From: d. collins
My biggest fear is that MakeMusic might consider implementing them, at the
expense of fixing long-broken features.
my hope is that this fear is a non-issue, because MM is already
dealing with issues such as EPS in PC and fixing the tuplet tool
(again, but properly). of course
On Feb 26, 2005, at 12:49 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
I've made changes to the toolbar mockup at
http://maltedmedia.com/photos/toolbar.gif to reduce Playback and
Duplicate buttons to icons, add Click and item number next to
Attached
to, add a justification droplist, and add a snap-to-grid
At 09:09 AM 2/26/05 -0500, you wrote:
In your tool bar mockup, where are the create and delete buttons
for text expressions? These are such useful buttons in the present
interface that I would hate to lose them.
Just forgotten as I tried to focus on how to 'commonize' the other elements.
Also
From: Christopher Smith
My main worry with that sort of thing (and even with jef's basic
idea to merge the tools) is that to get a type of expression that is
different in function requires more mouse clicks.
not necessarily, with the duplicate button, you actually reduce the
number of mouse
On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:46 AM, shirling neueweise wrote:
there will be user-definable default settings for the Text, including
not only font and size, but also leading and all other text attributes
(why this is not already the case escapes me...) and for the three
manners of attaching it.
From: Johannes Gebauer
There is no reason why I would want my title text blocks appear in
the expression list, it would only convolut it more.
how about a set in-line (they appear in the Text List but are
unassignable) default bookmarks which can be added to or modified by
user? the defaults
From: David W. Fenton
What I *would* support is if the text expression dialog's text box
at the top were instead replaced with the standard Finale text
editor. Then you could put anything in the text expression that you
could put into the text editor, and the user interface would be
exactly
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Multi-line expressions are a problem to create (unless that's been
changed past 2K3).
possible since 2004.
There's no easy way to make any given object a stretchiness or smartness.
proper typographical control - kerning - would allow for
stretchiness, but not in any
From: Noel Stoutenburg
A running header, or a dedication in a text block have nothing to do
with the way the music sounds, and I would submit that the line, is
_not_ at all interchangeable with Allegro ma non troppo.
dedications could be entered in a new file info entry box.
--
shirling
From: Johannes Gebauer
It still escapes me why this kind of thing cannot live happily in
two different tools.
Before the expression tool was improved I could see that there was
some overlap between measure text blocks and measure text
expressions, however, all these problems are now indeed
From: David W. Fenton
...each different kind has different properties that have different
effects on the music. Text blocks have a whole set of properties
that are page-based (and have no effect on performance), while text
expressions are measure- or note-attached.
text blocks are page- or
kurt, johannes (and others),
From: Kurt Gnos
I would NOT mingle the two tools since they have an entirely other
functionality. However, I'd like some of the things you mention, but
in the Text Tool where I might use them.
actually they don't, both tools at present control different
instances of
At 10:48 AM 2/25/05 -0500, shirling neueweise wrote:
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 11:58 AM 2/24/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
It still escapes me why this kind of thing cannot live happily in two
different tools.
jef suggested two.
?
one.
Sorry. Meant two in one. That closer? :)
D
I think you are counting fly legs now. Tell me, what is it you are
missing in a measure attached context, which cannot be done in the
expression tool?
(I can actually think of one situation, but that, on the other hand, is
so special it is much better done in the text tool.)
Johannes
shirling
Fine by me for the expression tool, but I still don't want my text
blocks in there.
Johannes
shirling neueweise wrote:
From: Johannes Gebauer
There is no reason why I would want my title text blocks appear in the
expression list, it would only convolut it more.
how about a set in-line (they
It's not that I want to have the last word, but I use the two tools for
entirely different things. When you say alignment of two expressions
assigned with different tools is a problem, I simply don't get why you
have to use two tools in the first place. If it is an expression, why do
you not
On Feb 25, 2005, at 10:47 AM, shirling neueweise wrote:
kurt, johannes (and others),
From: Kurt Gnos
I would NOT mingle the two tools since they have an entirely other
functionality. However, I'd like some of the things you mention, but
in the Text Tool where I might use them.
actually they
On 25 Feb 2005 at 10:48, shirling neueweise wrote:
the similarities in functioning are far greater than the differences,
I disagree with this. The fact that both use blocks of texts is a
trivial similarity. Everything *else* about the two is completely
different, and *should* remain
On 25 Feb 2005 at 10:49, shirling neueweise wrote:
From: David W. Fenton
...each different kind has different properties that have different
effects on the music. Text blocks have a whole set of properties that
are page-based (and have no effect on performance), while text
expressions are
On Feb 25, 2005, at 12:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Given the new capabilities of text expressions (multi-line, control
of automatic placement), why would any one use a measure-attached
text block, rather than a measure-attached expression?
Justification. Can't do it in the new text expressions.
From: Johannes Gebauer
When you say alignment of two expressions assigned with different
tools is a problem, I simply don't get why you have to use two
tools in the first place. If it is an expression, why do you not use
the expression tool?
currently because i can't full-justify multi-line
From: David W. Fenton
So, the ideal world for me would be to have the all text blocks
dialog added, which would allow selection of multiple text blocks
and the application of properties to the selected group, but then to
leave the text expression dialog as it is, with the exception of:
such
for the problem of management of a large number of Texts (page
blocks, expressions, dynamics etc.), the bookmarks i mentioned could
be helpful (click on dynamics and you are taken immediately to the
marker dynamics in the list - key commands could be implemented),
but perhaps something more
On 25 Feb 2005 at 14:08, shirling neueweise wrote:
From: David W. Fenton
So, the ideal world for me would be to have the all text blocks
dialog added, which would allow selection of multiple text blocks and
the application of properties to the selected group, but then to
leave the text
On 25 Feb 2005 at 14:18, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Feb 25, 2005, at 12:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Given the new capabilities of text expressions (multi-line, control
of automatic placement), why would any one use a measure-attached
text block, rather than a measure-attached
On 25 Feb 2005 at 14:22, shirling neueweise wrote:
taking the above comments into consideration, can anyone give me an
example of how their work would be _hindered_ or otherwise adversely
affected if the (current) text tool and expression tool were combined
into one tool (with an efficient
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
I can't help you with the first, but to select and move more than one
text block at a time, shift-click their handles, or drag around the
handles to select several at once. You can then drag or nudge them at
will, and restore default positioning by
shirling neueweise wrote:
From: Johannes Gebauer
When you say alignment of two expressions assigned with different
tools is a problem, I simply don't get why you have to use two tools
in the first place. If it is an expression, why do you not use the
expression tool?
currently because i can't
At 05:04 PM 2/25/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I actually want the functionality of measure text blocks improved, since
at the moment there is only very limited use for them. I want to be able
to assign a _measure_ attached text block to a position on the _page_.
I know you pretty much
On Feb 25, 2005, at 8:43 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 05:04 PM 2/25/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I actually want the functionality of measure text blocks improved,
since
at the moment there is only very limited use for them. I want to be
able
to assign a _measure_ attached text block
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
I am not against this, but I fail to see how I would benefit? There is
no reason why I would want my title text blocks appear in the expression
list, it would only convolut it more. OK, I know that you have ideas on
how to get more organization into these
On Feb 24, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Ken Moore wrote:
I would like to be able to reuse text blocks on more than one page in
different places (IIRC WinFin3.5 would do this). In WinFin 2004, the
best I can do is copy their contents. Also, in this version it is not
possible (or maybe I have just not
daniel, dennis, certainly you are free to submit a request of your
own. i don't expect everyone to agree entirely with me, but if we
waited for us all to agree, nothing would ever get submitted to the
developers, let alone fixed.
i'm also not of the opinion that any recent upgrade has been
From: Christopher Smith
GENERAL
* Once assigned, default positioning of the individual Text can be
altered or overridden
Did you have an idea about how the interface would work in this case?
perhaps control-click the Text and select the type of attachment in
the contextual menu? if
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Characters are characters, individually or combined. Folding
together the text, expression, articulation, chord, lyric, clef, and
time signature tools into a multifunction toolbar with a consistent
interface seems ideal to me.
yes but text is not articulation, just as
Responding to part of what I wrote
Personally, I just don't see enough benefit to such a merger to
justify this proposed combination.
Jef rejoined
there is overlapping (and inconsistent) functionality, and important
weaknesses in both tools. combining the tool would certainly not
hinder your
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