Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Thu, November 25, 2010 2:01 am, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2010-11-25 00:43, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: What's topline notation? Apparently a notation method for pop/jazz to only notate the top melody line, but to also indicate to the player that chords should be filled out beneath. An

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread SN jef chippewa
where does the downward stem extend to? if the stems extend all a uniform length (octave for ex.) i would find that incredibly ugly. but extended to a common line on the staff or position below the staff could be a better looking design... i realize this is for notation i am unfamiliar

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Jef, It's usually all up-stems in this kind of notation, and the stem extension length (below the notehead) tends to be about an octave. But there's no reason why the stem extensions couldn't be a uniform length -- you'd just have to make sure the lowest note of all of the chords falls on

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Chuck Israels
On Nov 25, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jef, It's usually all up-stems in this kind of notation, and the stem extension length (below the notehead) tends to be about an octave. Darcy, Up? Down? I'm confused. I think I have seen notation somewhat like what I think you

[Finale] Bill Duncan Smart Line question

2010-11-25 Thread Chuck Israels
To those with experience with Bill's Smart Lines (or maybe Finale's native ones too, I don't know, since I always use my library of Duncan ones): I am modifying the Smart line that says Cue...Play so that I can have a line that says Ab (flat) Pedal... , and I can't find a way to

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Chuck, Imagine a stem-up note where the stem *also* extends about an octave below the notehead -- in other words, imagine a stems-up octave, with the lower note hidden. Chord symbols are usually written above the note in this case but otherwise it's as you describe. Cheers, - DJA -

Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Smart Line question

2010-11-25 Thread Ryan
Can you use a font like MetTimes that has the flat symbol as a regular font character instead? On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: To those with experience with Bill's Smart Lines (or maybe Finale's native ones too, I don't know, since I always use my

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Chuck Israels
Got it. Makes sense, if the stems don't create too much clutter. Seems as if what I described might be OK too, but perhaps harder to accomplish in Finale, and it does have the problem of staff lines interfering with the chord symbols. Then I start imagining opaque enclosures around each

Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Smart Line question

2010-11-25 Thread Chuck Israels
Hi Ryan, I'm not sure you can change the font for part of the text (like you can in Finale for the last few versions), once you are in Bill's Smart Line editor. If anyone knows that this is possible and how to do it, that would surely work. Otherwise, maybe there's a font that combines text

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Nov 2010 at 8:01, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2010-11-25 00:43, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: What's topline notation? Apparently a notation method for pop/jazz to only notate the top melody line, but to also indicate to the player that chords should be filled out beneath. An empty

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2010-11-25 22:07, Darcy James Argue wrote: Imagine a stem-up note where the stem *also* extends about an octave below the notehead -- in other words, imagine a stems-up octave, with the lower note hidden. Chord symbols are usually written above the note in this case but otherwise it's as

[Finale] Re: Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Brian Williams
Hi Jari, The way I've achieved this in the past was to create an articulation consisting of a custom shape straight line (same thickness as the stem setting) that went down approx. one octave and was set to automatically attach to the existing stem where it ended at the notehead. Then I applied

[Finale] simple entry caret

2010-11-25 Thread Brian Appleby
Sorry for the ignorant question - long time speedy user trying to get up to speed with simple entry. For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get the carat to appear in a spot of my choosing. I can get it to appear at the beginning of the first line of the first staff, but that's all.

Re: [Finale] simple entry caret

2010-11-25 Thread mmathew1942
I periodically go through the finale tutorial for simple entry and come out the other end still not being quite up to speed about the caret. It always seems to work in the tutorial for me but never afterward. Good Luck, Michael mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com

[Finale] Cue note instrument names in Fin2011

2010-11-25 Thread Aaron Sherber
Hi all, In Fin2011 (and probably Fin2010 as well, but I never used it), the built-in cue notes plugin and TGTools cue notes plugin don't handle the text expression with the cued instrument's name correctly, on account of the change from note-attachment to beat-attachment of expressions.

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread John Howell
At 4:34 PM -0500 11/25/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 25 Nov 2010 at 8:01, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2010-11-25 00:43, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: What's topline notation? Apparently a notation method for pop/jazz to only notate the top melody line, but to also indicate to the player

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Nov 2010 at 21:06, John Howell wrote: At 4:34 PM -0500 11/25/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 25 Nov 2010 at 8:01, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2010-11-25 00:43, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: What's topline notation? Apparently a notation method for pop/jazz to only notate the

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Nigel Hanley
I hadn't heard the term 'topline notation' until this thread, but am very familiar with it. Well, I was very familiar with it, when contemporary pop and jazz charts were hand-written. I remember trying to construct a workaround much like was suggested here, but without much success. For

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Raymond Horton
I had a good guitar player point out parts of the guitar part of West Side Story, which used notation as is being described (as far as I can tell) as a good way for a non-guitarist to write for guitar. The top note, rhythm and chord are indicated, but the underlying voicing is left to the

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Nigel Hanley
Topline notation is one step beyond rhythmic notation, which is one step beyond slash notation. They each have their uses.___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Nigel Hanley
An example of the use of topline notation is the Everly Bros song, 'Walk Right Back' . The opening chord riff is on the tonic chord, with the top note of the chord moving from the fifth to the sixth, then the seventh. Notating this fully is both unnecessary and cluttered. Pianists and

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Raymond Horton
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Nigel Hanley i...@nigelhanley.com wrote: Topline notation is one step beyond rhythmic notation, which is one step beyond slash notation. Oh!  Like this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-29967575513903624# RBH

Re: [Finale] Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread John Howell
At 10:19 PM -0500 11/25/10, David W. Fenton wrote: I can't quite figure out the purpose of this. Couldn't you just notate the melody and the chords and add a rubric saying keep accompaniment below the melody? Disclaimer: I'm not a jazz person, although I'm not ignorant of the style. I think

Re: [Finale] simple entry caret

2010-11-25 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2010-11-26 00:57, Brian Appleby wrote: Sorry for the ignorant question - long time speedy user trying to get up to speed with simple entry. For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get the carat to appear in a spot of my choosing. I can get it to appear at the beginning of the first

Re: [Finale] Re: Topline notation question

2010-11-25 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2010-11-26 00:15, Brian Williams wrote: The way I've achieved this in the past was to create an articulation consisting of a custom shape straight line (same thickness as the stem setting) that went down approx. one octave and was set to automatically attach to the existing stem where it

Re: [Finale] simple entry caret

2010-11-25 Thread Nigel Hanley
While I'm on my soapbox, I'd like to learn a Mac version of placing the caret. Truly I must be stupid, twenty years of Finale and I haven't got that down either. On 26/11/2010, at 5:01 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2010-11-26 00:57, Brian Appleby wrote: Sorry for the ignorant question -