Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-09 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 09:20:33AM +0100, Lynne wrote: > Nov 7, 2023, 08:36 by d...@lynne.ee: > > > Oct 29, 2023, 06:57 by d...@lynne.ee: > > > >> Oct 29, 2023, 05:51 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > >>> > Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-09 Thread Gyan Doshi
On 2023-11-09 03:16 pm, epira...@gmail.com wrote: If 6.1 will be cut from master, my tpad fix I sent yesterday should probably be applied first to prevent having a release with broken tpad. The branch is already cut. Will need to be cherry-picked. Regards, Gyan

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-09 Thread epirat07
On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:20, Lynne wrote: > Nov 7, 2023, 08:36 by d...@lynne.ee: > >> Oct 29, 2023, 06:57 by d...@lynne.ee: >> >>> Oct 29, 2023, 05:51 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: >>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by mich...@niedermayer.cc:

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-09 Thread Lynne
Nov 7, 2023, 08:36 by d...@lynne.ee: > Oct 29, 2023, 06:57 by d...@lynne.ee: > >> Oct 29, 2023, 05:51 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: >> >>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM +0200, Lynne wrote: >>> Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-07 Thread Steven Liu
Steven Liu 于2023年11月8日周三 09:26写道: > > Tristan Matthews 于2023年11月8日周三 00:47写道: > > > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:36 AM Lynne wrote: > > > > > > Oct 29, 2023, 06:57 by d...@lynne.ee: > > > > > > > Oct 29, 2023, 05:51 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-07 Thread Steven Liu
Tristan Matthews 于2023年11月8日周三 00:47写道: > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:36 AM Lynne wrote: > > > > Oct 29, 2023, 06:57 by d...@lynne.ee: > > > > > Oct 29, 2023, 05:51 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > > > > > >> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > > >> > > >>> Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-07 Thread Tristan Matthews
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:36 AM Lynne wrote: > > Oct 29, 2023, 06:57 by d...@lynne.ee: > > > Oct 29, 2023, 05:51 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > > > >> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > >> > >>> Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-06 Thread Lynne
Oct 29, 2023, 06:57 by d...@lynne.ee: > Oct 29, 2023, 05:51 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > >> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM +0200, Lynne wrote: >> >>> Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: >>> >>> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: >>> > >>> >> It's been a while

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-11-01 Thread Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
Am 29.10.23 um 20:27 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf: On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 19:46, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: Am 29.10.23 um 18:56 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf: On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 18:20, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: In this case as well, I think you should have

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 19:46, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > Am 29.10.23 um 18:56 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf: >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 18:20, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: >>> In this case as well, I think you >>> should have transported your reasoning back to this thread on

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Nicolas George
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): > IRC has logs That are good to know what has been said, not for participating in the decision making. Therefore IRC is unacceptable for making decisions. > and many people having fixed work hours are on IRC. The problem is the people who cannot be. --

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 19:31, Nicolas George wrote: > Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): >> We'll have to agree to disagree. > > So you disagree that ffmpeg is not a corporate project where developers > can be forced to have fixed work hours. Interesting. IRC has logs and many people having

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
Am 29.10.23 um 19:12 schrieb Nicolas George: Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): Sorry, I can. Being on IRC is necessary, IMHO. Completely unacceptable and fortunately not true at all. The mailing-list has always been the main channel of development, anything synchronous, that requires people

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
Am 29.10.23 um 18:56 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf: On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 18:20, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: In this case as well, I think you should have transported your reasoning back to this thread on the ML - It's actually in this very thread on the ML about the timing and

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Nicolas George
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): > We'll have to agree to disagree. So you disagree that ffmpeg is not a corporate project where developers can be forced to have fixed work hours. Interesting. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 19:12, Nicolas George wrote: > Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): >> Sorry, I can. Being on IRC is necessary, IMHO. > > Completely unacceptable and fortunately not true at all. We'll have to agree to disagree. -- Jean-Baptiste Kempf - President +33 672 704 734

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Nicolas George
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): > Sorry, I can. Being on IRC is necessary, IMHO. Completely unacceptable and fortunately not true at all. The mailing-list has always been the main channel of development, anything synchronous, that requires people to be on line at the same time, is unsuited

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 18:20, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > In this case as well, I think you > should have transported your reasoning back to this thread on the ML - It's actually in this very thread on the ML about the timing and prefering 7.0 over 6.1. I even send a longer

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
Am 29.10.23 um 17:25 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf: On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 16:10, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: Where? I don't see you saying that in this thread. If you said so at VDD, that's not many times. Explained three times at VDD and several time on IRC. Very well. Assuming

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 17:49, James Almer wrote: > On 10/29/2023 1:42 PM, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Sat, 28 Oct 2023, at 18:49, Michael Niedermayer wrote: >>> noone mentioned 5.1.x and 6.0.x to me before >> >> Our last releases from our two major bracnhes, are a 5.1.3 (which

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread James Almer
On 10/29/2023 1:42 PM, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: Hello, On Sat, 28 Oct 2023, at 18:49, Michael Niedermayer wrote: noone mentioned 5.1.x and 6.0.x to me before Our last releases from our two major bracnhes, are a 5.1.3 (which is a LTS branch) and a 6.0.0. Both of those have not had

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Nicolas George
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): > Being not polite to someone is a personal attack. No. -- Nicolas George ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 17:40, Nicolas George wrote: > Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): >> Because instead of doing the polite and normal thing which would be: > > Politeness or not does not make it a personal attack. Moving goalposts > much? Being not polite to someone is a personal attack.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
Hello, On Sat, 28 Oct 2023, at 18:49, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > noone mentioned 5.1.x and 6.0.x to me before Our last releases from our two major bracnhes, are a 5.1.3 (which is a LTS branch) and a 6.0.0. Both of those have not had backports and releases of all the security issues, nor on

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Nicolas George
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): > Because instead of doing the polite and normal thing which would be: Politeness or not does not make it a personal attack. Moving goalposts much? -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 15:17, Nicolas George wrote: > Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): >> > Unsubstantiated opinion, let us ignore it. >> Again, a personal attack, from you. > > YOU are not an OPINION, so, no, this is not a personal attack, Because instead of doing the polite and normal thing

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 16:10, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > Where? I don't see you saying that in this thread. > If you said so at VDD, that's not many times. Explained three times at VDD and several time on IRC. > Not being at where you say s.th. does not imply anything and is not

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
Am 29.10.23 um 14:51 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf: On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 10:30, Nicolas George wrote: Michael Niedermayer (12023-10-28): It was just that jb told me "6.1 opportunity is gone. Unsubstantiated opinion, let us ignore it. Not like your opinions that are always substantiated...

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Nicolas George
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-10-29): > > Unsubstantiated opinion, let us ignore it. > Again, a personal attack, from you. YOU are not an OPINION, so, no, this is not a personal attack, this is a lie. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 10:30, Nicolas George wrote: > Michael Niedermayer (12023-10-28): >> It was just that jb told me >> "6.1 opportunity is gone. > > Unsubstantiated opinion, let us ignore it. Not like your opinions that are always substantiated... Except I explain many times why the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-29 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Niedermayer (12023-10-28): > It was just that jb told me > "6.1 opportunity is gone. Unsubstantiated opinion, let us ignore it. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-28 Thread Lynne
Oct 29, 2023, 05:51 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > >> Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: >> >> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: >> > >> >> It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had >> >> a

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-28 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 09:23:45PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > > > >> It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > >> a lot of new features in. > >> We did say we would make

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-28 Thread Lynne
Oct 28, 2023, 18:49 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > >> It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had >> a lot of new features in. >> We did say we would make releases more often, and I think >> it's about time we have a new

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-28 Thread James Almer
On 10/28/2023 1:49 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had a lot of new features in. We did say we would make releases more often, and I think it's about time we have a new release.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-28 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > a lot of new features in. > We did say we would make releases more often, and I think > it's about time we have a new release. > > Anything anyone wants to have merged or should

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 1:42 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 05:37:42AM +0200, Lynne wrote: > > Jul 6, 2023, 18:04 by d...@lynne.ee: > > > > > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > > > a lot of new features in. > > > We did say we would make

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-09 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 05:37:42AM +0200, Lynne wrote: > Jul 6, 2023, 18:04 by d...@lynne.ee: > > > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > > a lot of new features in. > > We did say we would make releases more often, and I think > > it's about time we have a new release. > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-08 Thread Lynne
Jul 6, 2023, 18:04 by d...@lynne.ee: > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > a lot of new features in. > We did say we would make releases more often, and I think > it's about time we have a new release. > > Anything anyone wants to have merged or should we branch > off 6.1

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-04 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 05:19:17PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-10-03 21:22:58) > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 08:14:37PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > > You keep framing this as some kind of a personal campaign against you. > > > It is not. From my perspective,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-04 Thread Lynne
This discussion has drifted far away from any topic set upfront. It's gotten to the point where there's no way for anyone outside to join and give their own opinion, as it's not possible to know the entire discussion that's happened up to this point. Hence, spin this off in multiple threads.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-04 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-10-03 21:22:58) > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 08:14:37PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > You keep framing this as some kind of a personal campaign against you. > > It is not. From my perspective, the objections to SDR have been largely > > technical, and most of the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-10-03 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 08:14:37PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-26 19:16:30) > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 05:30:19PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-26 17:09:47) > > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13:40AM +0200, Anton

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 28. syyskuuta 2023, 19.43.57 EEST Nicolas George a écrit : > Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > > Calling BBB, Kieran and myself dishonest is. > > I call your arguments dishonest. You almost had me doubting my recollection for a minute. But: Michael wrote: > > People did not ask

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Nicolas George
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > Calling BBB, Kieran and myself dishonest is. I call your arguments dishonest. > I take that as an admission of guilt. Take it as you want. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Nicolas George
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > And this puts me in a bit of a conundrum. See, if you did figure that much > out, > then you would be willfully committing defamation against me, by calling me > dishonest. I am calling your argument dishonest. I stand by it. >I suppose that I

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 28. syyskuuta 2023, 19.41.06 EEST Nicolas George a écrit : > (1) There was no violations in my message. Calling your arguments > bullshit is not a personal attack, by definition. Calling BBB, Kieran and myself dishonest is. > (2) Even if there were any violation, there is nobody to

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Nicolas George
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > Literally the exact same verb even. So what are you saying, that I noticed you moved the goalposts one message too late? > P.S.: Your repeated CoC violations will be reported shortly. So, for your information: (1) There was no violations in my message.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 28. syyskuuta 2023, 19.32.44 EEST Nicolas George a écrit : > Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > > Err, it is very much an issue w.r.t. "catching on". > > Moving the goalpost much. I think obviously not, considering the original quote (EMPHASIS ADDED): > In fact, the SDR code has

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 9/28/23, Nicolas George wrote: > Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): >> Err, it is very much an issue w.r.t. "catching on". > > Moving the goalpost much. > >> Also that's an ad hominem attack, which violates the CC. > > No it is not. > > This mail is no longer part of a honest discussion, and

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 28. syyskuuta 2023, 19.13.37 EEST Nicolas George a écrit : > Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > > Thanks for making my point. > > Stealing the other person rhetoric device does not make you right. > > > That does not change the fact that it won't make it any popular, and thus > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Nicolas George
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > Err, it is very much an issue w.r.t. "catching on". Moving the goalpost much. > Also that's an ad hominem attack, which violates the CC. No it is not. This mail is no longer part of a honest discussion, and therefore I will save myself the time of answering

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 28. syyskuuta 2023, 18.28.50 EEST Nicolas George a écrit : > Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > > You can repeat the contrary as much as you want, we do not believe that > > your SDR code fits in FFmpeg. Why do you not understand this? > > We understand that very well. Once again,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Nicolas George
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > Thanks for making my point. Stealing the other person rhetoric device does not make you right. > That does not change the fact that it won't make it any popular, and thus > your > postulate is wrong. It reach more popular included in FFmpeg than if users

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 28. syyskuuta 2023, 18.33.33 EEST Nicolas George a écrit : > Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > > Strange, I thought FFmpeg really became popular as a back-end library for > > mplayer, before it was picked up by all other OSS multimedia at the time > > (gstreamer, VLC, Xine, etc.).

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Nicolas George
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > Strange, I thought FFmpeg really became popular as a back-end library for > mplayer, before it was picked up by all other OSS multimedia at the time > (gstreamer, VLC, Xine, etc.). Fortunately, I know the history of our projects better than you: First,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Nicolas George
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-09-28): > You can repeat the contrary as much as you want, we do not believe that your > SDR code fits in FFmpeg. Why do you not understand this? We understand that very well. Once again, it is you who do not understand something: your BELIEF that SDR does not belong

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le keskiviikkona 27. syyskuuta 2023, 23.27.40 EEST Nicolas George a écrit : > Michael Niedermayer (12023-09-27): > > With SDR they do ask for a seperate library. > > And they are being dishonest in that. Nothing successful starts as a > library, Strange, I thought FFmpeg really became popular as

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le keskiviikkona 27. syyskuuta 2023, 23.18.29 EEST Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > And you can repeat it as often as you want, iam not interrested. > Why do you not understand this ? You can repeat the contrary as much as you want, we do not believe that your SDR code fits in FFmpeg. Why do you

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-28 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 10:27 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Michael Niedermayer (12023-09-27): > > With SDR they do ask for a seperate library. > > And they are being dishonest in that. Nothing successful starts as a > library > Didn't dav1d start as a library? (Or maybe it's not very

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-27 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Niedermayer (12023-09-27): > With SDR they do ask for a seperate library. And they are being dishonest in that. Nothing successful starts as a library, they start small and grow, and get turned into libraries once multiple projects can use them. Demanding you make a separate library and

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 03:53:56PM +0200, Tomas Härdin wrote: > tis 2023-09-26 klockan 19:16 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer: > > > Anyway, i appologize for announcing SDR in 6.1. I was too much in > > love with > > SDR and how cool it would be ... > > This is why I have suggested many times

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-27 Thread Tomas Härdin
tis 2023-09-26 klockan 19:16 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer: > Anyway, i appologize for announcing SDR in 6.1. I was too much in > love with > SDR and how cool it would be ... This is why I have suggested many times that you should get involved in actual SDR projects. For example the FreeDV

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi Michael, On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 7:16 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Should i ask the counter-question ? > are the developers who have less than 10 commits since 2017 abusing > something > by organizing and rallying the people against SDR, against the domain owner > and against me ? >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Nicolas George
Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-26): > This is not true. If you say so. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 2:24 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Anton Khirnov (12023-09-26): > > It is not. From my perspective, the objections to SDR have been largely > > technical > > We have not read the same discussion. The objections to SDR start and > end at “it does not belong in FFmpeg”, which

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Nicolas George
Anton Khirnov (12023-09-26): > It is not. From my perspective, the objections to SDR have been largely > technical We have not read the same discussion. The objections to SDR start and end at “it does not belong in FFmpeg”, which is not a technical objection but an aesthetic one. Furthermore,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-26 19:16:30) > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 05:30:19PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-26 17:09:47) > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13:40AM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-22 11:27:54) >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Nicolas George
James Almer (12023-09-26): > We don't want you to resign anything. We want a proper discussion in how to > handle SDR, if at all. Pushing it in a form that everyone agrees is not > ready for upstream is not a good idea. We can agree on this, if we consider that the opinion on whether it is ready

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread James Almer
On 9/26/2023 2:16 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 05:30:19PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-26 17:09:47) On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13:40AM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-22 11:27:54) The idea was

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 05:27:23PM +0100, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > On 9/26/2023 4:30 PM, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > This is disingenuous sophistry, and honestly I find it insulting that > > you expect people to swallow it. > > I have been pretty silent on list, but as one of the people who has >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 05:30:19PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-26 17:09:47) > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13:40AM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-22 11:27:54) > > > > The idea was really just, that i said ill include

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Derek Buitenhuis
On 9/26/2023 4:30 PM, Anton Khirnov wrote: > This is disingenuous sophistry, and honestly I find it insulting that > you expect people to swallow it. I have been pretty silent on list, but as one of the people who has access to the Twitter account as a delegate (but who was locked out at the time

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-26 17:09:47) > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13:40AM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-22 11:27:54) > > > The idea was really just, that i said ill include SDR and i want to > > > keep this word > > > > Well, you should not have

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> Iam part of the community, i would think and for 99% of the tweets made > on the official twitter account i have never been asked or even had a > chance to comment before they where made. So what you suggest here is > "the correct way", has never been applied. Announcing feature are going to be

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13:40AM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-22 11:27:54) > > The idea was really just, that i said ill include SDR and i want to > > keep this word > > Well, you should not have spoken for the entire project without > consulting the rest

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Leo Izen
On 7/7/23 02:40, Lynne wrote: May as well decide on a name in the meanwhile. Anyone got any suggestions? ___ Has Thomson been used? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Thomson - Leo Izen ___

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-22 11:27:54) > The idea was really just, that i said ill include SDR and i want to > keep this word Well, you should not have spoken for the entire project without consulting the rest of the community first. Nobody here is entitled to decide unilaterally what

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-26 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
Yo, On Fri, 22 Sep 2023, at 17:27, Paul B Mahol wrote: >> about it because i did not know anyone else who knows perl and be willing >> to help look into a not entirely trivial (for me) issue in fate server > > Do not lie, [...] Calling people liars is not really fitting our Code of Conduct. It's

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-22 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 9/22/23, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:32:27AM +0200, Paul B Mahol wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:28 AM Michael Niedermayer >> > [...] > >> If you mean real FFmpeg work, than by all means give access to services >> only you have to other >> interesting parties,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-22 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:32:27AM +0200, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:28 AM Michael Niedermayer [...] > If you mean real FFmpeg work, than by all means give access to services > only you have to other > interesting parties, like security related reports and others. what ?

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-22 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:04 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Michael Niedermayer (12023-09-22): > > Now the SDR + blockings is solved by not including any SDR that the > > community doesnt like in 6.1 but instead me simply making a seperate > > release with SDR, or so i thought. > > I strongly

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-22 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Niedermayer (12023-09-22): > Now the SDR + blockings is solved by not including any SDR that the > community doesnt like in 6.1 but instead me simply making a seperate > release with SDR, or so i thought. I strongly suggest you just refuse to make any release that do not include SDR. If

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-22 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:28 AM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sun, Jul 09, 2023 at 12:14:09PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-07-07 17:06:54) > > > Hi > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > > > > It's been a while since we've had

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-09-22 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sun, Jul 09, 2023 at 12:14:09PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-07-07 17:06:54) > > Hi > > > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > > > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > > > a lot of new features in. > > > We did

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-09 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-07-07 17:06:54) > Hi > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > > a lot of new features in. > > We did say we would make releases more often, and I think > > it's about time we have

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-09 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Lynne (2023-07-06 18:04:41) > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > a lot of new features in. > We did say we would make releases more often, and I think > it's about time we have a new release. > > Anything anyone wants to have merged or should we branch > off 6.1

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 12:04 PM Lynne wrote: > > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > a lot of new features in. > We did say we would make releases more often, and I think > it's about time we have a new release. > > Anything anyone wants to have merged or should we branch

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-07 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Fri, Jul 07, 2023 at 05:33:32PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > Jul 7, 2023, 17:07 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > > > Hi > > > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > > > >> It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > >> a lot of new features in. > >> We did say we

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-07 Thread Lynne
Jul 7, 2023, 17:07 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > Hi > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > >> It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had >> a lot of new features in. >> We did say we would make releases more often, and I think >> it's about time we have a new

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-07 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 06:04:41PM +0200, Lynne wrote: > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > a lot of new features in. > We did say we would make releases more often, and I think > it's about time we have a new release. yes > > Anything anyone wants to have merged

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-07 Thread Steven Liu
Lynne 于2023年7月7日周五 14:40写道: > > Jul 6, 2023, 18:19 by j...@videolan.org: > > > Heya, > > > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2023, at 18:04, Lynne wrote: > > > >> It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > >> a lot of new features in. > >> We did say we would make releases more often, and I think

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-07 Thread Ingo Oppermann
Leavitt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Swan_Leavitt > On 7 Jul 2023, at 08:40, Lynne wrote: > > Jul 6, 2023, 18:19 by j...@videolan.org: > >> Heya, >> >> On Thu, 6 Jul 2023, at 18:04, Lynne wrote: >> >>> It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had >>> a lot of new

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-07 Thread Lynne
Jul 6, 2023, 18:19 by j...@videolan.org: > Heya, > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2023, at 18:04, Lynne wrote: > >> It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had >> a lot of new features in. >> We did say we would make releases more often, and I think >> it's about time we have a new release. >> >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-06 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
Heya, On Thu, 6 Jul 2023, at 18:04, Lynne wrote: > It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had > a lot of new features in. > We did say we would make releases more often, and I think > it's about time we have a new release. It's a good idea. > Anything anyone wants to have merged

[FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Release 6.1

2023-07-06 Thread Lynne
It's been a while since we've had a release, and we've had a lot of new features in. We did say we would make releases more often, and I think it's about time we have a new release. Anything anyone wants to have merged or should we branch off 6.1 in a few days?