In some editions, an acci above means it was an editorial acci and not in
the original source. I've not seen it in any other context. Of course, on
the countless occasions when I pencil them in, they often end up there.
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Raymond Horton
wrote:
> Fair enough. How
Fair enough. How about full sized accidentals above?
On Nov 30, 2014 12:08 AM, "Robert Patterson"
wrote:
> For me, nothing tiny please. The notes have already gotten small enough as
> it is, and they seem to be getting smaller by the month. I can think of
> three situations that demand cautionar
For me, nothing tiny please. The notes have already gotten small enough as
it is, and they seem to be getting smaller by the month. I can think of
three situations that demand cautionaries. In all three cases, I think they
should appear as normal accis without parens.
1. If the first note of a bar
New wrinkle in this heated conversation: I prefer tiny cautionary
accidentals above the note, does anyone else? Avoids the parentheses
questions, but not as quick to apply in Finale.
So I don't use them much. In the big project I just finished, which was
played by good high school strings with
My perspective is that if the key of the moment does not match the key
signature, any chromatic alterations within the key of the moment should be
shown even if they are already in the key sig. Personally I don't think
parens are necessary but I suppose they don't hurt anything. For example,
if the
They are called courtesy accidentals.
Perhaps a little courtesy in speaking about your point of view and experience
vs that of others would be welcome.
My experience with tonal but often modulating music played by highly educated
and able musicians differs from yours. That doesn't lead me to
On 11/29/2014 2:04 PM, Steve Parker wrote:
>
>> Also, as Chris says, parentheses make accidentals more difficult to read.
>
> The opposite of my experience.
> When someone has brought some unknown Sondheim to an audition, there are
> better things to do than to keep skipping back in the measure to
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Craig, I agree entirely
Cheers,
Lawrence
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> On 29 Nov 2014, at 5:32 am, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2014 10:37
> Surely this issue has something to do with the context. Highly chromatic
> music requires more frequent courtesy accidentals, and once you reach a
> certain point, parentheses simply become needless clutter.
Absolutely. Complex or non-tonal or non-ET is a different case.
But these things are
I use them consistently without parentheses and get no complaints and few
errors from musicians reading my music. Occasionally, parentheses clarify
context, but generally they take up precious space.
Chuck
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> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>
> Surel
My experience with performers has been the parenthesis before a cautionary
accidental prevents mistakes. Maybe it's the ability of the reader but I can
predict a mistake when not there.
Vivian
Vivian Adelberg Rudow, ASCAP award winner every year since 1987
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 10:02 AM, M
Surely this issue has something to do with the context. Highly chromatic music
requires more frequent courtesy accidentals, and once you reach a certain
point, parentheses simply become needless clutter. Also, as Chris says,
parentheses make accidentals more difficult to read.
I also think the
I totally agree that cautionary accidentals without parens cause me to glance
back as well.
And don't forget singers. Cautionary accidentals in parens need to be present
when there's a cross-relation on or nearby. This also goes for astute string
players -- in a piece of mine a few weeks ago, an A
I do a lot of sight-reading too, including an increasing amount of stuff
printed for audition from the internet in keys like E#..
Cautionarys without parentheses cause my eyes to skip back and check the key or
the previous accidental .
My preference is:
If the note is changed by the accidental,
I have an extensive library of music from many different publishers. I can’t
find any consensus over whether or not to put parentheses on cautionary
accidentals: some do, some don’t.
As a player (pianist who has to sight-read a lot, accompanying opera), I prefer
not to see the parentheses, for
Craig, I agree entirely
Cheers,
Lawrence
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> On 29 Nov 2014, at 5:32 am, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2014 10:37 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> Most major publishers these days do not parenthesise courtesy accidentals
>> either.
>
> Really?
>
> That surely isn't
When I was a music editor, when dealing with a pitch on beat one that had been
altered on the final beat of the previous measure but was restored in the new
measure by the key signature, it was my practice to do two non-conventional
things: to place an accidental on the pitch and not to parenthe
On 11/28/2014 10:37 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Most major publishers these days do not parenthesise courtesy accidentals
> either.
Really?
That surely isn't my experience. I don't recall seeing any recently
published music from a respected publishing house that does it that way.
I find th
We've had this discussion before, and I would just like to remind everyone that
there is a valid dissenting opinion. I don't parenthesise courtesy accidentals
any more, after having a whole slew of them misread in a bunch of fast-moving
highly-chromatic passages. I understand why now; it's that
If you parenthesize the cautionary accidentals, you will NEVER be called
on it by any serious musician. The very best musicians appreciate the
efforts of the composer/arranger/publisher to make them look good.
I can't count the number of times that good musicians have made bad
entrances becaus
e music snobs.
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On 28 November 2014 at 11:35, Steve Parker wrote:
> Music is not an extreme sport where the ‘real men’
Music is NOT an extreme sport.
Those who won't use cautionary accidentals are music snobs.
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On 28 November 2014
On 28 November 2014 at 11:35, Steve Parker wrote:
> Music is not an extreme sport where the ‘real men’ don’t use safety kit…..
Well said that man!
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Or for those that wish their music to be sight-read safely during a session
costing £20,000+.
And a dozen other reasons.
Music is not an extreme sport where the ‘real men’ don’t use safety kit…..
Steve P.
> On 26 Nov 2014, at 18:45, Patrick Sheehan
> wrote:
>
> Let's hope so! Cautionary (and
Let's hope so! Cautionary (and courtesy) accidentals are for the weak!
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