Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-06 Thread Ken Moore
Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I was surprised at how big the MP3 files were for the movements of a piano trio--6 MB each, on the average. I thought the big advantage of MP3 was its compactness. I just compared versions of a couple of my compositions. MP3 is about 1

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Feb 2007 at 9:34, Ken Moore wrote: Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I was surprised at how big the MP3 files were for the movements of a piano trio--6 MB each, on the average. I thought the big advantage of MP3 was its compactness. I just compared versions of a

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-06 Thread Ken Moore
David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What bit-rate is that for the MP3 files? My experience is that size can vary quite a bit depending on bit-rate and the musical content. I was using MusicMatch (provided by HP on my desktop) at 128 kbit/s. for those figures. I just tried again at

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread dhbailey
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On 2/4/07, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything which can make it to the soundcard can be recorded, so preventing the actual downloading of an audio file won't prevent people from pirating it. That's very true, But Vista was going to prevent capturing sound

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread dhbailey
shirling neueweise wrote: i too find 192 the minimum for listening (128 i find actually painful to listen to for more than brief periods), but it depends on your intentions with the mp3s. if there is a link beside the mp3 link to buy the album (for example), then 128 (or even lower) as

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread dhbailey
shirling neueweise wrote: [snip] the idea that (for example) in 3-5 yrs everyone on the planet is going to have some sort of mega-broadband is - despite massive and rapid technological changes in recent years - nothing more than euro/americo/japanico-centric arrogance and fairly completely

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Feb 2007 at 6:30, dhbailey wrote: There are huge areas of reasonably well-populated areas of the U.S. that don't even have DSL as an option, and absolutely no cable access. I'm sure the same is true in Europe and Japan. But of course not where the computer pundits and major computer

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Feb 2007 at 6:25, dhbailey wrote: One important thing for Andrew to remember in deciding what to do with the audio stuff is that not everybody is on broadband and that the audio file should be small enough to be fairly reasonable for modem users or folks who have to pay by the minute to

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Feb 4, 2007, at 6:51 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: if there is a link beside the mp3 link to buy the album (for example), then 128 (or even lower) as only an example of the artist's work may be fine, and, who knows, may even discourage some from making the extra effort to rip because of

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread dhbailey
Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 4, 2007, at 6:51 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: if there is a link beside the mp3 link to buy the album (for example), then 128 (or even lower) as only an example of the artist's work may be fine, and, who knows, may even discourage some from making the extra

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 01:51 PM 2/5/2007 -0500, dhbailey wrote: The only way to guarantee that something won't be ripped off is to not put it on line. Period. You made me chuckle. Though the technology discussed is out of date, my essay from ten years ago had about the same things to say

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Feb 5, 2007, at 11:10 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: No MP3 of a full work is small enough for a dialup listener, in my opinion. For downloading, certainly--but for mere playback? I myself only got DSL about a month ago, and prior to that I can't recall any difficulty playing back online

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Feb 2007 at 15:27, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 5, 2007, at 11:10 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: No MP3 of a full work is small enough for a dialup listener, in my opinion. For downloading, certainly--but for mere playback? That's the difference between downloadn and *streaming*,

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread dhbailey
Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 5, 2007, at 11:10 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: No MP3 of a full work is small enough for a dialup listener, in my opinion. For downloading, certainly--but for mere playback? I myself only got DSL about a month ago, and prior to that I can't recall any

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Darcy James Argue
Is this a Windows thing? On Macs, if your web browser is set to use QuickTime, playback of an MP3 file automatically begins as soon as QuickTime thinks it can complete the file without interruption. In other words, *every* MP3 you click on in a web browser is streaming (by default). If you

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Feb 2007 at 15:50, Darcy James Argue wrote: Is this a Windows thing? On Macs, if your web browser is set to use QuickTime, playback of an MP3 file automatically begins as soon as QuickTime thinks it can complete the file without interruption. In other words, *every* MP3 you click on

RE: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Lee Actor
Is this a Windows thing? On Macs, if your web browser is set to use QuickTime, playback of an MP3 file automatically begins as soon as QuickTime thinks it can complete the file without interruption. In other words, *every* MP3 you click on in a web browser is streaming (by default). If you

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread shirling neueweise
This brings up another point. Andrii Didorenko is a world-class virtuoso, and the MP3 of his piano trio is absolutely of commercial quality, though he himself thinks it's not very good. He knows I'm going to put it up on my site, but I don't think he's thought of the possibility that people

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Christopher Smith
On 5-Feb-07, at 3:50 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Is this a Windows thing? On Macs, if your web browser is set to use QuickTime, playback of an MP3 file automatically begins as soon as QuickTime thinks it can complete the file without interruption. In other words, *every* MP3 you click on

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Darcy James Argue
Chris, Not so. In your web browser, you can just right-click (or control- click) on any MP3 link and choose Download Linked File. You only need QuickTime Pro to save the file from inside the QuickTime Player interface, but there's nothing stopping you from downloading the MP3 from your

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Feb 2007 at 17:58, Darcy James Argue wrote: Not so. In your web browser, you can just right-click (or control- click) on any MP3 link and choose Download Linked File. You only need QuickTime Pro to save the file from inside the QuickTime Player interface, but there's nothing stopping

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread shirling neueweise
But if it is set up for streaming, all you'll end up downloading is the file that points to the source file (this is another way to circumvent streaming, BTW). but the file is on your HD if you know how to find it. i recently found out because some people had sent me mp3 links to their

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Feb 2007 at 2:16, shirling neueweise wrote: [quoting me:] But if it is set up for streaming, all you'll end up downloading is the file that points to the source file (this is another way to circumvent streaming, BTW). but the file is on your HD if you know how to find it. Not in a

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:29 PM 2/5/2007 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: Not in a complete format. Real streaming (not Real(tm)) writes only a small part of the file at a time to the hard drive. Yes, you can capture the real-time playback, but there is no complete file downloaded for you to save from your browser

RE: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-05 Thread Lee Actor
But if it is set up for streaming, all you'll end up downloading is the file that points to the source file (this is another way to circumvent streaming, BTW). but the file is on your HD if you know how to find it. i recently found out because some people had sent me mp3 links to their

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I think you need to convert it to a streaming-only format, like the one used by RealPlayer. Actually, I do have RealAudio Encoder 3.1, which I have used to set up streaming audio for all past sound files at my website. Unfortunately,

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Feb 2007 at 13:51, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I think you need to convert it to a streaming-only format, like the one used by RealPlayer. Actually, I do have RealAudio Encoder 3.1, which I have used to set up streaming audio for all

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 3 Feb 2007 at 16:02, Andrew Stiller wrote: I'm sure there must be a way to post an MP3 file to the web such that those accessing it can only listen to it as streaming audio and not be able to download it. How do I do that? Not in a way that can't be circumvented

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: I think you need to convert it to a streaming-only format, like the one used by RealPlayer. and even then, anybody who wants the file can simply turn on an audio recording/editing program such as the freeware Audacity, set it to record what the soundcard hears and

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Feb 2007 at 15:44, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 3 Feb 2007 at 16:02, Andrew Stiller wrote: I'm sure there must be a way to post an MP3 file to the web such that those accessing it can only listen to it as streaming audio and not be able to download it. How do I do

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Feb 4, 2007, at 2:06 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 4 Feb 2007 at 13:51, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I think you need to convert it to a streaming-only format, like the one used by RealPlayer. Actually, I do have RealAudio Encoder 3.1,

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 2/4/07, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything which can make it to the soundcard can be recorded, so preventing the actual downloading of an audio file won't prevent people from pirating it. That's very true, But Vista was going to prevent capturing sound via this method, but the

RE: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread Lee Actor
BTW, I was surprised at how big the MP3 files were for the movements of a piano trio--6 MB each, on the average. I thought the big advantage of MP3 was its compactness. Andrew Stiller It depends on the data rate the files were encoded at. There's a tradeoff between sound quality and file

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Feb 2007 at 16:14, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On 2/4/07, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything which can make it to the soundcard can be recorded, so preventing the actual downloading of an audio file won't prevent people from pirating it. That's very true, But Vista was

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Feb 2007 at 16:51, Andrew Stiller wrote: I can probably get AIFF files straight from the composer in this case--but tell me about Audacity anyway. Sounds useful. Audacity opens AIFF files. Just Google it and download it. It's free, and it's very, very good. BTW, I was surprised at

RE: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Feb 2007 at 14:22, Lee Actor wrote: As with anything else, if you want to work even semi-seriously with audio, you need decent tools -- reading and writing different file formats, encoders with bit rate options, some kind of minimal editing, etc. Audacity is a remarkably complete and

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread shirling neueweise
i too find 192 the minimum for listening (128 i find actually painful to listen to for more than brief periods), but it depends on your intentions with the mp3s. if there is a link beside the mp3 link to buy the album (for example), then 128 (or even lower) as only an example of the

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Andrew Stiller / 2007/02/03 / 04:02 PM wrote: I'm sure there must be a way to post an MP3 file to the web such that those accessing it can only listen to it as streaming audio and not be able to download it. How do I do that? You can use Flash shell on mp3. Here, http://a-no-ne.com/music/ You

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread Gerald Berg
Yes MP3 is not a excellent sound product and even the smallest is too big file wise. Why they are so popular? Because they are the most convenient. Downloading DVD's is in the not too distant future. Musically-- that's mega quality. Who will care about an mp3 file then? For now,

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-04 Thread shirling neueweise
MP3 is not a excellent sound product and even the smallest is too big file wise. Why they are so popular? Because they are the most convenient. Downloading DVD's is in the not too distant future. Musically-- that's mega quality. Who will care about an mp3 file then? yes but according

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Feb 2007 at 16:02, Andrew Stiller wrote: I'm sure there must be a way to post an MP3 file to the web such that those accessing it can only listen to it as streaming audio and not be able to download it. How do I do that? Not in a way that can't be circumvented (just like with graphics).

Re: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-03 Thread Darcy James Argue
I think you need to convert it to a streaming-only format, like the one used by RealPlayer. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 03 Feb 2007, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: I'm sure there must be a way to post an MP3 file to the web such that those accessing it can

RE: [Finale] MP3--listen only?

2007-02-03 Thread Lee Actor
I'm sure there must be a way to post an MP3 file to the web such that those accessing it can only listen to it as streaming audio and not be able to download it. How do I do that? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ The only way is for your web host to use