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We all have differing opinions on how far to go to save a cat who is suffering. In my opinion you did the best thing for your cat. I'm sorry you lost him. tonya Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. Was he suffering? Is this why the vet decided to euth? Because even if they are symptomatic, they can still have a good quality of life being felv+. And yes, you should get your other 2 kitties combo tested, you need to know what to expect. But please, if they do test pos for felv, remember, they can live a good life for quite some time, you just to help them along by boosting their little immune systems. Take each day as a precious gift, because that'swhat it is. This list is set up for kitty mommies daddies just like you, and there is a wealth of good information here. You will get more ideas than you will know what to do with, but you will be able to figure out what works best for you, your cats your living arrangements One last note, if your vet decided to PTS because the cat was felv+ and sick, but not suffering (to be determined as YOU see fit w/ your vet's consultation)...it might be best to look for another vet that is more felv+ savvy. Just my 2 cents,I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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That's great news!! tonya Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Angela This sounds exactly like what happened to my Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did figure it out. His gums were exactly as you described he spent two nights at the vet hospital with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning. They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same time and being treated for anemia by a different vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a car several months earlier and that was the only available vet who could see him in a hurry. Now I was worried Junior's condition was more serious. I took him back in that week and though he looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two more tested positive. One also had been sickly had FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat was also PTS he was not well. Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough go but is fine now other than his pos status. He gets immune booster like the group says. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
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Angela, I'm so sorry for your loss. If your other cats are vaccinated, your chances are very good that your other cats will test negative. Also, the older your cats are the better the chances that they did not pick up the virus. Keeping my fingers crossed for your test results. tonya Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please talk to me To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I just laid a wonderful boy to rest last night due to this Cancer. I am at a severe lost. I have two other cats that are being checked today. Prayers needed. All my three boys have had contact for the past three years and I'm very scared. My boy, Midnight, was tested when he was little and the test came back neg., all the sudden, he felt bad (friday) and went down hill rapidly. Please help me! Angela Lewis - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
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Angela, What wonderful news! It made my day! Please stick around and keep learning from these guys. There is usually something helpful every day or two that makes us better cat parents...Although you have 3-months before a retesting and everything will probably be just dandy, there is nothing wrong with keeping their immune systems boosted during the waiting period. Just so you know you are completely on top of things from minute one. Thank you for that bright spot yesterday! Take care, Glenda --- Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Angela This sounds exactly like what happened to my Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did figure it out. His gums were exactly as you described he spent two nights at the vet hospital with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning. They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same time and being treated for anemia by a different vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a car several months earlier and that was the only available vet who could see him in a hurry. Now I was worried Junior's condition was more serious. I took him back in that week and though he looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two more tested positive. One also had been sickly had FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat was also PTS he was not well. Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough go but is fine now other than his pos status. He gets immune booster like the group says. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
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Note: forwarded message attached. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.---BeginMessage--- I just laid a wonderful boy to rest last night due to this Cancer. I am at a severe lost. I have two other cats that are being checked today. Prayers needed. All my three boys have had contact for the past three years and I'm very scared. My boy, Midnight, was tested when he was little and the test came back neg., all the sudden, he felt bad (friday) and went down hill rapidly. Please help me! Angela Lewis - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.---End Message---
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Angela, I'm so sorry to hear about your boy. Had he been re-tested recently for Felv? Normally, it is the secodary illnesses that take our Felv kids. Such as different cancers. Due to their weak immune systems. Did he have a biopsy done prior indicate what kind of cancer he had? How old was your boy? What are the ages of the kitties living in your house? I'm sorry for asking these questions but it does have bearing. If everyone has been together for 3 years you would have seen signs long before now if they were infected. Yes, Felv can lay dormant in the bone marrow even when they are tested young. As I know this for a fact. It has happened to one of my cats. It takes a cold or respiratory illness (URI) to bring it on even though they may have tested negative prior when healthy. That is why when you get kittens from unknown sources they should be retested every 3 months up to they are adults for accuracy. Adults should be tested yearly. I've had numerous Vets say most tests done as kittens are not accurate. When there are more than one kitty living in the house when one dies for unknown reasons a necropsy should be done by your Vet. Once again I'm sorry for your loss. Please take care of yourself. Your fur-babies are in my thoughts and prayers. In a message dated 8/21/2007 7:42:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just laid a wonderful boy to rest last night due to this Cancer. I am at a severe lost. I have two other cats that are being checked today. Prayers needed. All my three boys have had contact for the past three years and I'm very scared. My boy, Midnight, was tested when he was little and the test came back neg., all the sudden, he felt bad (friday) and went down hill rapidly. Please help me! Angela Lewis Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Angela, I am so sorryfor your loss, your pain and the uncertaintyI unexpectedly lost Keisha 5 weeks ago. I didn't even know she was sick (not feline leukemia+). Now another of mine has a similar heart problem (not related and not contagious)somedays I am overwhelmed...I try to know that what I learned with Keisha will help me better care for Lucy. a note of hope ~ I had two feline leuk positive boys. Squeaky was never sick during his first 22 years. Stripes lived to 16 despite being sick on and off. We have finally figured out a protocol that is working for Isabella for now. She was sicker than the boys and came to us in May (years after the boys died). There is hope. If your kittys have feline leukemia, then it's plan B for treatment. Please try to breathe and know that they are in good hands and you can handle whatever comes your way. These kitties are put in our lives for a reason. ALLOW yourself to grieve and be mad and sad...it's all part of the process. My heart reaches to yours...right this moment...you and all 3 kitties are in my prayers. Safe journey to your Midnight. One comfort I had from the sudden death of Keisha was she was giving me the gift of not having to watch her suffer over weeks or months and not having to make a tough decision for her someday. Godspeed, Laurie
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Laurie, Thank you for your encouraging words. Midnight being sick was such a shock! He was the one who would take toys from the other two and play! He was/is absolutely beautiful. I know he is in kitty heaven. I think that when we were in the vets office last night he became visually worse, he could hardly stand up at all. I just held him, cried, kissed him, loved on him and told him how much I loved him. I hope he is at rest peacefully. Angela laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, I am so sorryfor your loss, your pain and the uncertaintyI unexpectedly lost Keisha 5 weeks ago. I didn't even know she was sick (not feline leukemia+). Now another of mine has a similar heart problem (not related and not contagious)somedays I am overwhelmed...I try to know that what I learned with Keisha will help me better care for Lucy. a note of hope ~ I had two feline leuk positive boys. Squeaky was never sick during his first 22 years. Stripes lived to 16 despite being sick on and off. We have finally figured out a protocol that is working for Isabella for now. She was sicker than the boys and came to us in May (years after the boys died). There is hope. If your kittys have feline leukemia, then it's plan B for treatment. Please try to breathe and know that they are in good hands and you can handle whatever comes your way. These kitties are put in our lives for a reason. ALLOW yourself to grieve and be mad and sad...it's all part of the process. My heart reaches to yours...right this moment...you and all 3 kitties are in my prayers. Safe journey to your Midnight. One comfort I had from the sudden death of Keisha was she was giving me the gift of not having to watch her suffer over weeks or months and not having to make a tough decision for her someday. Godspeed, Laurie - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.
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Laurie, I just have a couple questions: Did Squeaky and Stripes have the FeLV virus for many years and survive? If so maybe both were just carriers? The fact Stripes lived to age 16, even with illnesses during that time, is still amazing. As for the heart problems you have been facing: Many years ago I had a kitty that was diagnoised with a heart problem...forgot the name of it, where the heart is enlarged, and fluid builds up in the lungs...Well this I think may have been a genetic condition ? I still do not know... At the time I tried to read up on all I could and saw where sometimes huge doses of taurine helped save some cats that might otherwise have succumbed to various heart conditions...This was twenty years ago...I know a lot has come to light since then. I'm sure there is a lot of info online and I'm sure you have been neck deep in it... I guess it cannot hurt for all of us here to know a little about everything when it comes to our cats...The very best to you and Lucy...please keep us posted regarding her progress and treatments. Thank you, Glenda --- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, I am so sorryfor your loss, your pain and the uncertaintyI unexpectedly lost Keisha 5 weeks ago. I didn't even know she was sick (not feline leukemia+). Now another of mine has a similar heart problem (not related and not contagious)somedays I am overwhelmed...I try to know that what I learned with Keisha will help me better care for Lucy. a note of hope ~ I had two feline leuk positive boys. Squeaky was never sick during his first 22 years. Stripes lived to 16 despite being sick on and off. We have finally figured out a protocol that is working for Isabella for now. She was sicker than the boys and came to us in May (years after the boys died). There is hope. If your kittys have feline leukemia, then it's plan B for treatment. Please try to breathe and know that they are in good hands and you can handle whatever comes your way. These kitties are put in our lives for a reason. ALLOW yourself to grieve and be mad and sad...it's all part of the process. My heart reaches to yours...right this moment...you and all 3 kitties are in my prayers. Safe journey to your Midnight. One comfort I had from the sudden death of Keisha was she was giving me the gift of not having to watch her suffer over weeks or months and not having to make a tough decision for her someday. Godspeed, Laurie Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
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Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. -- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
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Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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If they are otherwise health, DO NOT be forced to put them down simply because they test positive for FeLV. Kittens/Cats can live several years and be healthy even with FeLV. Obviously, all cats (pets, people) die so when they get ill and in pain, that is the time to PTS, not when they are still healthy and enjoying a quality of life. I know it's sad, I have three cats right now that are dying, two w/FeLV and one with tummy cancer. tracy - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/21/2007 1:42:15 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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Angela, definitely keep the appt. Knowing is better than not knowing, imo. If you know they are positive, you can treat them and take steps to keep them asymptomatic If you find out they are negative, you can breather easy. A friend had a negative in with a group of positives for FIVE YEARS and he never got sick (that's how she found out he was negative ~ had him tested or retested ~ she can't remember if she tested him originally...thinks she did). Anyhoo, he is about 10 now and healthy! L - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. -- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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Angela, I think there is some confusion. I'm not sure why you euthanized your cat. Cats should never, ever be PTS just because of a positive FELV test, especially not if it is an in-house SNAP test. FELV is not cancer. It is a virus. There are cancers that FELV+ cats are more likely to get than FELV- cats, but these cancers are treatable. Please do not PTS your other cats if they are FELV+. I would recommend getting a different vet. I know how shocking a diagnosis can be, but unless a cat is actively suffering there is no reason to rush to PTS. Kelley On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. Was he suffering? Is this why the vet decided to euth? Because even if they are symptomatic, they can still have a good quality of life being felv+. And yes, you should get your other 2 kitties combo tested, you need to know what to expect. But please, if they do test pos for felv, remember, they can live a good life for quite some time, you just to help them along by boosting their little immune systems. Take each day as a precious gift, because that'swhat it is. This list is set up for kitty mommies daddies just like you, and there is a wealth of good information here. You will get more ideas than you will know what to do with, but you will be able to figure out what works best for you, your cats your living arrangements One last note, if your vet decided to PTS because the cat was felv+ and sick, but not suffering (to be determined as YOU see fit w/ your vet's consultation)...it might be best to look for another vet that is more felv+ savvy. Just my 2 cents,I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. -- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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I am sorry, Tracey.. You're in the hard part of this disease and another.. never easy.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Tracy Weese To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me If they are otherwise health, DO NOT be forced to put them down simply because they test positive for FeLV. Kittens/Cats can live several years and be healthy even with FeLV. Obviously, all cats (pets, people) die so when they get ill and in pain, that is the time to PTS, not when they are still healthy and enjoying a quality of life. I know it's sad, I have three cats right now that are dying, two w/FeLV and one with tummy cancer. tracy - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/21/2007 1:42:15 PM
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On 8/21/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. But that in and of itself means nothing. There are 20% false positives, so there is a 1 in 5 chance the cat wasn't even positive. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. Was he suffering? Is this why the vet decided to euth? Because even if they are symptomatic, they can still have a good quality of life being felv+. And yes, you should get your other 2 kitties combo tested, you need to know what to expect. But please, if they do test pos for felv, remember, they can live a good life for quite some time, you just to help them along by boosting their little immune systems. Take each day as a precious gift, because that'swhat it is. This list is set up for kitty mommies daddies just like you, and there is a wealth of good information here. You will get more ideas than you will know what to do with, but you will be able to figure out what works best for you, your cats your living arrangements One last note, if your vet decided to PTS because the cat was felv+ and sick, but not suffering (to be determined as YOU see fit w/ your vet's consultation)...it might be best to look for another vet that is more felv+ savvy. Just my 2 cents,I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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Angela, Yes,in my opinion, I think that you did the right thing and gave him the last gift, which is a kind death. Felv+ is an odd disease, there are so many ways it can kill. I have seem cats get very ill, but linger, then I have seen them bottom out like your kitty did, within days. Stress can bring out the disease very easily, and the stress of packing moving could have contributed to his demise. Cats HATE change. Period. But DO NOT blame yourself, you did not know he was ill and regardless,life has to go on (moving, etc.). Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang
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you did the right thing he was ready to go - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/21/2007 2:22:27 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. Was he suffering? Is this why the vet decided to euth? Because even if they are symptomatic, they can still have a good quality of life being felv+. And yes, you should get your other 2 kitties combo tested, you need to know what to expect. But please, if they do test pos for felv, remember, they can live a good life for quite some time, you just to help them along by boosting their little immune systems. Take each day as a precious gift, because that'swhat it is. This list is set up for kitty mommies daddies just like you, and there is a wealth of good information here. You will get more ideas than you will know what to do with, but you will be able to figure out what works best for you, your cats your living arrangements One last note, if your vet decided to PTS because the cat was felv+ and sick, but not suffering (to be determined as YOU see fit w/ your vet's consultation)...it might be best to look for another vet that is more felv+ savvy. Just my 2 cents,I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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What is the IFA test and how is it different than the SNAP test? Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, Yes,in my opinion, I think that you did the right thing and gave him the last gift, which is a kind death. Felv+ is an odd disease, there are so many ways it can kill. I have seem cats get very ill, but linger, then I have seen them bottom out like your kitty did, within days. Stress can bring out the disease very easily, and the stress of packing moving could have contributed to his demise. Cats HATE change. Period. But DO NOT blame yourself, you did not know he was ill and regardless,life has to go on (moving, etc.). Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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The SNAP test is an inhouse test. The IFA test is a test sent out to a lab. Here is some info from the AAFP: http://www.vin.com/mainpub/feline/aafpfelvdx.htm On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the IFA test and how is it different than the SNAP test? Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, Yes,in my opinion, I think that you did the right thing and gave him the last gift, which is a kind death. Felv+ is an odd disease, there are so many ways it can kill. I have seem cats get very ill, but linger, then I have seen them bottom out like your kitty did, within days. Stress can bring out the disease very easily, and the stress of packing moving could have contributed to his demise. Cats HATE change. Period. But DO NOT blame yourself, you did not know he was ill and regardless,life has to go on (moving, etc.). Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Can't the IFA test also determine if the diease is in the bone marrow? Or I am I thinking of something else?\ Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me The SNAP test is an inhouse test. The IFA test is a test sent out to a lab. Here is some info from the AAFP: http://www.vin.com/mainpub/feline/aafpfelvdx.htm On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the IFA test and how is it different than the SNAP test? Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, Yes,in my opinion, I think that you did the right thing and gave him the last gift, which is a kind death. Felv+ is an odd disease, there are so many ways it can kill. I have seem cats get very ill, but linger, then I have seen them bottom out like your kitty did, within days. Stress can bring out the disease very easily, and the stress of packing moving could have contributed to his demise. Cats HATE change. Period. But DO NOT blame yourself, you did not know he was ill and regardless,life has to go on (moving, etc.).
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HI Angela This sounds exactly like what happened to my Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did figure it out. His gums were exactly as you described he spent two nights at the vet hospital with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning. They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same time and being treated for anemia by a different vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a car several months earlier and that was the only available vet who could see him in a hurry. Now I was worried Junior's condition was more serious. I took him back in that week and though he looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two more tested positive. One also had been sickly had FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat was also PTS he was not well. Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough go but is fine now other than his pos status. He gets immune booster like the group says. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was
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Hi Angela, I am really sorry to hear about your sweet Boy. It sounds like you did the right thing to pts with the information you had at the time. He was probably anemic, because of the white gums, and anemia is a really hard battle to fight. A lot of times, we don't see cats survive once they become very anemic. That's how I lost my sweet Cricket almost two years ago. I would go ahead and have the other two kitties tested, but do not pts if they are positive. Sometimes you can get a false positive or negative on the Elisa tests, so we recommend the IFA test; it's more conclusive. See if your vet can do that one. Please let us know what happens at the vet's today, and again, I am so sorry about your furbaby. You are under a lot of stress right now with your recent move, and losing Boy so suddenly to a disease you probably didn't know much about or that he even had it, so be gentle with yourself. It does get easier if you allow yourself a little time to grieve for him. :) Wendy Dallas, TX Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:22:26 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. Was he suffering? Is this why the vet decided to euth? Because even if they are symptomatic, they can still have a good quality of life being felv+. And yes, you should get your other 2 kitties combo tested, you need to know what to expect. But please, if they do test pos for felv, remember, they can live a good life for quite some time, you just to help them along by boosting their little immune systems. Take each day as a precious gift, because that'swhat it is. This list is set up for kitty mommies daddies just like you, and there is a wealth of good information here. You will get more ideas than you will know what to do with, but you will be able to figure out what works best for you, your cats your living arrangements One last note, if your vet decided to PTS because the cat was felv+ and sick, but not suffering (to be determined as YOU see fit w/ your vet's consultation)...it might be best to look for another vet that is more felv+ savvy. Just my 2 cents,I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose
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To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Angela This sounds exactly like what happened to my Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did figure it out. His gums were exactly as you described he spent two nights at the vet hospital with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning. They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same time and being treated for anemia by a different vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a car several months earlier and that was the only available vet who could see him in a hurry. Now I was worried Junior's condition was more serious. I took him back in that week and though he looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two more tested positive. One also had been sickly had FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat was also PTS he was not well. Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough go but is fine now other than his pos status. He gets immune booster like the group says. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
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Thank goodness, Ang, aren't you glad they went now? It is an excellent idea to retest in any case, and you should make sure that the retest is IFA just to be sure. Now take a deep breath and give your kitties a hug. And, as Wendy says, take some time to grieve for Boy. Sometimes it helps to talk to them -- just in case something you were feeling went unsaid. And invite him to visit you often, tell him this new home is his home although he didn't have much time there. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Lewis Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please talk to me To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Angela This sounds exactly like what happened to my Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did figure it out. His gums were exactly as you described he spent two nights at the vet hospital with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning. They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same time and being treated for anemia by a different vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a car several months earlier and that was the only available vet who could see him in a hurry. Now I was worried Junior's condition was more serious. I took him back in that week and though he looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two more tested positive. One also had been sickly had FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat was also PTS he was not well. Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough go but is fine now other than his pos status. He gets immune booster like the group says. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48252/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/one search?refer=1ONXIC , not web links. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Great news! Rest easy tonight, friend, and get about the business of grieving. Remember Ripley and Sherman will also grieve the loss of their pal. Laurie - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Angela This sounds exactly like what happened to my Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did figure it out. His gums were exactly as you described he spent two nights at the vet hospital with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning. They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same time and being treated for anemia by a different vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a car several months earlier and that was the only available vet who could see him in a hurry. Now I was worried Junior's condition was more serious. I took him back in that week and though he looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two more tested positive. One also had been sickly had FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat was also PTS he was not well. Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough go but is fine now other than his pos status. He gets immune booster like the group says. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was -- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
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Hi Angela That is great news. I decided not to retest my kitties bc they were all equally exposed and the expense of testing 9 cats again. I had higher than usual positives. My thought is that I had a pretty virulent strain of FeLV as I had a 25% tested positive. All the remaining cats have been vaccinated and I will vaccinate again this year. After that I will probably go to the 3 year protocol. None of the remaining cats have been sick. If one gets sick I would test at that time. This is just what I am doing. With the number of cats you have I would go for the retest in the 3 months as your vet suggested. Sally On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang *Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:
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A, Angela, I am so happy for you the kitties! Thanks so much for sharing your story w/us today.:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me To all who have hellped me thru this day... Thank you for your support and encouraging words. We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We are going to retest in 3 months. The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent range. God bless all! Ang Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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You did the right thing. You are the only one who knows Boy and you know what is in your heart. I am very sure from your e-mail that you loved Boy and acted out of that love. Do not second guess yourself (much easier said than done). Grieve and don't let anyone put you down for it. You have lost a wonderful friend but you have only lost his body not his spirit. He will always be very close to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. Was he suffering? Is this why the vet decided to euth? Because even if they are symptomatic, they can still have a good quality of life being felv+. And yes, you should get your other 2 kitties combo tested, you need to know what to expect. But please, if they do test pos for felv, remember, they can live a good life for quite some time, you just to help them along by boosting their little immune systems. Take each day as a precious gift, because that'swhat it is. This list is set up for kitty mommies daddies just like you, and there is a wealth of good information here. You will get more ideas than you will know what to do with, but you will be able to figure out what works best for you, your cats your living arrangements One last note, if your vet decided to PTS because the cat was felv+ and sick, but not suffering (to be determined as YOU see fit w/ your vet's consultation)...it might be best to look for another vet that is more felv+ savvy. Just my 2 cents,I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was Lukemia and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did
