On 09 Mar 2005, at 10:29 PM, John Bell wrote:
*Does the standalone GPO work OK?
No, my midi keyboard doesn't work with it.
John, this is Step 1. You need to get the Personal Orchestra
application talking to your MIDI keyboard before you can do anything
else. GPO Studio won't respond to your
I loved OneClick.
Had it set up beautifully for OS9. As I was about to install OS X I
contacted them and was dismayed to learn that OC would not work with OS
X.
However, as my workload was diminishing anyway I went for OS X.
I have no macro program ay present but it doesn't seem to slow me down
Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
to which I would suggest a better option would be for the group of
power users to buy shares, and make a point of this at the
shareholder's meeting.
ns
_
A point made at a shareholder's meeting by minority shareholders is
usually ignored. Been there, done that: the
Someone wrote:
That's an easy one -- Rhapsody in Blue isn't jazz.
I recently heard a discussion on this very subject - whether R in B was jazz
or not. Several wildly different recordings were called upon as witnesses.
The conclusion was that when it was played by Jack Splatt's Jazz Band
On 09 Mar 2005, at 5:30 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
But I pretty much hate opera, so I'd best disqualify myself from
*that* discussion.
Well, if you must know, I pretty much hate jazz.
You know, it strikes me that both Mark's attitude and mine are pretty
characteristic. The number of jazz musicians
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 9 Mar 2005 at 22:57, Simon Troup wrote:
I'm not certain that releasing unlock codes or whatever is feasible as
it would seriously damage the companies ability to be sold on if a
catastrophe happened, as the prvious version of the software would be
available to use easily
Simon Troup wrote:
[snip]
In such a situation some other form of backing up your right to use the
program would be better. Emagic used to issue keys on floppy disc (way,
way back!) and you could transfer the keys via the floppy. I wonder if
there's some more up to date way of effecting the same
Daniel Wolf wrote:
Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
to which I would suggest a better option would be for the group of
power users to buy shares, and make a point of this at the
shareholder's meeting.
ns
_
A point made at a shareholder's meeting by minority shareholders is
usually ignored. Been
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 09 Mar 2005, at 5:30 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
But I pretty much hate opera, so I'd best disqualify myself from
*that* discussion.
Well, if you must know, I pretty much hate jazz.
You know, it strikes me that both Mark's attitude and mine are pretty
characteristic.
d. collins wrote:
Well, this is where I completely disagree with you. If all your
worried about is printing your files, why don't you simply back
them up as PDFs?
I already make pdfs of everything. I also print multiple copies of
everything, date them, and put them in archive.
Geeze the way
dhbailey writes:
This rule even seemed to hold for the other employees of the
classical record store where I worked, who were mostly classical
instrumentalists -- the ones who liked opera tended to be
uninterested in instrumental jazz, and vice versa.
I wonder why that is?
They feel threatened
Goodness. I came back to 41 more messages on the topic.
Dennis Collins said, You aren't victimized by the authentication process
in itself. But indeed you are. It encourages a where are your papers
mentality. You must always be ready to explain yourself to a private
entity. It extends corporate
dhbailey wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the corporate clients, such as
Warner Brothers and Hal Leonard don't have to go through the
authentication process at all. I bet that corporate versions don't
have that process in the code, since the onus for policing licensed
On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:21 AM, d. collins wrote:
Noel Stoutenburg écrit:
I've found it necessary, on account of hard drive failure, to
reinstall 2k4 three times, and the biggest inconvenience I
experienced was having to wait until the Finale office opened later
in the morning, to call and request
Darcy Argue: But I pretty much hate opera, so I'd best disqualify
myself from *that* discussion.
Mark Lew: Well, if you must know, I pretty much hate jazz.
Gentlemen, gentlemen! Please! You are both right.
-Randolph Peters
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On Mar 10, 2005, at 3:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone wrote:
That's an easy one -- Rhapsody in Blue isn't jazz.
I recently heard a discussion on this very subject - whether R in B
was jazz
or not. Several wildly different recordings were called upon as
witnesses.
The conclusion was
On Mar 10, 2005, at 7:04 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 09 Mar 2005, at 5:30 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
But I pretty much hate opera, so I'd best disqualify myself from
*that* discussion.
Well, if you must know, I pretty much hate jazz.
You know, it strikes me that both Mark's
Just to clarify, I don't hate opera the way I hate, say, Celine Dion
or Kenny G or Andrew Lloyd Webber or American Idol. I hope that was
clear. It would be more accurate to say that opera leaves me cold --
with a handful of exceptions, I just don't find most operas satisfying
either as music
I think Chris meant call up in the sense of call up your files
(i.e, open your files), not call up Coda.
Of course, your point about What do you do when your 30 days are up?
remains.
- Darcy
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY
On 10 Mar 2005, at 9:29 AM, d. collins wrote:
Christopher Smith
On Mar 10, 2005, at 9:29 AM, d. collins wrote:
Christopher Smith écrit:
Well, strictly speaking, you can install 2004 and use it for 30 days
before it refuses to run. That should give you enough time to call
up, edit, and print any of your files.
I don't know how closely you've been following
On Mar 10, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Just to clarify, I don't hate opera the way I hate, say, Celine Dion
or Kenny G or Andrew Lloyd Webber or American Idol. I hope that was
clear. It would be more accurate to say that opera leaves me cold --
with a handful of exceptions, I
On 10 Mar 2005, at 10:25 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
I meant call up your files. I should have written ...enough time to
open, edit, and print... The software works for 30 days without any
contact with MakeMusic. When the thirty days are up, delete it and
reinstall for another 30 days, if you
At 3/10/2005 10:36 AM, d. collins wrote:
Of course, your point about What do you do when your 30 days are up?
remains.
Indeed.
Does uninstall/reinstall work?
Phil Daley AutoDesk
http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley
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At 10:00 -0500 10/03/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Anyway, back to the 1920's -- any seconders for Wozzeck?
I'll second that. We're working on this piece at the moment in
Mannheim (premiere on April 2nd) and I'm constantly fascinated and
overwhelmed by the power of the music. I'd put this piece
Christopher Smith schrieb:
I meant call up your files. I should have written ...enough time to
open, edit, and print... The software works for 30 days without any
contact with MakeMusic. When the thirty days are up, delete it and
reinstall for another 30 days, if you need to.
I am pretty sure
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Darcy James
Argue writes:
While I think Dennis's idea is excellent and I fail to see how Coda
would be harmed in any way by either putting a universal unlock code in
escrow with a third party, or at the very minimum announcing *some*
kind of worst-case scenario plan
What we are talking about here is emergency migration in the event of MM's
demise. In that case, it would be acceptable to have a spare computer that you
could reinstall the OS and/or reformat the drive so as to get the additional 30
days.
The only viable migration target I can see is PDF,
dhbailey / 05.3.10 / 06:59 AM wrote:
One thought occurs, which might actually be a good business venture to
begin: Somebody could establish a company whose sole purpose is to
issue validation or authentication codes for software, all independent
of the original publishers of those
Fair enough, but wasn't it you who was complaining about EPS not
working? There isn't really any point in fixing it, is there,since you
won't be buying it?
Seriously, it is your choice, but I really don't think you have any hope
that MM is going to change it.
I must admit that I really don't
From: d. collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
So you're ready to take the risk of not being able to reinstall your
copy of Finale and making changes in any of your files. I'm not.
Ah, but you have no choice. Even without authentication you are very much
subject to that risk. This is the
At 05:08 PM 3/10/05 +, Robert Patterson wrote:
The problem is that as computers change, your
non-authenticated version of Finale eventually will
no longer work.
Put this comment before archivists who meticulously maintain old equipment
and software in order to have access to important
Darcy James Argue / 05.3.10 / 10:00 AM wrote:
Anyway, back to the 1920's -- any seconders for Wozzeck?
I didn't rase my hand since I usually don't do 'me to', but since you
asked :-)
Wozzeck was the first fascinating theatrical music in my life. It was
more fascinating when I bought the score
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:01:42 -0500, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 12:46 PM 3/9/05 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote:
FWIW, my recording -- the Pollini on DG -- calls op. 25 a Suite for
Piano.
As it does in German on my score, UE 7627, Suite für Klavier. (Erratic
engraving
On Mar 9, 2005, at 2:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Dennis [is] only talking about the fact that
everyone who upgrades their data to the authenticated version is
flying without a parachute.
I fly without a parachute all the time. In fact, I've never flown
*with* a parachute, and wouldn't know how
With this approach I really don't see your problem: If all you want is
to be sure that Finale will always run on your existing machinery, then
you have that already. When you authorize Finale you get send an
authorization code. This code will work should you ever need to
reauthorize your copy
Noone will ever guarantee you that software x will run on a new
machine in x years.
We're also talking about the same machine, after a HD crash, for instance.
That is already no problem, at least on the Mac. I know because I had
that problem (well not a crash, but I changed my HD, and the same
At 3/10/2005 11:17 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
What we are talking about here is emergency migration in the event of MM's
demise. In that case, it would be acceptable to have a spare computer that
you could reinstall the OS and/or reformat the drive so as to get the
additional 30 days.
Oh, perfect
At 3/10/2005 12:06 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Noone will ever guarantee you that software x will run on a new machine
in x years.
Absolutely, but Microsoft has been far ahead of Apple in that regards.
I still run simple MSDOS3 (I don't remember the date, maybe 1985?) software
on my WinXP system.
At 3/10/2005 12:08 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
The problem is that as computers change, your non-authenticated version of
Finale eventually will no longer work. For Mac users this is effectively
already the case. For Windows users the day is coming. If it isn't 64-bit
Windows, it will be Longhorn.
d. collins wrote:
Christopher Smith écrit:
Well, strictly speaking, you can install 2004 and use it for 30 days
before it refuses to run. That should give you enough time to call up,
edit, and print any of your files.
I don't know how closely you've been following this thread, but the
Darcy James Argue wrote:
I think Chris meant call up in the sense of call up your files (i.e,
open your files), not call up Coda.
Of course, your point about What do you do when your 30 days are up?
remains.
uninstall it and reinstall it, while looking around for a suitable
alternative
On 9 Mar 2005 at 23:10, Robert Patterson wrote:
I don't think MM's corporate memory extends back to Fin2.6.3 days,
even if one or two old-timers may still be there that were there then.
There have been two major transformations in the product as well as at
least two major transformations in
actually, I think once the 30 days are up uninstalling won't make a
difference on the mac side. The trail the first install leaves will
still be there.
I've been following this thread with interest and it makes me wonder,
are any of the participants aware of how trivial it is to subvert the
On 10 Mar 2005 at 8:28, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Linda Worsley makes my day. Geeze the way things are going in the
world I may have to gather wood to burn for cooking and heating, buy a
horse to take me around, plant my own garden and keep a root cellar,
etc. To which I can only answer,
On Mar 9, 2005, at 5:52 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
subsequent ubiquity
How many places will you see that used? Six brownie points!
34 places, according to a Google search.
mdl
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On 10 Mar 2005 at 10:25, Christopher Smith wrote:
The software works for 30 days without any
contact with MakeMusic. When the thirty days are up, delete it and
reinstall for another 30 days, if you need to. Probably after Finale
goes under you will be creating your new works on some other
Phil Daley schrieb:
Does FinaleV3 run on any current MacOS?
I haven't tried it, but I am pretty sure it will run just fine under
Classic. MIDI won't work, but that probably doesn't work under XP
either, does it?
The real problem would be to get it installed, since it came on
Floppies, and no
On 10 Mar 2005 at 18:06, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea of copyprotection in the
first place. However, I have to agree with others that the escrow
system is something no software company with any sense in their brains
will ever agree to.
I don't see the
Mark D Lew / 05.3.10 / 03:20 PM wrote:
My apologies to all jazz musicians that I've now offended.
Ha-ha,
You did that alright.
Jazz is all about groove, and anything else is secondary. The big
difference between jazz and other type of music is that jazz requires
everyone to play in different
At 3/10/2005 03:24 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Phil Daley schrieb:
Does FinaleV3 run on any current MacOS?
I haven't tried it, but I am pretty sure it will run just fine under
Classic. MIDI won't work, but that probably doesn't work under XP
either, does it?
I am not sure what that means.
Is
On 10 Mar 2005 at 17:08, Robert Patterson wrote:
[]
The problem is that as computers change, your non-authenticated
version of Finale eventually will no longer work. For Mac users this
is effectively already the case. For Windows users the day is coming.
If it isn't 64-bit Windows, it will
On 10 Mar 2005 at 18:43, d. collins wrote:
The software should continue to run on the OS's it was made for. In
other words, if ten years from now I want to reinstall 2004 (and the
problems going from one version to another are such that this might be
necessary even if I do have further
[ ... ]
As for operas, I don't care for Wozzeck. It has been my observation
that Wozzeck is most highly praised by people who are very into
orchestral music but have little interest in opera. That is, the sort
of people who like Wozzeck usually don't much care for Verdi and
Puccini, and
On Mar 10, 2005, at 12:24 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
The real problem would be to get it installed, since it came on
Floppies, and no Mac these days has a floppy drive.
I've got an external floppy drive that plugs into my USB port. I even
use it occasionally.
mdl
On 10 Mar 2005 at 19:27, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Noone will ever guarantee you that software x will run on a new
machine in x years.
We're also talking about the same machine, after a HD crash, for
instance.
That is already no problem, at least on the Mac. I know because I had
that
On 10 Mar 2005 at 12:05, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
The recommendation of VMware was a good one for Windows users. VMware
allows you to create an endless supply of throwaway virtual machines
on which you can continue to reinstall the OS from scratch every 30
days. Of course, all you'll need to
On 10 Mar 2005 at 21:24, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Phil Daley schrieb:
Does FinaleV3 run on any current MacOS?
I haven't tried it, but I am pretty sure it will run just fine under
Classic. MIDI won't work, but that probably doesn't work under XP
either, does it?
I can't say for certain,
David W. Fenton / 05.3.10 / 03:50 PM wrote:
Well, keep in mind that if you choose WinXP or later, Microsoft may
or may not give you an authentication key.
Keep those Win2K installation disks!
I have an OT question.
How many machines can one XP installer install?
I am still staying with
From: David W. Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
I wish I had a nickel for every time this turned out to be wrong in the
computer business.
Your comments here just motivated me to try, but I just realized that
before I moved in 2000, I trashed the old Finale 2.01
On 10 Mar 2005 at 23:16, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
David W. Fenton schrieb:
On 10 Mar 2005 at 18:06, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea of copyprotection in the
first place. However, I have to agree with others that the escrow
system is something no software
On 10 Mar 2005 at 16:34, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
David W. Fenton / 05.3.10 / 03:50 PM wrote:
Well, keep in mind that if you choose WinXP or later, Microsoft may
or may not give you an authentication key.
Keep those Win2K installation disks!
I have an OT question.
How many machines can
David W. Fenton / 05.3.10 / 05:24 PM wrote:
The former can install on any number of PCs, but can be authenticated
on only one PC.
Sorry for a dumb question but what does this mean?
Would un-authed XP bite me?
--
- Hiro
Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
http://a-no-ne.com
On 10 Mar 2005 at 21:55, Robert Patterson wrote:
From: David W. Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
I wish I had a nickel for every time this turned out to be wrong in
the computer business.
You cut out the first half of my sentence, which read:
Well, if history
On 10 Mar 2005 at 17:33, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
David W. Fenton / 05.3.10 / 05:24 PM wrote:
The former can install on any number of PCs, but can be
authenticated on only one PC.
Sorry for a dumb question but what does this mean?
Would un-authed XP bite me?
Yes, it stops booting after N
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 10 Mar 2005 at 17:33, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
David W. Fenton / 05.3.10 / 05:24 PM wrote:
The former can install on any number of PCs, but can be
authenticated on only one PC.
Sorry for a dumb question but what does this mean?
Would un-authed XP bite me?
Yes, it stops
From: David W. Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's *possible*, but there is absolutely no evidence available to
suggest that it is likely, let alone certain, as you assert.
On the contrary, I speak with absolute certainty, because I have forever on my
side. It is virtually certain that
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Just to clarify, I don't hate opera the way I hate, say, Celine Dion
or Kenny G or Andrew Lloyd Webber or American Idol. I hope that was
clear. It would be more accurate to say that opera leaves me cold --
with a handful of exceptions, I just don't find most operas
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