Re: [Finale] chord symbol items

[Haroldo Mauro]

I'm very glad someone is working on it. Thanks!
Harold


On 24/01/2016, at 20:49, Jan Angermüller wrote:

> I am working on a chord changer plug-in for Finale which allows 
> switching the font size including correct scaling of the offsets (see 
> demo at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpJa6Lf4HZA ) as well as 
> changing between different chord fonts. Even symbol clusters as used in 
> JazzCord, SwingCord or RealBook Chords are automatically detected and 
> converted (see demo at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jAEKsQ7gWY ).
> Please be patient. The plug-in will be available soon.
> 
> Jan
> 
> Am 23.01.2016 um 19:19 schrieb Christopher Smith:
>> Yup, different libraries is the way to go. My first one took me a week, my 
>> second took me most of the day. Huge pain. Plus, there is a long-standing 
>> bug where if you import a Jazz library into a Maestro document, the 
>> parentheses end up being Maestro instead of Jazz, which have a different 
>> baseline so that they are too low. Good luck.
>> 
>> Oh, and there is STILL no way to get just a few chords into a different 
>> size. You can have different SUFFIXES, but for the name of the chord (like 
>> Eb in an Ebmaj7 chord) it is fixed for the entire document. Sometimes I have 
>> very dense measures that I would like to compress a bit, but easy way to do 
>> it.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replying. I agree it is a huge lack. I will mention it to tech 
>>> support. The plugin would be a solution for me, since what I usually need 
>>> is to resize changes for the whole document/instruments. To resize one or 
>>> two chords once in a while would be easy just to edit the chord itself or 
>>> create a new one in the Chord Definition window, with different size fonts 
>>> and positioning. Now, I have this custom library of chords, created over 
>>> the years, which I like, but the fonts are kind of small for some players 
>>> to read at a distance, so I want to increase the whole library for the new 
>>> parts I write in the future. I hate to think I will need to edit the chords 
>>> one by one. With Data Check->Change Fonts I run into the same problem. The 
>>> fonts increase in size, but not the spacing.
>>> Harold
>>> 
>>> On 23/01/2016, at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>> 
 No, and this is a HUGE hairy lack in the program right now. Please write 
 tech support and complain about this. It is supposed to be something that 
 computers do easily, yet there is no way to do it ever since chords 
 started attaching to measures instead of items. In the past, you could 
 attach a chord to a hidden item in another layer and resize the item, 
 causing the chord to resize as well, but that functionality was removed.
 
 The only kludge I know of is to have another staff with everything hidden 
 except chords, and resize the staff. You would include the special staff 
 in the part where you needed it. Obviously, if you have several 
 instruments needing resized chords, you would need a different extra staff 
 for EVERY instrument, unless everything you put in the piano you also put 
 in the guitar and bass part, and of course don’t forget instruments that 
 need changes for improvisation. Urg.
 
 Jari Williamsson said he was working on an edit to his Change plugin to 
 allow kerning to be preserved for chord suffixes, which would be great, 
 except there would STLL be no easy way to resize just a couple of chords.
 
 Christopher
 
 
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> 
> Is there a plugin, or any other way, to add space among chord symbol 
> suffix items globally and proportionally, when increasing chord symbols 
> size through menu Utilities->Change->Chords? These items will collide 
> when increased by a large percentage, so the idea is that the space among 
> these items increase by the same percentage.
> Harold
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Re: [Finale] chord symbol items

[Christopher Smith]

Wow! Looks great! I can’t wait!

Christopher


> On Sun Jan 24, at SundayJan 24 5:49 PM, Jan Angermüller 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am working on a chord changer plug-in for Finale which allows 
> switching the font size including correct scaling of the offsets (see 
> demo at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpJa6Lf4HZA ) as well as 
> changing between different chord fonts. Even symbol clusters as used in 
> JazzCord, SwingCord or RealBook Chords are automatically detected and 
> converted (see demo at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jAEKsQ7gWY ).
> Please be patient. The plug-in will be available soon.
> 
> Jan
> 
> Am 23.01.2016 um 19:19 schrieb Christopher Smith:
>> Yup, different libraries is the way to go. My first one took me a week, my 
>> second took me most of the day. Huge pain. Plus, there is a long-standing 
>> bug where if you import a Jazz library into a Maestro document, the 
>> parentheses end up being Maestro instead of Jazz, which have a different 
>> baseline so that they are too low. Good luck.
>> 
>> Oh, and there is STILL no way to get just a few chords into a different 
>> size. You can have different SUFFIXES, but for the name of the chord (like 
>> Eb in an Ebmaj7 chord) it is fixed for the entire document. Sometimes I have 
>> very dense measures that I would like to compress a bit, but easy way to do 
>> it.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replying. I agree it is a huge lack. I will mention it to tech 
>>> support. The plugin would be a solution for me, since what I usually need 
>>> is to resize changes for the whole document/instruments. To resize one or 
>>> two chords once in a while would be easy just to edit the chord itself or 
>>> create a new one in the Chord Definition window, with different size fonts 
>>> and positioning. Now, I have this custom library of chords, created over 
>>> the years, which I like, but the fonts are kind of small for some players 
>>> to read at a distance, so I want to increase the whole library for the new 
>>> parts I write in the future. I hate to think I will need to edit the chords 
>>> one by one. With Data Check->Change Fonts I run into the same problem. The 
>>> fonts increase in size, but not the spacing.
>>> Harold
>>> 
>>> On 23/01/2016, at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>> 
 No, and this is a HUGE hairy lack in the program right now. Please write 
 tech support and complain about this. It is supposed to be something that 
 computers do easily, yet there is no way to do it ever since chords 
 started attaching to measures instead of items. In the past, you could 
 attach a chord to a hidden item in another layer and resize the item, 
 causing the chord to resize as well, but that functionality was removed.
 
 The only kludge I know of is to have another staff with everything hidden 
 except chords, and resize the staff. You would include the special staff 
 in the part where you needed it. Obviously, if you have several 
 instruments needing resized chords, you would need a different extra staff 
 for EVERY instrument, unless everything you put in the piano you also put 
 in the guitar and bass part, and of course don’t forget instruments that 
 need changes for improvisation. Urg.
 
 Jari Williamsson said he was working on an edit to his Change plugin to 
 allow kerning to be preserved for chord suffixes, which would be great, 
 except there would STLL be no easy way to resize just a couple of chords.
 
 Christopher
 
 
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> 
> Is there a plugin, or any other way, to add space among chord symbol 
> suffix items globally and proportionally, when increasing chord symbols 
> size through menu Utilities->Change->Chords? These items will collide 
> when increased by a large percentage, so the idea is that the space among 
> these items increase by the same percentage.
> Harold
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Re: [Finale] chord symbol items

[Jan Angermüller]

I am working on a chord changer plug-in for Finale which allows 
switching the font size including correct scaling of the offsets (see 
demo at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpJa6Lf4HZA ) as well as 
changing between different chord fonts. Even symbol clusters as used in 
JazzCord, SwingCord or RealBook Chords are automatically detected and 
converted (see demo at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jAEKsQ7gWY ).
Please be patient. The plug-in will be available soon.

Jan

Am 23.01.2016 um 19:19 schrieb Christopher Smith:
> Yup, different libraries is the way to go. My first one took me a week, my 
> second took me most of the day. Huge pain. Plus, there is a long-standing bug 
> where if you import a Jazz library into a Maestro document, the parentheses 
> end up being Maestro instead of Jazz, which have a different baseline so that 
> they are too low. Good luck.
>
> Oh, and there is STILL no way to get just a few chords into a different size. 
> You can have different SUFFIXES, but for the name of the chord (like Eb in an 
> Ebmaj7 chord) it is fixed for the entire document. Sometimes I have very 
> dense measures that I would like to compress a bit, but easy way to do it.
>
> Christopher
>
>
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for replying. I agree it is a huge lack. I will mention it to tech 
>> support. The plugin would be a solution for me, since what I usually need is 
>> to resize changes for the whole document/instruments. To resize one or two 
>> chords once in a while would be easy just to edit the chord itself or create 
>> a new one in the Chord Definition window, with different size fonts and 
>> positioning. Now, I have this custom library of chords, created over the 
>> years, which I like, but the fonts are kind of small for some players to 
>> read at a distance, so I want to increase the whole library for the new 
>> parts I write in the future. I hate to think I will need to edit the chords 
>> one by one. With Data Check->Change Fonts I run into the same problem. The 
>> fonts increase in size, but not the spacing.
>> Harold
>>
>> On 23/01/2016, at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>
>>> No, and this is a HUGE hairy lack in the program right now. Please write 
>>> tech support and complain about this. It is supposed to be something that 
>>> computers do easily, yet there is no way to do it ever since chords started 
>>> attaching to measures instead of items. In the past, you could attach a 
>>> chord to a hidden item in another layer and resize the item, causing the 
>>> chord to resize as well, but that functionality was removed.
>>>
>>> The only kludge I know of is to have another staff with everything hidden 
>>> except chords, and resize the staff. You would include the special staff in 
>>> the part where you needed it. Obviously, if you have several instruments 
>>> needing resized chords, you would need a different extra staff for EVERY 
>>> instrument, unless everything you put in the piano you also put in the 
>>> guitar and bass part, and of course don’t forget instruments that need 
>>> changes for improvisation. Urg.
>>>
>>> Jari Williamsson said he was working on an edit to his Change plugin to 
>>> allow kerning to be preserved for chord suffixes, which would be great, 
>>> except there would STLL be no easy way to resize just a couple of chords.
>>>
>>> Christopher
>>>
>>>
 On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:

 Is there a plugin, or any other way, to add space among chord symbol 
 suffix items globally and proportionally, when increasing chord symbols 
 size through menu Utilities->Change->Chords? These items will collide when 
 increased by a large percentage, so the idea is that the space among these 
 items increase by the same percentage.
 Harold
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Re: [Finale] chord symbol items

[Barbara Touburg]

On 24-1-2016 23:49, Jan Angermüller wrote:
> I am working on a chord changer plug-in for Finale which allows
> switching the font size including correct scaling of the offsets (see
> demo athttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpJa6Lf4HZA  ) as well as
> changing between different chord fonts. Even symbol clusters as used in
> JazzCord, SwingCord or RealBook Chords are automatically detected and
> converted (see demo athttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jAEKsQ7gWY  )


Excellent!

The demo's are silent, though. Can you add sound to them?
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[Finale] chord symbol items

[Haroldo Mauro]

Is there a plugin, or any other way, to add space among chord symbol suffix 
items globally and proportionally, when increasing chord symbols size through 
menu Utilities->Change->Chords? These items will collide when increased by a 
large percentage, so the idea is that the space among these items increase by 
the same percentage.
Harold
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Re: [Finale] chord symbol items

[Christopher Smith]

No, and this is a HUGE hairy lack in the program right now. Please write tech 
support and complain about this. It is supposed to be something that computers 
do easily, yet there is no way to do it ever since chords started attaching to 
measures instead of items. In the past, you could attach a chord to a hidden 
item in another layer and resize the item, causing the chord to resize as well, 
but that functionality was removed.

The only kludge I know of is to have another staff with everything hidden 
except chords, and resize the staff. You would include the special staff in the 
part where you needed it. Obviously, if you have several instruments needing 
resized chords, you would need a different extra staff for EVERY instrument, 
unless everything you put in the piano you also put in the guitar and bass 
part, and of course don’t forget instruments that need changes for 
improvisation. Urg.

Jari Williamsson said he was working on an edit to his Change plugin to allow 
kerning to be preserved for chord suffixes, which would be great, except there 
would STLL be no easy way to resize just a couple of chords.

Christopher


> On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> 
> Is there a plugin, or any other way, to add space among chord symbol suffix 
> items globally and proportionally, when increasing chord symbols size through 
> menu Utilities->Change->Chords? These items will collide when increased by a 
> large percentage, so the idea is that the space among these items increase by 
> the same percentage.
> Harold
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Re: [Finale] chord symbol items

[Christopher Smith]

Yup, different libraries is the way to go. My first one took me a week, my 
second took me most of the day. Huge pain. Plus, there is a long-standing bug 
where if you import a Jazz library into a Maestro document, the parentheses end 
up being Maestro instead of Jazz, which have a different baseline so that they 
are too low. Good luck.

Oh, and there is STILL no way to get just a few chords into a different size. 
You can have different SUFFIXES, but for the name of the chord (like Eb in an 
Ebmaj7 chord) it is fixed for the entire document. Sometimes I have very dense 
measures that I would like to compress a bit, but easy way to do it.

Christopher


> On Jan 23, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for replying. I agree it is a huge lack. I will mention it to tech 
> support. The plugin would be a solution for me, since what I usually need is 
> to resize changes for the whole document/instruments. To resize one or two 
> chords once in a while would be easy just to edit the chord itself or create 
> a new one in the Chord Definition window, with different size fonts and 
> positioning. Now, I have this custom library of chords, created over the 
> years, which I like, but the fonts are kind of small for some players to read 
> at a distance, so I want to increase the whole library for the new parts I 
> write in the future. I hate to think I will need to edit the chords one by 
> one. With Data Check->Change Fonts I run into the same problem. The fonts 
> increase in size, but not the spacing.
> Harold
> 
> On 23/01/2016, at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote:
> 
>> No, and this is a HUGE hairy lack in the program right now. Please write 
>> tech support and complain about this. It is supposed to be something that 
>> computers do easily, yet there is no way to do it ever since chords started 
>> attaching to measures instead of items. In the past, you could attach a 
>> chord to a hidden item in another layer and resize the item, causing the 
>> chord to resize as well, but that functionality was removed.
>> 
>> The only kludge I know of is to have another staff with everything hidden 
>> except chords, and resize the staff. You would include the special staff in 
>> the part where you needed it. Obviously, if you have several instruments 
>> needing resized chords, you would need a different extra staff for EVERY 
>> instrument, unless everything you put in the piano you also put in the 
>> guitar and bass part, and of course don’t forget instruments that need 
>> changes for improvisation. Urg.
>> 
>> Jari Williamsson said he was working on an edit to his Change plugin to 
>> allow kerning to be preserved for chord suffixes, which would be great, 
>> except there would STLL be no easy way to resize just a couple of chords.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there a plugin, or any other way, to add space among chord symbol suffix 
>>> items globally and proportionally, when increasing chord symbols size 
>>> through menu Utilities->Change->Chords? These items will collide when 
>>> increased by a large percentage, so the idea is that the space among these 
>>> items increase by the same percentage.
>>> Harold
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Re: [Finale] chord symbol items

[Haroldo Mauro]

Of course! You're right about chord letters being unchangeable.


On 23/01/2016, at 16:19, Christopher Smith wrote:

> Yup, different libraries is the way to go. My first one took me a week, my 
> second took me most of the day. Huge pain. Plus, there is a long-standing bug 
> where if you import a Jazz library into a Maestro document, the parentheses 
> end up being Maestro instead of Jazz, which have a different baseline so that 
> they are too low. Good luck.
> 
> Oh, and there is STILL no way to get just a few chords into a different size. 
> You can have different SUFFIXES, but for the name of the chord (like Eb in an 
> Ebmaj7 chord) it is fixed for the entire document. Sometimes I have very 
> dense measures that I would like to compress a bit, but easy way to do it.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for replying. I agree it is a huge lack. I will mention it to tech 
>> support. The plugin would be a solution for me, since what I usually need is 
>> to resize changes for the whole document/instruments. To resize one or two 
>> chords once in a while would be easy just to edit the chord itself or create 
>> a new one in the Chord Definition window, with different size fonts and 
>> positioning. Now, I have this custom library of chords, created over the 
>> years, which I like, but the fonts are kind of small for some players to 
>> read at a distance, so I want to increase the whole library for the new 
>> parts I write in the future. I hate to think I will need to edit the chords 
>> one by one. With Data Check->Change Fonts I run into the same problem. The 
>> fonts increase in size, but not the spacing.
>> Harold
>> 
>> On 23/01/2016, at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> No, and this is a HUGE hairy lack in the program right now. Please write 
>>> tech support and complain about this. It is supposed to be something that 
>>> computers do easily, yet there is no way to do it ever since chords started 
>>> attaching to measures instead of items. In the past, you could attach a 
>>> chord to a hidden item in another layer and resize the item, causing the 
>>> chord to resize as well, but that functionality was removed.
>>> 
>>> The only kludge I know of is to have another staff with everything hidden 
>>> except chords, and resize the staff. You would include the special staff in 
>>> the part where you needed it. Obviously, if you have several instruments 
>>> needing resized chords, you would need a different extra staff for EVERY 
>>> instrument, unless everything you put in the piano you also put in the 
>>> guitar and bass part, and of course don’t forget instruments that need 
>>> changes for improvisation. Urg.
>>> 
>>> Jari Williamsson said he was working on an edit to his Change plugin to 
>>> allow kerning to be preserved for chord suffixes, which would be great, 
>>> except there would STLL be no easy way to resize just a couple of chords.
>>> 
>>> Christopher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
 
 Is there a plugin, or any other way, to add space among chord symbol 
 suffix items globally and proportionally, when increasing chord symbols 
 size through menu Utilities->Change->Chords? These items will collide when 
 increased by a large percentage, so the idea is that the space among these 
 items increase by the same percentage.
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Re: [Finale] chord symbol items

[Haroldo Mauro]

Thanks for replying. I agree it is a huge lack. I will mention it to tech 
support. The plugin would be a solution for me, since what I usually need is to 
resize changes for the whole document/instruments. To resize one or two chords 
once in a while would be easy just to edit the chord itself or create a new one 
in the Chord Definition window, with different size fonts and positioning. Now, 
I have this custom library of chords, created over the years, which I like, but 
the fonts are kind of small for some players to read at a distance, so I want 
to increase the whole library for the new parts I write in the future. I hate 
to think I will need to edit the chords one by one. With Data Check->Change 
Fonts I run into the same problem. The fonts increase in size, but not the 
spacing.
Harold

On 23/01/2016, at 15:29, Christopher Smith wrote:

> No, and this is a HUGE hairy lack in the program right now. Please write tech 
> support and complain about this. It is supposed to be something that 
> computers do easily, yet there is no way to do it ever since chords started 
> attaching to measures instead of items. In the past, you could attach a chord 
> to a hidden item in another layer and resize the item, causing the chord to 
> resize as well, but that functionality was removed.
> 
> The only kludge I know of is to have another staff with everything hidden 
> except chords, and resize the staff. You would include the special staff in 
> the part where you needed it. Obviously, if you have several instruments 
> needing resized chords, you would need a different extra staff for EVERY 
> instrument, unless everything you put in the piano you also put in the guitar 
> and bass part, and of course don’t forget instruments that need changes for 
> improvisation. Urg.
> 
> Jari Williamsson said he was working on an edit to his Change plugin to allow 
> kerning to be preserved for chord suffixes, which would be great, except 
> there would STLL be no easy way to resize just a couple of chords.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a plugin, or any other way, to add space among chord symbol suffix 
>> items globally and proportionally, when increasing chord symbols size 
>> through menu Utilities->Change->Chords? These items will collide when 
>> increased by a large percentage, so the idea is that the space among these 
>> items increase by the same percentage.
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol question

[Craig Parmerlee]

I use chord symbols on almost every project I do, and Finale drives me 
nuts every time.  For me, the spacing is the least of my problems 
(although I agree spacing is not great).  To me, it is a lot more 
basic.  Every chord I want to enter, Finale doesn't seem to recognize, 
and it doesn't seem to follow any common nomenclature system consistently.

I suppose after all these years, I should have dug into it and crated my 
own library, but I haven't.  How is it that if you use a program like 
Band-in-a-box, it knows what I mean in about 95% of the cases, but 
Finale doesn't seem to recognize the most basic suffixes?

Is this solvable by developing a better library or are the problems 
endemic in the software instead?  If it is a library issue, maybe a 
group can collaborate to develop a library that actually works.


On 5/15/2014 5:26 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
 Once you get a nice library set up (with that tiny little un-resizeable edit 
 window where the nudge buttons don't work!) it is pretty painless. I have 
 many, many issues with the chord tool, though.

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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol question

[Christopher Smith]

Part of the problem is that there ISN'T a standardised way of writing chord 
symbols. For instance, CM7, depending on where you live, could mean major or 
minor 7, while C+7 could mean dom7(#5) or major 7. While Finale DOES have a 
couple of more-or-less consistent libraries included in some common systems, 
there are many missing symbols and some common systems are entirely missing. 
Band In A Box doesn't have to worry about fonts, kerning, or positioning, so 
its job is a little easier, but that doesn't excuse Finale for not being able 
to do this better. After the Shape Designer, chords are the worst aspect of 
Finale right now.

I would say that creating your own library and loading it into your default 
document is the only way to go. Delete the ones that are there first, though.

BTW, there are problems with certain libraries when loaded into documents with 
different default music fonts. When you load the Arial library into a Jazz 
document, all the parentheses change to Jazz, which have different baselines 
than Arial so they are not only in the wrong font, they are also the wrong 
vertical position. The same problem occurs when you load a JazzCord library 
into a Maestro document, in reverse. You can edit them manually, but this is a 
huge job I would rather not do every time I load a frickin' chord library. I 
edited them once in my default document, and leave it alone now.

Christopher


On Sat May 17, at SaturdayMay 17 7:12 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

 I use chord symbols on almost every project I do, and Finale drives me 
 nuts every time.  For me, the spacing is the least of my problems 
 (although I agree spacing is not great).  To me, it is a lot more 
 basic.  Every chord I want to enter, Finale doesn't seem to recognize, 
 and it doesn't seem to follow any common nomenclature system consistently.
 
 I suppose after all these years, I should have dug into it and crated my 
 own library, but I haven't.  How is it that if you use a program like 
 Band-in-a-box, it knows what I mean in about 95% of the cases, but 
 Finale doesn't seem to recognize the most basic suffixes?
 
 Is this solvable by developing a better library or are the problems 
 endemic in the software instead?  If it is a library issue, maybe a 
 group can collaborate to develop a library that actually works.
 
 
 On 5/15/2014 5:26 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
 Once you get a nice library set up (with that tiny little un-resizeable edit 
 window where the nudge buttons don't work!) it is pretty painless. I have 
 many, many issues with the chord tool, though.
 
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol question

[Chuck Israels]

What Christopher suggests is (pretty much as always), the best way I have found 
to do things.  It does require taking the time to create a suffix library, but 
once it's done - it's done.  I use Bill Duncan's chord symbol and chord suffix 
fonts and find them attractive and flexible enough, and slash chords are 
handled pretty well.  All my templates are pre-loaded with the necessary 
suffixes.  I avoid the jazz font and any other computer font that pretends to 
look handwritten.  The built in dichotomy of seeing something that pretends to 
have a personal touch reproduced identically with unerring computer precision 
is more than I can tolerate, and it always looks ugly to me.

I also agree with Christopher that this is a problem for a music program to 
handle because of inconsistencies in the way different folks choose to write 
chord symbol shorthand.  Bill Evans had a personal way of doing it that I read 
with ease when working with him - a system that no one else I know uses.  
Dominant 7ths were written normally.  Major 7ths had a horizontal slash through 
the 7, the way Europeans write a 7 in order to distinguish it from a 1, which 
they commonly write with such a long hook on top that it can be mistaken for a 
7.  Bill's method was perfectly efficient and made a symbol like Fm Maj7 far 
more compact and easily understood.  Accommodating all the quirky ways that 
people write chord symbols is a lot to ask of a notation program.

Chuck


On May 17, 2014, at 5:15 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca 
wrote:

 Part of the problem is that there ISN'T a standardised way of writing chord 
 symbols. For instance, CM7, depending on where you live, could mean major or 
 minor 7, while C+7 could mean dom7(#5) or major 7. While Finale DOES have a 
 couple of more-or-less consistent libraries included in some common systems, 
 there are many missing symbols and some common systems are entirely missing. 
 Band In A Box doesn't have to worry about fonts, kerning, or positioning, so 
 its job is a little easier, but that doesn't excuse Finale for not being able 
 to do this better. After the Shape Designer, chords are the worst aspect of 
 Finale right now.
 
 I would say that creating your own library and loading it into your default 
 document is the only way to go. Delete the ones that are there first, though.
 
 BTW, there are problems with certain libraries when loaded into documents 
 with different default music fonts. When you load the Arial library into a 
 Jazz document, all the parentheses change to Jazz, which have different 
 baselines than Arial so they are not only in the wrong font, they are also 
 the wrong vertical position. The same problem occurs when you load a JazzCord 
 library into a Maestro document, in reverse. You can edit them manually, but 
 this is a huge job I would rather not do every time I load a frickin' chord 
 library. I edited them once in my default document, and leave it alone now.
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Sat May 17, at SaturdayMay 17 7:12 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 
 I use chord symbols on almost every project I do, and Finale drives me 
 nuts every time.  For me, the spacing is the least of my problems 
 (although I agree spacing is not great).  To me, it is a lot more 
 basic.  Every chord I want to enter, Finale doesn't seem to recognize, 
 and it doesn't seem to follow any common nomenclature system consistently.
 
 I suppose after all these years, I should have dug into it and crated my 
 own library, but I haven't.  How is it that if you use a program like 
 Band-in-a-box, it knows what I mean in about 95% of the cases, but 
 Finale doesn't seem to recognize the most basic suffixes?
 
 Is this solvable by developing a better library or are the problems 
 endemic in the software instead?  If it is a library issue, maybe a 
 group can collaborate to develop a library that actually works.
 
 
 On 5/15/2014 5:26 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
 Once you get a nice library set up (with that tiny little un-resizeable 
 edit window where the nudge buttons don't work!) it is pretty painless. I 
 have many, many issues with the chord tool, though.
 
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[Finale] Chord symbol question

[John Roberts]

I'm finding that when I add a chord suffix to an altered chord, eg F#7, 
the suffix is too close to the # sign. It's fine with a plain chord 
letter name. Is there a way to add some space after the accidental? I 
suppose I could create a whole duplicate set of symbols with a little 
extra space before each one but this seems overkill.

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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol question

[Simon Troup]

Hi John

I've often suggested offsets for such scenarios but never, until you've
mentioned this, found anyone else who was bothered by Finale's lack of
precision in this respect. My suffix libraries include a duplicate set of
suffixes which start about 5 EVPU further to the right for those I use most
often. You'll probably find my posts about it in the Finale forums by
searching for Chord Suffix Kerning or similar. Then again, maybe this has
been updated, or there's a better way to do it, so I'm very interested to
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On 15 May 2014 15:56, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 I'm finding that when I add a chord suffix to an altered chord, eg F#7,
 the suffix is too close to the # sign. It's fine with a plain chord
 letter name. Is there a way to add some space after the accidental? I
 suppose I could create a whole duplicate set of symbols with a little
 extra space before each one but this seems overkill.

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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol question

[Christopher Smith]

I'm bugged by it. In fact the thing that bugs me most is that if you open up a 
bit of space to allow for the sharp, then a root WITHOUT an alteration seems to 
have too BIG of a gap.

I created a whole set of custom suffixes, but of course Finale being what it 
is, they took me a very long time and I'm still not happy with them, partly 
because of the gap problem.

Christopher


On Thu May 15, at ThursdayMay 15 11:02 AM, Simon Troup wrote:

 Hi John
 
 I've often suggested offsets for such scenarios but never, until you've
 mentioned this, found anyone else who was bothered by Finale's lack of
 precision in this respect. My suffix libraries include a duplicate set of
 suffixes which start about 5 EVPU further to the right for those I use most
 often. You'll probably find my posts about it in the Finale forums by
 searching for Chord Suffix Kerning or similar. Then again, maybe this has
 been updated, or there's a better way to do it, so I'm very interested to
 see what anyone else has to say about it.
 
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 On 15 May 2014 15:56, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
 I'm finding that when I add a chord suffix to an altered chord, eg F#7,
 the suffix is too close to the # sign. It's fine with a plain chord
 letter name. Is there a way to add some space after the accidental? I
 suppose I could create a whole duplicate set of symbols with a little
 extra space before each one but this seems overkill.


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol question

[Simon Troup]

I think all that's required is an Horizontal offset for chords with
alterations setting.


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On 15 May 2014 17:01, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.cawrote:

 I'm bugged by it. In fact the thing that bugs me most is that if you open
 up a bit of space to allow for the sharp, then a root WITHOUT an alteration
 seems to have too BIG of a gap.

 I created a whole set of custom suffixes, but of course Finale being what
 it is, they took me a very long time and I'm still not happy with them,
 partly because of the gap problem.

 Christopher


 On Thu May 15, at ThursdayMay 15 11:02 AM, Simon Troup wrote:

  Hi John
 
  I've often suggested offsets for such scenarios but never, until you've
  mentioned this, found anyone else who was bothered by Finale's lack of
  precision in this respect. My suffix libraries include a duplicate set of
  suffixes which start about 5 EVPU further to the right for those I use
 most
  often. You'll probably find my posts about it in the Finale forums by
  searching for Chord Suffix Kerning or similar. Then again, maybe this
 has
  been updated, or there's a better way to do it, so I'm very interested to
  see what anyone else has to say about it.
 
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  On 15 May 2014 15:56, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
  I'm finding that when I add a chord suffix to an altered chord, eg F#7,
  the suffix is too close to the # sign. It's fine with a plain chord
  letter name. Is there a way to add some space after the accidental? I
  suppose I could create a whole duplicate set of symbols with a little
  extra space before each one but this seems overkill.


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol question

[John Roberts]

Thank you both for the input. I've usually used lyrics for chord 
symbols, using one of the Metronome fonts which mixes music symbols with 
texts and has a nice set of superscript numbers, but I was getting a 
random bug in Fin2012 where lyrics would suddenly get out of sync with 
their corresponding music. 2014 crashes too much so I went back to 2012, 
and decided to try the chord tool more seriously. But I don't much like 
the results, or the effort/results ratio.
John


On 5/15/14, 12:22 PM, Simon Troup wrote:
 I think all that's required is an Horizontal offset for chords with
 alterations setting.


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 On 15 May 2014 17:01, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.cawrote:

 I'm bugged by it. In fact the thing that bugs me most is that if you open
 up a bit of space to allow for the sharp, then a root WITHOUT an alteration
 seems to have too BIG of a gap.

 I created a whole set of custom suffixes, but of course Finale being what
 it is, they took me a very long time and I'm still not happy with them,
 partly because of the gap problem.

 Christopher


 On Thu May 15, at ThursdayMay 15 11:02 AM, Simon Troup wrote:

 Hi John

 I've often suggested offsets for such scenarios but never, until you've
 mentioned this, found anyone else who was bothered by Finale's lack of
 precision in this respect. My suffix libraries include a duplicate set of
 suffixes which start about 5 EVPU further to the right for those I use
 most
 often. You'll probably find my posts about it in the Finale forums by
 searching for Chord Suffix Kerning or similar. Then again, maybe this
 has
 been updated, or there's a better way to do it, so I'm very interested to
 see what anyone else has to say about it.

 --

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 On 15 May 2014 15:56, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 I'm finding that when I add a chord suffix to an altered chord, eg F#7,
 the suffix is too close to the # sign. It's fine with a plain chord
 letter name. Is there a way to add some space after the accidental? I
 suppose I could create a whole duplicate set of symbols with a little
 extra space before each one but this seems overkill.


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol question

[Christopher Smith]

Once you get a nice library set up (with that tiny little un-resizeable edit 
window where the nudge buttons don't work!) it is pretty painless. I have many, 
many issues with the chord tool, though.

Christopher


On Thu May 15, at ThursdayMay 15 5:23 PM, John Roberts wrote:

 Thank you both for the input. I've usually used lyrics for chord 
 symbols, using one of the Metronome fonts which mixes music symbols with 
 texts and has a nice set of superscript numbers, but I was getting a 
 random bug in Fin2012 where lyrics would suddenly get out of sync with 
 their corresponding music. 2014 crashes too much so I went back to 2012, 
 and decided to try the chord tool more seriously. But I don't much like 
 the results, or the effort/results ratio.
 John
 
 
 On 5/15/14, 12:22 PM, Simon Troup wrote:
 I think all that's required is an Horizontal offset for chords with
 alterations setting.
 
 
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 On 15 May 2014 17:01, Christopher Smith 
 christopher.sm...@videotron.cawrote:
 
 I'm bugged by it. In fact the thing that bugs me most is that if you open
 up a bit of space to allow for the sharp, then a root WITHOUT an alteration
 seems to have too BIG of a gap.
 
 I created a whole set of custom suffixes, but of course Finale being what
 it is, they took me a very long time and I'm still not happy with them,
 partly because of the gap problem.
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Thu May 15, at ThursdayMay 15 11:02 AM, Simon Troup wrote:
 
 Hi John
 
 I've often suggested offsets for such scenarios but never, until you've
 mentioned this, found anyone else who was bothered by Finale's lack of
 precision in this respect. My suffix libraries include a duplicate set of
 suffixes which start about 5 EVPU further to the right for those I use
 most
 often. You'll probably find my posts about it in the Finale forums by
 searching for Chord Suffix Kerning or similar. Then again, maybe this
 has
 been updated, or there's a better way to do it, so I'm very interested to
 see what anyone else has to say about it.
 
 --
 
 Simon Troup | BA Hons (Mus)
 http://www.digitalmusicart.com
 
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 On 15 May 2014 15:56, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
 I'm finding that when I add a chord suffix to an altered chord, eg F#7,
 the suffix is too close to the # sign. It's fine with a plain chord
 letter name. Is there a way to add some space after the accidental? I
 suppose I could create a whole duplicate set of symbols with a little
 extra space before each one but this seems overkill.
 


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[Simon Troup]

Lol, Christopher, yes, the Window Of Shame.


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On 15 May 2014 22:26, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.cawrote:

 Once you get a nice library set up (with that tiny little un-resizeable
 edit window where the nudge buttons don't work!) it is pretty painless. I
 have many, many issues with the chord tool, though.

 Christopher


 On Thu May 15, at ThursdayMay 15 5:23 PM, John Roberts wrote:

  Thank you both for the input. I've usually used lyrics for chord
  symbols, using one of the Metronome fonts which mixes music symbols with
  texts and has a nice set of superscript numbers, but I was getting a
  random bug in Fin2012 where lyrics would suddenly get out of sync with
  their corresponding music. 2014 crashes too much so I went back to 2012,
  and decided to try the chord tool more seriously. But I don't much like
  the results, or the effort/results ratio.
  John
 
 
  On 5/15/14, 12:22 PM, Simon Troup wrote:
  I think all that's required is an Horizontal offset for chords with
  alterations setting.
 
 
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  On 15 May 2014 17:01, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca
 wrote:
 
  I'm bugged by it. In fact the thing that bugs me most is that if you
 open
  up a bit of space to allow for the sharp, then a root WITHOUT an
 alteration
  seems to have too BIG of a gap.
 
  I created a whole set of custom suffixes, but of course Finale being
 what
  it is, they took me a very long time and I'm still not happy with them,
  partly because of the gap problem.
 
  Christopher
 
 
  On Thu May 15, at ThursdayMay 15 11:02 AM, Simon Troup wrote:
 
  Hi John
 
  I've often suggested offsets for such scenarios but never, until
 you've
  mentioned this, found anyone else who was bothered by Finale's lack of
  precision in this respect. My suffix libraries include a duplicate
 set of
  suffixes which start about 5 EVPU further to the right for those I use
  most
  often. You'll probably find my posts about it in the Finale forums by
  searching for Chord Suffix Kerning or similar. Then again, maybe
 this
  has
  been updated, or there's a better way to do it, so I'm very
 interested to
  see what anyone else has to say about it.
 
  --
 
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  http://www.digitalmusicart.com
 
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  permission.*
 
 
  On 15 May 2014 15:56, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
  I'm finding that when I add a chord suffix to an altered chord, eg
 F#7,
  the suffix is too close to the # sign. It's fine with a plain chord
  letter name. Is there a way to add some space after the accidental? I
  suppose I could create a whole duplicate set of symbols with a little
  extra space before each one but this seems overkill.
 


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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Chuck Israels]

Michael,

List protocol forbids attachements to emails, so there needs to be another way 
to do this.  I'd think that Nick Carter would have something available on his 
NPC Imaging site, since he is selling the fonts.  Meanwhile, I will send a pdf 
to your email, and you are welcome to visit here in SE Portland, if there are 
other things you'd like to see.

Chuck


On May 30, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Michael Mathew wrote:

 Chuck,
 
 Greetings! Is it possible you could send the pdf to the group? I have wanted 
 to see the font in actual use and have some trouble coming up with the 
 necessary money to purchase. Actually seeing the fonts in action might help 
 me settle the matter!
 
 Thanks,
 Michael
 mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
 http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
 http://oregonmts.com/mathew/
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Michael Mathew]

Thanks, Chuck, 

they came through great and I like them as an alternative to the jazz font!

Michael
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 From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts
 
Michael,

List protocol forbids attachements to emails, so there needs to be another way 
to do this.  I'd think that Nick Carter would have something available on his 
NPC Imaging site, since he is selling the fonts.  Meanwhile, I will send a pdf 
to your email, and you are welcome to visit here in SE Portland, if there are 
other things you'd like to see.

Chuck


On May 30, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Michael Mathew wrote:

 Chuck,
 
 Greetings! Is it possible you could send the pdf to the group? I have wanted 
 to see the font in actual use and have some trouble coming up with the 
 necessary money to purchase. Actually seeing the fonts in action might help 
 me settle the matter!
 
 Thanks,
 Michael
 mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
 http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
 http://oregonmts.com/mathew/
 
 
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8831 SE 12th Ave.
Portland, OR 97202-7097

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[Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Steve Parker]

Hi all!

I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me in 
Finale... ;-)

Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?

I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly 'thick' 
house style (staff lines 0.01).

Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when handwriting but 
haven't got around to sorting this for use with Maestro. Any suggestions here?

Thanks!

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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Steve Parker]

Hi Chuck,

Thanks, I'll look at these. Do you use them with a generally handwritten look 
or with Maestro?
A PDF would be great!
Thanks!

Steve P. 

On 30 May 2012, at 15:09, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Steve,
 
 Look at Bill Duncan's chord fonts available from Nick Carter at NPC Imaging.
 
 If you want to see samples, I can send you a pdf.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
 
 Hi all!
 
 I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me in 
 Finale... ;-)
 
 Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?
 
 I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly 
 'thick' house style (staff lines 0.01).
 
 Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when handwriting 
 but haven't got around to sorting this for use with Maestro. Any suggestions 
 here?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Steve Parker
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Eric Dannewitz]

Bills stuff is all done with maestro, at least that was the intention.
His fonts look great with maestro. I use the chord , over sized time
signatures and articulations fonts in all my works

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On May 30, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:

 Hi Chuck,

 Thanks, I'll look at these. Do you use them with a generally handwritten look 
 or with Maestro?
 A PDF would be great!
 Thanks!

 Steve P.

 On 30 May 2012, at 15:09, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Steve,

 Look at Bill Duncan's chord fonts available from Nick Carter at NPC Imaging.

 If you want to see samples, I can send you a pdf.

 Chuck


 On May 30, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Steve Parker wrote:

 Hi all!

 I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me in 
 Finale... ;-)

 Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?

 I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly 
 'thick' house style (staff lines 0.01).

 Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when handwriting 
 but haven't got around to sorting this for use with Maestro. Any 
 suggestions here?

 Thanks!

 Steve Parker
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Chuck Israels]

Yes, it is designed to look good with Maestro (though I imagine it would work 
well with other roughly similar fonts).  Bill created the articulation font 
symbols to include things like jazz falloffs that would look appropriate with 
Maestro.  He spent the better part of a day in our home (when we were living in 
Bellingham) visiting with Greg Hamilton (top notch Vancouver music prep guy, 
friend and former student) and me exploring what we thought we might need and 
then went home and created it. I had been using Jazz font falloffs etc. with 
Maestro notation - resulting in a clunky looking combination, told Bill about 
it, and he volunteered to help.   When morose moods threaten to overcome me, I 
try to remember some of the extraordinary lucky things that have happened - 
like Greg's friendship and Bill's extraordinary custom efforts on our behalf. 
 Those things don't pay bills, but you can take them to your life bank.

Chuck


On May 30, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

 Bills stuff is all done with maestro, at least that was the intention.
 His fonts look great with maestro. I use the chord , over sized time
 signatures and articulations fonts in all my works
 
 Sent from my iSomething
 --
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi Chuck,
 
 Thanks, I'll look at these. Do you use them with a generally handwritten 
 look or with Maestro?
 A PDF would be great!
 Thanks!
 
 Steve P.
 
 On 30 May 2012, at 15:09, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Steve,
 
 Look at Bill Duncan's chord fonts available from Nick Carter at NPC Imaging.
 
 If you want to see samples, I can send you a pdf.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
 
 Hi all!
 
 I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me in 
 Finale... ;-)
 
 Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?
 
 I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly 
 'thick' house style (staff lines 0.01).
 
 Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when handwriting 
 but haven't got around to sorting this for use with Maestro. Any 
 suggestions here?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Steve Parker
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Steve Parker]

Thanks Eric and Chuck!
They look great - absolutely perfect answer to what I felt was lacking in my 
current copying.

Steve P. 

On 30 May 2012, at 21:06, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Yes, it is designed to look good with Maestro (though I imagine it would work 
 well with other roughly similar fonts).  Bill created the articulation font 
 symbols to include things like jazz falloffs that would look appropriate with 
 Maestro.  He spent the better part of a day in our home (when we were living 
 in Bellingham) visiting with Greg Hamilton (top notch Vancouver music prep 
 guy, friend and former student) and me exploring what we thought we might 
 need and then went home and created it. I had been using Jazz font falloffs 
 etc. with Maestro notation - resulting in a clunky looking combination, told 
 Bill about it, and he volunteered to help.   When morose moods threaten to 
 overcome me, I try to remember some of the extraordinary lucky things that 
 have happened - like Greg's friendship and Bill's extraordinary custom 
 efforts on our behalf.  Those things don't pay bills, but you can take them 
 to your life bank.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 
 Bills stuff is all done with maestro, at least that was the intention.
 His fonts look great with maestro. I use the chord , over sized time
 signatures and articulations fonts in all my works
 
 Sent from my iSomething
 --
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi Chuck,
 
 Thanks, I'll look at these. Do you use them with a generally handwritten 
 look or with Maestro?
 A PDF would be great!
 Thanks!
 
 Steve P.
 
 On 30 May 2012, at 15:09, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Steve,
 
 Look at Bill Duncan's chord fonts available from Nick Carter at NPC 
 Imaging.
 
 If you want to see samples, I can send you a pdf.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
 
 Hi all!
 
 I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me in 
 Finale... ;-)
 
 Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?
 
 I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly 
 'thick' house style (staff lines 0.01).
 
 Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when handwriting 
 but haven't got around to sorting this for use with Maestro. Any 
 suggestions here?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Steve Parker
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Chuck Israels]

Excellent.  Nice to be able to be of help.

Chuck


On May 30, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Steve Parker wrote:

 Thanks Eric and Chuck!
 They look great - absolutely perfect answer to what I felt was lacking in my 
 current copying.
 
 Steve P. 
 
 On 30 May 2012, at 21:06, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Yes, it is designed to look good with Maestro (though I imagine it would 
 work well with other roughly similar fonts).  Bill created the articulation 
 font symbols to include things like jazz falloffs that would look 
 appropriate with Maestro.  He spent the better part of a day in our home 
 (when we were living in Bellingham) visiting with Greg Hamilton (top notch 
 Vancouver music prep guy, friend and former student) and me exploring what 
 we thought we might need and then went home and created it. I had been using 
 Jazz font falloffs etc. with Maestro notation - resulting in a clunky 
 looking combination, told Bill about it, and he volunteered to help.   When 
 morose moods threaten to overcome me, I try to remember some of the 
 extraordinary lucky things that have happened - like Greg's friendship and 
 Bill's extraordinary custom efforts on our behalf.  Those things don't pay 
 bills, but you can take them to your life bank.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 
 Bills stuff is all done with maestro, at least that was the intention.
 His fonts look great with maestro. I use the chord , over sized time
 signatures and articulations fonts in all my works
 
 Sent from my iSomething
 --
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi Chuck,
 
 Thanks, I'll look at these. Do you use them with a generally handwritten 
 look or with Maestro?
 A PDF would be great!
 Thanks!
 
 Steve P.
 
 On 30 May 2012, at 15:09, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Steve,
 
 Look at Bill Duncan's chord fonts available from Nick Carter at NPC 
 Imaging.
 
 If you want to see samples, I can send you a pdf.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
 
 Hi all!
 
 I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me in 
 Finale... ;-)
 
 Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?
 
 I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly 
 'thick' house style (staff lines 0.01).
 
 Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when 
 handwriting but haven't got around to sorting this for use with Maestro. 
 Any suggestions here?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Steve Parker
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Eric Dannewitz]

Bobs stuff is really great.

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On May 30, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Excellent.  Nice to be able to be of help.

 Chuck


 On May 30, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Steve Parker wrote:

 Thanks Eric and Chuck!
 They look great - absolutely perfect answer to what I felt was lacking in my 
 current copying.

 Steve P.

 On 30 May 2012, at 21:06, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Yes, it is designed to look good with Maestro (though I imagine it would 
 work well with other roughly similar fonts).  Bill created the articulation 
 font symbols to include things like jazz falloffs that would look 
 appropriate with Maestro.  He spent the better part of a day in our home 
 (when we were living in Bellingham) visiting with Greg Hamilton (top notch 
 Vancouver music prep guy, friend and former student) and me exploring what 
 we thought we might need and then went home and created it. I had been 
 using Jazz font falloffs etc. with Maestro notation - resulting in a clunky 
 looking combination, told Bill about it, and he volunteered to help.   When 
 morose moods threaten to overcome me, I try to remember some of the 
 extraordinary lucky things that have happened - like Greg's friendship and 
 Bill's extraordinary custom efforts on our behalf.  Those things don't 
 pay bills, but you can take them to your life bank.

 Chuck


 On May 30, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

 Bills stuff is all done with maestro, at least that was the intention.
 His fonts look great with maestro. I use the chord , over sized time
 signatures and articulations fonts in all my works

 Sent from my iSomething
 --

 On May 30, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:

 Hi Chuck,

 Thanks, I'll look at these. Do you use them with a generally handwritten 
 look or with Maestro?
 A PDF would be great!
 Thanks!

 Steve P.

 On 30 May 2012, at 15:09, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Steve,

 Look at Bill Duncan's chord fonts available from Nick Carter at NPC 
 Imaging.

 If you want to see samples, I can send you a pdf.

 Chuck


 On May 30, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Steve Parker wrote:

 Hi all!

 I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me in 
 Finale... ;-)

 Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?

 I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly 
 'thick' house style (staff lines 0.01).

 Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when 
 handwriting but haven't got around to sorting this for use with 
 Maestro. Any suggestions here?

 Thanks!

 Steve Parker
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[Michael Mathew]

Chuck,

Greetings! Is it possible you could send the pdf to the group? I have wanted to 
see the font in actual use and have some trouble coming up with the necessary 
money to purchase. Actually seeing the fonts in action might help me settle the 
matter!

Thanks,
Michael
mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
http://oregonmts.com/mathew/



 From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts
 
Excellent.  Nice to be able to be of help.

Chuck


On May 30, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Steve Parker wrote:

 Thanks Eric and Chuck!
 They look great - absolutely perfect answer to what I felt was lacking in my 
 current copying.
 
 Steve P. 
 
 On 30 May 2012, at 21:06, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Yes, it is designed to look good with Maestro (though I imagine it would 
 work well with other roughly similar fonts).  Bill created the articulation 
 font symbols to include things like jazz falloffs that would look 
 appropriate with Maestro.  He spent the better part of a day in our home 
 (when we were living in Bellingham) visiting with Greg Hamilton (top notch 
 Vancouver music prep guy, friend and former student) and me exploring what 
 we thought we might need and then went home and created it. I had been 
 using Jazz font falloffs etc. with Maestro notation - resulting in a clunky 
 looking combination, told Bill about it, and he volunteered to help.   When 
 morose moods threaten to overcome me, I try to remember some of the 
 extraordinary lucky things that have happened - like Greg's friendship and 
 Bill's extraordinary custom efforts on our behalf.  Those things don't 
 pay bills, but you can take them to your life bank.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 
 Bills stuff is all done with maestro, at least that was the intention.
 His fonts look great with maestro. I use the chord , over sized time
 signatures and articulations fonts in all my works
 
 Sent from my iSomething
 --
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi Chuck,
 
 Thanks, I'll look at these. Do you use them with a generally handwritten 
 look or with Maestro?
 A PDF would be great!
 Thanks!
 
 Steve P.
 
 On 30 May 2012, at 15:09, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Steve,
 
 Look at Bill Duncan's chord fonts available from Nick Carter at NPC 
 Imaging.
 
 If you want to see samples, I can send you a pdf.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On May 30, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
 
 Hi all!
 
 I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me in 
 Finale... ;-)
 
 Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?
 
 I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly 
 'thick' house style (staff lines 0.01).
 
 Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when 
 handwriting but haven't got around to sorting this for use with 
 Maestro. Any suggestions here?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Steve Parker
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts

[dershem]

On 5/30/2012 4:05 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
 Hi all!

 I'm having another bout of trying to sort everything that niggles me
 in Finale... ;-)

 Any suggestions for chord symbol fonts/settings?

 I'm looking for something clear to use with Maestro but with a fairly
 'thick' house style (staff lines 0.01).

 Also, I always use the triangle for a generic maj7 chord when
 handwriting but haven't got around to sorting this for use with
 Maestro. Any suggestions here?

 Thanks!

 Steve Parker

I have long been using Technical Italic Bold 18 for chords (18 for the 
Base, 16 for the alterations, but for complex ones I use 14 - like 
Eb-7(#9b5) or it gets too big and makes the page look crowded).  It 
works for me.

Gotta get some images of that posted somewhere...

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[Finale] Chord symbol library woes

[Mike Casteel]

I just arrived at my hotel for an out of town gig and was doing some last 
minute tweaking on a couple of charts this morning. I opened my files and the 
chord symbol suffixes were gibberish! The fonts are right (Bill Duncan ChordSym 
and ChordSuf) but the library is whacked.

I'm working on a new MacBook Pro and I know that I have missed something in the 
porting over of fonts, FAN files or something. Any ideas? It seems to have more 
to do with the library than anything else. I have opened other files and the 
same thing happens in all of them.

Many thanks!
Mike

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[Finale] Chord symbol New Year

[JClevESM]

Greetings listers! I wanted to put out the word that our chord symbol fonts 
 are available at discounted prices for the New Year: ChordSymbol 2 for 
$50;  JazzSymbol 1 for $35; and both fonts for $75; with discounted site 
licenses  also available.
 
Because these fonts are available in both Unicode and TrueType formats,  
they give you all the chord symbols you'll ever need in any application, 
whether  Unicode-savvy or not. This means they save almost as much time and 
trouble in  Finale as they do in Sibelius.
 
Thanks much, and happy New Year,

Dr. John R. Clevenger,  Manager
The Virtual Conservatory
50 S. Patterson Ave., #203
Santa  Barbara, CA 93111
Phone and fax: (805) 964-7988 (for fax, ignore answering  machine)
Email: _jclev...@aol.com_ (mailto:jclev...@aol.com) 
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Re: [Finale] chord symbol extensions

[dhbailey]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi---I'll try reposting this query.
 
I'm writing guitar parts for jazz band and am having trouble writing a  chord 
such as D7(#5b9). When writing it the flat b always becomes a small B. 
 
I don't want to write it -9.
 
I am using Finale 2007 and Windows XP Pro.




Have you tried using ctrl-shift-f?  That allows you to place the flat 
sign in all other Finale text locations?


(I did reply with this suggestion to your first posting of this query 
and don't recall if you tried it and replied back that it didn't work.)


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[Finale] chord symbol extensions

[Britrpt]

Hi---I'll try reposting this query.
 
I'm writing guitar parts for jazz band and am having trouble writing a  chord 
such as D7(#5b9). When writing it the flat b always becomes a small B. 
 
I don't want to write it -9.
 
I am using Finale 2007 and Windows XP Pro.



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Re: [Finale] chord symbol extensions

[Christopher Smith]

On 20-Nov-07, at 5:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi---I'll try reposting this query.

I'm writing guitar parts for jazz band and am having trouble  
writing a  chord
such as D7(#5b9). When writing it the flat b always becomes a  
small B.


I don't want to write it -9.

I am using Finale 2007 and Windows XP Pro.


This was answered by Hiro.

You have to edit the suffix so that the b9 is not 'b' and '9' in two  
separate characters, but only one, '9' and check the box that says  
number and precede with... and check the flat box.


Hiro sometimes wonders if everyone gets his messages. This makes me  
wonder too.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[George Ports]

Thanks Eric. I'll try that.
George
- Original Message - 
From: Eric Dannewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts


Easy way to do this would be to save your Chords in a Library file, load 
them into your Jazz Font Default file. When you start a new project, 
you'll have all your custom chords in there.


You can also use the library in existing documents. Load the old 
document, load the chords, go to the chord too, click some where, go to 
advanced, down where suffix is go to select, then start deleting the 
ones you want to replace, and Finale will prompt you to select a 
replacement, and you can select your new chord symbol there, and it will 
replace all symbols in the document with the new symbol.


I did this a lot when I purchased Bill Duncan's Productivity package, 
and decided to use his excellent chords in place of the hodge podge 
assortment I was using.


George Ports wrote:

Christopher
   Thanks so much for your outstanding help with my Chord Suffix 
problem. GAWD!!! What a procedure it is to solve something that you'd 
think would be right to begin with unless it's supposed to be that way 
and is up to me to change to what I want. Your method was successful 
for me. Am wondering if this will fix it with the program (finale) 
overall or just the one document that was edited.

   Anyway...Thanks again.
George


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Eric Dannewitz]

Very true. I got asked last night about the rehearsal font on a chart I 
brought in. I was like umwellit's complicated, I'll let you 
know about the status.


Which is what by the way? Nick and Vince arewhom?

It would be absolutely great to see MakeMusic buy up Bill's stuff and 
include it in future versions of Finalebut perhaps that is a pipe 
dream.


Chuck Israels wrote:
Indeed, this has been a bugaboo for years, and only constant carping 
and complaining will get MM's attention.


The available defense for advanced jazz chord symbol users is to spend 
time (a lot of time, unfortunately) creating the chord suffixes you 
like, saving them as a library and then loading them into new 
documents with empty chord libraries.


I don't know the status of the Bill Duncan material, but those of us 
who were lucky enough to have bought his chord font are ahead of the 
game in this department.  I hope that Nick and Vince are still 
pursuing Bill's sister for distribution access to the material.  Until 
then, much as we'd like to make it generally available, there are 
legal and ethical obstacles to doing so.


Of course, you still have to go through Finale's chord suffix editor 
to change anything you don't like in Bill's suffixes but, for me, the 
need to do that is rare.


Chuck



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[Leigh Daniels]

I'd rather see non-MM ownership of Bill's stuff. Ideally, it would be
someone like Bill who is a professional copyist who would use the stuff,
improve the stuff and be available to customers in the way that Bill was.

But if it comes down to MM or no one, I'll take MM.

**Leigh

On Fri, Apr 6, 2007, Eric Dannewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It would be absolutely great to see MakeMusic buy up Bill's stuff and 
include it in future versions of Finalebut perhaps that is a pipe 
dream.


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RE: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Richard Willis]

I sure like the idea of MakeMusic including Bill's stuff.  Better in the
long run for the family, I would think. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Eric Dannewitz
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:29 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

Very true. I got asked last night about the rehearsal font on a chart I
brought in. I was like umwellit's complicated, I'll let you know
about the status.

Which is what by the way? Nick and Vince arewhom?

It would be absolutely great to see MakeMusic buy up Bill's stuff and
include it in future versions of Finalebut perhaps that is a pipe
dream.

Chuck Israels wrote:
 Indeed, this has been a bugaboo for years, and only constant carping 
 and complaining will get MM's attention.

 The available defense for advanced jazz chord symbol users is to spend 
 time (a lot of time, unfortunately) creating the chord suffixes you 
 like, saving them as a library and then loading them into new 
 documents with empty chord libraries.

 I don't know the status of the Bill Duncan material, but those of us 
 who were lucky enough to have bought his chord font are ahead of the 
 game in this department.  I hope that Nick and Vince are still 
 pursuing Bill's sister for distribution access to the material.  Until 
 then, much as we'd like to make it generally available, there are 
 legal and ethical obstacles to doing so.

 Of course, you still have to go through Finale's chord suffix editor 
 to change anything you don't like in Bill's suffixes but, for me, the 
 need to do that is rare.

 Chuck


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Chuck Israels]

On Apr 6, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Very true. I got asked last night about the rehearsal font on a  
chart I brought in. I was like umwellit's complicated,  
I'll let you know about the status.


Which is what by the way? Nick and Vince arewhom?


Nick Carter and Vince Leonard, both of whom contacted me for help in  
communicating with Bill's sister, in order to secure rights to the  
material.  I have met Vince (He is the coauthor of a good book on  
mastering Finale - now several years old but still useful.) and had  
email communication with Nick (NC publications or something like that  
- forget exactly, but he sells a bunch of related stuff and seems  
like a another good person to do this.) but, up until now, neither of  
them has made any headway.


Chuck






It would be absolutely great to see MakeMusic buy up Bill's stuff  
and include it in future versions of Finalebut perhaps that is  
a pipe dream.


Chuck Israels wrote:
Indeed, this has been a bugaboo for years, and only constant  
carping and complaining will get MM's attention.


The available defense for advanced jazz chord symbol users is to  
spend time (a lot of time, unfortunately) creating the chord  
suffixes you like, saving them as a library and then loading them  
into new documents with empty chord libraries.


I don't know the status of the Bill Duncan material, but those of  
us who were lucky enough to have bought his chord font are ahead  
of the game in this department.  I hope that Nick and Vince are  
still pursuing Bill's sister for distribution access to the  
material.  Until then, much as we'd like to make it generally  
available, there are legal and ethical obstacles to doing so.


Of course, you still have to go through Finale's chord suffix  
editor to change anything you don't like in Bill's suffixes but,  
for me, the need to do that is rare.


Chuck



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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[George Ports]

Christopher
   Thanks so much for your outstanding help with my Chord Suffix problem. 
GAWD!!! What a procedure it is to solve something that you'd think would be 
right to begin with unless it's supposed to be that way and is up to me to 
change to what I want. Your method was successful for me. Am wondering if 
this will fix it with the program (finale) overall or just the one document 
that was edited.

   Anyway...Thanks again.
George
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts




On 5-Apr-07, at 9:56 AM, George Ports wrote:

How can I set the suffix fonts in chord symbols to show a flat to  look 
like b  instead of b? Is there an easy way to do the same when 
describing a note such as: this note is a b5?

I'm using Times new roman for the text (in general).

Is there a way to change all that I've done so farglobally?


Suffixes (suffices?) are created individually (though all instances  of 
say, m7(b5) will probably be the same suffix) so you have to edit  the 
suffixes in the Chord Suffix editor.


Chord Tool
Chord MenuManual Input, double click on a chord symbol's handle.
Click Show Advanced, then down under Definition click Suffix - Edit.
Each character is edited individually, so step through by hitting  Next 
until you get to the b. Change it to 5, hit Number and Prefix  with Flat.

Hit Next again and change the 5 to the right parenthesis.
Hit Next again and delete the former right parenthesis. Strangely,  you 
can't delete the b and then edit the 5 to include the flat, as  once you 
delete a character strange things happen to the next  characters.
Alter the positioning as you wish by dragging the tiny little handle  in 
the tiny little box, curse loudly, write an abusive email to  MakeMusic 
about how complex this whole procedure is, and OK your way  back to the 
score. All the m7(b5) chords in the score will now  contain the edit.

Repeat for the next suffix, including the cursing and emails.

Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Eric Dannewitz]

Easy way to do this would be to save your Chords in a Library file, load 
them into your Jazz Font Default file. When you start a new project, 
you'll have all your custom chords in there.


You can also use the library in existing documents. Load the old 
document, load the chords, go to the chord too, click some where, go to 
advanced, down where suffix is go to select, then start deleting the 
ones you want to replace, and Finale will prompt you to select a 
replacement, and you can select your new chord symbol there, and it will 
replace all symbols in the document with the new symbol.


I did this a lot when I purchased Bill Duncan's Productivity package, 
and decided to use his excellent chords in place of the hodge podge 
assortment I was using.


George Ports wrote:

Christopher
   Thanks so much for your outstanding help with my Chord Suffix 
problem. GAWD!!! What a procedure it is to solve something that you'd 
think would be right to begin with unless it's supposed to be that way 
and is up to me to change to what I want. Your method was successful 
for me. Am wondering if this will fix it with the program (finale) 
overall or just the one document that was edited.

   Anyway...Thanks again.
George


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[Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[George Ports]

How can I set the suffix fonts in chord symbols to show a flat to look like b  
instead of b? Is there an easy way to do the same when describing a note such 
as: this note is a b5?
I'm using Times new roman for the text (in general). 

Is there a way to change all that I've done so farglobally?
I'm using winfin 2006.
Thanks for any help,
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Christopher Smith]

On 5-Apr-07, at 9:56 AM, George Ports wrote:

How can I set the suffix fonts in chord symbols to show a flat to  
look like b  instead of b? Is there an easy way to do the same when  
describing a note such as: this note is a b5?

I'm using Times new roman for the text (in general).

Is there a way to change all that I've done so farglobally?


Suffixes (suffices?) are created individually (though all instances  
of say, m7(b5) will probably be the same suffix) so you have to edit  
the suffixes in the Chord Suffix editor.


Chord Tool
Chord MenuManual Input, double click on a chord symbol's handle.
Click Show Advanced, then down under Definition click Suffix - Edit.
Each character is edited individually, so step through by hitting  
Next until you get to the b. Change it to 5, hit Number and Prefix  
with Flat.

Hit Next again and change the 5 to the right parenthesis.
Hit Next again and delete the former right parenthesis. Strangely,  
you can't delete the b and then edit the 5 to include the flat, as  
once you delete a character strange things happen to the next  
characters.
Alter the positioning as you wish by dragging the tiny little handle  
in the tiny little box, curse loudly, write an abusive email to  
MakeMusic about how complex this whole procedure is, and OK your way  
back to the score. All the m7(b5) chords in the score will now  
contain the edit.

Repeat for the next suffix, including the cursing and emails.

Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Mike Greensill]

Why isn't there a direct link to the Chord Suffix editor?

Mike Greensill

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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Christopher Smith]

On 5-Apr-07, at 11:39 AM, Mike Greensill wrote:


Why isn't there a direct link to the Chord Suffix editor?


Just what I've been asking since about Finale 97. Especially when you  
get the message Could not find the suffix. Do you want to create  
it? and then you DON'T get the Chord Suffix selection dialogue box  
with the Delete, Edit, Create, etc. buttons where you could copy and  
edit an existing one. Also if you are typing into score and you hit F: 
0 to choose a suffix, but don't find it, the Edit, Delete, Copy,  
Create, etc. buttons are NOT present in that dialogue box, even  
though it has the same name as the dialogue box that DOES have those  
buttons!


The Chord Suffix Editor is a fussy, hard-to-use mess, and the only  
reason it hasn't been touched is that only advanced jazz musicians  
need anything other than the basic suffixes that are provided, and we  
are a minority.


I sent in a long (LONG!) list of complaints about this tool to the  
friendly folks at MakeMusic a couple of years ago, but haven't heard  
anything, nor seen anything different since then.


Please complain about this (as well as the horrifying bug where chord  
symbols don't transpose when Chromatic (no key signature)  
transposition is selected) in great detail, because this is the only  
way they will pay attention.


Christopher



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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Chuck Israels]

Indeed, this has been a bugaboo for years, and only constant carping  
and complaining will get MM's attention.


The available defense for advanced jazz chord symbol users is to  
spend time (a lot of time, unfortunately) creating the chord suffixes  
you like, saving them as a library and then loading them into new  
documents with empty chord libraries.


I don't know the status of the Bill Duncan material, but those of us  
who were lucky enough to have bought his chord font are ahead of the  
game in this department.  I hope that Nick and Vince are still  
pursuing Bill's sister for distribution access to the material.   
Until then, much as we'd like to make it generally available, there  
are legal and ethical obstacles to doing so.


Of course, you still have to go through Finale's chord suffix editor  
to change anything you don't like in Bill's suffixes but, for me, the  
need to do that is rare.


Chuck


On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:



On 5-Apr-07, at 11:39 AM, Mike Greensill wrote:


Why isn't there a direct link to the Chord Suffix editor?


Just what I've been asking since about Finale 97. Especially when  
you get the message Could not find the suffix. Do you want to  
create it? and then you DON'T get the Chord Suffix selection  
dialogue box with the Delete, Edit, Create, etc. buttons where you  
could copy and edit an existing one. Also if you are typing into  
score and you hit F:0 to choose a suffix, but don't find it, the  
Edit, Delete, Copy, Create, etc. buttons are NOT present in that  
dialogue box, even though it has the same name as the dialogue box  
that DOES have those buttons!


The Chord Suffix Editor is a fussy, hard-to-use mess, and the only  
reason it hasn't been touched is that only advanced jazz musicians  
need anything other than the basic suffixes that are provided, and  
we are a minority.


I sent in a long (LONG!) list of complaints about this tool to the  
friendly folks at MakeMusic a couple of years ago, but haven't  
heard anything, nor seen anything different since then.


Please complain about this (as well as the horrifying bug where  
chord symbols don't transpose when Chromatic (no key signature)  
transposition is selected) in great detail, because this is the  
only way they will pay attention.


Christopher



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[Finale] Chord Symbol Transposition

[Leigh Daniels]

Hello Group,

I just entered the chord symbols for a long piece and then realized that
I'd forgotten to enter the key signature. Of course when I did, the
chord symbols changed to reflect the new key.

I'm afraid the answer is that I'll have to re-enter the chord symbols,
but I wanted to ask here first in case I'm wrong.

**Leigh


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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Transposition

[Leigh Daniels]

Forgot to say FinMac2007!

On Fri, Aug 18, 2006, Leigh Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Group,

I just entered the chord symbols for a long piece and then realized that
I'd forgotten to enter the key signature. Of course when I did, the
chord symbols changed to reflect the new key.

I'm afraid the answer is that I'll have to re-enter the chord symbols,
but I wanted to ask here first in case I'm wrong.

**Leigh


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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Transposition

[Christopher Smith]

Good news!

Mass EditChange...Chord assignmentsTranspose

will do what you need. Select the area first, obviously.

BTW, anyone using Chromatic Transposition (no key sig on transposed  
parts) with chord symbols will have to manually transpose the chords  
on the transposed staves using this method, as Finale does not do it  
automatically as it should. Complain loudly and often to MakeMusic  
about this, please.


You're welcome!

Christopher


On Aug 18, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote:


Hello Group,

I just entered the chord symbols for a long piece and then realized  
that

I'd forgotten to enter the key signature. Of course when I did, the
chord symbols changed to reflect the new key.

I'm afraid the answer is that I'll have to re-enter the chord symbols,
but I wanted to ask here first in case I'm wrong.

**Leigh


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Re(2): [Finale] Chord Symbol Transposition

[Leigh Daniels]

Yay! Thanks, Christopher! I love this list!

**Leigh

On Fri, Aug 18, 2006, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Good news!

Mass EditChange...Chord assignmentsTranspose

will do what you need. Select the area first, obviously.

BTW, anyone using Chromatic Transposition (no key sig on transposed  
parts) with chord symbols will have to manually transpose the chords  
on the transposed staves using this method, as Finale does not do it  
automatically as it should. Complain loudly and often to MakeMusic  
about this, please.

You're welcome!



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Re: Re(2): [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question

[themark]

- Original Message - 
From: Leigh Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Finale List finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:20 AM
Subject: Re(2): [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question


 Thanks, Darcy! It's right there on p. 53. I'd forgotten there was a
 special way to do them. I'm happy now!

 **Leigh

Page 53? Are we talking about Chord tips PDF? Is it not made of 23 pages
in total?

Maybe I missed something

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Re(4): [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question

[Leigh Daniels]

It's on p. 53 of the Finale Productivity manual that Bill Duncan sends
with his great package.

**Leigh

On Mon, May 8, 2006, themark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks, Darcy! It's right there on p. 53. I'd forgotten there was a
 special way to do them. I'm happy now!

 **Leigh

Page 53? Are we talking about Chord tips PDF? Is it not made of 23 pages
in total?

Maybe I missed something


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Re: Re(4): [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question

[themark]

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To: Finale List finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Re(4): [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question


 It's on p. 53 of the Finale Productivity manual that Bill Duncan sends
 with his great package.

 **Leigh

Ah, so one who buys only one or two of his separated packages (one of these
I bought is the Chord one) has not rights to have that manual?

Hmmm...

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Re: Re(4): [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question

[Bill]

I am staying out of this argument.  I try to document everything I sell or 
send.  If the page #s are different, I suggest you review the content as it 
is context and content relevent.


Bill

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To: Finale List finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Re(4): [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question



It's on p. 53 of the Finale Productivity manual that Bill Duncan sends
with his great package.

**Leigh

Ah, so one who buys only one or two of his separated packages (one of 
these

I bought is the Chord one) has not rights to have that manual?

Hmmm...

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[Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question

[Leigh Daniels]

Hello Group,

In FinMac2006d, I'm trying to enter some chord symbols for polychords
such as a B major triad over an A major triad. If I enter B_A, I get the
correct horizontal line between B and A. The problem is that the lower
letter is about 3 times too far below the horizontal line. 

Where do I specify how far below the line I want the lower letter?

Thanks.

**Leigh

PS: I'm using one of Bill Duncan's wonderful, time-saving templates, if
that has any bearing.

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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question

[Darcy James Argue]

Consult Bill's excellent PDF documentation on the use of ChordSuf,  
ChordSym, and ChordSymSubtext -- it's all explained therein.


- Darcy
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On 06 May 2006, at 4:43 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote:


Hello Group,

In FinMac2006d, I'm trying to enter some chord symbols for polychords
such as a B major triad over an A major triad. If I enter B_A, I  
get the

correct horizontal line between B and A. The problem is that the lower
letter is about 3 times too far below the horizontal line.

Where do I specify how far below the line I want the lower letter?

Thanks.

**Leigh

PS: I'm using one of Bill Duncan's wonderful, time-saving  
templates, if

that has any bearing.

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Re(2): [Finale] Chord Symbol Polychord Spacing Question

[Leigh Daniels]

Thanks, Darcy! It's right there on p. 53. I'd forgotten there was a
special way to do them. I'm happy now!

**Leigh

On Sat, May 6, 2006, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Consult Bill's excellent PDF documentation on the use of ChordSuf,  
ChordSym, and ChordSymSubtext -- it's all explained therein.

On 06 May 2006, at 4:43 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote:

 Hello Group,

 In FinMac2006d, I'm trying to enter some chord symbols for polychords
 such as a B major triad over an A major triad. If I enter B_A, I  
 get the
 correct horizontal line between B and A. The problem is that the lower
 letter is about 3 times too far below the horizontal line.

 Where do I specify how far below the line I want the lower letter?

 Thanks.

 **Leigh

 PS: I'm using one of Bill Duncan's wonderful, time-saving  
 templates, if
 that has any bearing.


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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Question

[Christopher Smith]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:40 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote:



On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:28 PM, ThomaStudios wrote:

Always put the highest altered extension on top, and go down in 
order.  IOW:


#9
#5

in one ( )


Thanks a bunch for the clarification!  Now the question is - how do I 
DO this in Finale?!  I mean - how do I make it put these 2 intervals 
in one ( ) and underneath each other?  I can't figure out how to type 
it in that way!




You don't say which font you are using, but the JazzFont default comes 
with a bunch of pre-made suffixes (suffices?) that are stacked more or 
less correctly, though as you point out in a later message, they don't 
all contain the proper parentheses nor do they all adhere to the best 
conventions of chord notation.


Chord suffixes are a HUGE pain in the tuches, and I have already sent 
long and detailed suggestions to MakeMusic on how to improve things, so 
far to no avail. Bill Duncan has the best solution to date for 
Maestro/Engraver type fonts, incorporating all kinds of neat 
workarounds for Finale's inadequacies


http://gwmp.com/MusicFontsFrameset.htm

click on ChordSymbol, ChordSuffix

while JazzFont, included in Finale, is a barely adequate solution for 
JazzFont documents.


Christopher

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[Finale] Chord Symbol Question

[Jacki Barineau]

Hi, Everyone - I have a song with lots of jazz chords that I've  
never used before and need some help in how to display them  
properly!  For example, a G7 (#5, #9) - how can I make it display  
with the #5 then the #9 underneath?  Like this:


G7(#5
  #9)

(except with only 1 set of parentheses)

I might have further questions as I go in this song - thanks for any  
help!!


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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Question

[ThomaStudios]

Always put the highest altered extension on top, and go down in  
order.  IOW:


#9
#5

in one ( )



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On Apr 28, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote:

Hi, Everyone - I have a song with lots of jazz chords that I've  
never used before and need some help in how to display them  
properly!  For example, a G7 (#5, #9) - how can I make it display  
with the #5 then the #9 underneath?  Like this:


G7(#5
  #9)

(except with only 1 set of parentheses)

I might have further questions as I go in this song - thanks for  
any help!!


Jacki
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Question

[Jacki Barineau]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:28 PM, ThomaStudios wrote:

Always put the highest altered extension on top, and go down in  
order.  IOW:


#9
#5

in one ( )


Thanks a bunch for the clarification!  Now the question is - how do I  
DO this in Finale?!  I mean - how do I make it put these 2 intervals  
in one ( ) and underneath each other?  I can't figure out how to type  
it in that way!


Thanks again!

Jacki
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Question

[ThomaStudios]

You will have to go into the chord suffix library and set it up.   
It's a bit tedious and convoluted in Finale, but the good news is,  
you only have to do it once.  Just save your library when finished.


HTH.

J.D. Thomas
ThomaStudios


On Apr 28, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote:



On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:28 PM, ThomaStudios wrote:

Always put the highest altered extension on top, and go down in  
order.  IOW:


#9
#5

in one ( )


Thanks a bunch for the clarification!  Now the question is - how do  
I DO this in Finale?!  I mean - how do I make it put these 2  
intervals in one ( ) and underneath each other?  I can't figure out  
how to type it in that way!


Thanks again!

Jacki
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Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Question

[Chuck Israels]

Dear Jacki,

It's been a while since I used Finale's chord suffix editor, since I  
use a special chord font, but here's what I think will work:


Click on the note to which you want to attach the chord (with the  
chord tool and manual input selected).  A window will open with a  
place to select the root of the chord.  To the right of that is a  
toggle that says Show/Hide Advanced.  Select show advanced and  
then select an existing chord suffix from the available library of  
chords.  There will be a select place near the bottom of that  
window which will bring up the library.  Pick one which matches as  
closely as possible the one you want to create.  It doesn't need to  
be exact, because you're going to change it anyway.  You're really  
going to use it to learn how to make your own suffixes - or customize  
Finale's.


When you have selected one, there'll be a place to select  
duplicate.  Do this so that you are working with a copy of the  
original, and the original will remain untouched, in case you need it  
later.  Then select the duplicate and find the edit button.  Select  
that, and now you will be in the window that allows selection and  
positioning of chord suffix elements.  A little playing with that  
should make it clear how to add and remove elements and position them  
vertically and horizontally.  Try this, and if you have trouble after  
you've gotten this far, write again, and I'll continue to help, but  
this should become clear after a little playing with it.


Chuck


On Apr 28, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote:

Hi, Everyone - I have a song with lots of jazz chords that I've  
never used before and need some help in how to display them  
properly!  For example, a G7 (#5, #9) - how can I make it display  
with the #5 then the #9 underneath?  Like this:


G7(#5
  #9)

(except with only 1 set of parentheses)

I might have further questions as I go in this song - thanks for  
any help!!


Jacki
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol transposition bug still not fixed in Finale 2006

[Andrew Stiller]

Chuck Israels / 2005/08/03 / 03:33 PM wrote:


Why do you need to do this?  What's the advantage of chromatic
transposition over key signature transposition?  Is this something
you do when you want both score and parts to be non key related -
no key signature on either?  I can certainly understand uses for this.




Yes. You use it wherever a transposing instrument must appear without a 
key signature, notably in non-tonal works and in earlier trp. and hn. 
parts. Also good for pre-20th c. timp. parts, wh. also use no key sig.


Andrew Stiller
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol transposition bug still not fixed in Finale 2006

[A-NO-NE Music]

Chuck Israels / 2005/08/03 / 03:33 PM wrote:

Why do you need to do this?  What's the advantage of chromatic  
transposition over key signature transposition?  Is this something  
you do when you want both score and parts to be non key related -  
no key signature on either?  I can certainly understand uses for this.


I am in the same situation.  I never write something that keysig
applies, and do not want transposition to puts keysig :-)


-- 

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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol transposition bug still not fixed in Finale 2006

[Darcy James Argue]

On 03 Aug 2005, at 3:33 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:



On Aug 3, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


6) Now, using the Staff Tool, double-click the staff.  This  
launches the Staff Attributes dialog box.  Click the Select box  
next to Transposition.  Change the transposition method from Key  
Signature to Chromatic.




Why do you need to do this?  What's the advantage of chromatic  
transposition over key signature transposition?  Is this something  
you do when you want both score and parts to be non key related -  
no key signature on either?


Yes.

Most of the time, my music isn't strictly in a traditional key, so I  
don't write key signatures, ever.  Lots of contemporary writers  
(Maria Schneider, John Hollenbeck, Jim McNeely, etc) avoid key  
signatures even when their stuff is mostly tonal.


Sibelius has a key signature -- separate from C major/A minor --  
called Open Key/Atonal -- which does the same thing as setting all  
staves to Chromatic Transposition in Finale, with two big advantages:


1) Chord symbols transpose correctly.

2) It's a one-step process to change an entire score from Key  
Signature transposition to Chromatic transposition.  There is no way  
to do this in Finale except by changing the transposition settings  
for each staff individually, which is incredibly tedious.


- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol transposition bug still not fixed in Finale 2006

[Darcy James Argue]

Hello Finale gang,

I'm asking a favor.  Could everyone I've helped with GPO stuff (or  
any other notation issue) please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], quote my original message, and tell them  
that you, too, would like this Chord symbol transposition bug fixed?


Thanks very much,

- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[laloba2]

Hi Roger,
I also write polychords the way you are describing when I want to be 
very specific about which upper structure is being used on a chord.

Here's how I do it.  I've written on the list before about using 
layer four for my chords in order to be able to easily cut and paste 
them into other parts (hiding rests of course so they don't show.) 
Then I dupe the rests to another unused layer and again hide them. 
Then, I enter only the lower structure of the polychords (in your 
case the Bb7) and all my other regular chords in layer four.  Next, 
I go to the other layer where I have hidden rests and enter the upper 
structure of just the polychords.

I've created a suffix using symbol 209 (which is just a line.)  When 
you create the suffix, in the suffix editor, drag the line up and to 
the left a little bit.   The resulting suffix will leave you with a 
line that will show up underneath the upper structure chord symbol. 
By adding the upper structures chord symbols in another layer, you 
can use the global positioning arrows that show up on the left of 
each system when type into score is selected.  That way you don't 
have to drag each upper structure chord symbol individually but 
instead you can do it quickly globally.

This sounds like a lot of work on paper, but it is actually really fast.
Hope that helps.
Best,
Karen

But my question came out from a copying job I'm doing. I get the manuscript,
I copy it as the composer wants it.
Best,
Roger
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[Finale] Chord symbol

[Roger Julià Satorra]

Hello,

How can I write a chord such as C/Bb7 ? When doing so, finale removes the 7
of the Bb. 

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Guy Hayden]

Your chord is written incorrectly.  If you want a Bb7 over a C bass then you 
must reverse the order to Bb7/C

Guy Hayden
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From: Roger Julià Satorra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: [Finale] Chord symbol


Hello,
How can I write a chord such as C/Bb7 ? When doing so, finale removes the 
7
of the Bb.

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[John Howell]

At 5:22 PM +0100 3/5/05, Roger =?UNKNOWN?Q?Juli=E0?= Satorra wrote:
Hello,
How can I write a chord such as C/Bb7 ? When doing so, finale removes the 7
of the Bb.
I that a polychord (i.e. C major triad over Bb7 chord)?  The program 
is obviously reading it as C major over a Bb bass note.  (You could 
redefine it as a Bb 13 (#11).)

John
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Roger Julià Satorra]

No, what I want is a Bb7 (9, +11, 13), it's easier to write C/Bb7, but not by
finale!

Roger

-- Guy Hayden[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Your chord is written incorrectly.  If you want a Bb7 over a
 C bass then you 
 must reverse the order to Bb7/C
 
 Guy Hayden
 
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 From: Roger Julià Satorra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:22 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Chord symbol
 
 
  Hello,
 
  How can I write a chord such as C/Bb7 ? When doing so,
 finale removes the 
  7
  of the Bb.
 
  Thanks,
  Roger
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[tim-cates]

my approach would be to write it as Bb13(#11) - or make up a score 
expression if you don't need playback (I would indicate this as C 
triad/Bb7 to avoid anyone thinking you put the bass note on the wrong 
side)

On Mar 5, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Roger Julià Satorra wrote:
No, what I want is a Bb7 (9, +11, 13), it's easier to write C/Bb7, but 
not by
finale!

Roger
-- Guy Hayden[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Your chord is written incorrectly.  If you want a Bb7 over a
C bass then you
must reverse the order to Bb7/C
Guy Hayden
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Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: [Finale] Chord symbol

Hello,
How can I write a chord such as C/Bb7 ? When doing so,
finale removes the
7
of the Bb.
Thanks,
Roger
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Jim Williamson]

That seems to be a problem with Finale. When ever I have polychords that I
can't teach Finale (such as C7/Bb7 or C/Bb7), I write it in Score Ex.

JIm


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 At 5:22 PM +0100 3/5/05, Roger =?UNKNOWN?Q?Juli=E0?= Satorra wrote:
 Hello,
 
 How can I write a chord such as C/Bb7 ? When doing so, finale removes the
7
 of the Bb.

 I that a polychord (i.e. C major triad over Bb7 chord)?  The program
 is obviously reading it as C major over a Bb bass note.  (You could
 redefine it as a Bb 13 (#11).)

 John


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Kurt Gnos]

Roger,
/X is only for a bass note, as in Bb/C (Bb over C = Csus). Do you
mean:
C  ?
Bb7 
Then a Bb13 (#11) should be appropriate.
Kurt
At 17:22 05.03.2005, you wrote:
Hello,
How can I write a chord such as C/Bb7 ? When doing so, finale removes the
7
of the Bb. 
Thanks,
Roger
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Darcy James Argue]

Okay, there have been some confused responses here.  What Roger wants 
to do is create a compound chord, also known as a polychord.  Compound 
chords are extremely common in jazz, but Finale doesn't directly 
support them, which has been a longstanding source of frustration for 
jazz musicians using Finale.

Roger, your options are:
1) Enter two separate chords on the same beat -- C and Bb7 -- 
manually drag the C up,  and draw a horizontal line between them.  
(There many options for this -- if you're not picky about the 
appearance, probably the easiest thing is to just use a smart shape 
line).

2) Rewrite the chord as Bb13(#11).
3) Buy Bill Duncan's Chord Symbol font, which adds support for compound 
chords.

- Darcy
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Re: Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Roger Julià Satorra]

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. I know Bb13 (#11) would be appropriate, but
specially when writing for big band, the piano part should be written 

C
---
Bb7

I guess it's something that MUST be corrected by finale. I'm curious about
how Sibelius deals with it. I'll ask arround, jazz people prefere Sibelius
than Finale. Perhaps that's why.

Roger

-- Kurt Gnos[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Roger,

 /X is only for a bass note, as in Bb/C (Bb over C = Csus). 
 Do you mean:
 
 C?
 Bb7
 
 Then a Bb13 (#11) should be appropriate.
 
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Darcy James Argue]

Oh, wait, I forgot one (actually not a bad option at all):
4) Enter the chord as:
C
---
Bb
Then, on the same beat, enter just the chord suffix (the 7), and drag 
it into position.

That's probably the best solution outside of buying the Bill Duncan 
font (which I actually highly recommend.)

- Darcy
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On 05 Mar 2005, at 1:58 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Okay, there have been some confused responses here.  What Roger wants 
to do is create a compound chord, also known as a polychord.  Compound 
chords are extremely common in jazz, but Finale doesn't directly 
support them, which has been a longstanding source of frustration for 
jazz musicians using Finale.

Roger, your options are:
1) Enter two separate chords on the same beat -- C and Bb7 -- 
manually drag the C up,  and draw a horizontal line between them.  
(There many options for this -- if you're not picky about the 
appearance, probably the easiest thing is to just use a smart shape 
line).

2) Rewrite the chord as Bb13(#11).
3) Buy Bill Duncan's Chord Symbol font, which adds support for 
compound chords.

- Darcy
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Re: Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Roger Julià Satorra]

-- Darcy James Argue[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 1) Enter two separate chords on the same beat -- C and
 Bb7 -- 
 manually drag the C up,  and draw a horizontal line
 between them.  
 (There many options for this -- if you're not picky about
 the 
 appearance, probably the easiest thing is to just use a
 smart shape 
 line).

You're right Darcy. That's what I did. I think that I'll buy Bill Duncan's
font.

Thanks,
Roger
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Re(2): [Finale] Chord symbol

[Leigh Daniels]

I'll second this recommendation. If you are doing much of this kind of
music, Bill's Finale Productivity package is the way to go. It's saved me
huge amounts of time and frustration and is well worth the $150 for the
whole pack. At least check it out at 

http://gwmp.com/FinaleProductivityFrameset.htm

**Leigh

On Sat, Mar 5, 2005, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's probably the best solution outside of buying the Bill Duncan 
font (which I actually highly recommend.)


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Roger,
While I agree that Finale should have support for compound chords (and 
listed a few workarounds in previous posts), I can assure you that you 
that when most piano players see Bb13(#11), the voicing they will play 
is very likely to be a C triad over a Bb7 chord.  In other words, I 
don't think there's any particular advantage to using a compound chord 
here -- the result will be the same even if you write Bb13(#11).  It 
certainly doesn't make any difference whether you're writing for big 
band or not.

At any rate, if there is a particular voicing that you need from the 
piano player at that moment, then you should write it out!  As a piano 
player, nothing is more frustrating than the composer/arranger trying 
to lead your voicings by using nonstandard chord symbols.  If you 
want a specific voicing, write it out.  Otherwise, you have to trust us 
to choose an appropriate voicing.

Compound chords are more properly used for chords that cannot easily be 
written as non-compound chords, for instance:

Gb

C-
- Darcy
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On 05 Mar 2005, at 2:04 PM, Roger Juli Satorra wrote:
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. I know Bb13 (#11) would be 
appropriate, but
specially when writing for big band, the piano part should be written

C
---
Bb7
I guess it's something that MUST be corrected by finale. I'm curious 
about
how Sibelius deals with it. I'll ask arround, jazz people prefere 
Sibelius
than Finale. Perhaps that's why.

Roger
-- Kurt Gnos[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Roger,
/X is only for a bass note, as in Bb/C (Bb over C = Csus).
Do you mean:
C?
Bb7
Then a Bb13 (#11) should be appropriate.
Kurt
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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Christopher Smith]

On Mar 5, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Roger Julià Satorra wrote:

No, what I want is a Bb7 (9, +11, 13), it's easier to write C/Bb7, but not by
finale!

Roger


Darcy gave you good advice about getting what you want on paper. I would gently suggest that while

C
Bb7

might be easier for you, it might be harder to read for the players, especially if a perfectly usable standard chord symbol already exists in the form Bb13(#11).

In my own music, I only resort to polychords when a standard chord symbol DOESN'T exist (and, by the way, in this non-standardised jazz world, it is more common to consider slanted slash chords like

C/Bb

to indicate a chord with an alternate bass note, whereas the horizontal slash as I indicated first usually indicates a polychord.)

But, neither my interests nor Finale's limitations should stop you. In fact, you should write to tech support and mention that Finale should support suffixes on the bottom chord of polychords, as I have.

Christopher

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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[John Howell]

Title: Re: [Finale] Chord symbol


At 5:45 PM +0100 3/5/05, Roger =?UNKNOWN?Q?Juli=E0?= Satorra
wrote:
No, what I want is a Bb7 (9, +11, 13),
it's easier to write C/Bb7, but not by
finale!

You've had some great advice, and what you want to write is, in fact,
non-standard and confusing, as the confusion of our different
responses makes quite clear. Back in my pen-and-ink days, I
would have notated it as:

C chord
Bb7 chord

and there would have been no question.

John


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi John,
The *notation* for compound chords isn't confusing, and your suggestion:
C chord   
-
Bb7 chord
is both redundant *and* confusing.
It's only the fact that Roger's particular compound chord is 
functionally equivalent to a standard chord (and is better written as a 
standard chord) that's the problem here.  Compound chord notation 
itself is absolutely standard, widespread, and universally understood 
by halfway competent players.  There is absolutely no need to write 
things like:

A/Bb bass
Or:
A chord
---
Bb chord
Everybody who has the slightest clue about chord symbols knows the 
difference between:

A/Bb
and
A
---
Bb
Anything else is just redundant clutter.  No major jazz publisher uses 
anything except the nomenclature I just described.

- Darcy
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On 05 Mar 2005, at 5:26 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 5:45 PM +0100 3/5/05, Roger =?UNKNOWN?Q?Juli=E0?= Satorra wrote:
No, what I want is a Bb7 (9, +11, 13), it's easier to write C/Bb7, but 
not by
 finale!

 You've had some great advice, and what you want to write is, in fact, 
non-standard and confusing, as the confusion of our different 
responses makes quite clear.  Back in my pen-and-ink days, I would 
have notated it as:

C chord   
Bb7 chord
and there would have been no question.
John
--
John  Susie Howell
 Virginia Tech Department of Music
 Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240
 Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
 http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html
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