Re: [Finale] Re: Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-10 Thread John Howell
At 11:40 PM -0500 2/9/05, David W. Fenton wrote: On 9 Feb 2005 at 23:27, John Howell wrote: I'm not sure where the Austrian Lutherans came from! That use of trombones (or sackbutts) goes back at least to Schuetz, one of whose Psalm settings from about 1619 I studied in a graduate seminar

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-10 Thread John Howell
At 11:06 AM -0500 2/10/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 9, 2005, at 2:53 PM, John Howell wrote: Bernouli's law, ...Same law that holds up both fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft. Actually, that can't be the case, though everybody thinks it is. If Bernoulli's law were responsible for lift

Re: [Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations

2005-02-20 Thread John Howell
At 6:19 PM -0500 2/19/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart. Our Community Band has a bunch of similar stands, but they are Manhasset. Folding base and solid

Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

2005-02-22 Thread John Howell
At 8:04 PM -0500 2/21/05, David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Feb 2005 at 19:33, Crystal Premo wrote: I'm sorry, but I take offense to being called illogical because you don't agree with my reaction to an artistic display. It's not your esthetic reaction that's being criticized, but your truly

Re: [Finale] Question About Staff Order

2005-02-24 Thread John Howell
At 5:46 PM -0500 2/23/05, Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi - I'm notating a song that has a vocal staff and an alto recorder staff. Is there a rule about which staff should be the top one in each system? The recorder begins the song, then the vocals take over, then the recorder re-enters in the middle of

Re: [Finale] Notation for Recorder

2005-02-24 Thread John Howell
At 6:09 PM -0500 2/23/05, Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi, Everyone - I have another question about notating for alto recorder! Does anyone know how you notate those slides they do - like when they hit a low note and kind of float up to a higher note? Or when they hit a note and kind of droop down to

Re: [Finale] OT: Browsers

2005-02-26 Thread John Howell
At 12:37 AM + 2/26/05, Owain Sutton wrote: Simon Troup wrote: Go to http://maps.google.com and browse a few maps. No support for Safari. They need to do more homework. No support for Europe. They really need to do some work. I feel like the anti-Columbus, scrolling off into the

Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players

2005-02-26 Thread John Howell
At 5:20 AM -0500 2/26/05, dhbailey wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: So, it's not possible to do this with MP3 with XML interface? Most schools have computers these days, no? :-) In all the classrooms? A most definite NO. And while many of the music teachers are fine musicians, I have spoken with a

Re: [Finale] TAN: String divisi

2005-03-02 Thread John Howell
At 5:35 PM + 3/2/05, Robert Patterson wrote: I have an question for the general wisdom of the list. When a string section uses inside/outside divisi, I understand that this implies it is a 2-part divisi where each half is played by a player on each stand. What I don't know is, does the

Re: [Finale] TAN: String divisi

2005-03-02 Thread John Howell
At 6:17 PM + 3/2/05, Robert Patterson wrote: From the inside/outside terminology, I had inferred that this was probably the case. What about situations where the string section rearranges so that the 2nd violins face the 1st violins? Do the 2nd violins reverse their usual orientation or do

Re: [Finale] String divisi

2005-03-04 Thread John Howell
At 1:44 AM + 3/4/05, Ken Moore wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew Stiller writes: On Mar 3, 2005, at 5:57 AM, Ken Moore wrote: ... some bass[es are] five-string (bottom string usually tuned to C in the US, B in Europe) B? That's a new one on me! Can anyone cite a composition (orch.,

Re: [Finale] backwards conversion from 2005 to 2004

2005-03-04 Thread John Howell
At 8:30 PM +0100 3/4/05, d. collins wrote: Speaking of beaming, of Sibelius, etc., I was looking at the sample files of a new French publisher: http://www.lasinfoniedorphee.com/catalogue/PDF/067.pdf This seems worse, beam-wise, than anything Finale would do, even without plug-ins and with the

Re: [Finale] String divisi

2005-03-04 Thread John Howell
At 3:46 PM -0500 3/4/05, David W. Fenton wrote: Also, keep in mind that Bach's gamba sonatas assumed a 7-string gamba with a low A string (because two of the three sonatas require low B), Hmm. The only one I'm really familiar with is the G major, and that one certainly doesn't require the

Re: [Finale] String divisi

2005-03-04 Thread John Howell
At 5:25 PM -0400 3/4/05, Godofredo Romero wrote: Taken from Cecil Forsyth' book on orchestration The name Violone, i.e big Viola, was given to the Double-Bass, and in accordance with the accurate if somewhat limited principles of the Italian laguage, the intermediate instrument was christened,

Re: [Finale] OT Bass low B

2005-03-05 Thread John Howell
At 9:53 PM + 3/4/05, Ken Moore wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger Satorra writes: You're talking about a scordatura. I don't think of all cases of tuning a lower string down as scordatura. I associate that with notation that tells you where to put your fingers, but because the string is

Re: [Finale] OT contrasbass instruments (was String divisi)

2005-03-05 Thread John Howell
At 3:06 PM +0100 3/5/05, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am by no means an expert, but the term violone is used for various instruments, including the cello itself (see for instance Corelli's violin sonatas original title), but was also in wide use for a double bass instrument. A violone could be an

Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

2005-03-05 Thread John Howell
At 5:22 PM +0100 3/5/05, Roger =?UNKNOWN?Q?Juli=E0?= Satorra wrote: Hello, How can I write a chord such as C/Bb7 ? When doing so, finale removes the 7 of the Bb. I that a polychord (i.e. C major triad over Bb7 chord)? The program is obviously reading it as C major over a Bb bass note. (You

Re: [Finale] Chord symbol

2005-03-05 Thread John Howell
Title: Re: [Finale] Chord symbol At 5:45 PM +0100 3/5/05, Roger =?UNKNOWN?Q?Juli=E0?= Satorra wrote: No, what I want is a Bb7 (9, +11, 13), it's easier to write C/Bb7, but not by finale! You've had some great advice, and what you want to write is, in fact, non-standard and confusing, as the

Re: [Finale] String divisi

2005-03-05 Thread John Howell
At 11:50 AM -0500 3/5/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Mar 4, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Godofredo Romero wrote: Taken from Cecil Forsyth' book on orchestration The name Violone, i.e big Viola, was given to the Double-Bass, and in accordance with the accurate if somewhat limited principles of the Italian

Re: [Finale] Bass Trom

2005-03-07 Thread John Howell
At 6:06 AM -0500 3/7/05, Christopher Smith wrote: There are a few varieties of contrabass trombone that I know of. One is pitched in BBb, has a double slide (four tubes instead of two), a single F trigger, and is played with a mouthpiece close to the size of a tuba mouthpiece (makes sense, as

Re: [Finale] Notation/Engraving books

2005-03-07 Thread John Howell
At 7:22 PM +0100 3/7/05, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I just started a new thread on the tips site's forum, focusing on notation/engraving books. I put a mini-review of Gardner Read there. It would be really great if others would join and add their opinions on other notation and/or engraving

Re: [Finale] OT: Bass Trombone (Brass Band)

2005-03-07 Thread John Howell
At 11:13 PM +0100 3/7/05, Klaus Bjerre wrote: Trombones were the-odd-men-out. Some say they often were recruited among ex-service-bandsmen. And the bassbone was even more odd. It was pitched in G like the Brit orchestral bassbone was up to somewhere between 1955 and 1970. After that the one valve

Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)

2005-03-07 Thread John Howell
At 10:15 AM -0500 3/7/05, Guy Hayden wrote: All this talk about the cimbasso has made me bold to ask about another rare instrument. The swing band I play with (The Peninsula Retired Mens Club Band) has a 'band tie' on which is an image of a Sarrusophone. Often people ask about the instrument.

Re: [Finale] American Styles (was Best Works of the 1920s)

2005-03-11 Thread John Howell
At 8:40 PM +0100 3/11/05, Daniel Wolf wrote: In the US, pop music is essentially a vocal genre. Instrumental pop successes are novelty or niche items (what instrumentals have made the top ten in the past fifty years? Herb Alpert, disco-fied Beethoven, and---?) . The French guy--Love is Bleu;

Re: [Finale] American Styles (was Best Works of the 1920s)

2005-03-12 Thread John Howell
At 2:57 PM -0800 3/11/05, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 11, 2005, at 12:53 PM, John Howell wrote: European operetta did not come to North America until the 1890s or later [...] Entirely my fault for not being clear in my statement. I was not thinking so much of imported European operetta, which

Re: [Finale] American Styles (was Best Works of the 1920s)

2005-03-12 Thread John Howell
At 7:56 PM -0500 3/11/05, Raymond Horton wrote: Thanks for the info. I had heard of that strike but not as completely as you write. Wasn't there also heavy taxing of larger bands in clubs after the war that also helped the rise of small combos? Perhaps that was just in NYC? There was a

Re: [Finale] American Styles (was Best Works of the 1920s)

2005-03-12 Thread John Howell
At 12:59 PM -0500 3/12/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: This argument confuses folk music (largely anonymous and non-professional) with popular music (professional, with identifiable composers). On the contrary, my thesis is that it was the music that each separate group of settlers brought with it,

Re: [Finale] pick-up measure

2005-03-18 Thread John Howell
At 7:46 PM -0500 3/17/05, Christopher Smith wrote: I even see from time to time works where an entire introduction is not numbered, or numbered with a, b etc., or i ii in lower case Roman numerals, like a book preface, though this might only be because the intro was added later and they needed

Re: [Finale] pick-up measure

2005-03-18 Thread John Howell
At 7:53 AM -0500 3/18/05, Eric Dussault wrote: Thanks everyone for your opinions. It fortunately confirms the practice I always did. There is one situation where I don't know for sure what to do : considering that the duration of the anacrusis is substracted to the last measure, what are you

Re: [Finale] pick-up measure

2005-03-18 Thread John Howell
Somebody wrote (too many overlapping quotes to figure it out!): I'm confused -- how can there be more than one measure as a pickup? Not at all unusual in Berlioz, who was certainly not constrained by barlines, and present in Tchakovsky as well (I'm thinking of the pickups to the 5/4 waltz

Re: [Finale] Handwritten fonts

2005-03-18 Thread John Howell
At 3:45 PM +0100 3/18/05, Daniel Wolf wrote: Personally, I would probably dislike reading a score with unconventional stemming, although I can imagine some some compositional rationale for doing it (e.g. in an extremely complex rhythmic environment, this would aid in creating a notion that is

Re: [Finale] escape key in MacOSX

2005-03-18 Thread John Howell
At 9:23 AM -0600 3/18/05, Robert Patterson wrote: Does anyone know the escape key in Mac OSX? It was cmd-. in OS9, but I can't tell if it is working the same in OSX. I wanted to use it to escape from long mass edit procedures as before. -- Robert Patterson Perhaps I don't understand, but the

Re: [Finale] pick-up measure

2005-03-18 Thread John Howell
At 2:29 PM -0500 3/18/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Like I keep saying, it's not about the gesture, or the phrasing, or any of that stuff. Measure numbering follows a simple, objective, easy-to-understand and (almost) universally-applied rule. Every complete measure gets a unique measure

Re: [Finale] Incorrectly Printing Articulation (?)

2005-03-23 Thread John Howell
At 4:38 AM + 3/23/05, John Bell wrote: PS On reflection, since you say the inverted A is beside both notes it's unlikely to be an articulation -- only one instance would appear in that case -- so unless my earlier suggestion of O for open string is wrong it must me something else that

Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders

2005-03-23 Thread John Howell
At 2:35 PM -0500 3/23/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, Anyone have any suggestions for a source of inexpensive (i.e., cardboard) music folders (or something that could serve that purpose) -- that *doesn't* have some company's logo splashed all over it? You want inexpensive, you pay by

Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders

2005-03-23 Thread John Howell
At 3:07 PM -0500 3/23/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 23 Mar 2005, at 3:01 PM, John Howell wrote: You want inexpensive, you pay by providing them with advertising space. No big deal. It is for me, which is why I bothered posting my question the first place. If I didn't think it was a big deal

Re: [Finale] Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread John Howell
At 10:42 AM +0100 3/24/05, d. collins wrote: In a polyphonic mass, I need to insert two short Gregorian intonations. I know the Medieval plug-in, but it costs some 250 bucks, and I have less than one line of music... Are there any other less expensive ways (fonts, plug-ins) to do this? Thanks,

[Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread John Howell
At 1:27 PM +0100 3/24/05, d. collins wrote: (But then, knowing nothing about Gregorian, I'm wondering if there are any sites explaining the basics of this notation. I have the unpleasant feeling of transcribring a language I don't understand.) In this case the basics aren't nearly enough. The

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread John Howell
At 5:29 PM +0100 3/24/05, d. collins wrote: Noel Stoutenburg écrit: My first chant tutor, as it were, was the introduction from the Liber Usualis, the beginning of which provides a good basic framework of information. That's the first place I'd go to advise finding more information. Though

Re: SV: [Finale] Gregorian

2005-03-25 Thread John Howell
At 1:39 PM +0100 3/25/05, Arne Møller Jørgensen wrote: I have made a lot of Hildegard von Bingens songs and have only jused what FINALE has been able to do. I attach en little samble. Amj Yes, that is a very good transcription into modern notation, but I believe that Dennis was wanting to use

Re: [Finale] OT: 18th Century Trumpet question

2005-03-25 Thread John Howell
At 9:59 AM -0500 3/25/05, Martin Banner wrote: I have an autograph score of a sacred Latin concerted choral work by the 18th Century Italian composer Francesc'antonio Vallotti (theorist regarding tuning). Anyway, the piece includes two tromba parts written in alto clef. This is the first time I

Re: [Finale] OT: Mac to video projector

2005-03-30 Thread John Howell
The video out on my tiMac Powerbook G4 is a small 15-pin trapezoidal plug that needs a matching cable, and it's identified by a highly-stylized monitor (looking something like a double whole note!). Once plugged in, with both the projector and computer on, you may need to find the monitor

[Finale] Re: Need notation advice...

2005-04-05 Thread John Howell
At 3:46 AM -0400 4/5/05, shirling neueweise wrote: From: Christopher Smith I have a feeling I am somewhat misunderstanding this, but if two is sharing the stem, how can you tell if the note is not solo? I think most people would default to thinking that they are unison... never assume this,

Re: [Finale] Orchestral parts

2005-04-07 Thread John Howell
At 12:12 PM -0700 4/7/05, Lee Actor wrote: I'm discussing with another composer the advisability of combining multiple instruments on a single orchestral part, and thought I'd pose this question to the group. My contention is that a) orchestral wind players dislike multiple instruments on a

Re: [Finale] Orchestral parts

2005-04-08 Thread John Howell
At 4:49 PM -0400 4/7/05, Guy Hayden wrote: Look at Barber's Adagio for Strings. Try to work the page turns so that one player is available for the turn. This is often difficult to manage but can be done. In well-copied Broadway show books, the copyist sometimes leaves a blank page or has only

Re: [Finale] Repeats: A-B-C-B-C-D

2005-04-09 Thread John Howell
At 6:51 AM -0400 4/9/05, Jim Mays wrote: I have a song with three different sections: A, B and C. A is sung once; B, three times; and C, twice in this order: A-B-C-B-C-B. The first repeat, B-C, is straightforward. What repeat signs instructions to Finale do I use to go back and sing B one last

Re: [Finale] Question about parts...

2005-04-10 Thread John Howell
At 7:25 AM -0400 4/10/05, dhbailey wrote: Most music like that which I have seen includes all the parts on the choral score -- just reduce the size of the flute staff and the harp staff (staves?) and keep the choral staves larger and easier to read. Many such choral works also have the flute

Re: [Finale] OT: Boccherini String Quintets

2005-04-10 Thread John Howell
I've taken the liberty of forwarding the original question to a viola list with lots of chamber music players on it. John At 9:20 PM +0300 4/10/05, RegoR wrote: Johannes, Try to contact Mlle. Laurence at +33 1 5379 8873. She should be able to give you more specific information about what you

Re: [Finale] Tiny text

2005-04-13 Thread John Howell
I second the call for plain text. HTML code was never intended to be a universal and ideal method of internet communication, and in fact lacks a number of upper level characters. I did not receive either message with tiny type. Both came through in the format I've specified in my Settings.

Re: [Finale] clef changes

2005-04-14 Thread John Howell
At 8:02 PM -0700 4/13/05, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi folks, I'd be interested in getting some opinions regarding clef changes. And, if any violists are out there, I'd love to hear how you feel about reading in treble clef for extended periods of time. Well, here's personal opinion from one violist.

Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

2005-04-14 Thread John Howell
At 3:51 PM -0400 4/14/05, David W. Fenton wrote: Are you talking about treble clef at pitch or treble 8bassa, the traditional notation? Thank you, David. That's exactly the problem with using treble for cello. There are historical precedents for two different practices, as there are, as well,

Re: [Finale] clef changes slightly OT

2005-04-15 Thread John Howell
At 11:18 AM -0400 4/15/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Are you saying you make a distinction between composing music and writing music? Semantics, nothing more. Some people, at some times, do use them interchangeably, yes, but probably shouldn't. Writing down, as you say in your next sentence,

Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

2005-04-15 Thread John Howell
At 11:21 AM -0400 4/15/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 15 Apr 2005, at 10:06 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: As a bassoonist and composer, I never, ever, write the tenor clef, though of course I can read it fluently. Any professional bassoonist, cellist, or trombonist will know how to read the treble

Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

2005-04-15 Thread John Howell
At 8:10 PM +0200 4/15/05, Michael Cook wrote: As to the idea of getting rid of tenor clef, try talking to a few cellists and see what they say. I find that it fits perfectly to a typical solo cello range where you basically stay most of the time up on the A-string, occasionally rocking over to

Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

2005-04-15 Thread John Howell
At 12:40 PM -0700 4/15/05, Carl Dershem wrote: John Howell wrote: No howls, just a bit of history. The original reason for using movable clefs was to keep the music within the staff so the scribe wouldn't have to turn his pen sideways for the ledger lines. That's exactly how the fully

Re: [Finale] OT PC question

2005-04-15 Thread John Howell
At 6:09 PM -0400 4/15/05, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote: I need some advise regarding the purchase of a PC laptop for my daughter who will be a college freshman in the fall. I know nothing of the Dark Side...so I need specific names and models to consider. Thanks...and I hope my fellow MacMavens will

Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

2005-04-16 Thread John Howell
At 8:39 AM -0400 4/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I teach my tormbone pupils to read treble, tenor and bass clefs. I expect them to be comfortable in all three by the time they leave me at 16 years old. Good for you! Both you and David Bailey point out the major difference in background:

Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

2005-04-18 Thread John Howell
At 3:26 PM -0400 4/16/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: I could counter with a long list of instruments whose effective ranges do precisely that, yet do not use (and in most cases never have used) the alto clef. But I think it will be more, um, effective simply to point out that the only modern

Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

2005-04-18 Thread John Howell
At 3:28 PM -0400 4/16/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: Certainly. But Rachmaninoff's use of the convention was by then no more traditional than Hindemith's use of the viola d'amore. Hindemith directed the Yale Collegium Musicum, and was a violist. Why would he not be interested in viola

Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

2005-04-18 Thread John Howell
At 6:20 PM -0400 4/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 16/04/2005 14:19:15 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: first, the students you cite are taking private lessons, which the vast majority of middle and high school instrumentalists do not. No - I teach in high schools,

Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

2005-04-18 Thread John Howell
At 8:14 AM -0400 4/17/05, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Unless she HAS to get a PC (and I can't think of a single reason why a freshman would be that committed to one of the departments that requires them) she ought to get a Mac. Period. At this university there are department-specific requirements.

Re: [Finale] Concert Pitch A: Europe v. America

2005-04-19 Thread John Howell
At 6:00 PM -0400 4/18/05, Leigh Daniels wrote: Hello Knowledgeable Finale-ists, As part of a conversation with a pianist friend today, we both were wondering why Concert Pitch A in America is 440 Hz and different in Europe. He said when he was touring in Europe, he had to request the American 440

Re: [Finale] the copyist's job (was clef changes or something similar...)

2005-04-20 Thread John Howell
At 4:37 PM -0400 4/19/05, shirling neueweise wrote: From: Andrew Stiller In my experience, the vast majority of copyists regard it as their duty to literally copy exactly what they find in the score when extracting parts. There are many places where a composer changes clefs merely to save

Re: [Finale] Re: J.S. Bachs Instrumentarium

2005-04-25 Thread John Howell
On 24.04.2005, at 19:38, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Apr 24, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Not that I really know anything about this, but I was under the impression that a Zugtrompete is in fact a trumpet, with a sliding device. I have seen such instruments played. This is correct.

Re: [Finale] Muted pizz.

2005-04-25 Thread John Howell
At 4:01 PM -0400 4/25/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey all, I have a question about muted pizzicato in an orchestral string section. I'm curious how much the mutes actually dampen the pizz. sound, and how much impact they have on the actual timbre. Do any examples from the literature leap to

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread John Howell
At 10:47 PM -0400 4/26/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Jacki, I hate to the bearer of bad news, but both examples in your snapshot are wrong. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY I have to agree with Darcy 100%, Jacki. Example 1 looks like a student's first attempt to notate rhythms taken

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread John Howell
At 11:38 PM +0100 4/27/05, Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: The first printed polyphonic music shows up in the early 16th century, 1501 in Venice, to be exact. This was music printed from movable type, which means that each piece of type had a single note shape or a single rest shape

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-28 Thread John Howell
At 2:22 PM -0400 4/28/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:33 PM, John Howell wrote: The first printed polyphonic music shows up in the early 16th century, 1501 in Venice, to be exact. This was music printed from movable type, which means that each piece of type had a single note

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-28 Thread John Howell
At 9:34 PM -0400 4/27/05, David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Apr 2005 at 17:33, John Howell wrote: The actual engraving of music--technical use of the term here, meaning the use of a sharp steel engraving tool to write the music, backwards, on a soft copper plate--dates from the 17th century

Re: [Finale] div wind parts

2005-05-02 Thread John Howell
At 3:34 PM +0200 5/2/05, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think we discussed this recently, but I have forgotten the outcome and need some advice now: I am preparing some orchestral parts. In the wind parts, for about 95% the two flutes play identical music, but very occasionally they devide into

Re: [Finale] div wind parts

2005-05-02 Thread John Howell
At 11:55 AM -0400 5/2/05, Raymond Horton wrote: The only time we would not play a piece was a new symphony that had four part divisis in all the strings - with crossing glissandi, etc., all in one staff. Totally unreadable. We told the composer, his only response was to come back the next day

Re: [Finale] Lyrics grace notes

2005-05-03 Thread John Howell
At 5:31 PM -0400 5/3/05, John Roberts wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to get lyrics to reduce in size when attached to grace notes? I'm in FinMac 2003. Thanks for any help. I'm curious. Why would you want to? John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A

Re: [Finale] Treble clef in Cb part

2005-05-05 Thread John Howell
At 12:47 PM -0400 5/5/05, David W. Fenton wrote: But I believe the tunings on the typical 3-string Viennese basses of the time was not the same as our modern conbrabasses. I don't know enough about the actual tunings for those instruments, so can't say, but I'm struck by the performer's change

Re: [Finale] Treble clef in Cb part

2005-05-06 Thread John Howell
At 9:18 AM +0100 5/6/05, Ken Moore wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Fenton writes: But I believe the tunings on the typical 3-string Viennese basses of the time was not the same as our modern conbrabasses. Do you have evidence that 4- and 5-string instruments were not available? This

Re: [Finale] TAN: Garritan Question

2005-05-12 Thread John Howell
At 1:34 PM -0500 5/11/05, Jim Williamson wrote: The standard policy, in the past, was that you could write 1 and 1 only custom chart for 1 band without getting pemission. If you sold a second copy to someone, that would be considered unauthorised publishing. Jim, I'm always willing to learn

Re: [Finale] TAN: Garritan Question

2005-05-13 Thread John Howell
At 6:57 AM -0400 5/13/05, Christopher Smith wrote: As far as I could tell, Jim wasn't talking about law, but about publisher's willingness to allow someone else to arrange one of their works. And his experience seemed to agree with mine, too. Things have changed in attitudes among publishers in

Re: [Finale] Flonzaley Quartet performing edition of Schubert's op. 161 quartet

2005-05-16 Thread John Howell
At 10:57 AM -0400 5/16/05, Eric Kurtz wrote: If anyone finds it, let's Xerox it for friends and play it together! Not to be a spoilsport or anything, but if it was published in the 1930s it's still under copyright in the U.S. Of course if it's POP that doesn't make copying legal, but does lower

Re: [Finale] 4-line staff

2005-05-18 Thread John Howell
At 11:51 PM -0400 5/17/05, shirling neueweise wrote: i'd like to be able to have 4-line and 5-line staves interspersed, with the top and bottom staff lines of each aligning. As always, you're getting lots of practical advice from the knowledgeable membership of this list, and the discussion so

[Finale] Re: 4-line staff

2005-05-18 Thread John Howell
At 12:35 PM -0400 5/18/05, shirling neueweise wrote: John Howell asked: Why do you want to do this? in larger percussion setups it's quite useful to differentiate between instruments, or instruments types, especially when they change often during the piece. generally, i only use 5-line staves

RE: [Finale] TAN: GPO question

2005-05-24 Thread John Howell
At 11:27 PM -0400 5/24/05, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 09:16 PM 5/24/05 -0500, Williams, Jim wrote: Would you please search your memory bank for the location of this soundfont...? It's one of the best I've ever heard. Jim, It isn't a single soundfont. There are about 30 different

Re: [Finale] TAN: for 18th century string experts...

2005-05-26 Thread John Howell
At 7:33 PM +0200 5/26/05, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Boccherini string quintet, cello part, in a Paris early 19th century edition (but that could well be done from 18th century printing plates of an earlier edition. In a cello part there is an indication al ponte. What would people think this

Re: [Finale] harmon mute on horn?

2005-06-04 Thread John Howell
At 3:33 PM -0400 6/4/05, shirling neueweise wrote: for the horn player in you: i don't recall ever seeing this anywhere before, but a client has indicated harmon mute for horn (small orchestra for opera). does a harmon mute exist for horns? cheers, jef Never seen one, never seen one in

Re: [Finale] Chant notation

2005-06-05 Thread John Howell
At 1:08 AM -0400 6/5/05, Lora Crighton wrote: Is there any way to make Finale do gregorian chant? There are chant fonts available from St. Meinrad's Archabbey in Southern Indiana. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540)

Re: [Finale] Dragon Naturally Speaking. One more question please.

2005-06-09 Thread John Howell
At 3:03 PM +1000 6/9/05, Paul Copeland wrote: Hello. At the moment I have a very old analogue microphone. When I use it I get a terrible hiss coming from the loud speakers, and have to turn the volume off. Is there a good USB microphone that cuts out the hiss of the speakers, without me

Re: [Finale] OT - Word processors for OS X

2005-06-12 Thread John Howell
At 1:15 PM -0700 6/12/05, ThomaStudios wrote: Once again I'd like to tap the collective wisdom here on the board. What is everyone's recommended choice for word processing under OS X. I would like to rid myself of Microsh*t Word 2004, which steadfastly refuses to create a printer on my

Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

2005-06-24 Thread John Howell
At 3:09 PM -0400 6/23/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Ken Durling wrote: An Electric Piano I think technically has to have reeds and hammers, or even strings like those stubby little grands made by Yamaha. Well the terminology may have changed, but back in

Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

2005-06-24 Thread John Howell
At 8:52 AM -0400 6/24/05, dhbailey wrote: John Howell wrote: [snip] I think I've seen a picture of it, but there may well only be one (or a handfull) in the entire world. The bass sax, on the other hand, should be considered and used as a legitimate member of the sax section. (I may

Re: [Finale] half rests in 6/4?

2005-06-29 Thread John Howell
At 12:43 PM +0100 6/29/05, Owain Sutton wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: keith helgesen schrieb: I would query your assertion that 6/4 traditionally is 2 X 3/4. From my experience 6/4 is generally 3 X 2/4. Is it? I doubt that for most music written before 1900, after that I guess things

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-06 Thread John Howell
At 5:22 AM -0500 7/6/05, Jim wrote: David, I have not experienced linked parts yet. The descriptions i see here, however, leave me wondering what I'm missing. Can you enlighten me as to their benefit? I'm not sure I see the benefit of having an ex-post change made to a PART be reflected in the

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 11:51 AM -0600 7/6/05, John Abram wrote: A twelfth note is a triplet eighth note. They are sometimes used in new music (eg Mark-Anthony Turnage has used it frequently I believe) Henry Cowell was way ahead of the game with this sort of thinking. Why is 12/12 not like 12/8? Because 12/8 is

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 8:27 PM -0600 7/6/05, John Abram wrote: On 6-Jul-05, at 5:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're really splitting hairs here -- putting 3 evenly spaced notes within one beat sounds like triplets to me, no matter how it's represented in the time signature. Yes it sounds the same, like

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 5:45 PM +0100 7/7/05, Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If it sounds like triplets, it's triplets. Except if it's not grouped in threes. In which case it doesn't sound like triplets! Feel free to invent your own notation; just don't expect

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-08 Thread John Howell
At 11:18 PM +0200 7/7/05, Johannes Gebauer wrote: And much more basic: as Robert remarked it is absolutely essential to have separate spacing for each part. The way that Finale's spacing works I fear that this might indeed make the one file, different views approach incredibly complicated, as

Re: [Finale] Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-08 Thread John Howell
At 5:39 PM -0400 7/7/05, Andrew Stiller wrote: In Broadcast Standard American, w and wh are pronounced identically, and the phoneme [hw] simply does not exist. I'm not sure whether you are referring to a reference book, or just to general practice. I do know that I grew up having been

Re: [Finale] Another thing Sibelius has

2005-07-08 Thread John Howell
At 9:21 PM -0500 7/7/05, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: What can a Sibelius House Style do that one cannot do with a Finale template? Ummm, save you the time and knowledge base needed to create your template? I, for one, don't speak EPVU or whatever the heck it is! It's my son who investigated

Re: [Finale] Re: Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

2005-07-09 Thread John Howell
At 12:55 AM -0400 7/9/05, David W. Fenton wrote: Anyway, that's enough for now. Most of the notational aspects I could probably figure out how to configure, but I find the user interface is, overall, really poorly done, with lots of places where it's extremely hard to find how to control things

Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...

2005-07-09 Thread John Howell
At 9:28 AM -0500 7/9/05, Robert Patterson wrote: Isn't the fundamental problem here that the pie is not getting bigger? Sibelius had the luxury of learning from Finale's mistakes. Its original features list was a litany of Finale's (then) shortcomings. Apparently its entire reason for

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread John Howell
At 1:27 PM +1000 7/10/05, Rocky Road wrote: My school here in Sydney, Australia uses Finale, but this is because I like it and I introduced it here when we brought computers into the music department some years back (being head of music has its privileges :-) ). However, all around us, it

Re: [Finale] Another thing Sibelius has

2005-07-11 Thread John Howell
At 9:18 AM -0400 7/11/05, dhbailey wrote: I didn't think look-and-feel could be patented/copyrighted/trademarked. Under U.S. law it can't. European law may be different in this aspect, judging from comments that have been made from our friends across the pond. John -- John Susie

Re: [Finale] turn quarters into 16ths

2005-07-12 Thread John Howell
At 10:52 PM +0200 7/11/05, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Is there a way to turn every quarter note in a passage into 4 16th notes? (If not, this seems like something that is missing from the plugin menu - or the TGTools menu). Two slashes through the stems? John -- John Susie Howell Virginia

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