Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-09-12 Thread MaiMaiPG 

And brag about poaching?
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:05 PM,  > wrote:


Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since  
most are good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and  
nevr point the finger at "one of our own".

 Natalie  wrote:

Emus?  Where do you live?
What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to  
themselves, and

are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia  
Baronda

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is  
illegal!


Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals,  
will be
one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just  
for the
he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was  
nursing
back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who  
did it.

People drunk, shooting from the road.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with,  
Christmas

2010.

On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM,  wrote:

Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just  
before the
season.  Someone said they were going to come to my house for some  
practice
shots.  I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t  
shoot my
cats.  Of course they said they were just "kidding" and I said that  
had
better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold  
come
looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I  
could get.



 Natalie  wrote:

I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no
business being vets) because it provides a good income!
Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering?
Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting
groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting,  
firearm

hunting?


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is

illegal!


I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.
Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue?


 Peggy Verdonck  wrote:

I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who
want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it
done. :-/

On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:

Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them
about
declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest  
they

adopt an already declawed cat.
I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you  
will

just

end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think
education is the best way to get people away from declawing.



Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org




From: tamara stickler 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is

illegal!



I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to
declaw
- BUT
- I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats  
that I

place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the
life of the cat.


I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that
adopted from
a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a  
month to
clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY  
it is

inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really
doesn't matter.  She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long
as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.


Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost  
you

an

apt.

and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!


Tamara

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:



From: Natalie 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is  
illegal!

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM



A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:

http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm

A list of countries where declawing is illegal:

http://www.declawing.com/list.html

From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:

felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity
(which came
with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I  
told

him:
"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-09-12 Thread dlgegg 
Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since most are 
good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and nevr point the finger 
at "one of our own".
 Natalie  wrote: 
> Emus?  Where do you live?
> What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and
> are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
> 
> Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be
> one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the
> he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing
> back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it.
> People drunk, shooting from the road. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
> 2010. 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the
> season.  Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice
> shots.  I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my
> cats.  Of course they said they were just "kidding" and I said that had
> better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come
> looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get.
> > 
> > 
> >  Natalie  wrote: 
> >> I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no 
> >> business being vets) because it provides a good income!
> >> Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering?
> >> Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting 
> >> groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm
> hunting?
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> dlg...@windstream.net
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
> illegal!
> >> 
> >> I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.  
> >> Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue?
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  Peggy Verdonck  wrote: 
> >>> I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who 
> >>> want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it 
> >>> done. :-/
> >>> 
> >>> On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> >>>> Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them 
> >>>> about
> >>> declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they 
> >>> adopt an already declawed cat.
> >>>> I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will 
> >>>> just
> >>> end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think 
> >>> education is the best way to get people away from declawing.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Beth
> >>>> 
> >>>> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> From: tamara stickler 
> >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
> >> illegal!
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to 
> >>>> declaw
> >>>> - BUT
> >>> - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I 
> >>> place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the 
> >>> life of the cat.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that 
> >>>> adopted from
> >>> a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to 
> >>> clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is 
> >>> inhuman

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-09-11 Thread Natalie 
Emus?  Where do you live?
What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and
are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be
one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the
he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing
back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it.
People drunk, shooting from the road. 

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
2010. 

On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM,  wrote:

> Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the
season.  Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice
shots.  I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my
cats.  Of course they said they were just "kidding" and I said that had
better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come
looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get.
> 
> 
>  Natalie  wrote: 
>> I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no 
>> business being vets) because it provides a good income!
>> Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering?
>> Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting 
>> groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm
hunting?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> dlg...@windstream.net
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
illegal!
>> 
>> I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.  
>> Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue?
>> 
>> 
>>  Peggy Verdonck  wrote: 
>>> I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who 
>>> want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it 
>>> done. :-/
>>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
>>>> Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them 
>>>> about
>>> declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they 
>>> adopt an already declawed cat.
>>>> I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will 
>>>> just
>>> end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think 
>>> education is the best way to get people away from declawing.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Beth
>>>> 
>>>> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: tamara stickler 
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
>> illegal!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to 
>>>> declaw
>>>> - BUT
>>> - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I 
>>> place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the 
>>> life of the cat.
>>>> 
>>>> I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that 
>>>> adopted from
>>> a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to 
>>> clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is 
>>> inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really 
>>> doesn't matter.  She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long 
>>> as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
>>>> 
>>>> Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you 
>>>> an
>> apt.
>>> and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
>>>> 
>>>> Tamara
>>>> 
>>>> --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Natalie 
>>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it i

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-09-11 Thread Marcia Baronda 
Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one 
sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll 
of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to 
health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People 
drunk, shooting from the road. 

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM,  wrote:

> Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the 
> season.  Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice 
> shots.  I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. 
>  Of course they said they were just "kidding" and I said that had better be 
> the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for 
> them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get.
> 
> 
>  Natalie  wrote: 
>> I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business
>> being vets) because it provides a good income!
>> Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering?
>> Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to
>> eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> dlg...@windstream.net
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>> 
>> I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.  Why is
>> the US always behind in this sort of issue?  
>> 
>> 
>>  Peggy Verdonck  wrote: 
>>> I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want 
>>> to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/
>>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
>>>> Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them 
>>>> about
>>> declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they 
>>> adopt an already declawed cat.
>>>> I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will 
>>>> just
>>> end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think 
>>> education is the best way to get people away from declawing.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Beth
>>>> 
>>>> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: tamara stickler 
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
>> illegal!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw 
>>>> - BUT
>>> - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I 
>>> place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the 
>>> life of the cat.
>>>> 
>>>> I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that 
>>>> adopted from
>>> a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to 
>>> clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is 
>>> inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't 
>>> matter.  She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip 
>>> them - so- I'm willing to do that.
>>>> 
>>>> Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an
>> apt.
>>> and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
>>>> 
>>>> Tamara
>>>> 
>>>> --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Natalie 
>>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>>> Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
>>> http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm
>>>>> A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
>>> http://www.declawing.com/list.html
>>&

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-09-11 Thread dlgegg 
Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the 
season.  Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice 
shots.  I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats.  
Of course they said they were just "kidding" and I said that had better be the 
truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and 
after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get.


 Natalie  wrote: 
> I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business
> being vets) because it provides a good income!
> Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering?
> Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to
> eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
> 
> I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.  Why is
> the US always behind in this sort of issue?  
> 
> 
>  Peggy Verdonck  wrote: 
> > I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want 
> > to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/
> > 
> > On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> > > Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them 
> > > about
> > declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they 
> > adopt an already declawed cat.
> > > I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will 
> > > just
> > end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think 
> > education is the best way to get people away from declawing.
> > >
> > >
> > > Beth
> > >
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: tamara stickler 
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
> illegal!
> > >
> > >
> > > I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw 
> > > - BUT
> > - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I 
> > place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the 
> > life of the cat.
> > >
> > > I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that 
> > > adopted from
> > a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to 
> > clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is 
> > inhumane - even after I explained it to her....but - it really doesn't 
> > matter.  She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip 
> > them - so- I'm willing to do that.
> > >
> > > Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an
> apt.
> > and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
> > >
> > > Tamara
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Natalie 
> > >>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
> > >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
> > http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm
> > >>A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
> > http://www.declawing.com/list.html
> > >>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
> > >>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
> > >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> > >>
> > >>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which 
> > >>came
> > with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:
> >  "Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's 
> > cruelty to animals."
> > >>
> > >>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
> > >>
> > >>And I

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-09-11 Thread Natalie 
I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business
being vets) because it provides a good income!
Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering?
Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to
eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.  Why is
the US always behind in this sort of issue?  


 Peggy Verdonck  wrote: 
> I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want 
> to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/
> 
> On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> > Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them 
> > about
> declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they 
> adopt an already declawed cat.
> > I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will 
> > just
> end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think 
> education is the best way to get people away from declawing.
> >
> >
> > Beth
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ____
> > From: tamara stickler 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is
illegal!
> >
> >
> > I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw 
> > - BUT
> - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I 
> place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the 
> life of the cat.
> >
> > I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that 
> > adopted from
> a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to 
> clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is 
> inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't 
> matter.  She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip 
> them - so- I'm willing to do that.
> >
> > Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an
apt.
> and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
> >
> > Tamara
> >
> > --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: Natalie 
> >>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
> >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
> http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm
> >>A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
> http://www.declawing.com/list.html
> >>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
> >>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
> >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> >>
> >>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which 
> >>came
> with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:
>  "Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's 
> cruelty to animals."
> >>
> >>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
> >>
> >>And I'd do it again.
> >>
> >>I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.
> >>
> >>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 
> >>6
> furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi 
> =^..^=
> >>- Original Message -
> >>>From:Natalie
> >>>To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>>Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
> >>>Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> >>>
> >>>I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is 
> >>>the most
> devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more 
> heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, 
> trust me.  I wonder how a cat would feel if
> >>>he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or 
> &g

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-09-11 Thread dlgegg 
I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing.  Why is the 
US always behind in this sort of issue?  


 Peggy Verdonck  wrote: 
> I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to
> have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/
> 
> On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> > Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about
> declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt
> an already declawed cat.
> > I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just
> end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education
> is the best way to get people away from declawing.
> >
> >
> > Beth
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: tamara stickler 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
> >
> >
> > I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT
> - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place
> in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the
> cat.
> >
> > I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from
> a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip
> the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane -
> even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is
> allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing
> to do that.
> >
> > Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt.
> and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
> >
> > Tamara
> >
> > --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: Natalie 
> >>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
> >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
> http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm
> >>A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
> http://www.declawing.com/list.html
> >>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
> >>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
> >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> >>
> >>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came
> with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:
>  "Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's
> cruelty to animals."
> >>
> >>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
> >>
> >>And I'd do it again.
> >>
> >>I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.
> >>
> >>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
> furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
> >>- Original Message -
> >>>From:Natalie
> >>>To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>>Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
> >>>Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> >>>
> >>>I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most
> devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken
> doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder
> how a cat would feel if
> >>>he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having
> their paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat
> that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain
> that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
> cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have
> a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a
> woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug
> was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story
> is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will
> scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without goi

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-09-11 Thread dlgegg 
Maybe if we all spent more time and effort on education everyone would be 
better off.  here would not be so many abusd and unwanted children, cats and 
dogs and horses, etc.
I also have "pretty things.  I put them where they cannot be harmed and have 
many scratching alterntives around the house.  They also like the 4 x 4 posts 
of the deck and after 31 years of cats along with raccoons and possum climbing 
up and down them, they are still standing.  Not so pretty, but I don't care 
because if I did then I would not have cats to claw them.  So many people get 
animals just like they have children without giving a thought to how much care 
they will need in their lifetime.  They want.  They get and then when it is too 
much trouble, they dispose of it.  It is part of our throw away mentality today.
 MaiMaiPG  wrote: 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote:
> 
> > Education can get people to look for alternatives...the more  
> > education, the harder (hopefully) they will look.  I really believe  
> > that there are times it is best for the cat--sorry, I know a lot of  
> > you disagree--and my boys have their claws as have most of my cats.   
> > The boys were tiny when they adopted me and we have had numerous  
> > lessons and I buy things that are difficult to harm/I won't be  
> > devastated if they are scratched etc.  There are two 8 foot pieces  
> > of foam insulation in the garage that they have claimed and there  
> > are several doorways (rustic log house, plank trim, if they ever  
> > scratch through a piece I'll spend $70-80 and replace it).
> >
> > People need to think things out.  If possessions are that important  
> > then maybe they need fish or a ..And yes, I have a lot of  
> > very nice things that would break my heart to loose.  They are in  
> > glass cabinets or are not reachable.  Unfortunately, a lot of people  
> > think these little guys are disposable and without a soul.  I feel  
> > sorry for those people.
> > On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beth wrote:
> >
> >> Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them  
> >> about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or  
> >> suggest they adopt an already declawed cat.
> >> I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will  
> >> just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I  
> >> think education is the best way to get people away from declawing.
> >>
> >> Beth
> >> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >>
> >>
> >> From: tamara stickler 
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is  
> >> illegal!
> >>
> >> I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to  
> >> declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for  
> >> any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in  
> >> 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.
> >>
> >> I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that  
> >> adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or  
> >> twice a month to clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't  
> >> understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to  
> >> herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing her cat to  
> >> keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
> >>
> >> Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you  
> >> an apt. and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
> >>
> >> Tamara
> >>
> >> -


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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-08-29 Thread MaiMaiPG 


On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote:

Education can get people to look for alternatives...the more  
education, the harder (hopefully) they will look.  I really believe  
that there are times it is best for the cat--sorry, I know a lot of  
you disagree--and my boys have their claws as have most of my cats.   
The boys were tiny when they adopted me and we have had numerous  
lessons and I buy things that are difficult to harm/I won't be  
devastated if they are scratched etc.  There are two 8 foot pieces  
of foam insulation in the garage that they have claimed and there  
are several doorways (rustic log house, plank trim, if they ever  
scratch through a piece I'll spend $70-80 and replace it).


People need to think things out.  If possessions are that important  
then maybe they need fish or a ..And yes, I have a lot of  
very nice things that would break my heart to loose.  They are in  
glass cabinets or are not reachable.  Unfortunately, a lot of people  
think these little guys are disposable and without a soul.  I feel  
sorry for those people.

On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beth wrote:

Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them  
about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or  
suggest they adopt an already declawed cat.
I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will  
just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I  
think education is the best way to get people away from declawing.


Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org


From: tamara stickler 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is  
illegal!


I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to  
declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for  
any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in  
1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.


I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that  
adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or  
twice a month to clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't  
understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to  
herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing her cat to  
keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.


Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you  
an apt. and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!


Tamara

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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-08-29 Thread Peggy Verdonck 
I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to
have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/

On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about
declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt
an already declawed cat.
> I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just
end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education
is the best way to get people away from declawing.
>
>
> Beth
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>
>
>
> 
> From: tamara stickler 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>
>
> I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT
- I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place
in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the
cat.
>
> I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from
a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip
the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane -
even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is
allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing
to do that.
>
> Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt.
and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
>
> Tamara
>
> --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
>
>
>>From: Natalie 
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm
>>A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
http://www.declawing.com/list.html
>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>
>>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came
with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:
 "Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's
cruelty to animals."
>>
>>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
>>
>>And I'd do it again.
>>
>>I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.
>>
>>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
>>- Original Message -
>>>From:Natalie
>>>To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
>>>Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>>
>>>I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder
how a cat would feel if
>>>he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having
their paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat
that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain
that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have
a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a
woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug
was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story
is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will
scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into
the gory details of declawing.
>>>Natalie
>>>
>>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
>>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>>
>>>Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
>>>
>>>I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
death af

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-08-29 Thread Beth 
Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about 
declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an 
already declawed cat.
I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up 
with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the 
best way to get people away from declawing.

 
Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



From: tamara stickler 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!


I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I 
DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes 
(as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.
 
I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a 
shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the 
cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even 
after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing 
her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
 
Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt. and 
job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!  
 
Tamara

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:


>From: Natalie 
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
>
>
> 
>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: 
>http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm 
>A list of countries where declawing is illegal: 
>http://www.declawing.com/list.html
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>  
>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came with 
>a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:  
>"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty 
>to animals."
> 
>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
> 
>And I'd do it again.
> 
>I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.
> 
>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
>furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
>- Original Message - 
>>From:Natalie 
>>To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
>>Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>> 
>>I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most 
>>devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
>>doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how 
>>a cat would feel if  
>>he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
>>paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
>>Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that 
>>they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering 
>>in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of 
>>an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman 
>>writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was 
>>being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is 
>>heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
>>and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory 
>>details of declawing. 
>>Natalie 
>>  
>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>  
>>Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
>>program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
>>
>>I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
>>after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
>>Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.   
>>On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>>OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going 
>&

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-08-29 Thread tamara stickler 
I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I 
DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes 
(as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.
 
I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a 
shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the 
cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even 
after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing 
her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
 
Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt. and 
job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!  
 
Tamara

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:


From: Natalie 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM






A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: 
http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm 
A list of countries where declawing is illegal: 
http://www.declawing.com/list.html 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 


Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came with 
a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:  
"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to 
animals."

 

Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.

 

And I'd do it again.

 

I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.

 

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=


- Original Message - 

From: Natalie 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 
I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most 
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how a 
cat would feel if 
he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws 
mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for 
Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either 
climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the 
corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of an 
article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes 
about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being 
scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is 
heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory 
details of declawing.
Natalie
 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.  

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:


OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy 
and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I 
guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead 
of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own 
furniture!
I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older 
cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats).
There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the 
damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill 
them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the 
problems as well as they could.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Keep Cats Indoors
 

[Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-08-27 Thread Natalie 
A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm 

A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
http://www.declawing.com/list.html 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 

Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came
with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:
"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty
to animals."

 

Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.

 

And I'd do it again.

 

I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.

 

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- Original Message - 

From: Natalie   

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 

I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder
how a cat would feel if 

he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their
paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that
Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that
they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have
a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a
woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug
was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story
is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will
scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into
the gory details of declawing.

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 

Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw
them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.  

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:

OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going
crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!

There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I
guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere
instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the
tenants' own furniture!

I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an
older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er)
cats).

There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few
abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all
the damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or
kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt
with the problems as well as they could.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Keep Cats Indoors

 Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate
enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely
to require declawing.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:

That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with
claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
natural defense for declawed cats!

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