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2005-05-26 Thread Karolyn Lount

That Hospital would have had to pay for their disposal. They do not
get to dispose the expired animals for free

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2005-05-26 Thread tamara stickler

This is the last time I'll comment on this thread, I promise

Yes, vet hospitals, shelters, etc. DO have to pay ...per pound...to dispose of the deceased animals this is why they charge for drop offs. (This is why the owner of DAR in MD was charged with dumping carcusses from his no kill into the Baltimore County animal shelter's freezer - it wasn't just because of tresspassing, but he was costing them hundreds of dollars by leaving animals there-they now keep a pad lock and cameras trained on the freezer unit).Karolyn Lount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That "Hospital" would have had to pay for their disposal. They do notget to dispose the expired animals for free
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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.

Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted.
Cherie
Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:

This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJDate: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yardE. Orange resident operates rescue agencyFriday, May 20, 2005BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISONStar-Ledger StaffOver two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as acaregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue andadoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it homeherself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like inpractice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complainingabout a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38of them in one
room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bagsin the back yard.The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor theyproduced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to thetwo-story home on State Street."Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated HumaneSocieties, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, whichoperates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orangefrom Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. Morearrived while she was there."She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- andthat she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they'redying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for thePrevention of Cruelty to Animals.When those cats did die, they went into
large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Thenthey went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the EastOrange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School.Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or morevermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become sodecomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had beenplacing dead cats in the yard since she moved in, Bierman said."I haven't seen anything quite like this," Bierman said. "Certainly it's anunusual incident."Kess, seen arguing with animal-welfare officials outside the home, declinedto comment.She was cited for several East Orange health code violations, among themkeeping an unlawful number of animals, harboring dead animals and creating apotential environmental hazard by keeping the corpses on her property, citysanitary inspector Frank Habegger said last night.In addition, the SPCA charged
her with 38 counts of failing to properlyshelter cats. The counts stem from the cats being locked together in a frontroom. Some of the cats were healthy, while others were ill. Under stateregulations, anyone keeping large numbers of animals must separate the sickfrom the healthy.Ten other healthy cats were roaming free in the house.Both investigations were continuing. This morning, public works crews wereexpected to remove

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2005-05-24 Thread tamara stickler

Mia,

I don't think you really have to worry. This particular Kitty Kind, just like Defenders of Animal Rights, Inc. aka Adopt A Pet in MD, is an example of good intentions gone bad...whether through emotion (this particular Kitty Kind I'm assuming) or greed (as in D.A.R.I know first hand). While those of us associated with animal rescue will forward these messages to one another, it is intended, mainly from our stance, to avoid recommending this rescue as a place to "help", dump, unwanted animals...or as a warning to not use for fostering purposes. As rescue-ers should anyone wish to adopt an animal, they would be warned to make certain that said cat was properly vetted, and not to leave access monies...but would be urged to adopt from them to help alieviate(sp?) the burden.

The animals suffer most from organization that, while vowing to protect defend, actually defraud and take advantage ofkind hearted people and animals in bad situations.

There ARE some places worse than death for unwanted animals...BELIEVE me, I've seen first hand TOO many. Ironically, all started out with the very best of intentions and were either overwhelmed by animals needing their help, or tempted too highly with the easy lure of money by people wanting to help, but not willing to do the leg work- so they write a check, and MOST really don't want to know where the money goes, but either trust the organization or are satisfied to believe that it went to the animals.

Knowledge of the truth, will never be a true deteriment to anyone seeking help.

TMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Nina





Mia,
I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved
with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of
course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any
human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help
but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone
who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights.
Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved,
but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer.
Nina

Mia Nicer wrote:

  
  Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a
fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am
not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with
the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I
do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is
in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to
what I have to say about it:
  
  This situation is extremely
horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue
group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for
these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and
fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their
own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know
anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to
this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please
do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There
are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them
to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.
  
  
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind Rescue,
East Orange, NJ.
Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.


 Original Message 
Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400

Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
Friday, May 20, 2005
BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
Star-Ledger Staff
Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a
caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and
adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it
home
herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.
Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in
practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor
complaining
about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house
-- 38
of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage
bags
in the back yard.
The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they
produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded
to the
two-story home on State Street.
"Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane
Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."
Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind,
which
operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East
Orange
from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More
arrived while she was there.
"She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia --
and
that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when
they're
dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the
Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.
When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags.
Then
they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East
Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School.
Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more
vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become
so
decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had
been
placing dead cats in the yard since she moved in, Bierman said.
"I haven't seen anything quite like this," Bierman said. "Certainly
it's an
unusual incident."
Kess, seen arguing with animal-welfare officials outside the home,
declined
to comment.
She was cited for several East Orange health code violations, among them
keeping an unlawful number of animals, harboring dead animals and
creating a
potential environmental hazard by keeping the corpses on her property,
city
sanitary inspector Frank Habegger said last night.
In addition, the SPCA charged her with 38 counts of failing to properly
shelter cats. The counts stem from the cats being locked together in a
front
room. Some of the cats were healthy, while others were ill. Under state
regulations, anyone keeping large numbers of animals must separate the
sick
from the healthy.
Ten other healthy cats were roaming free in the house.
Both investigations were continuing. This morning, public works crews
were

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Nina,
You are too kind.I am not so understanding, she runs the shelter and should be an influence to others that volunteer , and by doing what she has done it more or less condones it for the volunteers.
CherieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mia,I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights. Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved, but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer.NinaMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. *I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do
know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:* ** *This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help
anyone. * */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in
practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was
there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become so decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had been placing dead cats in the yard since she moved in, Bierman said. "I haven't seen anything quite like this," Bierman said. "Certainly it's
an unusual incident." Kess, seen arguing with animal-welfare officials outside the home, declined to comment. She was cited for several East Orange health code violations, among them keeping an unlawful number of animals, harboring dead animals and creating a potential environmental hazard by keeping the corpses on her property, city sanitary inspector Frank Habegger said last night. In addition, the SPCA charged her with 38 counts of failing to properly shelter cats. The counts stem from the cats being locked together in a front room. Some of the cats were healthy, while others were ill. Under state

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

I am not standing up for her or what she has done please read again what I have wrote. We were actually crying when we heard on the news what she did because we did get to meet some of these amazing cats during adoption events they held. Many rescuersalong withmyself are extremely upset by this and her actions.

What I was saying is that there are lots of volunteers and fosters who put in so much of their time and efforts that had nothing to do with this nor did they know and have just found out like you and me through the news and paper. They are extemely upset embarrassed by this event. Please realize the kitties along with the volunteers and foster *** who again have nothing to do with this event are the ones that will suffer. They have their own animals along with others that **are not in Marlene's care and are the ones suffering.

I am not affliated with this group but do know many that arefeeling the anger from the public because of Marlene and had no idea this was going on. They are just as angry about this asyou and me. Please do notthinkI am defending her in anyway as Ifeel the same about this situation as you. I am actually upset to think that you thought I was.I am just worried about the homeless cats that are still with Kitty Kind that are not in Marlene's care and with loving fosters and volunteers and are having to deal with people not wanting to adopt them.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted.
Cherie
Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Susan Loesch

Mia, I agree with both sides on this. And I see what you are saying - I wonder if perhaps the publicity the organization is receiving could be used to the advantage of the cats who remain in the program - sometimes something like this that horrifies people will also move them to action - and possibly adoptions might come from this that otherwise might not have happened. I will pray for that to happen.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted.
Cherie
Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I agree to a point, but my vet and the local vets around here, would take deceased animals and get rid of the bodies for you, with no cost, and I have made some calls and I have not found an animal hospital or vet around me that would not take the animal from you.

As for vet cost, if you can not afford it do not do it.I have 9 cats now and if I could not afford sick kitties or the vet bills, I would not have taken them.

I have a humane society (I use that lightly) that is completly over run, I have often thought about building a facility to house sick kitties, or last chance cats, the cost of such an endeaver is my only down fall.big as it may be. I have gone into the "humane society" with cleaning supplies and offered to clean up the kennels and they were completely appauld me and said it was fine the way it is...let me tell you the stench is something horried.

If there was a way and I am still looking I would definately put my money where my mouth is and help more that my 9..

The guy that would only meet you in a parking lot, needs to be investigated in my opinion that seems a little too fishy.
CherieChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Of course, the article doesnt really describe the condition of the living cats except that they were in one room. Certainly it is at the very least odd that someone would just dump the carcasses but then how much would it have cost to have each cremated. And if she couldnt afford the cremation, I doubt she could afford the vet bills. Ive never understood why the vet schools dont set up free or low-cost clinics for their students to help with this situation. It sounds like perhaps this is someone who got in way over their head As for mixing sick healthy cats, does FELV diagnosis automatically constitute sick

Believe me, Im not trying to make excuses for her but when as I look for a home for my Big Boy, Ive talked to any number of people who are clearly in over their head. One person, highly recommended by several local rescue groups for taking their FELV cats, refused to tell me where he lived wanted to meet me in a parking lot to get Big Boy. Rescue groups apparently meet him at Petco give him their FELV kittens. While he said the reason for not telling me where he was was because people would dump animals made some sense, I was flabergasted that no legitimate rescue group had ever seen his home. He might be great but who would ever know!

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:06 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, NJ]

Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted.

Cherie

Have a purrfect day
Cherie

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

To everyone in this group,

Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization.
Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis horrible. My previous email is to express my concernfor the cats with Kitty Kind and also the fosters and volunteers. Many of them are so upset and found out just like me and you.**Please remember some of those catsmight have beenwith them at one point and they thought Marlene was doing the right thing. I am just worried some of these cats who really need homes will not get adopted because of the bad media Marlene has given this group.Please remember that some of these cats are in foster homes and not with that woman!!

I hope I have not upset anyone with this email and have shed some light on the innocent kitties, fosters and volunteers. **Please remember they have just found out and just imagine how upset they must be.

MiaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mia,I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights. Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved, but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer.NinaMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. *I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do
know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:* ** *This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help
anyone. * */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in
practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was
there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become so decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had been placing dead cats in the yard since she

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

To everyone in this group,

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I feel for the volunteers and such, but they should have been friendly enough and they should have seen all the cats going home with her to at least question a little, I mean I would have asked and wanted to see some of the kitties I bonded with and come over to play with them...also what kind of human would do such a thing to a living creature as to put so many in one room?

I can see what you are tring to accomplish but I think it also should have fallen on the volunteers and contributors and of course foster parents should have inquired. All it would have taken was a quick visit or someone to ask some questions.
CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted.
Cherie
Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Tad Burnett





I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its
the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the
cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time
understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats
are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...
The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...
Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put
her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill
shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance
her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she
enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than
just locking her up

Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

  That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for
this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her
supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would
hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand
up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a
shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a
laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am
sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.
  
  Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so
shocked and disgusted.
  Cherie
  
  
  Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a
fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am
not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with
the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I
do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is
in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to
what I have to say about it:

This situation is extremely
horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue
group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for
these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and
fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their
own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know
anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to
this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please
do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There
are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them
to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind
Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.
  
  
 Original Message 
Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400
  
Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
Friday, May 20, 2005
BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
Star-Ledger Staff
Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a
caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and
adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it
home
herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.
Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in
practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor
complaining
about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house
-- 38
of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage
bags
in the back yard.
The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they
produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded
to the
two-story home on State Street.
"Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane
Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."
Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind,
which
operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East
Orange
from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More
arrived while she was there.
"She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia --
and
that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when
they're
dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the
Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.
When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags.
Then
they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East
Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School.
Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more
vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become
so
decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had
been
placing dead cats in the yard since

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them.
CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld
that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put
the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their
cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what
Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved
with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East

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2005-05-24 Thread tamara stickler

I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the amount of dead animals she had, and if they all passed within a short time of each other, then the other question is what killed them all so close together.

I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals.

Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?
Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Joan Doljan

I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the best course of action to treat her.

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals.

Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?
Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld
that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put
the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their
cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what
Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved
with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or

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2005-05-24 Thread tamara stickler

Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?

Ah...no..you'll get the more emotional response from me if you leave "animals" just where it is...

I love kids too, but at least they can speak up in the same language.

Trust mepeople who delibertly or through ignorance hurt animals  children...well, they are the lowest of the low.

I DO believe she should be punished...and it never occured to me that she had done something delibertly to hasten their deaths, but fixing a problem, or trying too does more in the long run than just punishing for the acts... This woman is prob. a "collector" who got in over her head...then who do you go too? Your friends and family think you're nuts...just "get rid of them, they're ONLY animals..." but it would break your heart to do so, no one understands so you'll just do it all yourself..you'll show them

I believe she needs therapy first...then it can be decided HOW to proceed...were the acts intentional...out of frustrationor the by-product of over empathy that turned into a logic  reality breakdown?

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. God help us all.

T

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

Cherie,

The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something.

a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!! not all are like the one you saw on tv.
MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted.
I hope the adoption rate goes up for the shelter and Kess gets what is coming to her...I am so enraged by this, sad for the animals but angry about the woman

Animals and children look to us to help, careand protect them...and as usual we have failed, and this woman is to blame.
CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To everyone in this group,

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Good thought, how about a metal health facility to be evaluated for 60 days, that is a lighter sentence and she will still feel the repercussions of her actions.Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the best course of action to treat her.

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals.

Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?
Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

I totally agree with you Tamara!!

Miatamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Mia and Tad,
Would you feel the same way if it were children as opposed to animals...Think about it, it is the same difference.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Mia,
When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part.

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

Animals and children look to us to help, careand protect them...and as usual we have failed, and this woman is to blame.
CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To everyone in this group,

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

I do agree she should no longer work with animals. It's so unfortunate because I am pretty sure she came into this wanting to do good for animals and in the end just didn't no her limits or when to ask for help.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals.

Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?
Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

you couldn't have said it any better!!

Miatamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?

Ah...no..you'll get the more emotional response from me if you leave "animals" just where it is...

I love kids too, but at least they can speak up in the same language.

Trust mepeople who delibertly or through ignorance hurt animals children...well, they are the lowest of the low.

I DO believe she should be punished...and it never occured to me that she had done something delibertly to hasten their deaths, but fixing a problem, or trying too does more in the long run than just punishing for the acts... This woman is prob. a "collector" who got in over her head...then who do you go too? Your friends and family think you're nuts...just "get rid of them, they're ONLY animals..." but it would break your heart to do so, no one understands so you'll just do it all yourself..you'll show them

I believe she needs therapy first...then it can be decided HOW to proceed...were the acts intentional...out of frustrationor the by-product of over empathy that turned into a logic reality breakdown?

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. God help us all.

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2005-05-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Well, I think that punishment is certainly not a solution, and I'm not sure 
without knowing her if psych help is called for.  But helping her find 
solutions to her animal problem would help, and in general a better system 
of dealing with the animal problem would solve a lot of problems.


It's just too easy to sweep the problem under the rug, and assume that all 
solutions to the animal problem are going to be Pollyanna-type  happy home 
life solutions (which they're not).


Gloria



At 12:39 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote:

I totally agree with you Tamara!!

Mia

tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Tad.  Punishment does very little to solve the 
problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more 
reasonable.  But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but 
not handle money  or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not 
lead at this point.  Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooT


Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just 
deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, 
and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford 
creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can 
not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it 
to them.

Cherie

Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in Its the thought that
counts I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However You can't
save them all...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd
most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse
there is no body to care for them...
The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...
Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put
her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill
shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance
her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she
enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than
just locking her up

Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

 That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this
 individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her
 supposed furry friends, If she treats her friends this way I would
 hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand
 up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a
 shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a
 laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am
 sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.

 Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and
 disgusted.
 Cherie


 Mia Nicer wrote:

 Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New
 York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for
 Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I
 am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I
 am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have
 to say about it:

 This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in
 the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer.
 Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted.
 This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their
 free time to help some of these and their own cats and have
 nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about
 it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this
 situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please
 do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this.
 There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it
 harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
 Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.


  Original Message 
 Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400

 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
 E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
 Friday, May 20, 2005
 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
 Star-Ledger Staff
 Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan
 as a
 caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her
 rescue and
 adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she
 took it home
 herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until
 its death.
 Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked
 like in
 practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a
 neighbor complaining
 about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside
 the house -- 38
 of them in one room -- and more

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2005-05-24 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



That 
would be fine with me!

  
  -Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:39 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please 
  read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, 
  NJ]
  
  Good thought, how about a metal health facility to be evaluated for 60 
  days, that is a lighter sentence and she will still feel the repercussions of 
  her actions.Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should 
NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the 
best course of action to treat her.

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the 
  animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of 
  putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. 
  Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the 
  amount of dead animals she had, and if they all passed within a short time 
  of each other, then the other question is what killed them all so close 
  together.
  
  I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near 
  animals.
  
  Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that 
  way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other 
  kids?
  Cherietamara stickler 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the 
problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more 
reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the 
shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she 
needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little 
psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her 
  just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in 
  one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could 
  not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one 
  else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they 
  trust us to give it to them.
  CherieTad Burnett 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I 
am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that 
counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However 
"You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time 
understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how 
many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for 
them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or 
another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it 
would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge 
to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for 
disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a 
days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than 
so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her 
upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is 
no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this 
 individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving 
her  supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends 
this way I would  hate to be her enemy. I am utterly 
speechless that anyone would stand  up for her and her 
organization, I say the volunteers should open a  shelter 
themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a 
 laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check 
out...I am  sick over this I would like to meet her in a 
dark alley.  Sorry...usually I am more gentle that 
this...I am just so shocked and  disgusted. 
Cherie  Mia Nicer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is 
Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey 
and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from 
Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she 
has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and 
I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my 
area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen 
to what I have to say about it:  This 
situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in 
the end it will be this rescue group

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to
help animals be used to babysit Kess.

We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

Animals and children look to us to help, careand protect them...and as usual we have failed, and this woman is to blame.
CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To everyone in this group,

MiaNina [EMAIL

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

We are all working towards happy home life solutions for all our furry friends. That is why I think she should not be able to come near animals and care giving.
Cherie"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I think that punishment is certainly not a solution, and I'm not sure without knowing her if psych help is called for. But helping her find solutions to her animal problem would help, and in general a better system of dealing with the animal problem would solve a lot of problems.It's just too easy to sweep the problem under the rug, and assume that all solutions to the animal problem are going to be Pollyanna-type happy home life solutions (which they're not).GloriaAt 12:39 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote:I totally agree with you Tamara!!Miatamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the
shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them.CherieTad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought thatcounts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can'tsave them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAndmost people don't have
any idea how many cats are PTS every day becousethere is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to puther in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no killshelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentanceher to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that sheenjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense thanjust locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her
and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. CherieMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say
about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess
Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy
looked like in practice. Summoned to the

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run.
Cherie

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

Animals and children look to us to help, careand protect them...and as usual we have failed, and this woman is to blame.
CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To everyone in this group,

Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization.
Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Now we just need to get our thoughts know to all.That is a big job
Cherie"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That would be fine with me!

-Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, NJ]

Good thought, how about a metal health facility to be evaluated for 60 days, that is a lighter sentence and she will still feel the repercussions of her actions.Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the best course of action to treat her.

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals.

Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?
Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Joan Doljan

I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when someone says a house smells, or their cats are always sick etc. I never send anyone anywhere unless I have seen the house or facility, or someone I trust has.

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

Animals and children look to us to help,

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2005-05-24 Thread Tad Burnett





Hi Mia
 She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where
its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry
about the old litter that I bury in my back yard...
 
But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it
would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the
good name of the people that have worked with her...

If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot
of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost
touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I
say give her a break and some help...

Tad 

Mia Nicer wrote:

  
  Thank you Tad. I
don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation
butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved
and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't
happen with anyone else. 
  
  Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I
am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that 
counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You
can't 
save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd

most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse

there is no body to care for them...
The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...
Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put 
her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill 
shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance

her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she

enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than 
just locking her up

Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

 That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for
this 
 individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her 
 supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I
would 
 hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would
stand 
 up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open
a 
 shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that
is a 
 laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I
am 
 sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.
 
 Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked
and 
 disgusted.
 Cherie
 

 Mia Nicer wrote:

 Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New
 York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for
 Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I
 am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I
 am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have
 to say about it:
 
 This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in
 the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer.
 Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted.
 This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their
 free time to help some of these and their own cats and have
 nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about
 it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this
 situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please
 do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this.
 There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it
 harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
 Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.


  Original Message 
 Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400

 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
 E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
 Friday, May 20, 2005
 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
 Star-Ledger Staff
 Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan
 as a
 caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her
 rescue and
 adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she
 took it home
 herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until
 its death.
 Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked
 like in
 practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a
 neighbor complaining
 about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside
 the house -- 38
 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed
 into garbage bags
 in the back yard.
 The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor
 they
 produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who
 responded to the
 two-story home on State Street.
 "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the
 Associated Humane
 Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was
 horrible."

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I am glad I am not the only one, who looks further into these people. I have seen some deplorable places, and they did not think anything was wrong.
CherieJoan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted.
I hope the

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also?
CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote:

Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to
get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for
it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer


I am totally with you on that Tad. I think she should not have let this happen and am so worried of all the people that volunteered their time to help the animals in this group. Alot of them are worried all their efforts will be forgotten, their names have badmouthedand are already getting horrble words said to them and spread about them. Not only are they sad and angry but also embarrassed and humiliated. People are no longer wanting to adopt from them and I feel so bad because most of the animals are in great foster homes with great people and now they are going to have such a hard time finding homes **like it wasn't hard enough.. I really think she needs to seperate the remaining animals -if not have them taken away from her. All those bags of corpses broke my heart, just writting this bring me to tears. Kess said she wanted to dispose of the humanely and in the end they got a worse disposal than ever imagined. 

I just wish she asked for help. I really think someone should maybe check how the funds were used. I really hope on the animals and not for her benefit. If so it just makes it 3x more harder for groups that really need it to get the help and you know how many could really use some help. Im pretty sure you like me and most rescuers out there use most of you own funds on you animals than on yourself.

Thanks so much for being open minded to this situation. Its nice to no someone feels the same way I do. I was thinking maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all. I just didn't want the animals to suffer after this event and let other know out there that not all the cats were with Marlene and most were in other great foster homes with amazing people and not in situations like the one seen on tv.

Thanks again,
MiaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: 


Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
 appauld that anyone would stand up for this  individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her  supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would  hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand  up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a  shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a  laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am  sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.  Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and  disgusted. Cherie  Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:  This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Mia,
The animals already have suffered, I just want Kess to suffer also..I would do anything to help the animals, maybe not so much the volunteers and the founder but at least the animals always come first.
CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am totally with you on that Tad. I think she should not have let this happen and am so worried of all the people that volunteered their time to help the animals in this group. Alot of them are worried all their efforts will be forgotten, their names have badmouthedand are already getting horrble words said to them and spread about them. Not only are they sad and angry but also embarrassed and humiliated. People are no longer wanting to adopt from them and I feel so bad because most of the animals are in great foster homes with great people and now they are going to have such a hard time finding homes **like it wasn't hard enough.. I really think she needs to seperate the remaining animals -if not have them taken away from her. All those bags of corpses broke my heart, just writting this bring me to tears. Kess said she wanted to dispose of the humanely and in the end they got a worse disposal than ever imagined. 

I just wish she asked for help. I really think someone should maybe check how the funds were used. I really hope on the animals and not for her benefit. If so it just makes it 3x more harder for groups that really need it to get the help and you know how many could really use some help. Im pretty sure you like me and most rescuers out there use most of you own funds on you animals than on yourself.

Thanks so much for being open minded to this situation. Its nice to no someone feels the same way I do. I was thinking maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all. I just didn't want the animals to suffer after this event and let other know out there that not all the cats were with Marlene and most were in other great foster homes with amazing people and not in situations like the one seen on tv.

Thanks again,
MiaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: 


Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
 appauld that anyone would stand up for this  individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her  supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would  hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand  up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a  shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a  laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am  sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.  Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and  disgusted. Cherie  Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:  This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

Yes someone should keep aneye out for Kess but to assume that every volunteer and foster should be responsible and should have known is **insane. That's like saying if your boss or the president of you job embezeled money from the company -if we found him guilty thenshould you also go to jail whether youknew or not? That working fora company automatically makes you responsible for everyone's actions in that company.Would you think you should go to jail if your boss did and you were innocent? I think not. Again rescue groups have such a hard time finding volunteers let alone fosters these people give whatever time they have to help the animals in need -not babysit the organization!! Lets just leave it at this and agree to disagree.

Just because they hung your boss- I would still never let them hang you.**I really hope some of you agree with me on this!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

But Joan The volunteers and fosters are not resposible for the animals that Kess takes home. Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Along those lines...we are not talking about a company we are talking about animals and people who CHOOSE to be there should CHOOSE to take responsibility and know all aspects and what goes on behind the scenes.
The boss gets in trouble you COULD very well possibly be in trouble also, accounts get IT all the time and I am an accountant.
Cherie
Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just because they hung your boss- I would still never let them hang you.**I really hope some of you agree with me on this!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

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2005-05-24 Thread Barb Moermond

frankly, I don't see that happening here - as overworked as a lot of child protective agencies are, there are too many checks and balances and places where kids are noticed - the neighbors would have called months ago f'rinstance. There are simply far more laws and societal rules in place to protect children and while there are definitely problems with the system, this society cares more about kids than animals (however little the difference may seem to be). NO, I don't think she should get away with this scot-free, but are YOU perfect? Have you never made a mis-judgment that could have snowballed? Being diligent about your animal's housing conditions is fabulous and that your vet thinks you can and should handle more is great. What if you didn't have that vet? What if you didn't have a good support network? What if you had severe emotional problems that just blew out of control in the middle of that?

We as a society are so quick to say "*I* would never have let "x" happen" - and maybe most of the time that's accurate, but it isn't 100%... Our society has some serious ills and our energy would be better spent trying to alter the thinking that makes it OK to dump unwanted animals or not spay/neuter or abuse those weaker than ourselves and maybe if we all developed more compassion for all of our fellow creatures and left the judging up to the higher powers (and the law), we could start to solve the problem of so many overflowing shelters and unwanted animals...

There is a huge disparity between having kids and being parents. I see it all the time where I live and I've come to the conclusion that humans should have to take parenting classes and become licensed in order to be able to procreate. It makes me nuts - former downstairs neighbor, 2 adults and 4 kids in a 2 bedroom 1 bath apt. The kids were always running around making LOTS of noise, never any supervision and when I would hear an adult voice, it would be yelling ugly things at the kids. People coming and going at all hours and then they got a puppy I would hear it whining and whining they'd had it locked in the bathroom - so neither the kids nor the puppy were getting what I would consider a good upbringing... I also had to call the police several times because of screaming throwing arguments from them... how is THAT raising those kids properly? anyhoo - big tangent here:)

stepping off soap-box!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to
get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for
it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Again, they should ask and shouls have been aware of what Kess was doing, if animals disappear from the shelter, you would inquire if they were adopted out or if she brought them home, then later ask about their and see if she needs any help...all things I myself have done and asked.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But Joan The volunteers and fosters are not resposible for the animals that Kess takes home. Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I am nowhere near perfect, and I am on that soap box also, that family should be investigated.alot of families should be, but when one actually gets found out I think an example should be made. Kess needs to be made an example of...and laws are way too lax where animals are concerned.

I also am very lucky to have all you listed to stand behind me, but I would still have my furr family even without them, I love my "kids" (of course my 5 yr old boy is first and foremost) and he is also another reason I will not expand right now, I would be taking away from him more than I am now, which is not fair by far.
Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

frankly, I don't see that happening here - as overworked as a lot of child protective agencies are, there are too many checks and balances and places where kids are noticed - the neighbors would have called months ago f'rinstance. There are simply far more laws and societal rules in place to protect children and while there are definitely problems with the system, this society cares more about kids than animals (however little the difference may seem to be). NO, I don't think she should get away with this scot-free, but are YOU perfect? Have you never made a mis-judgment that could have snowballed? Being diligent about your animal's housing conditions is fabulous and that your vet thinks you can and should handle more is great. What if you didn't have that vet? What if you didn't have a good support network? What if you had severe emotional problems that just blew out of control in the middle of that?

We as a society are so quick to say "*I* would never have let "x" happen" - and maybe most of the time that's accurate, but it isn't 100%... Our society has some serious ills and our energy would be better spent trying to alter the thinking that makes it OK to dump unwanted animals or not spay/neuter or abuse those weaker than ourselves and maybe if we all developed more compassion for all of our fellow creatures and left the judging up to the higher powers (and the law), we could start to solve the problem of so many overflowing shelters and unwanted animals...

There is a huge disparity between having kids and being parents. I see it all the time where I live and I've come to the conclusion that humans should have to take parenting classes and become licensed in order to be able to procreate. It makes me nuts - former downstairs neighbor, 2 adults and 4 kids in a 2 bedroom 1 bath apt. The kids were always running around making LOTS of noise, never any supervision and when I would hear an adult voice, it would be yelling ugly things at the kids. People coming and going at all hours and then they got a puppy I would hear it whining and whining they'd had it locked in the bathroom - so neither the kids nor the puppy were getting what I would consider a good upbringing... I also had to call the police several times because of screaming throwing arguments from them... how is THAT raising those kids properly? anyhoo - big tangent here:)

stepping off soap-box!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also?
CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: 


Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I agree, but she needs to be made an example of because what she did was WRONG.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to
get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for
it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they

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2005-05-24 Thread Tad Burnett





I agree...I would like to know the story behind the 200
dead animals...
That makes no sense to me...But if she took in a lot of sick FeLV+...
That is still a huge number to have outside and she has to be sick to 
let that happen..As I say there is a story behind that and I think we
need
to know it before we can pass judgment...
Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

  How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help
that person out also?
  Cherie
  
  Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Mia
 She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where
its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry
about the old litter that I bury in my back yard...
 
But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it
would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the
good name of the people that have worked with her...

If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot
of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost
touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I
say give her a break and some help...

Tad 

Mia Nicer wrote:

  
  Thank you Tad.
I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation
butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved
and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't
happen with anyone else. 
  
  Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  I
am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that 
counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You
can't 
save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd

most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse

there is no body to care for them...
The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...
Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put 
her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill 
shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance

her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she

enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than 
just locking her up

Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

 That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for
this 
 individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her 
 supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I
would 
 hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would
stand 
 up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open
a 
 shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that
is a 
 laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I
am 
 sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.
 
 Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked
and 
 disgusted.
 Cherie
 

 Mia Nicer wrote:

 Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New
 York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for
 Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I
 am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I
 am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have
 to say about it:
 
 This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in
 the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer.
 Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted.
 This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their
 free time to help some of these and their own cats and have
 nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about
 it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this
 situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please
 do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this.
 There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it
 harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
 Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.


  Original Message 
 Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400

 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
 E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
 Friday, May 20, 2005
 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
 Star-Ledger Staff
 Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan
 as a
 caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her
 rescue and
 adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she
 took it home
 herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until
 its death.
 Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked
 like in
 practice. Summoned to

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2005-05-24 Thread Barb Moermond

I agree that she made some very poor decisions, but until the authorities know exactly what is going on, and THEY know more than WE do, we just have the press, full judgment needs to be suspended until such time as deliberate cruelty is confirmed. And yes, the animal cruelty laws need to be much much stronger. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I agree, but she needs to be made an example of because what she did was WRONG.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to
get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for
it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

If she would have picked up the phone and called the local animal hospital I am sure they would have taken the dead animals...unless she did not want to answer questions, and that is just another mark against her.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree...I would like to know the story behind the 200 dead animals...That makes no sense to me...But if she took in a lot of sick FeLV+...That is still a huge number to have outside and she has to be sick to let that happen..As I say there is a story behind that and I think we needto know it before we can pass judgment...TadCherie A Gabbert wrote:

How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also?
CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: 


Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
 appauld that anyone would stand up for this  individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her  supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would  hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand  up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a  shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a  laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am  sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.  Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and  disgusted. Cherie  Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:  This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to
 get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.  Original Message  Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for
 it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I would say mixing that MANY sick and healthy kitties and having that many animals remains shows cruelty...she could have called someone or even left the bodies outside the animal hospital if she did not want to answer questions.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I agree, but she needs to be made an example of because what she did was WRONG.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

Barb Thank you so much for that!!! Everyone makes mistakes not everyone is perfect. She did somthing extremely wrong but she did do some great things in the past that did help animals. Still this is not an excuse.

miaBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

stepping off soap-box!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

Ithe volunteers and fosters come when they have the time most dont get the chance to meet all the animals, most of them were not aware of how many animals were in her care. They work full-time and try to spend the free time they have when they are not with their familyshelping these animals. Now realize they have their own plus the own at the off-site event and a ton everyday being dropped off by unresponsible owners or people with strays. Now Marlene lives in New Jersey a different state mind you and some have not even met her. They try to devote their time to the animals not chasing this woman down.

I understand someone should watch over he organization but that should be done within the higher ups in the organization or better yet an outside source making sure everything is done right. I agree with you on this butnot peoplethe who try to give the extra hour or 2 they have in the week helping a few animals try to find a good home. Its one thing to inquire and ask questions its another to be led to believe something else. Volunteering is a gift to these rescue groups by extradinary people-it is not their fulltime job. Try to take it easy on some of them.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But Joan The volunteers and fosters are not resposible for the animals that Kess takes home. Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need

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2005-05-24 Thread Mia Nicer

The local animal hospital wouldn't have taken the animals -not 200 maybe 1 or 2 but would have charged her. She just shouldn't have let it happen at all.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If she would have picked up the phone and called the local animal hospital I am sure they would have taken the dead animals...unless she did not want to answer questions, and that is just another mark against her.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I agree...I would like to know the story behind the 200 dead animals...That makes no sense to me...But if she took in a lot of sick FeLV+...That is still a huge number to have outside and she has to be sick to let that happen..As I say there is a story behind that and I think we needto know it before we can pass judgment...TadCherie A Gabbert wrote:

How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also?
CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: 


Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
 appauld that anyone would stand up for this  individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her  supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would  hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand  up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a  shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a  laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am  sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.  Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and  disgusted. Cherie  Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:  This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to
 get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.  Original Message  Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and

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2005-05-24 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Absolutely not, but we are not talking about a company, we are talking about animal welfare, and the people closely involved.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

but do you feel that everyone in that company lets say 500 should be resposible and know what each other is doing. I agree there should be someone to keep an eye out on Kess and the organization but that would be best left to an outside organization or resource. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just because they hung your boss- I would still never let them hang you.**I really hope some of you agree with me on this!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.

Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cherie,

I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.

MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them

I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a

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