Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
Allen, this needs to be made clear in the documentation. If you look at the page on tempo marking, you'll see it still says: Note that you can easily generate full-featured metronome marking expressions with the Create Tempo Marking plug-in. See Create Tempo Marking Plug-in. This links to a page about the plug-in. Michael On 16 Nov 2008, at 06:09, Allen Fisher wrote: Tempo markings have always been expressions. This functionality was separated from the expression tool, making it hard to find for many people. The create tempo marking PI also did not use the new expression functionality. Now, everything's in the expression tool, doesn't require switching tools, obeys staff lists, and can be assigned a metatool. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
So rather than modify the plugin to use the new expressions, it gets deleted. So instead of a simple highlight the measure and go to the plugin and type in some simple things, it is now buried in the expression designer, a good 3+ clicks more than before? The old philosophy of MakeMusic would have been to keep the old way and allow the new way. Having multiple ways of doing things has always been the hallmark of why many of us have stuck with Finale rather than being pigeon-toed into Sibelius. So...what other deletions can we expect in Finale 2010? Maybe Speedy Entry will fall victim because it is hard for many people, or doesn't conform to some new functionality? On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Allen Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tempo markings have always been expressions. This functionality was separated from the expression tool, making it hard to find for many people. The create tempo marking PI also did not use the new expression functionality. Now, everything's in the expression tool, doesn't require switching tools, obeys staff lists, and can be assigned a metatool. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
I would call it buried in the expression designer. Double-click in the score to see the list of expressions. If the tempo marking you want is already there, just use it. If it isn't already there, one click takes you to the Expression Designer where you can create the tempo marking. If you use the old plug-in, you have the choice: either you go straight to the plug-in, at the risk of unnecessarily creating a tempo marking that already exists in the expressions library, or you check first with the expression tool to see if the marking you want is already there. If it is, all's well and good. If it isn't, you'll need to cancel the expression selection dialog, change tools, select the measure and make a choice in the plug-in menu to get to the point where you can create the expression: considerably more work than just one click to get to the Expression Designer. On 16 Nov 2008, at 10:23, Eric Dannewitz wrote: So rather than modify the plugin to use the new expressions, it gets deleted. So instead of a simple highlight the measure and go to the plugin and type in some simple things, it is now buried in the expression designer, a good 3+ clicks more than before? The old philosophy of MakeMusic would have been to keep the old way and allow the new way. Having multiple ways of doing things has always been the hallmark of why many of us have stuck with Finale rather than being pigeon-toed into Sibelius. So...what other deletions can we expect in Finale 2010? Maybe Speedy Entry will fall victim because it is hard for many people, or doesn't conform to some new functionality? On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Allen Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tempo markings have always been expressions. This functionality was separated from the expression tool, making it hard to find for many people. The create tempo marking PI also did not use the new expression functionality. Now, everything's in the expression tool, doesn't require switching tools, obeys staff lists, and can be assigned a metatool. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich
Do you have an exact date for the parts? I'm looking at my copy of Daniel Koury's Orchestral performance Prcatices in the Nineteenth Century, where he gives many lists of the strengths of different orchestras. For example, in Munich in 1803, the Churbayerishe Kapelle, led by Cannabich, contained: 1 flute 2 oboes 2 bassoons 2 (or possibly 4) horns 4 trumpets 1 timpani 1 keyboard 10 violins 2 violas 3 cellos 2 basses In 1806, the Königlich Bayersiche Kapelle, also led by Cannabich, had: 4 flutes 4 oboes 3 clarinets 3 bassoons 6 horns 12 trumpets 3 trombones 4 timpani 4 keyboards or organs 27 violins 4 violas 5 cellos 7 basses The 1803 orchestra wouldn't be far from what is indicated by the parts you describe: just a couple more violins and a couple less violas. Are there actually two separate viola parts? In this case it's well possible that 2 violinists played viola for this particular piece. On 15 Nov 2008, at 20:37, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: As a sidebar, I was surprised at the smallness of the orchestra Cannabich used (I'm using the original performance part manuscripts)- the string parts are only 2 per string chair, although he was VERY heavy on the bass line, there are two parts for a cello, contrabass, and 2 bassoons, something that the classical period orchestras liked a great deal ( I believe that Mozart's Paris symphony was first played by 10 or 12 cellos!) Thanks so much for your feedback! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
John Howell wrote: At 7:02 AM -0800 11/15/08, Richard Yates wrote: Yes, exponential. http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/Math21BThomasDIRECTORY/Exponential.pdf Pipes arranged in a decreasing series of half tone steps do not increase in length by a constant amount (which would make the profile of their ends a straight line.) The difference in their lengths gets larger and larger and so makes a curved profile - an exponential curve. OK, my math-starved brain can follow that reasoning, but do they not increase in length by a constant PERCENTAGE (as opposed to a constant LENGTH)? I thought exponential dealt with powers of 10 or some such thing. (My daughter is the math whiz in the family; she certainly didn't get it from ME!) John Yes, the formula can be re-defined as a percentage increase, but it's a fixed percentage each time and not a fixed length. In other words (to keep things simple) 10% of 100 is a smaller amount (10) than 10% of 110 (11), which in turn is a smaller amount than 10% of 121 (12.1). Calculating 1/12th (percentage necessary to lengthen tube one half-step) of 100% (the amount which is added to the tube length to lower the pitch one octave) gives you the percentage each tube needs to be lengthened by to sound the next lower half-step. So you get the same curve, just with a different mathematical formula. Interestingly enough, the length of the pipes is determined by reversing that curve in the link (which defines the increase in frequency) so the lowest pipes are the longest ones and the highest pipes are the shortest ones, while the graph has the lowest frequencies the closest to zero and the highest frequencies furthest from zero. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
But Eric's main point was -- why not rewrite the plug-in AND add the new capability to the expressions? As Eric says, it has long been a hallmark of Finale to be able to do things in multiple ways, so that each user could find the method which works best for him/her. I'm not sure I follow your logic, though -- when you say double-click in the score don't you need to be in a particular tool? In other words, if you have just used Speedy Entry, then double-click outside the edit box, expressions become the active tool? I don't have 2009, so I can't test Florence+Michael's method, but it seems to me as if there must be at least one more mouse-click to their method than is mentioned. David H. Bailey Florence + Michael wrote: I would call it buried in the expression designer. Double-click in the score to see the list of expressions. If the tempo marking you want is already there, just use it. If it isn't already there, one click takes you to the Expression Designer where you can create the tempo marking. If you use the old plug-in, you have the choice: either you go straight to the plug-in, at the risk of unnecessarily creating a tempo marking that already exists in the expressions library, or you check first with the expression tool to see if the marking you want is already there. If it is, all's well and good. If it isn't, you'll need to cancel the expression selection dialog, change tools, select the measure and make a choice in the plug-in menu to get to the point where you can create the expression: considerably more work than just one click to get to the Expression Designer. On 16 Nov 2008, at 10:23, Eric Dannewitz wrote: So rather than modify the plugin to use the new expressions, it gets deleted. So instead of a simple highlight the measure and go to the plugin and type in some simple things, it is now buried in the expression designer, a good 3+ clicks more than before? The old philosophy of MakeMusic would have been to keep the old way and allow the new way. Having multiple ways of doing things has always been the hallmark of why many of us have stuck with Finale rather than being pigeon-toed into Sibelius. So...what other deletions can we expect in Finale 2010? Maybe Speedy Entry will fall victim because it is hard for many people, or doesn't conform to some new functionality? On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Allen Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tempo markings have always been expressions. This functionality was separated from the expression tool, making it hard to find for many people. The create tempo marking PI also did not use the new expression functionality. Now, everything's in the expression tool, doesn't require switching tools, obeys staff lists, and can be assigned a metatool. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
One of the great improvements they made is that they got rid of it. It is now an expression, and you have to create it in the expression editor. Fun huh? On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Rod McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have recently up-graded to 2009b and for the first time since I commenced using Finale in 2004, I am unable to find the 'Create Tempo Plug- In', which has always been under 'Plug-Ins---Expressions---Create Tempo. Now, no plug in. Am I missing something simple? Help, please.I am in the middle of something which requires repeated changes of tempo! Thanks. Rod. The problem with the Create Tempo Plug-in, I think, is that it used Maestro numbers instead of Times. I always found that to look most unprofessional. But, if really like it, and if you have an old copy of Finale around, you can reinstall the plug-in (just copy it into the correct folder), and it does work fine (at least it did when I tried it). If you need a copy of it, ask the list and someone can send it to you (I am Mac, and if you are also, email me off-list). You might consider not using it. I'm not sure it takes all that much longer to make a tempo change now. You double-click to add an expression, click on the Tempo Marks set, select one of the given expressions, click on duplicate, then edit. Then you can change the numbers and text. If you need to change the value (quarter, eighth, etc.), you need to know the EngraverTextT equivalents (q is quarter, e is eighth, x is sixteenth, h is half, w is whole, dot adds a dot, ). If you care about playback, click on the playback tab and change the tempo there also. I do agree that they could have simply updated the Create Tempo plug- in, fixing it by allowing mixed fonts. But I also think it would have saved, at most, a couple of clicks. David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
On 16 Nov 2008, at 15:36, David Froom wrote: You might consider not using it. I'm not sure it takes all that much longer to make a tempo change now. You double-click to add an expression, click on the Tempo Marks set, select one of the given expressions, click on duplicate, then edit. Then you can change the numbers and text. If you need to change the value (quarter, eighth, etc.), you need to know the EngraverTextT equivalents (q is quarter, e is eighth, x is sixteenth, h is half, w is whole, dot adds a dot, ). If you care about playback, click on the playback tab and change the tempo there also. Making a tempo expression is now much easier than that: - With the Tempo Marks category selected in the expression designer, click on create tempo mark - Choose the note value from the new Insert Note popup menu. - Go on typing the equal sign and the number: you'll find they are automatically set to the correct font. - If you click on the Playback tab, you'll see that playback has already been automatically defined. Note that it is now very easy to do such things as add parentheses around the definition of the metronome marking, or create expressions like quarter note = circa 100. All that wasn't possible directly with the plug-in: you'd have to first create the expression with the plug-in, then go to the expression tool and edit the expresion there. Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
Generally, when I do work, I don't have tempos already defined, and when I have used the plugin before, it is creating a tempo for the first time. So, the whole first part of your argument is nulled. They should have just updated the plugin. I think it was a quick, easy way to get tempos into a project. Now it is buried for the sake of a new feature? On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:36 AM, Florence + Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would call it buried in the expression designer. Double-click in the score to see the list of expressions. If the tempo marking you want is already there, just use it. If it isn't already there, one click takes you to the Expression Designer where you can create the tempo marking. If you use the old plug-in, you have the choice: either you go straight to the plug-in, at the risk of unnecessarily creating a tempo marking that already exists in the expressions library, or you check first with the expression tool to see if the marking you want is already there. If it is, all's well and good. If it isn't, you'll need to cancel the expression selection dialog, change tools, select the measure and make a choice in the plug-in menu to get to the point where you can create the expression: considerably more work than just one click to get to the Expression Designer. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:36 AM, David Froom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with the Create Tempo Plug-in, I think, is that it used Maestro numbers instead of Times. I always found that to look most unprofessional. But, if really like it, and if you have an old copy of Finale around, you can reinstall the plug-in (just copy it into the correct folder), and it does work fine (at least it did when I tried it). If you need a copy of it, ask the list and someone can send it to you (I am Mac, and if you are also, email me off-list). It does use Maestro for numbers. That is not really a problem. I have a copy of it, thanks. You might consider not using it. I'm not sure it takes all that much longer to make a tempo change now. You double-click to add an expression, click on the Tempo Marks set, select one of the given expressions, click on duplicate, then edit. Then you can change the numbers and text. If you need to change the value (quarter, eighth, etc.), you need to know the EngraverTextT equivalents (q is quarter, e is eighth, x is sixteenth, h is half, w is whole, dot adds a dot, ). If you care about playback, click on the playback tab and change the tempo there also. Here is how you do it with the plugin: Highlight the measure-Plugin and all the stuff is there. Your way, you double click, then hunt for an expression (which means another click on the expression designer if there isn't one up infront of you). Another click to duplicate, then another to edit. And if you want tempo, you need to click another tab to get to that? This is assuming that there was an tempo expression already in your library. With the plugin it was all right there, in one simple dialogue box. I do agree that they could have simply updated the Create Tempo plug-in, fixing it by allowing mixed fonts. But I also think it would have saved, at most, a couple of clicks. Couple? Easilyplus all the options are right there. I don't see why, again, MakeMusic decided to just kill it. I think it was really faster to use than the process described above. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
The Quarter note = circa 100 can be done with the plugin, however, parentheses around the whole expression is a no go. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Florence + Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that it is now very easy to do such things as add parentheses around the definition of the metronome marking, or create expressions like quarter note = circa 100. All that wasn't possible directly with the plug-in: you'd have to first create the expression with the plug-in, then go to the expression tool and edit the expresion there. Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
I'll see that this gets updated. On Nov 16, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Florence + Michael wrote: Allen, this needs to be made clear in the documentation. If you look at the page on tempo marking, you'll see it still says: Note that you can easily generate full-featured metronome marking expressions with the Create Tempo Marking plug-in. See Create Tempo Marking Plug-in. This links to a page about the plug-in. Michael On 16 Nov 2008, at 06:09, Allen Fisher wrote: Tempo markings have always been expressions. This functionality was separated from the expression tool, making it hard to find for many people. The create tempo marking PI also did not use the new expression functionality. Now, everything's in the expression tool, doesn't require switching tools, obeys staff lists, and can be assigned a metatool. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
On 16 Nov 2008, at 18:53, Eric Dannewitz wrote: The Quarter note = circa 100 can be done with the plugin, How? To be absolutely clear, I'm talking about the quarter note symbol. I can only make the plug-in create circa [quarter note] = 100, not [quarter note] = circa 100 Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
Easy, highlight the measure, go to the plugin, check Display Tempo text, type in what you want, and uncheck Display Metronome Marking. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Florence + Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Nov 2008, at 18:53, Eric Dannewitz wrote: The Quarter note = circa 100 can be done with the plugin, How? To be absolutely clear, I'm talking about the quarter note symbol. I can only make the plug-in create circa [quarter note] = 100, not [quarter note] = circa 100 Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
No, that doesn't make an expression with the symbol for the quarter note in it, only normal text. On 16 Nov 2008, at 19:41, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Easy, highlight the measure, go to the plugin, check Display Tempo text, type in what you want, and uncheck Display Metronome Marking. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Florence + Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Nov 2008, at 18:53, Eric Dannewitz wrote: The Quarter note = circa 100 can be done with the plugin, How? To be absolutely clear, I'm talking about the quarter note symbol. I can only make the plug-in create circa [quarter note] = 100, not [quarter note] = circa 100 Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] missing 'Create Tempo Plug-In'
Ok, no, it doesn't. But then again, I've never noted any tempo marking like that. Regardless, I still think the Plugin should have been modified to work with the new expressions rather than just axed. It is more steps to create markings. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Florence + Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, that doesn't make an expression with the symbol for the quarter note in it, only normal text. On 16 Nov 2008, at 19:41, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Easy, highlight the measure, go to the plugin, check Display Tempo text, type in what you want, and uncheck Display Metronome Marking. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Florence + Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Nov 2008, at 18:53, Eric Dannewitz wrote: The Quarter note = circa 100 can be done with the plugin, How? To be absolutely clear, I'm talking about the quarter note symbol. I can only make the plug-in create circa [quarter note] = 100, not [quarter note] = circa 100 Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fermatas over rests
Yep. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Nov 2008, at 3:43 PM, dc wrote: If a part is silent and other parts have a fermata, does one need to add a fermata over the rest? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fermatas over rests
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:43 PM, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a part is silent and other parts have a fermata, does one need to add a fermata over the rest? Thanks, Dennis Hi Dennis: Brian makes me do that for the Graupner editions. Take care Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fermatas over rests
At 9:43 PM +0100 11/16/08, dc wrote: If a part is silent and other parts have a fermata, does one need to add a fermata over the rest? Of course. Otherwise everyone whose part is silent won't know that there's a fermata, will barge right ahead, and will then write in the fermata you left out while cursing you under their breath! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fermatas over rests
At 10:11 PM +0100 11/16/08, dc wrote: John Howell écrit: Of course. Otherwise everyone whose part is silent won't know that there's a fermata, will barge right ahead, and will then write in the fermata you left out while cursing you under their breath! Well, I should have added that this is for early music, and only a few vocal parts and basso continuo. Everyone plays or sings from the score. I'm willing to add them if that's the kosher thing to do, but I don't think there's any risk of anyone barging ahead. Ah, that's quite different. What I would expect to see, if playing from score, is a single fermata over the barline (if that's where it belongs, of course). If it is on a rest, however, my personal decision would be to duplicate it on all lines of the score. I would not expect someone reading off the bottom line to automatically search the top line for a fermata. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
On Nov 15, 2008, at 5:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Only outdoor pipe organs would be able to have more than about 4 or 5 logarithmic pipes, I think (unless you started with rilly, rilly tiny mixture-type pipes), and wouldn't be terribly useful musically. Pitch rises logarithmically *relative to frequency,* but wavelength (which is what we are talking about here) does indeed rise exponentially. The lowest open flue pipe on most (indoor) organs, 32' C, is indeed 32' long, and sounds the bottom C on the piano. Successive octaves of C have lengths of 16', 8' (cello), 4' (viola), 2' (middle c), 1', 6, 3, and 1.5 (top note on piano). A stopped pipe, however, sounds an octave lower than its length would suggest, so that 32' C will be produced by a stopped pipe only 16' long, and some organs, indeed, go down to 64' C (16.351 Hz!), produced by a stopped pipe 32' long. A typical church or concert hall can easily accommodate a pipe of that length. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
On 16 Nov 2008 at 17:27, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Nov 15, 2008, at 5:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Only outdoor pipe organs would be able to have more than about 4 or 5 logarithmic pipes, I think (unless you started with rilly, rilly tiny mixture-type pipes), and wouldn't be terribly useful musically. Pitch rises logarithmically *relative to frequency,* but wavelength (which is what we are talking about here) does indeed rise exponentially. The lowest open flue pipe on most (indoor) organs, 32' C, is indeed 32' long, and sounds the bottom C on the piano. Successive octaves of C have lengths of 16', 8' (cello), 4' (viola), 2' (middle c), 1', 6, 3, and 1.5 (top note on piano). A stopped pipe, however, sounds an octave lower than its length would suggest, so that 32' C will be produced by a stopped pipe only 16' long, and some organs, indeed, go down to 64' C (16.351 Hz!), produced by a stopped pipe 32' long. A typical church or concert hall can easily accommodate a pipe of that length. Er, Andrew, I think you completely missed the joke. I was going with the mistaken logarithmic idea, and that, indeed, would *not* fit inside any building in existence without a vast reduction in the number of pipes. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
