's what her new mom says: "She is vomiting clear liquid, not eating as much and there was a small amt of blood in her stool this morning too. I talked with Robin (from PAWS) and she said the thing that worried her the most was the lack of appetite. I called my vet and she said the same thing, we're going to go in on Thurs AM and run the full gamet of tests- just to be on the safe side. Although, Robin mentioned this was the same type of symptoms she had before with you. True? The Vet wasn't worried so much and thought theThursday time was fine enough unless things seem to worsen. like I said she's still hydrated, I've seen her drink and she's been playing." Does anyone have any idea what these symptoms may mean? She did have all those symptoms while with me (I rushed her to the vet). Also, can someone confirm what I believe to be the case: that it's unsafe for a cat to go even one day without eating. Kitty was very hard to assist feed, and I'm afraid that her new mom may not realize how very important it is to get food inside her (it doesn't seem like the vet paid much attention to the lack of appetite and associated danger in letting it go on). I want to email her mom, but back it up with facts, and what the consequences of Kitty not eating can/will be. Grateful for any information that i can pass on. Kerry M.
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Title: Message Michelle: The new mom just said "there was a small amt of blood in her stool". But I'm going to try and get more info today---she was scheduled to go to vet today. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:31 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? kerry, is the blood red blood on the outside of the stool or is the stool black? if it is the former, the combination of symptoms could be ibd. michelle In a message dated 10/17/2006 6:42:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone Please know that though I'm not able to be on the list all the time at present, and have to go away again soon, all your furbabies are always in my thoughts, and I especially send positive thoughts for those that aren't doing so well. As always, I send my condolences to everyone who has lost a beloved kitty. My beloved foster cat, Kitty,who went to her new home a few weeks ago, while being treated at the same time for diarrhea, has had a recurrence of the same symptoms, and I'm worried about her. Here's what her new mom says: "She is vomiting clear liquid, not eating as much and there was a small amt of blood in her stool this morning too. I talked with Robin (from PAWS) and she said the thing that worried her the most was the lack of appetite. I called my vet and she said the same thing, we're going to go in on Thurs AM and run the full gamet of tests- just to be on the safe side. Although, Robin mentioned this was the same type of symptoms she had before with you. True? The Vet wasn't worried so much and thought theThursday time was fine enough unless things seem to worsen. like I said she's still hydrated, I've seen her drink and she's been playing." Does anyone have any idea what these symptoms may mean? She did have all those symptoms while with me (I rushed her to the vet). Also, can someone confirm what I believe to be the case: that it's unsafe for a cat to go even one day without eating. Kitty was very hard to assist feed, and I'm afraid that her new mom may not realize how very important it is to get food inside her (it doesn't seem like the vet paid much attention to the lack of appetite and associated danger in letting it go on). I want to email her mom, but back it up with facts, and what the consequences of Kitty not eating can/will be. Grateful for any information that i can pass on. Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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I've been told that a small amount of red blood at the tip of a stool can be an indication of stress. Try to find out more specifics about it. If you can't go to the vet visit with Megan, try and impress upon her how important it is to get to the bottom of Kitty's symptoms and to treat them promptly. Did the adoption contract specify that you have a right to take Kitty back if you think it necessary? I know you don't want to alienate the new mom, but you might have to start being more firm in your approach. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Michelle: The new mom just said there was a small amt of blood in her stool. But I'm going to try and get more info today---she was scheduled to go to vet today. Kerry
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When I first brought Romeo in, he was so scared that I know he was afraid to go to the box as often as he wanted to. Well, I noticed small drops of blood on the edge of the box and got a bit nervous. Turns out, he just had become really constipated and problem sort of solved itself when I made sure he was able to freely go to the box without being so scared. I had talked to vet though. Maybe the little one is a bit stressed out??? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? I've been told that a small amount of red blood at the tip of a stool can be an indication of stress. Try to find out more specifics about it. If you can't go to the vet visit with Megan, try and impress upon her how important it is to get to the bottom of Kitty's symptoms and to treat them promptly. Did the adoption contract specify that you have a right to take Kitty back if you think it necessary? I know you don't want to alienate the new mom, but you might have to start being more firm in your approach. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Michelle: The new mom just said there was a small amt of blood in her stool. But I'm going to try and get more info today---she was scheduled to go to vet today. Kerry
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Chris--she's also throwing up drool--foamy drool. Been doing that for about a month. And her stool has been misshapen for same time. All info appreciated. I haven't heard back from the new mom yet about Kitty's vet visit today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: o/t familiar with these symptoms? When I first brought Romeo in, he was so scared that I know he was afraid to go to the box as often as he wanted to. Well, I noticed small drops of blood on the edge of the box and got a bit nervous. Turns out, he just had become really constipated and problem sort of solved itself when I made sure he was able to freely go to the box without being so scared. I had talked to vet though. Maybe the little one is a bit stressed out??? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? I've been told that a small amount of red blood at the tip of a stool can be an indication of stress. Try to find out more specifics about it. If you can't go to the vet visit with Megan, try and impress upon her how important it is to get to the bottom of Kitty's symptoms and to treat them promptly. Did the adoption contract specify that you have a right to take Kitty back if you think it necessary? I know you don't want to alienate the new mom, but you might have to start being more firm in your approach. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Michelle: The new mom just said there was a small amt of blood in her stool. But I'm going to try and get more info today---she was scheduled to go to vet today. Kerry IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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soundsa like ibd to me. is she positive for felv? is she eating and keeping weight on ok? intestinal lymphoma is a worry if she is positive and is also wasting. though that can also be ibd. michelle In a message dated 10/19/2006 1:48:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris--she's also throwing up drool--foamy drool. Been doing that forabout a month. And her stool has been misshapen for same time. All infoappreciated. I haven't heard back from the new mom yet about Kitty's vetvisit today.
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Title: Message She is a very bony cat---she was lightweight from the time she arrived. She had an ok appetite while with me, but then when the vomiting of foamy drool diarrhea started her appetite went down. The only answer I got when I asked thePAWS peopleabout her boniness was "it's her age" (she's 130. The vet didn't seem surprised by her weight either. No felv as far as I know. I'll look up ibd symptoms. Thanks guys. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:54 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? soundsa like ibd to me. is she positive for felv? is she eating and keeping weight on ok? intestinal lymphoma is a worry if she is positive and is also wasting. though that can also be ibd. michelle In a message dated 10/19/2006 1:48:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris--she's also throwing up drool--foamy drool. Been doing that forabout a month. And her stool has been misshapen for same time. All infoappreciated. I haven't heard back from the new mom yet about Kitty's vetvisit today. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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in that case, given her age, i would suspect hyperthyroid or ibd. or potentially kidney problems, but she would probably be drinking and urinating a lot then, michelle In a message dated 10/19/2006 3:34:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She is a very bony cat---she was lightweight from the time she arrived. She had an ok appetite while with me, but then when the vomiting of foamy drool diarrhea started her appetite went down. The only answer I got when I asked thePAWS peopleabout her boniness was "it's her age" (she's 130. The vet didn't seem surprised by her weight either. No felv as far as I know. I'll look up ibd symptoms. Thanks guys.
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Title: RE: o/t familiar with these symptoms? I'm concerned about my former foster cat Kitty--the new mom just emailed me the following. Could she be feverish? All info appreciated, and will forward it to her. (The vet's attitude worries me. Kitty's been vomiting drool for over a month. Clearly something is wrong.) Thanks everyone, Kerry This morning she had again vomited twice. She doesn't seem to be ailing, although she is considerably more clingy than usual. Also, something my mom noticed... her ears are really quite warm. Could that be a sign of a fever or something? Can cats get fevers?? She is still hydrated as well. Definitely less aggressive towards Alex though- which in all of this worrying is actually nice. Her stool is soft but not diarrhea like. The vet said nothing to really worry about (unless vomiting increases or she quits eating) but I'm bringing her in on thurs AM as I had an appt then anyway for Alex's annual. I did give her a 1/4 tab of Pepcid though to soothe her tummy if it was just a little upset. Thats the story as of right now. Thanks for all of your suggestions and concern. She is proving to be a trooper definitely. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Hi Kerry, I can understand your concern about Kitty. Her symptoms are troubling to me too. How old is she again? If this had just started, then I might think it had to do with the stress of her new home and not so friendly attitude between cats. I would feel better if the vet this woman was seeing seemed more competent. Granted, everyone on this list has red flag hair triggers, but... It does sound like the new mom is concerned and keeping an eye on the situation, although the question about whether cats get fevers is an indicator about how little experience she's had with sick kitties. Would she be willing to take Kitty to a vet that you trust? I know first hand how difficult it is to let go of the responsibility we feel toward foster fur kids. There is only so much you can do at this point though. I'm glad that the new mom seems open to your intervention. Have you paid Kitty a visit in the past few days? Perhaps she wouldn't mind if you went with her to your vet. If it were me, I'd go have a look at Kitty and see what my impressions are. Remember Vladimir's story? Prayers that Miss Kitty feels better soon, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm concerned about my former foster cat Kitty--the new mom just emailed me the following. Could she be feverish? All info appreciated, and will forward it to her. (The vet's attitude worries me. Kitty's been vomiting drool for over a month. Clearly something is wrong.) Thanks everyone, Kerry /This morning she had again vomited twice. She doesn't seem to be ailing, although she is considerably more clingy than usual. Also, something my mom noticed... her ears are really quite warm. Could that be a sign of a fever or something? Can cats get fevers?? She is still hydrated as well. Definitely less aggressive towards Alex though- which in all of this worrying is actually nice. Her stool is soft but not diarrhea like. / /The vet said nothing to really worry about (unless vomiting increases or she quits eating) but I'm bringing her in on thurs AM as I had an appt then anyway for Alex's annual. / /I did give her a 1/4 tab of Pepcid though to soothe her tummy if it was just a little upset. / /Thats the story as of right now. Thanks for all of your suggestions and concern. She is proving to be a trooper definitely./
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Thanks Nina, warm ears do mean fever, don't they? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Hi Kerry, I can understand your concern about Kitty. Her symptoms are troubling to me too. How old is she again? If this had just started, then I might think it had to do with the stress of her new home and not so friendly attitude between cats. I would feel better if the vet this woman was seeing seemed more competent. Granted, everyone on this list has red flag hair triggers, but... It does sound like the new mom is concerned and keeping an eye on the situation, although the question about whether cats get fevers is an indicator about how little experience she's had with sick kitties. Would she be willing to take Kitty to a vet that you trust? I know first hand how difficult it is to let go of the responsibility we feel toward foster fur kids. There is only so much you can do at this point though. I'm glad that the new mom seems open to your intervention. Have you paid Kitty a visit in the past few days? Perhaps she wouldn't mind if you went with her to your vet. If it were me, I'd go have a look at Kitty and see what my impressions are. Remember Vladimir's story? Prayers that Miss Kitty feels better soon, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm concerned about my former foster cat Kitty--the new mom just emailed me the following. Could she be feverish? All info appreciated, and will forward it to her. (The vet's attitude worries me. Kitty's been vomiting drool for over a month. Clearly something is wrong.) Thanks everyone, Kerry /This morning she had again vomited twice. She doesn't seem to be ailing, although she is considerably more clingy than usual. Also, something my mom noticed... her ears are really quite warm. Could that be a sign of a fever or something? Can cats get fevers?? She is still hydrated as well. Definitely less aggressive towards Alex though- which in all of this worrying is actually nice. Her stool is soft but not diarrhea like. / /The vet said nothing to really worry about (unless vomiting increases or she quits eating) but I'm bringing her in on thurs AM as I had an appt then anyway for Alex's annual. / /I did give her a 1/4 tab of Pepcid though to soothe her tummy if it was just a little upset. / /Thats the story as of right now. Thanks for all of your suggestions and concern. She is proving to be a trooper definitely./ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Not necessarily --- some kitties have warm ears with normal temperature -- I just rescued a feral boy, Tony-- and his ears are really warm, and I checked his temperature and it was 100.7 -- normal -- one time I asked my vet about it.. she said it all depends.. how about the nose? Are they dried? Vomiting can be or is not any serious problems,, I have a cat who vomits all the time, and they couldn't find anything wrong -- does she eat okay? Did she lose any weights? Could be psychological or emotional, too? Have them do the blood work to make sure that all her organs are okay.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Thanks Nina, warm ears do mean fever, don't they? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Hi Kerry, I can understand your concern about Kitty. Her symptoms are troubling to me too. How old is she again? If this had just started, then I might think it had to do with the stress of her new home and not so friendly attitude between cats. I would feel better if the vet this woman was seeing seemed more competent. Granted, everyone on this list has red flag hair triggers, but... It does sound like the new mom is concerned and keeping an eye on the situation, although the question about whether cats get fevers is an indicator about how little experience she's had with sick kitties. Would she be willing to take Kitty to a vet that you trust? I know first hand how difficult it is to let go of the responsibility we feel toward foster fur kids. There is only so much you can do at this point though. I'm glad that the new mom seems open to your intervention. Have you paid Kitty a visit in the past few days? Perhaps she wouldn't mind if you went with her to your vet. If it were me, I'd go have a look at Kitty and see what my impressions are. Remember Vladimir's story? Prayers that Miss Kitty feels better soon, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm concerned about my former foster cat Kitty--the new mom just emailed me the following. Could she be feverish? All info appreciated, and will forward it to her. (The vet's attitude worries me. Kitty's been vomiting drool for over a month. Clearly something is wrong.) Thanks everyone, Kerry /This morning she had again vomited twice. She doesn't seem to be ailing, although she is considerably more clingy than usual. Also, something my mom noticed... her ears are really quite warm. Could that be a sign of a fever or something? Can cats get fevers?? She is still hydrated as well. Definitely less aggressive towards Alex though- which in all of this worrying is actually nice. Her stool is soft but not diarrhea like. / /The vet said nothing to really worry about (unless vomiting increases or she quits eating) but I'm bringing her in on thurs AM as I had an appt then anyway for Alex's annual. / /I did give her a 1/4 tab of Pepcid though to soothe her tummy if it was just a little upset. / /Thats the story as of right now. Thanks for all of your suggestions and concern. She is proving to be a trooper definitely./ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Not necessarily. Cat's temps are warmer than ours in their normal state, so she may not be able to gage if her ears are too warm. I make a habit of touching their ears etc when I know they are feeling good so I have a better idea when things are off. The only way to truly tell is to take their temp, and I would not suggest that the new mom try that. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Thanks Nina, warm ears do mean fever, don't they? Kerry
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Thanks hon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Not necessarily. Cat's temps are warmer than ours in their normal state, so she may not be able to gage if her ears are too warm. I make a habit of touching their ears etc when I know they are feeling good so I have a better idea when things are off. The only way to truly tell is to take their temp, and I would not suggest that the new mom try that. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Thanks Nina, warm ears do mean fever, don't they? Kerry IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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If the vet doesn't get it find another vet. This has gone on too long without an explanation. The thing is to catch problems while they can still be handled. I have taken too many critters to the vet just because something didn't feel right in my stomach. I have rarely been wrong and in several cases delays could/would have cost lives. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: RE: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Thanks Nina, warm ears do mean fever, don't they? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Hi Kerry, I can understand your concern about Kitty. Her symptoms are troubling to me too. How old is she again? If this had just started, then I might think it had to do with the stress of her new home and not so friendly attitude between cats. I would feel better if the vet this woman was seeing seemed more competent. Granted, everyone on this list has red flag hair triggers, but... It does sound like the new mom is concerned and keeping an eye on the situation, although the question about whether cats get fevers is an indicator about how little experience she's had with sick kitties. Would she be willing to take Kitty to a vet that you trust? I know first hand how difficult it is to let go of the responsibility we feel toward foster fur kids. There is only so much you can do at this point though. I'm glad that the new mom seems open to your intervention. Have you paid Kitty a visit in the past few days? Perhaps she wouldn't mind if you went with her to your vet. If it were me, I'd go have a look at Kitty and see what my impressions are. Remember Vladimir's story? Prayers that Miss Kitty feels better soon, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm concerned about my former foster cat Kitty--the new mom just emailed me the following. Could she be feverish? All info appreciated, and will forward it to her. (The vet's attitude worries me. Kitty's been vomiting drool for over a month. Clearly something is wrong.) Thanks everyone, Kerry /This morning she had again vomited twice. She doesn't seem to be ailing, although she is considerably more clingy than usual. Also, something my mom noticed... her ears are really quite warm. Could that be a sign of a fever or something? Can cats get fevers?? She is still hydrated as well. Definitely less aggressive towards Alex though- which in all of this worrying is actually nice. Her stool is soft but not diarrhea like. / /The vet said nothing to really worry about (unless vomiting increases or she quits eating) but I'm bringing her in on thurs AM as I had an appt then anyway for Alex's annual. / /I did give her a 1/4 tab of Pepcid though to soothe her tummy if it was just a little upset. / /Thats the story as of right now. Thanks for all of your suggestions and concern. She is proving to be a trooper definitely./ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Title: Message Hi everyone Please know that though I'm not able to be on the list all the time at present, and have to go away again soon, all your furbabies are always in my thoughts, and I especially send positive thoughts for those that aren't doing so well. As always, I send my condolences to everyone who has lost a beloved kitty. My beloved foster cat, Kitty,who went to her new home a few weeks ago, while being treated at the same time for diarrhea, has had a recurrence of the same symptoms, and I'm worried about her. Here's what her new mom says: "She is vomiting clear liquid, not eating as much and there was a small amt of blood in her stool this morning too. I talked with Robin (from PAWS) and she said the thing that worried her the most was the lack of appetite. I called my vet and she said the same thing, we're going to go in on Thurs AM and run the full gamet of tests- just to be on the safe side. Although, Robin mentioned this was the same type of symptoms she had before with you. True? The Vet wasn't worried so much and thought theThursday time was fine enough unless things seem to worsen. like I said she's still hydrated, I've seen her drink and she's been playing." Does anyone have any idea what these symptoms may mean? She did have all those symptoms while with me (I rushed her to the vet). Also, can someone confirm what I believe to be the case: that it's unsafe for a cat to go even one day without eating. Kitty was very hard to assist feed, and I'm afraid that her new mom may not realize how very important it is to get food inside her (it doesn't seem like the vet paid much attention to the lack of appetite and associated danger in letting it go on). I want to email her mom, but back it up with facts, and what the consequences of Kitty not eating can/will be. Grateful for any information that i can pass on. Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Title: Message One very serious effect of not eating *can* be hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver disease) which can, if untreated,kill them. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Hi everyone Please know that though I'm not able to be on the list all the time at present, and have to go away again soon, all your furbabies are always in my thoughts, and I especially send positive thoughts for those that aren't doing so well. As always, I send my condolences to everyone who has lost a beloved kitty. My beloved foster cat, Kitty,who went to her new home a few weeks ago, while being treated at the same time for diarrhea, has had a recurrence of the same symptoms, and I'm worried about her. Here's what her new mom says: "She is vomiting clear liquid, not eating as much and there was a small amt of blood in her stool this morning too. I talked with Robin (from PAWS) and she said the thing that worried her the most was the lack of appetite. I called my vet and she said the same thing, we're going to go in on Thurs AM and run the full gamet of tests- just to be on the safe side. Although, Robin mentioned this was the same type of symptoms she had before with you. True? The Vet wasn't worried so much and thought theThursday time was fine enough unless things seem to worsen. like I said she's still hydrated, I've seen her drink and she's been playing." Does anyone have any idea what these symptoms may mean? She did have all those symptoms while with me (I rushed her to the vet). Also, can someone confirm what I believe to be the case: that it's unsafe for a cat to go even one day without eating. Kitty was very hard to assist feed, and I'm afraid that her new mom may not realize how very important it is to get food inside her (it doesn't seem like the vet paid much attention to the lack of appetite and associated danger in letting it go on). I want to email her mom, but back it up with facts, and what the consequences of Kitty not eating can/will be. Grateful for any information that i can pass on. Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Thanks so much Belinda! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Kerry, I can find more if you need them: http://www.eattheapple.com/sandra/ http://www.cathospitalofaustin.com/Library/hepatic_lipidosis.htm (this one specifies obese cats but it can happen with any cat) http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_hepatic_lipidosis.html (this one tells how even a cat eating, though not it's normal amount can develop this problem) http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cehepatlip.html (this one say's not eating for 3 days, but I know of cats that it took less time) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Kerry in all fairness, cats that get HL after only a day or two of not eating anything probably haven't been eating well for a few days and it wasn't noticed until they stopped eating. Unless you weigh your kitties regularly most people aren't going to notice that their cat isn't eating as good right away, especially if you have a multi-cat household. I weigh the cats I know don't eat as good as the others about once a week and keep a close eye on the rest just because I've had to deal with HL before. this one say's not eating for 3 days, but I know of cats that it took less time -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thanks again Belinda! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t familiar with these symptoms? Kerry in all fairness, cats that get HL after only a day or two of not eating anything probably haven't been eating well for a few days and it wasn't noticed until they stopped eating. Unless you weigh your kitties regularly most people aren't going to notice that their cat isn't eating as good right away, especially if you have a multi-cat household. I weigh the cats I know don't eat as good as the others about once a week and keep a close eye on the rest just because I've had to deal with HL before. this one say's not eating for 3 days, but I know of cats that it took less time -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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I've had great luck with the diffuser, but I've never tried the spray. Mio used to pee on my bed if I was out of the house for more than 12 hours, poor girl. I bought the diffuser and plugged it in next to my bed, we have been accident free since February. From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:46:11 -0500 I've had no luck with the diffuser and know several people who haven't either. Is it working for you? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: RE: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway here's an even better deal http://www.petsnmore.com/home.asp?searchstr=feliwayGCID=S16135x002keyword=feliway%20diffuser This one is the lowest I've found for the 6 pack of refills MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway check this out:) http://www.entirelypets.com/6pakfedire48.html MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I need to buy a bunch of Feliway. If anyone knows of a good source pricewise, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous -- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Thank you Kiley ,and everyone else who replied. I'll be offline for 2 weeks now but will be thinking of all your kitties and sending healing vibes and prayers for those that are sick. till later, you wonderful people, Love y'all, take care-- Kerry - Original Message - From: Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway I've had great luck with the diffuser, but I've never tried the spray. Mio used to pee on my bed if I was out of the house for more than 12 hours, poor girl. I bought the diffuser and plugged it in next to my bed, we have been accident free since February. From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:46:11 -0500 I've had no luck with the diffuser and know several people who haven't either. Is it working for you? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: RE: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway here's an even better deal http://www.petsnmore.com/home.asp?searchstr=feliwayGCID=S16135x002keyword= feliway%20diffuser This one is the lowest I've found for the 6 pack of refills MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway check this out:) http://www.entirelypets.com/6pakfedire48.html MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I need to buy a bunch of Feliway. If anyone knows of a good source pricewise, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous -- -- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous -- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Hi all I need to buy a bunch of Feliway. If anyone knows of a good source pricewise, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Title: Message Thanks Barb! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway check this out:) http://www.entirelypets.com/6pakfedire48.html "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allI need to buy a bunch of Feliway. If anyone knows of a good sourcepricewise, I'd appreciate it.Thanks!Kerry M.IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
