Christopher Smith wrote:
Carolyn!
Thank you, I seem to have missed that one area when clicking. It works
perfectly, now that I know where to click.
The manual is wrong, then, and this behaviour is new. At least I can use
it now.
[snip]
The manual is wrong? What's up with that?!? They
Sibelius is trying to lure Finale users yet again:
The crossgrade from Finale to Sibelius5 is only $99, so for people who
have wondered what the big deal is with Sibelius or who have been
anxious to give it a real try beyond what the demo shows:
Ok, so what should I do: I have Fin2k7. I am tempted to upgrade to 2k9.
Or should I crossgrade to Sibelius?
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At 11:28 +0200 25/07/08, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I am tempted to upgrade to 2k9. Or should I crossgrade to Sibelius?
2k9 ;-)
raglan
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Do both!
That's what I did last year.
Chriistopher
On Jul 25, 2008, at 5:28 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Ok, so what should I do: I have Fin2k7. I am tempted to upgrade to
2k9. Or should I crossgrade to Sibelius?
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On Jul 25, 2008, at 5:05 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Sibelius is trying to lure Finale users yet again:
The crossgrade from Finale to Sibelius5 is only $99, so for people
who have wondered what the big deal is with Sibelius or who have
been anxious to give it a real try beyond what the demo
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Ok, so what should I do: I have Fin2k7. I am tempted to upgrade to 2k9.
Or should I crossgrade to Sibelius?
Johannes
Good question, and one that only you can really answer.
What I have found in working with Sibelius5 is that it is as easy to get
data entry as
If you haven't worked with Sibelius you might consider $99 a small,
but effective investment. I did just that last year.
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On Jul 25, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Ok, so what should I do: I
On Fri, July 25, 2008 6:27 am, Christopher Smith wrote:
I got it last year, not so much because I am about to jump ship, but
because students are submitting work in Sibelius and I have to be
able to help them.
I got it last year because I thought some of my engraving clients might be
using it.
At 07:31 AM 7/25/2008, dhbailey wrote:
One major difference is that Sibelius has several different types of
expression text -- there is Technique text and there is Expression text,
whereas in Finale it's all grouped together as Text Expressions. In
Sibelius it's possible to edit the appearance
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:31 AM, dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't think of anything which is possible in Finale which isn't
possible in Sibelius these days,
Sib4 could not even do something as trivial as nested instrument
brackets. Can Sib5 do these?
ust as there are probably things
It's easier just to right-click to the left of the staff. Then you can
select which scope you want to resize.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 3:41 AM, dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
Carolyn!
Thank you, I seem to have missed that one area when clicking. It works
Sibelius 5 works the same as 4 with regard to instrument brackets; you
can place thin sub-brackets within any bracketed instrument sets.
Braces will collide with brackets so should not be used together. Fine
if thats the setup you need but if you need more flexibility or nested
braces,
Robert is certainly spot-on in his comments, and please allow me to add a few
points from the playback and miscellaneous areas.
*Finalescript 2.0 is better than ever. If you are not an FS user, you ought to
be, since it can automate a large number of nuisance repetitive activities.
Older
Nope, broken (when you right-click to the left.)
You HAVE to click (or right-click) BETWEEN the staves, to the RIGHT
of the time signature, just as Carolyn so astutely pointed out. Other
positions have the other options greyed-out.
Christopher
On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Robert
On 25.07.2008 Robert Patterson wrote:
This seems really plausible until you start thinking about layers, grace notes,
v1/v2, and even tuplets of 0-length. All of these mean that an unlimited number
of notes can coincide at the same beat location.
Can you tell us the consequences?
Personally
On 25.07.2008 dhbailey wrote:
I can't think of anything which is possible in Finale which isn't
possible in Sibelius these days, although I'm sure there are some
obscure things, just as there are probably things possible with Sibelius
which are not possible (or are difficult) in Finale, although
At 09:51 AM 7/25/2008, Robert Patterson wrote:
Here is the next really good thing. Expressions can now be placed in
categories, and every expression in that category can have the same
settings.
I'd like to clarify these points in Robert's excellent post.
Expressions now *must* belong to a
On 25.07.2008 Williams, Jim wrote:
WHAT DO I MISS??? That's easy...ABILITY TO RUN PLUGINS ON LINKED PARTS!!
Ah, that brings up a question: Does collision remover work on parts now?
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Fortunately most 3rd-party plugins do not have this limitation, and in
my experience (with 1 or 2 exceptions) they are the best one to use
anyway. The stupid thing is that the change to fix this problem is a
1-line change plus a recompile.
Williams, Jim wrote:
WHAT DO I MISS??? That's
Hi All,
I can no longer enter the superscript numeral 2 in Bill Duncan's
Rehearsal font. All of the other Shift-Opt numbers are entered correctly.
I'm using FinMac2008b.r.1 and OS X 10.5.4.
I want to make a rehearsal letter A2 with a superscript 2. In Finale a
blank is shown when I type
Richard Smith wrote:
Sibelius 5 works the same as 4 with regard to instrument brackets; you
can place thin sub-brackets within any bracketed instrument sets.
But you can't further nest the sub-brackets, right. So the Rite of
Spring score is not readily possible. If I can't even get past
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Can you tell us the consequences?
I'm not sure what consequences you are looking for besides those I
already listed. The primary consequence is poor upgrades of existing work.
I seem to recall you use mirrors. If so, I do not believe you will be
able to mirror
ARGH!!
That honks me off...that's all it takes?!?!?wow!! Why the )(*^)*(^*% didn't
they do that? Robert, couldn't you/can you exercise some influence over this
with MM?
Let's hope for a revision in 2k9a.
Thanx for the info, Robert!
Jim Williams
From: [EMAIL
Williams, Jim wrote:
Robert, couldn't you/can you exercise some influence over this with MM?
It is to laugh, to think this current MM bunch listens to me for setting
priorities.
Let's hope for a revision in 2k9a.
Considering they could have done this at any time since the maintenance
Robert,
I failed to indicate a healthy dose of facetiousness in that earlier post! ;-)
Jim W.
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To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09
Williams, Jim wrote:
Now we are arguing semantics, but in this case somewhat important
semantics. Miscellaneous is a category that is not a category. It has
no category-level settings and you can't clone it. Miscellaneous is
just the word MM chose for no category. It is the null category.
I mention this only
Well, I can place brackets (heavy vertical line with or without wings)
inside of or outside of sub-brackets (the thin bracket) by changing the
distance from staff in the House styleEngraving rulesbrackets
menu. I can also move the braces (the curly, piano style bracket) so
they are outside of
Hi Leigh,
It's not new behavior -- this is a problem with several characters in
ALL of Bill Duncan's fonts (opt-shift-2, opt-shift-5, opt-shift-6, and
opt-shift-K). You need to uninstall the TrueType version of the fonts,
and install ONLY the PostScript versions (which do not have this
Good summary, David. Thanks.
Dick H
On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:31 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Ok, so what should I do: I have Fin2k7. I am tempted to upgrade to
2k9. Or should I crossgrade to Sibelius?
Johannes
Good question, and one that only you can really answer.
What I
I continue this thread not because I desire terribly to defend Finale,
but because I want to understand if Sibelius is really a viable alternative.
In Finale, you can nest brackets (in my case, desk brackets)
arbitrarily deep. These automatically reconfigure themselves as needed,
both in
Whoa, I just saw this, but I don't buy it. Please explain how Sib is any
better than using the mass-apply metatool approach in Finale.
dhbailey wrote:
application of
a large number of articulations is easier in Sib5 than in Finale up
through 2008 (I can't speak for 2009).
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Robert
Hmm, I did not give the pertinent error message.
The specified device handle is invalid shows when I load Finale, but when I
try to click on a measure in Speedy, I get:
The specified device is already in use. Wait until it is free, and then try again.
THAT is the message that I
Hi Leigh,
It's not new behavior -- this is a problem with several characters in
ALL of Bill Duncan's fonts (opt-shift-2, opt-shift-5, opt-shift-6, and
opt-shift-K). You need to uninstall the TrueType version of the fonts,
and install ONLY the PostScript versions (which do not have this
I'm not buying it either. I'm not sure if Richard is aware of Finale's
mass-apply metatool approach, but it is definitely *much* faster than
any method of applying articulations in Sibelius.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 25 Jul 2008, at 1:23 PM, Robert Patterson
Hi Darcy,
I will make sure, but I think I am having this problem with the PS
version too.
I will report back soon.
Chuck
On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hi Leigh,
It's not new behavior -- this is a problem with several characters
in ALL of Bill Duncan's fonts
Hi Darcy,
I didn't have the TT fonts installed.
I went ahead and deleted all the Rehearsal fonts and logged out. I
logged back in and installed only the PS Fonts into /Library/Fonts.
The Apple FontBook program shows that it is installed, that is a
PostScript Type1 font and the the superscript
Robert Patterson wrote:
Whoa, I just saw this, but I don't buy it. Please explain how Sib is any
better than using the mass-apply metatool approach in Finale.
dhbailey wrote:
application of
a large number of articulations is easier in Sib5 than in Finale up
through 2008 (I can't speak for
It was David (me) who made that comment Robert was questioning --
Sibelius allows many different editing functions on ctrl-click selected
non-contiguous notes, applying an accidental (which does apply to
playback), removing an accidental, raising or lowering those specified
notes by a uniform
Hi all,
Wearing my non-musical author's hat: I am so pleased to announce that my
new book, Country Stores of Vermont: A History and Guide has finally
arrived at my door. It's published by The History Press, and looks pretty
darn good.
Amazon and other stores have it (see sig) or you can get an
Hi Darcy,
This is problematic for me. I haven't been able to make this work.
If I remove all but the PS version (in this case - the one labeled
Rehea), then Rehearsal does not show up in my font list in
Fontbook. (I haven't checked to see if it is in Finale's font list,
but the
Hi Leigh,
Greg came up with the same result. We discussed it and experimented
at length in a video chat (a moment of old guy amazement at the fact
that this is possible - Bellingham to Vancouver) to no good result.
Misery may love company, but I also enjoy company when there is no
On 25.07.2008 J D Thomas wrote:
From my experience over the past 10 months of using Sibelius 5 a LOT, I would
say slurs in S5 are WAY behind Finale 2K7, which is what I'm on. Entering them
is pretty easy but different from Finale, and not at all hard to get used to.
But the look is more
Actually you can hold down a metatool and drag-enclose a whole bunch
of notes (horizontally and vertically) and apply them en masse. You
do need to select (click) each note in Sibelius to apply multiple
aritcs at once.
And don't forget that you can hold down the delete key and drag-
On Jul 25, 2008, at 2:19 PM, dhbailey wrote:
John Blane wrote:
Actually you can hold down a metatool and drag-enclose a whole
bunch of notes (horizontally and vertically) and apply them en
masse. You do need to select (click) each note in Sibelius to
apply multiple aritcs at once.
In
On 25 Jul 2008 at 8:51, Robert Patterson wrote:
Here is one of the really good new things: MM has eliminated the need
for all those assignment dialogs. Now you select an expression from the
dialog, and it knows how to assign itself. But if you are in the
situation of multiple notes
You could try this (from my tech tips faq) if you can run Classic. It
fixed the Ghent Percussion font for me:
Apple offers a free utility called AAT Font Tool. (Search Google or the
Apple Developer website.) AAT Font Tool is a Classic program, so you
must be able to run Classic to use it. Run
I don't know if this is still relevant in 10.5 but the old fix was
to delete com.apple.ATS and restart.
fingers crossed
JB
On Jul 25, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
Hi Leigh,
Greg came up with the same result. We discussed it and
experimented at length in a video chat (a moment
If I understand the question, the answer is yes. It isn't fussy at all.
David W. Fenton wrote:
Can you place an expression in one location and have it take effect
somewhere else *without* needing to define that other location in
EVPUs?
I very often enter things exactly as the appear in my
On 25 Jul 2008 at 15:29, David W. Fenton wrote:
Can you place an expression in one location and have it take effect
somewhere else *without* needing to define that other location in
EVPUs?
That should be EDUs instead. I've always found the fact that I have
any need whatsoever to use these
On 25 Jul 2008 at 0:08, Christopher Smith wrote:
Strangely, there are exceptions. The SHAPE articulations resize with
the cubby, and I noticed the Tr with the sharp, flat and natural
above resizing, but not the plain vanilla Tr marking. Also, the text
descriptions (if any) resize with
Congrats on your new book, Dennis!
how long did it take from conception to arrival at your door?
-Cecil Rigby
Liberty, SC
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: [Finale] OT: My country stores book
On Fri, July 25, 2008 4:01 pm, Cecil Rigby wrote:
Congrats on your new book, Dennis!
how long did it take from conception to arrival at your door?
Thanks much!
The History Press asked for it in September -- still four months from the
end of my WAAM project last year, so I couldn't start on the
Well, the tempo indication is what I mean, ie Allegro.
Johannes
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On 25.07.2008 Robert Patterson wrote:
Absolutely you can use them for that. Actually, I believe staff lists work the
same for repeats as always. It's only for expressions that they have changed.
You can use exactly 4 different staff lists with expressions. If you want more
than that, you are
On 25.07.2008 Robert Patterson wrote:
bugger. A real bugger. Damn it.
Wie sacht man das auf Deutch? Jetzt lerne ich Deutch und das ist so expressiv.
LOL
Verdammt nochmal. Or, as my step-son says, Verdampft nochmal
(translates as gone up in steam)
Johannes
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On 25.07.2008 Robert Patterson wrote:
bugger. A real bugger. Damn it.
Wie sacht man das auf Deutch? Jetzt lerne ich Deutch und das ist so
expressiv. LOL
Verdammt nochmal. Or, as my step-son says, Verdampft nochmal
(translates as gone up in steam)
Hahaha!
On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 25 Jul 2008 at 0:08, Christopher Smith wrote:
Strangely, there are exceptions. The SHAPE articulations resize with
the cubby, and I noticed the Tr with the sharp, flat and natural
above resizing, but not the plain vanilla Tr marking.
Hi John,
That's a different issue. This is a problem specifically with Bill
Duncan's fonts, not MakeMusic fonts.
Regarding Robert's solution, I think I did try running AAT Font Tool
back when I had a machine and OS that could run Classic, and it didn't
help. That was a long time ago,
Dennis - sounds intriguing and I'll check it outbut to combine threads
between two lists, you may wanna reconsider naming it Ma Vlast Stores of
Vermont.
And to throw in my 2ยข on Fin 09, in the two days since it arrived, I haven't
found too much to complain about. But I'm sure I will.
As I've watched this thread unfold, I have increasingly suspected that
it all comes down to whether your printer can or can't duplex.
Presumably yours can't; mine can. On those occasions when I do need to
manually run the reverse of a page (I keep my title pages separate from
the associated
Me too!
I downloaded the demo of Fontographer (there's a blast from the past!)
and it looks like someone who knew what they were doing could fix the
fonts in a short amount of time (I have no experience at font editing so
I could be way off here).
Next time I see my graphic designer friend,
Hi Leigh,
If you get someone to who can repair this, please include me in the
group of participants.
Thanks,
Chuck
On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote:
Me too!
I downloaded the demo of Fontographer (there's a blast from the past!)
and it looks like someone who knew what
Don:
First a disclaimer: Since I do not use either a MAC, or a 5100, so my
advice may be of limited utility. However, I have successfully printed
out booklets on three other printers capable of printing on tabloid size
paper. Here are the steps I take, when ready to print.
1) If my finished
The extra brackets from the lines menu are a bit of a kludge. These are
basically horizontal lines that are attached to notes but can be turned
into vertical. They do not move with the staff and would have to be
inserted individually on each page. I think, if that was needed, I'd do
it the
Richard Smith wrote:
It's definitely happened both ways though I think
Sibelius has influenced Finale more than Finale has Sibelius.
The main way Finale influenced Sib was in Sib's initial market entry.
The list of features in Sib was a list of everything it did that Finale
did not. Thus,
At 12:00 -0500 25/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:45:53 -0500
From: Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09
If you made extensive, purposeful use of Staff Lists, you can kiss all
that goodbye. When your files are imported, each
Strangely, Mr. Fisher who was quick to jump on the Speedy Entry was
dropped rumor is no where to be found.
I don't get why would do that
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Claudio Pompili
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At 12:00 -0500 25/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008
Claudio Pompili wrote:
I don't understand MM's logic in placing such an arbitrary
limit on the SL function.
I understand why. It is a feature that is easily misunderstood and
abused by the majority of their users. They appear to be sick of
untangling the messes. This was further compounded
On 26 Jul 2008 at 10:51, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote:
Or a
Score in C marking above the Piccolo only in the score - in none of
the parts.
Did someone say that in Fin2009 that the this staff only was not
the default?
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David
I agree whole heartedly Robert. Most of the complaints and insults
hurled at both programs are long outdated. I am glad that in the last 2
or 3 years the platform wars seem to have subsided. Since Fin05 I think
the difference in most cases is mainly one of preferred working method
rather than
On 25 Jul 2008 at 20:39, Robert Patterson wrote:
My recommendation is to let Makemusic know how you feel about staff
lists. In particular, give examples of why you need more than four. My
belief is that opening up the number of Staff Lists is not that big a
deal for them, and I for one am
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