Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures Update
So what are you going to do with him Caroline??? Keep him?? That's such good news. I think his adoptive parents just couldn't handle his activity. I hate when people adopt and haven't given it any thought. My father did that with a beagle. He was 85 when he adopted Toby. I told dad the dog would outlive him and I wouldn't be taking him. As it was, mom got really ill he couldn't handle Toby, a person took him, got rid of him because he howelled and I have no idea where Toby ended up. It makes me angry when I think of it. No thought of the consequences whatsoever. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Caroline Kaufmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Seizures Update > > Here's an update on my adopted/returned foster cat with alleged seizures: > By the time his appt rolled around yesterday with the vet of my choice, >> I knew it was going to go well. The more people I talked to about it, >> the >> more people said there was something wrong with those people at that >> house >> and having him out of there was the most important thing. But he's just >> gotten better and better. I have no trouble medicating him at all. Just >> those first few times. He's actually one of the easiest I've ever >> medicated >> now!! I haven't had a scratch or a bite yet and it goes super fast-- >> he's a good boy! The odd aggressive behavior is lessened. He totally >> trusts me already and is a complete love-bug. He is just a quirky, >> willful >> little thing and that's just his personality-- he wants to run around and >> be >> hyper and get into everything and so sometimes when I scoop him up, he >> does >> that growling, but it's funny/harmless. Most importantly, no seizures-- >> no >> signs of seizures. I've had him since Thursday and you'd think he never >> left me with the way he responds to me! >> >> So the vet saw a totally healthy, friendly, bright, Curious George Cat >> yesterday! He just walks all over the exam room, jumps in the doctor's >> lap >> and rolls around!, purrs, tries to get into everything! It's great to >> watch. Dr. said we have a very healthy cat and he can't believe >> those people said they were going to put him down! He said this is not a >> cat you even consider that with! He agrees there was possible abuse. >> But >> he also suggested that-- upon watching the cat's behavior in the exam >> room- >> that he is a cat who wants to get into everything so he thinks it's very >> possible the cat got into something- like a chemical- and the people- >> since >> they are so weird- just didn't know and overreacted. He said that's very >> possible and with the way that cats metabolize things so slowly, it might >> just take a while for him to work it out of his system and that could be >> why >> he maybe had continuing seizures (if he even had them). He said since >> there's been so seizures and the cat is happy, he doesn't want to change >> anything. Stay on the same dose of phenobarb for 1 mth. Then he wants >> to >> see him again in a month and they will take blood and get a phenobarb >> level >> at that time. Then we will work on taking him off it slowly and >> monitoring >> the level. He said if we start taking him off and he has a seizure- then >> we >> know he was having them, but at least we know that the phenobarb will >> control it. But Dr. said no signs of a neurological defect-- none at >> all. No need to even consider a catscan b/c there's just no signs-- >> totally >> alert and bright. He said if it was FIP, there'd be other neurological >> signs, like ataxia. But also, I don't know if I told you that?- adoptive >> parents vet called on sat- and everything negative- fip, toxo, felv, fiv- >> neg. Dr. confirmed too that blood work "looks great." Good news all >> around! He's a happy, healthy, bouncing boy and I'm glad to have him >> back >> in my care! > Thanks for everyone's input, care and concern! >> Caroline > > _ > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. > http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > __ NOD32 3366 (20080819) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures Update
Caroline, looks like that precious baby has found his forever home with you! How lucky for both of you. Keep us updated, please.Debbie (COL)"You gotta bloom where you're planted!"> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:16:42 -0400> Subject: [Felvtalk] Seizures Update> > > Here's an update on my adopted/returned foster cat with alleged seizures: > By the time his appt rolled around yesterday with the vet of my choice,> > I knew it was going to go well. The more people I talked to about it, the> > more people said there was something wrong with those people at that house> > and having him out of there was the most important thing. But he's just> > gotten better and better. I have no trouble medicating him at all. Just> > those first few times. He's actually one of the easiest I've ever medicated> > now!! I haven't had a scratch or a bite yet and it goes super fast--> > he's a good boy! The odd aggressive behavior is lessened. He totally> > trusts me already and is a complete love-bug. He is just a quirky, willful> > little thing and that's just his personality-- he wants to run around and be> > hyper and get into everything and so sometimes when I scoop him up, he does> > that growling, but it's funny/harmless. Most importantly, no seizures-- no> > signs of seizures. I've had him since Thursday and you'd think he never> > left me with the way he responds to me!> > > > So the vet saw a totally healthy, friendly, bright, Curious George Cat> > yesterday! He just walks all over the exam room, jumps in the doctor's lap> > and rolls around!, purrs, tries to get into everything! It's great to> > watch. Dr. said we have a very healthy cat and he can't believe> > those people said they were going to put him down! He said this is not a> > cat you even consider that with! He agrees there was possible abuse. But> > he also suggested that-- upon watching the cat's behavior in the exam room-> > that he is a cat who wants to get into everything so he thinks it's very> > possible the cat got into something- like a chemical- and the people- since> > they are so weird- just didn't know and overreacted. He said that's very> > possible and with the way that cats metabolize things so slowly, it might> > just take a while for him to work it out of his system and that could be why> > he maybe had continuing seizures (if he even had them). He said since> > there's been so seizures and the cat is happy, he doesn't want to change> > anything. Stay on the same dose of phenobarb for 1 mth. Then he wants to> > see him again in a month and they will take blood and get a phenobarb level> > at that time. Then we will work on taking him off it slowly and monitoring> > the level. He said if we start taking him off and he has a seizure- then we> > know he was having them, but at least we know that the phenobarb will> > control it. But Dr. said no signs of a neurological defect-- none at> > all. No need to even consider a catscan b/c there's just no signs-- totally> > alert and bright. He said if it was FIP, there'd be other neurological> > signs, like ataxia. But also, I don't know if I told you that?- adoptive> > parents vet called on sat- and everything negative- fip, toxo, felv, fiv-> > neg. Dr. confirmed too that blood work "looks great." Good news all> > around! He's a happy, healthy, bouncing boy and I'm glad to have him back> > in my care!> Thanks for everyone's input, care and concern!> > Caroline > > _> See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts.> http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures Update
That's wonderful, Caroline!! Gloria On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > Here's an update on my adopted/returned foster cat with alleged > seizures: > By the time his appt rolled around yesterday with the vet of my > choice, >> I knew it was going to go well. The more people I talked to about >> it, the >> more people said there was something wrong with those people at >> that house >> and having him out of there was the most important thing. But he's >> just >> gotten better and better. I have no trouble medicating him at >> all. Just >> those first few times. He's actually one of the easiest I've ever >> medicated >> now!! I haven't had a scratch or a bite yet and it goes super >> fast-- >> he's a good boy! The odd aggressive behavior is lessened. He >> totally >> trusts me already and is a complete love-bug. He is just a quirky, >> willful >> little thing and that's just his personality-- he wants to run >> around and be >> hyper and get into everything and so sometimes when I scoop him up, >> he does >> that growling, but it's funny/harmless. Most importantly, no >> seizures-- no >> signs of seizures. I've had him since Thursday and you'd think he >> never >> left me with the way he responds to me! >> >> So the vet saw a totally healthy, friendly, bright, Curious George >> Cat >> yesterday! He just walks all over the exam room, jumps in the >> doctor's lap >> and rolls around!, purrs, tries to get into everything! It's great >> to >> watch. Dr. said we have a very healthy cat and he can't believe >> those people said they were going to put him down! He said this is >> not a >> cat you even consider that with! He agrees there was possible >> abuse. But >> he also suggested that-- upon watching the cat's behavior in the >> exam room- >> that he is a cat who wants to get into everything so he thinks it's >> very >> possible the cat got into something- like a chemical- and the >> people- since >> they are so weird- just didn't know and overreacted. He said >> that's very >> possible and with the way that cats metabolize things so slowly, it >> might >> just take a while for him to work it out of his system and that >> could be why >> he maybe had continuing seizures (if he even had them). He said >> since >> there's been so seizures and the cat is happy, he doesn't want to >> change >> anything. Stay on the same dose of phenobarb for 1 mth. Then he >> wants to >> see him again in a month and they will take blood and get a >> phenobarb level >> at that time. Then we will work on taking him off it slowly and >> monitoring >> the level. He said if we start taking him off and he has a >> seizure- then we >> know he was having them, but at least we know that the phenobarb will >> control it. But Dr. said no signs of a neurological defect-- none at >> all. No need to even consider a catscan b/c there's just no >> signs-- totally >> alert and bright. He said if it was FIP, there'd be other >> neurological >> signs, like ataxia. But also, I don't know if I told you that?- >> adoptive >> parents vet called on sat- and everything negative- fip, toxo, >> felv, fiv- >> neg. Dr. confirmed too that blood work "looks great." Good news all >> around! He's a happy, healthy, bouncing boy and I'm glad to have >> him back >> in my care! > Thanks for everyone's input, care and concern! >> Caroline > > _ > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured > posts. > http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!
This sounds like a perfect match...congratulations!Debbie (COL)"You gotta bloom where you're planted!"> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:21:11 -0400> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!> > > Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good ways sometimes! Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned foster suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the height of my stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long time. My feleuk foster Manny has a home. A lady and her 14 yo son were coming to look at him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed myself to get excited about it b/c I am realistic. But they knew he had feleuk and still wanted to see him (tho they have never had a feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that died a few months ago a few mths apart). The son needed time to grieve but has recently been asking for a cat. They just want 1 so a foster friend suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running out of rooms! They have already been screened by the organization I am adopting him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to see him. AND they are cousins by marriage of one of my fellow foster friends! Manny is the healthiest thing ever and he's flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, not an ounce of fat, vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha male who rules humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to interact with!!! He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes the dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the brains area. I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't already had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular kitten fosters.> > So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but they asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they feel comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we will have a very "open" adoption! She is a nurse so she has a great base of knowledge for understanding his disease! I just want him to have a home so I have told them that I will help personally with vet bills so that he can have his red blood cells monitored every 6 months and should he ever get sick- with the treatment. The organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with another one on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet bills in all cases and will assist with his should he get sick! They said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and they said "we just know it's him!" I just can't believe I got my Manny a home I have a few days to spend with him to say goodbye so I can ease myself into it-- they want to clean the house for Manny and have to get a litterbox, etc. because they threw things out. I just can't even explain to you how happy I am but I know you all share my joy! Manny finally gets a young boy to PLAY WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird watch from ALL DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)! I couldn't possibly want more for him.> > Caroline > _> Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share.> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!
Have you checked with Susan re the seizures? They could be vaccine related. On Aug 15, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good > ways sometimes! Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned > foster suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the > height of my stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long > time. My feleuk foster Manny has a home. A lady and her 14 yo son > were coming to look at him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed > myself to get excited about it b/c I am realistic. But they knew he > had feleuk and still wanted to see him (tho they have never had a > feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that died a few months > ago a few mths apart). The son needed time to grieve but has > recently been asking for a cat. They just want 1 so a foster friend > suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just > don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running > out of rooms! They have already been screened by the organization I > am adopting him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to > see him. AND they are cousins by marriage of one of my fellow > foster friends! Manny is the healthiest thing ever and he's > flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, not an ounce of fat, > vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha male who rules > humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to interact > with!!! He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes the > dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the > brains area. I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't > already had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular > kitten fosters. > > So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but > they asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they > feel comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we > will have a very "open" adoption! She is a nurse so she has a great > base of knowledge for understanding his disease! I just want him to > have a home so I have told them that I will help personally with vet > bills so that he can have his red blood cells monitored every 6 > months and should he ever get sick- with the treatment. The > organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with another one > on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet bills in > all cases and will assist with his should he get sick! They > said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization > that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and > they said "we just know it's him!" I just can't believe I got my > Manny a home I have a few days to spend with him to say > goodbye so I can ease myself into it-- they want to clean the house > for Manny and have to get a litterbox, etc. because they threw > things out. I just can't even explain to you how happy I am but I > know you all share my joy! Manny finally gets a young boy to PLAY > WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird watch from ALL > DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)! I couldn't > possibly want more for him. > > Caroline > _ > Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to > share. > http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!
Caroline, I'm so happy for Manny, for his new family, and for you. What a great development! Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!! Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good ways sometimes! Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned foster suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the height of my stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long time. My feleuk foster Manny has a home. A lady and her 14 yo son were coming to look at him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed myself to get excited about it b/c I am realistic. But they knew he had feleuk and still wanted to see him (tho they have never had a feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that died a few months ago a few mths apart). The son needed time to grieve but has recently been asking for a cat. They just want 1 so a foster friend suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running out of rooms! They have already been screened by the organization I am adopting him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to see him. AND they are cousins by marriage of one of my fellow foster friends! Manny is the healthiest thing ever and he's flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, not an ounce of fat, vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha male who rules humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to interact with!!! He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes the dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the brains area. I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't already had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular kitten fosters. So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but they asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they feel comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we will have a very "open" adoption! She is a nurse so she has a great base of knowledge for understanding his disease! I just want him to have a home so I have told them that I will help personally with vet bills so that he can have his red blood cells monitored every 6 months and should he ever get sick- with the treatment. The organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with another one on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet bills in all cases and will assist with his should he get sick! They said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and they said "we just know it's him!" I just can't believe I got my Manny a home I have a few days to spend with him to say goodbye so I can ease myself into it-- they want to clean the house for Manny and have to get a litterbox, etc. because they threw things out. I just can't even explain to you how happy I am but I know you all share my joy! Manny finally gets a young boy to PLAY WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird watch from ALL DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)! I couldn't possibly want more for him. Caroline _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Phot o_Gallery_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?
you wouldn't substitute the pheno w/steroids, but it all depends on the cause of the seizures. my Ninja had seizures that started out once every few weeks and ended up being 5-7 a day - I spoke with several vets and we started her on prednisone under the supposition that my positive kitty had a brain tumor (meningioma) and that controlled them beautifully - we couldn't taper the dosage down tho, as is usual w/steroids, as the seizures would return. she did great on just the pred for controlling them for about 2.5-3 mos and then we needed to add pheno to the mix - but her last 2 months were seizure free - intestinal lymphoma ended up being her end. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:16:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures? Hi, I don't think you could substitute steroids for phenobarbital as steroids don't have a sedating effect, more of an anti-inflammatory effect. I know valium is sometimes prescribed in addition to phenobarbital for seizures. We were so fortunate to find a great veterinary neurologist for our cat. The first two vets we went to said to euthanize the cat but I refused to and I searched out the neurologist and he acted like the seizures weren't such a huge deal. I love him! Please let us know what you find out when you get the lab results. You may actually have a physically healthy cat that just needs time to recover from psychological distress. Prozac may be helpful to him. Michele ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!
Caroline, this is the best news I've heard in a long time. I am so happy for your Manny and the wonderful sounding people who are getting him. You've done a wonderful job. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Caroline Kaufmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!! > > Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good ways > sometimes! Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned foster > suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the height of my > stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long time. My feleuk > foster Manny has a home. A lady and her 14 yo son were coming to look at > him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed myself to get excited about it > b/c I am realistic. But they knew he had feleuk and still wanted to see > him (th > o they have never had a feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that > died a few months ago a few mths apart). The son needed time to grieve > but has recently been asking for a cat. They just want 1 so a foster > friend suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just > don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running out of > rooms! They have already been screened by the organization I am adopting > him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to see him. AND > they a > re cousins by marriage of one of my fellow foster friends! Manny is the > healthiest thing ever and he's flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, > not an ounce of fat, vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha > male who rules humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to > interact with!!! He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes > the dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the > brains area. I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't alre > ady had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular kitten > fosters. > > So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but they > asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they feel > comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we will have a > very "open" adoption! She is a nurse so she has a great base of knowledge > for understanding his disease! I just want him to have a home so I have > told them that I will help personally with vet bills so that he can have > his red blood cells monitored every 6 months and should he ever get sick- > with > the treatment. The organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with > another one on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet > bills in all cases and will assist with his should he get sick! > They said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization > that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and they > said "we just know it's him!" I just can't believe I got my Manny a > home I have a few days to spend with him to say goodbye so I can > ease m > yself into it-- they want to clean the house for Manny and have to get a > litterbox, etc. because they threw things out. I just can't even explain > to you how happy I am but I know you all share my joy! Manny finally gets > a young boy to PLAY WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird > watch from ALL DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)! I > couldn't possibly want more for him. > > Caroline > _ > Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. > http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > __ NOD32 3360 (20080815) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!
What fantastic news Caroline. Manny is one lucky fella. Sharyl --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!! To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:21 PM Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good ways sometimes! Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned foster suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the height of my stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long time. My feleuk foster Manny has a home. A lady and her 14 yo son were coming to look at him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed myself to get excited about it b/c I am realistic. But they knew he had feleuk and still wanted to see him (tho they have never had a feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that died a few months ago a few mths apart). The son needed time to grieve but has recently been asking for a cat. They just want 1 so a foster friend suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running out of rooms! They have already been screened by the organization I am adopting him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to see him. AND they are cousins by marriage of one of my fellow foster friends! Manny is the healthiest thing ever and he's flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, not an ounce of fat, vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha male who rules humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to interact with!!! He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes the dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the brains area. I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't already had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular kitten fosters. So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but they asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they feel comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we will have a very "open" adoption! She is a nurse so she has a great base of knowledge for understanding his disease! I just want him to have a home so I have told them that I will help personally with vet bills so that he can have his red blood cells monitored every 6 months and should he ever get sick- with the treatment. The organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with another one on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet bills in all cases and will assist with his should he get sick! They said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and they said "we just know it's him!" I just can't believe I got my Manny a home I have a few days to spend with him to say goodbye so I can ease myself into it-- they want to clean the house for Manny and have to get a litterbox, etc. because they threw things out. I just can't even explain to you how happy I am but I know you all share my joy! Manny finally gets a young boy to PLAY WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird watch from ALL DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)! I couldn't possibly want more for him. Caroline _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures and some fabulous non-related news!!!
Well, I guess the lord truly does giveth and taketh away in a good ways sometimes! Just as I am struggling to deal with my returned foster suffering from seziures of unknown origin and reaching the height of my stress...I also have the best news I have had in a long time. My feleuk foster Manny has a home. A lady and her 14 yo son were coming to look at him tonight at 6:00 and I had not allowed myself to get excited about it b/c I am realistic. But they knew he had feleuk and still wanted to see him (tho they have never had a feleuk- had two cats that lived to be 18-20 that died a few months ago a few mths apart). The son needed time to grieve but has recently been asking for a cat. They just want 1 so a foster friend suggested my Manny b/c I'm desperate to get him home b/c I just don't have the set up for him to have much of a life here-- running out of rooms! They have already been screened by the organization I am adopting him thru or else they wouldn't have come to the house to see him. AND they are cousins by marriage of one of my fellow foster friends! Manny is the healthiest thing ever and he's flourished in my care-- he's all muscle, not an ounce of fat, vivacious, playful, tons of fun, and a complete alpha male who rules humans and dogs-- whomever he is given the opportunity to interact with!!! He's the smartest thing in this house and that includes the dogs- of which one is very bright-- but Manny takes the cake in the brains area. I love love love him and would so keep him if I hadn't already had non-feleuk fosters and house cats and in particular kitten fosters. So I didn't get my hopes up too much when they came to see him but they asked all the right questions about feleuk and I think they feel comfortable b/c they can rely on me and my experience since we will have a very "open" adoption! She is a nurse so she has a great base of knowledge for understanding his disease! I just want him to have a home so I have told them that I will help personally with vet bills so that he can have his red blood cells monitored every 6 months and should he ever get sick- with the treatment. The organization I am adopting him thru (I am working with another one on the side now that I am very happy with) helps with vet bills in all cases and will assist with his should he get sick! They said they were told by another rescuer/foster in the organization that they will just know the right cat for them when they see it and they said "we just know it's him!" I just can't believe I got my Manny a home I have a few days to spend with him to say goodbye so I can ease myself into it-- they want to clean the house for Manny and have to get a litterbox, etc. because they threw things out. I just can't even explain to you how happy I am but I know you all share my joy! Manny finally gets a young boy to PLAY WITH, an entire house to romp in, and windows to bird watch from ALL DAY (instead of just a few hours a day)! I couldn't possibly want more for him. Caroline _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?
Hi, I don't think you could substitute steroids for phenobarbital as steroids don't have a sedating effect, more of an anti-inflammatory effect. I know valium is sometimes prescribed in addition to phenobarbital for seizures. We were so fortunate to find a great veterinary neurologist for our cat. The first two vets we went to said to euthanize the cat but I refused to and I searched out the neurologist and he acted like the seizures weren't such a huge deal. I love him! Please let us know what you find out when you get the lab results. You may actually have a physically healthy cat that just needs time to recover from psychological distress. Prozac may be helpful to him. Michele ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures continued
Caroline, Bless you for caring so much about this little problem child! While I hate to "hope" that an animal was abused, I do hope that his problems, whatever they turn out to be, ARE finite and treatable. You know, if these folks are really old, maybe they just aren't "up" on current thinking on kitty behavior. My housemate's mother got a cat and couldn't really accept that this particular cat's personality was not to be a cuddler, and she steadfastly tried to *train* the cat to be a cuddler and then resented it when she wasn't. She wasn't cruel to her or anything, but I think Kitty was much happier later when living with my housemate, who respected her right to express affection on her own terms. Maybe these adoptive folks just couldn't cope with this boy's little quirks and tried to punish him as if he were a dog or something. I guess I'm glad, at least, that they realized they were in over their heads and relinquished him rather than some other alternatives. If it turns out that he's not irreversibly sick, I'm sure you'll be able to resocialize him (possibly with a little pharmaceutical help); maybe when he's calmed down and his poor toes don't hurt so much, he'll rediscover playing. I hope so. (We socialized a near-feral who'd been on her own in her early months, and we didn't know how we'd ever teach her the concept of play -- but she learned, and is probably the most playful of the bunch.) Best of luck to you and the little guy! Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?
Unfortunately, yes, we are suspecting that and all I can say is that I do plan to address that with my vet on Monday b/c I can talk to him like that. I was hoping he might have some insight. I didn't want to say anything in my original email b/c I don't want to accuse anyone with little to no proof. But the cause of the sezizures IS important to me b/c of the fact that if the cause is organic (dry FIP, Toxo, Tumor), then we are dealing with something degenerative and fatal. Thus if his quality of life is horrible, I will do the right thing by him. However, if the seizures have been induced by trauma, then there is the possibility that the neurological damage is finite and can be managed. My mom is a classic over-reactor, but at the same time, pretty astute. She did not want to adopt this cat to this lady from the get go b/c of the lady's oddness and obvious health problems and my mom and I both do "profiling"/matching of potential adoptive parents and we are good at it! From the get go, she did not think a hyperactive kitten was right for these people- I agreed and I fought the good fight, but they paid their money and I got over-ruled. My mom could barely handle him when I fostered him and would get aggravated with him, so honestly I think this is what started her down the road in her thinking of abuse/trauma. She apparently did research last night and this solidfied her suspicions. I am suspicious too b/c the claws. And until I witness a seizure myself, that is going to bother me. He freaks if I get near them- and I know they must pain him so (he essentially supposedly declawed himself)-- but it's just the way he reacted...I don't know-- so violent, like he was prepared to fight for his life over his paw- not like it hurt him to have it touched? Also because of his slight neglectful appearance-- nothing major, but not acceptable by my standards at all! An indoor cat with fleas? Hell no, not on my watch! And I just don't believe much of what they said about him not ever growling before until recently? That lil monster growled all the time when I fostered him- when playing with a toy or when he was running around and I would scoop him up, he would growl like a dog and I would laugh at laugh at him! That was like a part of his personality? I just don't know. He doesn't really want me to pick him up. I sometimes think that is because he thinks I'm going to treat him. The toys- he just doesn't seem to know what they are. Which breaks my heart b/c he used to be a major toy player. They seem to trigger something in him so I have put them away. I will have to watch for that kind of walking, but he is a "stalker" he does kind of stalk around and the only way I can describe it is like a wild cat at the zoo in a cage. Pacing back and forth? And he does this in his crate, but out too. It's not a play-stalk like cats do when they get low to the ground and shake their booty just before they pounce. He's straight up, no low stance and just kind of pacing, circling? Whatever happened to him, I'll never not blame myself I guess. But at the same time, I would not want this cat in anyone else's care right now. I trust no one to do the right thing as much as I trust myself. I am not perfect, but I am good and I know I will make the right decisions by him. I honestly can't say I know one person who if they said to me right now they would take him on for me and lighten my already over-bearing load (that I have made a concerted effort to lighten lately b/c of my new demanding job!), that I would say "Okay, I trust you!" Ugh. caroline> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:23:16 +> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?> > Hi,> > I do have experience with feline seizures as I have a cat that suffered head trauma (before I rescued him). My cat is not aggressive in any way but he does display other odd behaviors. He does not play with toys and he is not interested in catnip. He's really not curious about anything. The phenobarbital is a strong sedative and I think that explains some of my cat's behavior. He is on a fairly high dose to help control the seizures. Have you checked the cat's mouth? I've found that sometimes cats freak out with medication because they have bad teeth or mouth sores. > > Is there any possibility that the couple abused the cat or that the cat had a head injury? The bloodied nails are a bit suspicious. We have carpeting and all the times my cat has had a seizure he's never gotten stuck in the carpet in any way, though I imagine it could happen.> > One common sign of brain injury or damage is when a cat walks in a tight circle over and over again. My cat does that and if he's doing
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?
I too have little experience with seizures. I have heard of using steroids, rather than phenobarb, for seizures, but dont know anything about it.. I've recently been around a kitten that moved in a tight circle, we suspected brain injury, so appreciate that info Michele.. Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I do have experience with feline seizures as I have a cat that > suffered head trauma (before I rescued him). My cat is not > aggressive in any way but he does display other odd behaviors. He > does not play with toys and he is not interested in catnip. He's > really not curious about anything. The phenobarbital is a strong > sedative and I think that explains some of my cat's behavior. He is > on a fairly high dose to help control the seizures. Have you checked > the cat's mouth? I've found that sometimes cats freak out with > medication because they have bad teeth or mouth sores. > > Is there any possibility that the couple abused the cat or that the > cat had a head injury? The bloodied nails are a bit suspicious. We > have carpeting and all the times my cat has had a seizure he's never > gotten stuck in the carpet in any way, though I imagine it could > happen. > > One common sign of brain injury or damage is when a cat walks in a > tight circle over and over again. My cat does that and if he's doing > it too much I have to give him extra medication to hopefully avoid > a seizure. > > -- > Michele > > -- Original message -- > From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> I apologize for the length of this email but I need some help. It >> appears the >> non-FELV kittens that I fostered a year ago in Sept.- whom all had >> severe UTIs >> and were rescued from the general population at Metro-- and whom I >> feel that I >> literally rescued from certain death due to the severity of their >> UTIs-- are >> coming back to haunt me. You may recall that 2 of that group that I >> was unable >> to get my hands on to foster early enough I feel- I wasn't able to >> get to them >> until Dec.- ended up dying in late Jan. (Posse- maybe of wet FIP or >> a congenital >> heart defect- I believe the latter) and early Feb. (Brumley- maybe >> of dry FIP or >> Toxo). >> >> Well, one from this same group (we have no info about whether any are >> littermates, but all were condo-mates and foster-mates at some >> point) was >> returned to me yesterday. He was adopted out in Dec.- frankly- to a >> lady I did >> not want him to go to, but was forced b/c he was not my original >> rescue (it's a >> long story)- but she had clear health issues and this cat was >> always the most >> hyperactive kitten I've ever fostered and I really suspected he >> would make >> mince-meat of this old lady and her husband. >> >> They called yesterday to say he's been having seizures since the >> end of July. >> He's been to the vet twice- shortly after the seizures started. I'm >> not clear >> on what the vet did that first visit- the people said vet took >> blood, didn't >> find anything, and the cat was doing okay until recently when the >> seizures >> started again. I did have the vet fax me records, but I am having >> difficulty >> reading her notes from the first visit for seizures. The adoptive >> parents say >> he pulled out nails during the seizures on the carpet and he indeed >> seems to >> have a few bloodied nails- but he won't let me touch them to >> examine. The vet >> put him on clavamox for the nails. >> >> They took him to the vet yesterday morning again due to more >> seziures and the >> vet took more blood to send off to the lab to check for FIV/FELV >> and most >> importantly, Toxoplasmosis (he previously tested neg for Felv/FIV). >> We are >> awaiting those results that won't be in until Monday at the >> earliest and of >> course, I know ALL about the titers and the antibodies so I don't >> necessarily >> expect the blood work to tell me much, unless of course his Toxo >> titers are thru >> the roof (but even still?). >> >> Other than his bloodied nails and just looking a tad more neglected >> than I would >> like (some dander, dirty back feet pads, getting fat- big belly >> droop that I am >> NOT happy about- the cat just turned 1!, and he had fleas (which >> the vet treated >> him for)), he looks like a wonderfully healthy cat. But then again, >> if he's >> having neurological issues, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to >> look unhealthy >> on the outside. >> >> The adoptive parents called me b/c they said they cannot medicate >> him. They >> were given Phenobaribitol to help control the seziures and >> Clavamox. The lady >> said she couldn't get either in him b/c he is aggressive and has >> bit her many >> times and scratched her.l The husband got on the phone and said his >> wife is not >> in good health, he's trying to care for
Re: [Felvtalk] Seizures?
Hi, I do have experience with feline seizures as I have a cat that suffered head trauma (before I rescued him). My cat is not aggressive in any way but he does display other odd behaviors. He does not play with toys and he is not interested in catnip. He's really not curious about anything. The phenobarbital is a strong sedative and I think that explains some of my cat's behavior. He is on a fairly high dose to help control the seizures. Have you checked the cat's mouth? I've found that sometimes cats freak out with medication because they have bad teeth or mouth sores. Is there any possibility that the couple abused the cat or that the cat had a head injury? The bloodied nails are a bit suspicious. We have carpeting and all the times my cat has had a seizure he's never gotten stuck in the carpet in any way, though I imagine it could happen. One common sign of brain injury or damage is when a cat walks in a tight circle over and over again. My cat does that and if he's doing it too much I have to give him extra medication to hopefully avoid a seizure. -- Michele -- Original message -- From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I apologize for the length of this email but I need some help. It appears the > non-FELV kittens that I fostered a year ago in Sept.- whom all had severe > UTIs > and were rescued from the general population at Metro-- and whom I feel that > I > literally rescued from certain death due to the severity of their UTIs-- are > coming back to haunt me. You may recall that 2 of that group that I was > unable > to get my hands on to foster early enough I feel- I wasn't able to get to > them > until Dec.- ended up dying in late Jan. (Posse- maybe of wet FIP or a > congenital > heart defect- I believe the latter) and early Feb. (Brumley- maybe of dry FIP > or > Toxo). > > Well, one from this same group (we have no info about whether any are > littermates, but all were condo-mates and foster-mates at some point) was > returned to me yesterday. He was adopted out in Dec.- frankly- to a lady I > did > not want him to go to, but was forced b/c he was not my original rescue (it's > a > long story)- but she had clear health issues and this cat was always the most > hyperactive kitten I've ever fostered and I really suspected he would make > mince-meat of this old lady and her husband. > > They called yesterday to say he's been having seizures since the end of July. > He's been to the vet twice- shortly after the seizures started. I'm not clear > on what the vet did that first visit- the people said vet took blood, didn't > find anything, and the cat was doing okay until recently when the seizures > started again. I did have the vet fax me records, but I am having difficulty > reading her notes from the first visit for seizures. The adoptive parents say > he pulled out nails during the seizures on the carpet and he indeed seems to > have a few bloodied nails- but he won't let me touch them to examine. The vet > put him on clavamox for the nails. > > They took him to the vet yesterday morning again due to more seziures and the > vet took more blood to send off to the lab to check for FIV/FELV and most > importantly, Toxoplasmosis (he previously tested neg for Felv/FIV). We are > awaiting those results that won't be in until Monday at the earliest and of > course, I know ALL about the titers and the antibodies so I don't necessarily > expect the blood work to tell me much, unless of course his Toxo titers are > thru > the roof (but even still?). > > Other than his bloodied nails and just looking a tad more neglected than I > would > like (some dander, dirty back feet pads, getting fat- big belly droop that I > am > NOT happy about- the cat just turned 1!, and he had fleas (which the vet > treated > him for)), he looks like a wonderfully healthy cat. But then again, if he's > having neurological issues, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to look > unhealthy > on the outside. > > The adoptive parents called me b/c they said they cannot medicate him. They > were given Phenobaribitol to help control the seziures and Clavamox. The lady > said she couldn't get either in him b/c he is aggressive and has bit her many > times and scratched her.l The husband got on the phone and said his wife is > not > in good health, he's trying to care for her, and he "can't have the cat doing > that to her" so if I didn't come get him, he would put him down. I asked if > he > was willing to wait until the results of the blood panel JUST taken that > morning > came back (which they will have to pay for?) and he said no. So I knew I > wasn't > dealing with people like me and there was no way I was going to ask any more > questions other than those regarding his health and meds. > > I've had him since yesterday and I was able to medicate him, but then again, > come on, I'm good-- I have to admit that. I've
