On 15 Jul 2005 at 1:46, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 1:35 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005 at 1:17, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Any ATI or nVidia graphics card with 32MB or more supports OpenGL
(and, on Windows, Direct3D -- the Windows version of Sib may use
Tyler Turner wrote:
Thanks. Yes, I've looked into this some in the past,
but it's a bit of a hassle to do it with my free Yahoo
account, and the free software that's available for
doing it is from what I understand pretty buggy.
Although I have a Yahoo I.D., due to membership in yahoo lists,
David W. Fenton wrote:
I would think that MakeMusic would want someone's job description to
include monitoring this list, in any case. There are too many heavy
hitters here to ignore, in my opinion.
But it's their business, and if they want to miss such an
opportunity, then that's their
Dean M. Estabrook schrieb:
Ah, what I do is create a finale file, which then, for playback, goes
via my MIDI to my Roland J35 Keboard, thence to my stereo amp and
speaker system, whence I hear it. Sorry I didn't clarify that.
Yes, but then you are not using and cannot use the Finale
[snip]
Something that bothers me is when Finale combines rests on a
partial measure
copy. For example, if I copy a beat consisting of two 16th notes
surrounding two 16th rests, Finale will combine the rests into
a single 8th
rest. This annoying behavior doesn't occur when copying full
Thanks also to Michael Cook, Lee Actor and Keith Helgesen for their comments
and assistance.
--
Ken Moore
Musician and engineer
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David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip)
Does anyone know if MakeMusic is intending to provide finer control
over HP parameters than one finds in Finale 2005?
And, ACK, why does everything have REVERB turned up so high? Reverb
doesn't improve synthesized sound at all -- just makes it harder to
hear!
John Bell wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 03:53, dhbailey wrote:
But they list the Jazz Big Band Collection for sale (I was terribly
wrong about the price -- it's a whopping $259 dollars more, and that's
a special deal for Finale users!) so they could include a tickler
about how they'll be
dhbailey schrieb:
If you want to use it for additional midi channels, you can send 16
channels to your Roland via your midi hookup and send 16 more channels
through the smartmusic soundfont (you select that in the midi devices
list) and then send the line-out jack to a mixer to combine
At 7/15/2005 01:35 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Is nVidia the chipset that ATI uses? Mine is ATI and I know it's an
nVidia chipset. I can't seem to find any way to poke the thing to
find out how much RAM it has.
Right click the desktop. Choose Properties.
Choose Settings. Click the Advanced
dhbailey wrote:
[snip]
All MakeMusic has to do is to release Fianle2006 as they plan to,
without the saxes, since they're not ready for release yet, and then
release an update patch, like they do for the occasional interim
bug-release (finale2005a, finale2005b, finale2005c, whatever),
On Jul 15, 2005, at 12:45 AM, Raymond Horton wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
Hmm, OK. Time for some slang etymology here.
...
Maybe fifteen years ago I first heard blows meaning bad. It was
around the time that the expression blowing chunks (for throwing
up) gained popularity, and often
I've had this and other more or less similar problems with my cherished
Finale, like not getting any response or coming to a complete halt when
there is an 8a or loco indication, and after trying to talk Finale,
speaking softly to it's ear, into doing what it is supposed to do or
what I need
At 11:51 PM -0400 7/14/05, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 14 Jul 2005, at 11:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
I had to create a playback file for my jazz ear training class, and
I ended up adding a lot of non-printing articulations to change
note lengths where the performance practice required it
dhbailey wrote:
dhbailey wrote:
[snip]
All MakeMusic has to do is to release Fianle2006 as they plan to,
without the saxes, since they're not ready for release yet, and then
release an update patch, like they do for the occasional interim
bug-release (finale2005a, finale2005b,
Godofredo Romero [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe my issue is different from yours, since I always had it, QT or
Softsynth. Another annoyance I've had since HP is that once it
starts playing, at a random moment all instruments get stuck, as
if they had sustain pedals depressed. Instant
At 10:17 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote:
The Intel graphics controller is not a proper graphics controller at all
-- it means there is no separate graphics card, and the CPU has to handle
drawing in addition to everything else. Whether it supports OpenGL or
Direct3D is anyone's guess -- if it did,
David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Surely for a data bus that is assumed to have multiple devices using
it, *all* data has to be time-stamped in some fashion.
Why? For a multiple-device data bus, all you have to do is ensure
that devices are tagged correctly and that events for a
At 7/15/2005 10:45 AM, Ken Durling wrote:
At 10:17 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote:
The Intel graphics controller is not a proper graphics controller at all
-- it means there is no separate graphics card, and the CPU has to handle
drawing in addition to everything else. Whether it supports OpenGL or
On Jul 14, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Ken Durling wrote:
At 07:36 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote:
Another Sibelius flaw, unmentioned in the long list quoted in this
thread, is its inability (as of Sib. 3) to break secondary beams. To
me this is a deal breaker all by itself, though I do keep a copy of
the
On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
the selection tool has been so slow as to be completely useless on
MacFin since 2k4. It's faster to just drag whatever's in front out of
the way and reposition it later.
Isn't that a little extreme? I often get files sent to me that
On 15 Jul 2005, at 6:25 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So why isn't Finale going to include saxes?
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include any GPO saxes because at the moment, there ARE
NO GPO SAXES TO INCLUDE. The Jazz/Big Band edition of GPO is NOT
On 15 Jul 2005, at 10:41 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So much for MakeMusic's commitment to serve the educational community
-- can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching
band works which don't include saxophones?
David, are you even reading Tyler's posts? He wrote:
Sibelius
*tongue in cheek* Yeah, but when it does come out, it will have all
those useful saxes like Contrabass, and C melody. Woohoo!
Darcy James Argue wrote:
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include any GPO saxes because at the moment, there ARE
NO
At 1:00 PM -0400 7/15/05, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Seems to me that you've got three possible scenarios here.
1. Writing for experienced jazz musicians who live in the style,
don't need that level of overcontrol, and might even be insulted by
it.
No. Even the best New York players *do*
At 10:21 AM -0700 7/15/05, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
*tongue in cheek* Yeah, but when it does come out, it will have all
those useful saxes like Contrabass, and C melody. Woohoo!
Darcy James Argue wrote:
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include
Actually, in Nestico's scores, the vast majority of the quarter notes
are marked with an articulation --- especially the ones that are to be
played short.
He doesn't mark quarter notes under a slur because in that case it's
clear they are to be played long. He also doesn't mark long offbeat
On 15 Jul 2005, at 1:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
Umm, am I the only one to whom it has occurred that at the very least,
alto and tenor sax are ORCHESTRAL INSTRUMENTS, and are played with a
sound the is quite different from a jazz sound? As are the saxes in
wind ensembles. Thinking that a
I was just sent 6 Finale files to complete a project that someone else
started. All the files I was sent are .mus. One of them opens with the
conversion notice that it was a Fianle 2004b.r1 for Macintosh file, but all
the others say invalid file type. Any ideas why they won't open?
On 15 Jul 2005, at 10:36 AM, John Howell wrote:
At 11:51 PM -0400 7/14/05, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 14 Jul 2005, at 11:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
I had to create a playback file for my jazz ear training class, and
I ended up adding a lot of non-printing articulations to change note
Does anyone knows a way to contact Bill Duncan very quickly because I
would need one of his fonts and have deadlines so it's kind of a
hurry now.
(I am having problems purchasing the font on his site)
thank you all,
Éric Dussault
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Hi Eric,
Try this number:
(206) 780-2875
If that doesn't work, perhaps I can send you the font, and you can
pay Bill later. I think he'd be OK with that, as long as he gets his
fee.
Chuck
On Jul 15, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Eric Dussault wrote:
Does anyone knows a way to contact Bill
Eric,
Bill's email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Darcy
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY
On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:15 PM, Eric Dussault wrote:
Does anyone knows a way to contact Bill Duncan very quickly because I
would need one of his fonts and have deadlines so it's kind of a hurry
now.
(I am
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 10:41 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So much for MakeMusic's commitment to serve the educational community
-- can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching
band works which don't include saxophones?
David, are you even reading Tyler's
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip] You then went on to pooh-pooh the fact that the included snare
drum has
both left- and right-hand hits, which is actually *extremely important*
for marching band work.
[snip]
Are they matched grip or traditional grip? That's important, too. :-)
--
David H.
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 6:25 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So why isn't Finale going to include saxes?
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include any GPO saxes because at the moment, there ARE NO
GPO SAXES TO INCLUDE. The Jazz/Big
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 1:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
Umm, am I the only one to whom it has occurred that at the very least,
alto and tenor sax are ORCHESTRAL INSTRUMENTS, and are played with a
sound the is quite different from a jazz sound? As are the saxes in
wind
On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Your point being? Yes they do include those instruments. but if the
playback can't include the sax section, how will a reasonable
rendition of a band work be made?
(A) With other instruments covering the saxophone parts, same as what I
do know
n 15 Jul 2005, at 2:43 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 1:37 PM, John Howell wrote:
Umm, am I the only one to whom it has occurred that at the very
least, alto and tenor sax are ORCHESTRAL INSTRUMENTS, and are played
with a sound the is quite different from a
At 09:19 AM 7/15/2005, you wrote:
In 4/4 time, enter two 16ths followed by a 16h-note triplet. You will see
two beams linking all five notes. The proper notation would be for the
inner beam to be broken between the duplet and the triplet, but Sibelius 3
cannot do this. I was told as much, in
At 12:03 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:
Wow. That's an easy one. I can't believe tech support said it wasn't
possible. Enter the notes as you've described above,
Oops, I neglected to say - select the first 16th in the triplet, THEN
go to the 3rd keypad (F10), and hit / - or mouse the top
Thanks a lot Chuck.
I talked with Bill and I am now using the font.
Éric Dussault
Le 05-07-15 à 14:27, Chuck Israels a écrit :
Hi Eric,
Try this number:
(206) 780-2875
If that doesn't work, perhaps I can send you the font, and you can
pay Bill later. I think he'd be OK with that, as
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip]
No, you cannot. Sibelius does not provide their own soundfont -- Finale
does (in addition to the GPO sounds).
I haven't used the Finale-provided soundfont other than to check my
installation -- then I substitute one which I prefer for the
Finale-provided
--- Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Your point being? Yes they do include those
instruments. but if the
playback can't include the sax section, how will a
reasonable
rendition of a band work be made?
(A) With other
On 15 Jul 2005 at 6:30, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip)
Does anyone know if MakeMusic is intending to provide finer control
over HP parameters than one finds in Finale 2005?
And, ACK, why does everything have REVERB turned up so high? Reverb
doesn't improve
On 15 Jul 2005, at 3:27 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
What's better, a Finale+GPO rendition of a concert band work that
contains every concert band instrument except saxophones
(substituting clarinets or double-reeds on their parts, as I do now),
or a Sibelius rendition of
David,
You can apply HP selectively using the Apply Human Playback plugin.
- Darcy
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY
On 15 Jul 2005, at 3:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005 at 6:30, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip)
Does anyone know if MakeMusic is intending to
On 15 Jul 2005 at 7:23, Phil Daley wrote:
At 7/15/2005 01:35 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Is nVidia the chipset that ATI uses? Mine is ATI and I know it's an
nVidia chipset. I can't seem to find any way to poke the thing to
find out how much RAM it has.
Right click the desktop. Choose
On Jul 15, 2005, at 3:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
The ability to have sections of the piece without HP (which is
implied by the ability to apply different styles of HP to different
parts) was something I assumed was part of the basic HP
implementation. I had assumed there'd be a No HP staff
On 15 Jul 2005, at 3:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Phil, I do this kind of thing for a living, so I don't really need
instructions from you for how to look up this information, especially
when you don't seem to be aware of the aspects of your advice that
are OS- and driver-specific. If I gave
On 15 Jul 2005 at 10:59, Stephen Peters wrote:
David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Surely for a data bus that is assumed to have multiple devices using
it, *all* data has to be time-stamped in some fashion.
Why? For a multiple-device data bus, all you have to do is ensure
that
On 15 Jul 2005 at 13:03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 6:25 AM, dhbailey wrote:
So why isn't Finale going to include saxes?
David, no offense, but how many times do you need this explained?
Fin2k6 doesn't include any GPO saxes because at the moment, there ARE
NO GPO SAXES
--- Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Your point being? Yes they do include those
instruments. but if the
playback can't include the sax section, how will a
reasonable
rendition of a band work be made?
(A) With other
On 15 Jul 2005 at 13:37, John Howell wrote:
At 10:21 AM -0700 7/15/05, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
*tongue in cheek* Yeah, but when it does come out, it will have all
those useful saxes like Contrabass, and C melody. Woohoo!
Darcy James Argue wrote:
David, no offense, but how many times do
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
GR
Eric Dussault wrote:
Does anyone knows a way to contact Bill Duncan very quickly because I
would need one of his fonts and have deadlines so it's kind of a
hurry now.
(I am having problems purchasing the font on his site)
thank you all,
Éric Dussault
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]
You're reading too much into Phil's response. The guy
apparently screwed up and didn't really understand
your question. With each new release, the support
starts getting mauled with more questions, and it
wouldn't surprise me if he's been working a lot of
overtime
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip]
Now, imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or
performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain
that due to software limitations, the recording only includes 8
simultaneous instruments!
I wouldn't do that, either. :-)
On 15 Jul 2005 at 15:43, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jul 15, 2005, at 3:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
The ability to have sections of the piece without HP (which is
implied by the ability to apply different styles of HP to different
parts) was something I assumed was part of the basic HP
On 15 Jul 2005 at 15:48, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 3:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Phil, I do this kind of thing for a living, so I don't really need
instructions from you for how to look up this information,
especially when you don't seem to be aware of the aspects of
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
No you weren't. The Apply Human Playback plugin can be applied to
selected passages of a work, and the HP style that you select can be
None.
I answered this in reply to Darcy, but it seems quite clear to me
that this plugin does something
On 15 Jul 2005 at 15:36, Darcy James Argue wrote:
You can apply HP selectively using the Apply Human Playback plugin.
That's very different from what I understood the Finale web page to
say. That plugin writes the human playback data into the file's
permanent MIDI data.
That's quite
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
You should be glad I hold my tongue in response to Phil. Practically
every post he makes betrays attitudes that I find (let's find a
euphemism) annoying. I don't respond, since most times he's not
replying to me.
Be glad you only see it
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, as I said, the web page is misleading, if not outright lying.
I agree, it's a bit misleading. The actual new features are under the
New in Finale 2006 heading.
The bullet points below Listen to the difference are all Fin2k5
features.
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:38 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, as I said, the web page is misleading, if not outright lying.
I agree, it's a bit misleading. The actual new features are under the
New in Finale 2006 heading.
The bullet points
On 15 Jul 2005 at 16:38, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, as I said, the web page is misleading, if not outright lying.
I agree, it's a bit misleading. The actual new features are under the
New in Finale 2006 heading.
The bullet points
On Jul 15, 2005, at 12:27 PM, dhbailey wrote:Neither is better in my estimation -- imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain that it's not actually a realistic sound becaue those extra clarinet or bassoon sounds
ok, I think I'm beginning to get the picture, though my inexperience in
this area blurs the concept considerably. For example, if I were to
purchase GPO, and create a fin file, I don't even understand how those
wonderful GPO sounds would become my mode of playback, with my present
system.
Being a sax player myself, I find this thread well, amusing. But seriously, there's not much out there in any sample library that comes even close to covering saxophones. The Vienna Library saxes ($265 at Sweetwater) have only tenor and soprano--no alto or bari even. Forget C-melody, bass,
On 15 Jul 2005, at 6:11 PM, Lon Price wrote:
Being a sax player myself, I find this thread well, amusing. But
seriously, there's not much out there in any sample library that
comes even close to covering saxophones. The Vienna Library saxes
($265 at Sweetwater) have only tenor and
I'm formatting a part that is from a score based on a template I've
used before. I'm having a problem in that when I hit Ctrl-U to update
layout, the locked systems are coming unlocked on that page, and
everything is reflowing back to the layout that was wrong that I had
locked systems to
David...
Not sure what version you are using. In FinWin 2002 2004, at least, there
is a setting found at OPTIONSUPDATE LAYOUT OPTIONS.
You should select Across systems (maintain system locks). You might have
Across systems (Remove System Locks) selected.
Jim
- Original Message -
David W. Fenton wrote:
Back in the Randy Stokes days, we had somebody like that, but who
also was one of the programmers and could give technical explanations
for problems. Boy, but I do miss Randy. Having him around really
increased my confidence in Finale.
And it seems that back in the days
On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:You have to suspend disbelief in order to accept any of these sounds. They only remotely resemble the sound of the instruments they represent. I'd like saxophones too, but when they come, they won't sound real anyway. For me, it's not that much
On Jul 15, 2005, at 3:18 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:Lon, GPO Jazz/Big Band will have the full range of saxophones, from sopranino through sub-contrabass, and including C-melody and mezzo-soprano saxes. (Personally, I think that's overkill, but this sounds like something you'd want to pick up.)
On 15 Jul 2005 at 17:49, Jim wrote:
Not sure what version you are using. In FinWin 2002 2004, at least,
there is a setting found at OPTIONSUPDATE LAYOUT OPTIONS. You should
select Across systems (maintain system locks). You might have
Across systems (Remove System Locks) selected.
Yes,
On 15 Jul 2005 at 17:56, Randall Stokes wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
Back in the Randy Stokes days, we had somebody like that, but who
also was one of the programmers and could give technical
explanations for problems. Boy, but I do miss Randy. Having him
around really increased my
--- Lon Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
You have to suspend disbelief in order to accept
any of these
sounds. They only remotely resemble the sound of
the instruments
they represent. I'd like saxophones too, but when
they
In 4/4 time, enter two 16ths followed by a 16h-note triplet. You will
see two beams linking all five notes. The proper notation would be
for the inner beam to be broken between the duplet and the triplet,
but Sibelius 3 cannot do this. I was told as much, in so many words,
by Sibelius tech
Andrew -
That's easy too - just use the key below the one mentioned earlier - the
key for the number 8.
Ken
At 06:25 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:
In 4/4 time, enter two 16ths followed by a 16h-note triplet. You will
see two beams linking all five notes. The proper notation would be for
the
Having waited patiently for the dust to settle (almost!) on
the Sib/Fin comparison, I will re-pose a couple of questions I asked about a
week ago.
What is “Human Playback”? (Human as
opposed to what??) Someone replied and said “not worth bothering with”.
OK- what isn’t!
What is GPO-
At 06:32 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote:
Andrew -
That's easy too - just use the key below the one mentioned earlier - the
key for the number 8.
Ken
And lest ye Finale-niks should think this is too obscure - the number 8
key - on the third (F10) keypad it does have a continuous 16th beam icon
At 09:44 PM 07/15/2005, keith helgesen wrote:
What is Human Playback? (Human as opposed to what??) Someone
replied and said not worth bothering with. OK- what isn't!
Human Playback is a feature that was introduced, I think, in 2004. It
attempts to apply a certain configurable amount of
Carl Dershem wrote:
You scum
[SNIP]
With all due affection,
Carl
Deepest apologies - this went to yhe wrong address!
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Thanks Aaron- good info. Sites all checked and noted.
Sad about Jari! I seem to remember he was the first guru who ever answered
one of my dumb questions!- back in '95!
As I recall he 'spat the dummy' (Aussie expression!) a while ago about
something- then came back again.
Hope he gets back on
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