Re: [fink-core] upgrade process for big sur/dpkg1.16

2020-08-29 Thread Justin Hallett 
The old debs will still work the same way as it’s part of the postinstscript.

Just the content in the deb of the la files will differ the end result will be 
the same.
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> On Aug 28, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Daniel Macks  wrote:
> 
> (continuing with top-posting pattern of this thread...) If we don't do la 
> cleanup when installing old deb, then there will be bits present in the 
> installed la that will either easily break building other packages or lead to 
> propagated binary differences in them. The cleanup removes bits that trigger 
> additional (but needless) -lfoo flags...uncontrolled inherited BDep. The 
> current cleanup method definitely breaks md5sums, but was the only way to get 
> consistent and non-weirdly-breaking end-user experience that we could find 
> ("least crappy solution that was actually doable without a time machine"). 
> Clearing those bits when creating the .deb is the perfect solution, but we'd 
> have to disallow uncleared .deb if we don't do the clearing in PostInst. 
> Maybe if we're making such a hard break we should actually do that?
> 
> dan
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/28/20, 3:24 PM, "Justin Hallett"  wrote:
> 
>It will work, new debs won’t work with old dpkg but there is a dpkg 
> pre-depends injected into them
>The difference is triggers, and some of the la processing.  Current fink 
> breaks debsums (and Debian rules) as it changes the la files after install, 
> this changes the md5sum and thus breaks debsums to check for changed files.
> 
>The new dpkg deals with it before, and uses triggers from the fink 
> packages to do other than that used to be injected into postinst script.
> 
>Older dpkg will just ignore fields is doesn’t know like pre-depends and 
> triggers.  But a deb built with the dplg1.16 branch and the someone built 
> with master won’t be the same deb which breaks fink policy.  Most of the 
> changes and differences are all in the la files and the Debian control 
> directory.  So the binaries and libs will be the same.
> 
>In summary there is no danger I made sure of it.  But fink policy needs to 
> be amended if we want to allow upgrades.
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>On Aug 28, 2020, at 1:17 PM, f...@snaggledworks.com wrote:
> 
>Will old debs work with the new dpkg? Or is the deb compatibility broken 
> in both directions?
> 
>If we're going to need a new tree (called "11.0"?), what distributions 
> should we put into it? Obviously macOS 11.0. Should we also put 10.14.5 and 
> 10.15 into it? These two share the same /usr/bin/perl (v5.18.4), but it's 
> different from 11.0 (v5.28.2). However, 11.0 has /usr/bin/perl5.18(.4) as 
> well. Is it worth (possible?) going down to earlier system versions? 
> 10.10-10.14 share the same system-perl (5.18.2)
> 
>Hanspeter
> 
>On 2020-08-28 11:13, Justin Hallett wrote:
> 
>I’m almost positive all the packages are compare (texinfo might have
>an extra split) but you can not put dpkg into the 10.5 tree since
>it’ll break deb compat.  This branch needs a new tree then it can be
>added.
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>On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Alexander Hansen
> wrote:
>On Aug 28, 2020, at 02:42, Hanspeter Niederstrasser
> wrote:
>What's the upgrade process for the dpkg1.16 branch and the dists
>tree?
>Several packages are now essential (e.g. time-date-pm and xz) and
>will have to be moved from their present subfolders in dists to
>'base'. Also, some base packages have newer versions than what's
>in the dpkg1.16 branch source (e.g. libiconv and texinfo). But the
>dpkg1.16 branch versions have needed changes that might be
>incompatible with older fink installs, so we can't just copy
>what's currently in dist to the dpkg1.16 branch, or push the
>dpkg1.16 branch versions directly into dists. Or are dpkg1.16
>packages compatible with legacy dpkg?
>Hanspeter
> 
> 
>At minimum, the most logical thing to do would be to update
>libiconv, texinfo, et. al. in the dpkg1.16 branch and also apply the
>branch-specific changes - i.e. merge them in a logical sense if not
>in a Git sense.  I hate to say it, but this might be a case for a
>new distro and clean reinstall rather than update in place.  I know
>we just did that for Catalina, but my impression is that Big Sur is
>going to change a bunch of stuff.
>--
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Re: [fink-core] upgrade process for big sur/dpkg1.16

2020-08-28 Thread Justin Hallett 
It will work, new debs won’t work with old dpkg but there is a dpkg pre-depends 
injected into them

The difference is triggers, and some of the la processing.  Current fink breaks 
debsums (and Debian rules) as it changes the la files after install, this 
changes the md5sum and thus breaks debsums to check for changed files.

The new dpkg deals with it before, and uses triggers from the fink packages to 
do other than that used to be injected into postinst script.

Older dpkg will just ignore fields is doesn’t know like pre-depends and 
triggers.  But a deb built with the dplg1.16 branch and the someone built with 
master won’t be the same deb which breaks fink policy.  Most of the changes and 
differences are all in the la files and the Debian control directory.  So the 
binaries and libs will be the same.

In summary there is no danger I made sure of it.  But fink policy needs to be 
amended if we want to allow upgrades.
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> On Aug 28, 2020, at 1:17 PM, f...@snaggledworks.com wrote:
> 
> Will old debs work with the new dpkg? Or is the deb compatibility broken in 
> both directions?
> 
> If we're going to need a new tree (called "11.0"?), what distributions should 
> we put into it? Obviously macOS 11.0. Should we also put 10.14.5 and 10.15 
> into it? These two share the same /usr/bin/perl (v5.18.4), but it's different 
> from 11.0 (v5.28.2). However, 11.0 has /usr/bin/perl5.18(.4) as well. Is it 
> worth (possible?) going down to earlier system versions? 10.10-10.14 share 
> the same system-perl (5.18.2)
> 
> Hanspeter
> 
> On 2020-08-28 11:13, Justin Hallett wrote:
>> I’m almost positive all the packages are compare (texinfo might have
>> an extra split) but you can not put dpkg into the 10.5 tree since
>> it’ll break deb compat.  This branch needs a new tree then it can be
>> added.
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>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Alexander Hansen
>>>  wrote:
>>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 02:42, Hanspeter Niederstrasser
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> What's the upgrade process for the dpkg1.16 branch and the dists
>>>> tree?
>>>> Several packages are now essential (e.g. time-date-pm and xz) and
>>>> will have to be moved from their present subfolders in dists to
>>>> 'base'. Also, some base packages have newer versions than what's
>>>> in the dpkg1.16 branch source (e.g. libiconv and texinfo). But the
>>>> dpkg1.16 branch versions have needed changes that might be
>>>> incompatible with older fink installs, so we can't just copy
>>>> what's currently in dist to the dpkg1.16 branch, or push the
>>>> dpkg1.16 branch versions directly into dists. Or are dpkg1.16
>>>> packages compatible with legacy dpkg?
>>>> Hanspeter
>>> At minimum, the most logical thing to do would be to update
>>> libiconv, texinfo, et. al. in the dpkg1.16 branch and also apply the
>>> branch-specific changes - i.e. merge them in a logical sense if not
>>> in a Git sense.  I hate to say it, but this might be a case for a
>>> new distro and clean reinstall rather than update in place.  I know
>>> we just did that for Catalina, but my impression is that Big Sur is
>>> going to change a bunch of stuff.
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Re: [fink-core] upgrade process for big sur/dpkg1.16

2020-08-28 Thread Justin Hallett 
I’m almost positive all the packages are compare (texinfo might have an extra 
split) but you can not put dpkg into the 10.5 tree since it’ll break deb 
compat.  This branch needs a new tree then it can be added.
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> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Alexander Hansen  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 02:42, Hanspeter Niederstrasser  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What's the upgrade process for the dpkg1.16 branch and the dists tree?
>> 
>> Several packages are now essential (e.g. time-date-pm and xz) and will have 
>> to be moved from their present subfolders in dists to 'base'. Also, some 
>> base packages have newer versions than what's in the dpkg1.16 branch source 
>> (e.g. libiconv and texinfo). But the dpkg1.16 branch versions have needed 
>> changes that might be incompatible with older fink installs, so we can't 
>> just copy what's currently in dist to the dpkg1.16 branch, or push the 
>> dpkg1.16 branch versions directly into dists. Or are dpkg1.16 packages 
>> compatible with legacy dpkg?
>> 
>> Hanspeter
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> At minimum, the most logical thing to do would be to update libiconv, 
> texinfo, et. al. in the dpkg1.16 branch and also apply the branch-specific 
> changes - i.e. merge them in a logical sense if not in a Git sense.  I hate 
> to say it, but this might be a case for a new distro and clean reinstall 
> rather than update in place.  I know we just did that for Catalina, but my 
> impression is that Big Sur is going to change a bunch of stuff.
> 
> -- 
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> Fink User Liaison
> 
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Re: [fink-core] mirrors

2019-03-21 Thread Justin Hallett 
Well right now there is no DNS at all, so it more complicated then X to Y

First we need to know where the DNS is hosted cause the current primary and 
secondary for it are gone.

   Name Server: NS.IG42.ORG
   Name Server: NS3.IG42.ORG

These are the current and they are gone, no longer respond at all.

host NS.IG42.ORG
Host NS.IG42.ORG not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

host ns3.ig42.org
Host ns3.ig42.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Which is why we have no DNS and no mirrors.  I have no idea what UI you see or 
what options but is ther ea list for the primaries?
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> On Mar 21, 2019, at 7:40 AM, Daniel Macks  wrote:
> 
> I can change whatever settings in DNS (dotster account), someone just needs 
> to say "change [X] to [Y]". For these purposes, consider that I have no idea 
> what a zone file is or where I would put it (since I do not actually have any 
> server).
> 
> dan
> 
> On 3/21/19, 9:31 AM, "Justin Hallett"  wrote:
> 
>No idea that is what we are waiting on, last I heard the core team does, 
> that is what dmacks said in IRC.  Currently wish I did ;)
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>On Mar 21, 2019, at 6:44 AM, Hanspeter Niederstrasser 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>On 3/20/19 6:49 AM, Justin Hallett wrote:
> 
>I’m guessing we are just going to let the mirrors die? Should I turn it 
> off on snitch to save resources?
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>Who has control of the DNS settings?
> 
>Hanspeter
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Re: [fink-core] mirrors

2019-03-21 Thread Justin Hallett 
No idea that is what we are waiting on, last I heard the core team does, that 
is what dmacks said in IRC.  Currently wish I did ;)
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> On Mar 21, 2019, at 6:44 AM, Hanspeter Niederstrasser 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/20/19 6:49 AM, Justin Hallett wrote:
>> I’m guessing we are just going to let the mirrors die? Should I turn it off 
>> on snitch to save resources?
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> Who has control of the DNS settings?
> 
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Re: [fink-core] Criteria (both man and machine) for a replacement for the mirror volunteer? Re: [Fink-users] Is Fink alive? (fwd)

2019-03-16 Thread Justin Hallett 
Just to be clear, the master mirror is still 100% functional, the DNS zone has 
been removed and we are trying to restore it.

That being said more mirrors are always welcome and in the fink git there is a 
scripts repo, it contains everything to mirror and run bindists and distfiles 
mirrors.
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> On Mar 16, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Alexander Hansen  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 05:44, Glenn Forbes Fleming Larratt  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> Are you seeking a volunteer or volunteers to replace the individual who no 
>> longer can maintain the Fink mirrors?
>> 
>> If so, what are the criteria/requirements - both for the person and the 
>> necessary system(s) - for such a volunteer? I am tentatively interested.
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> --
>> Glenn Forbes Fleming Larratt
>> Cornell University IT Security Office
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 04:03:56 +
>> From: Alexander Hansen 
>> To: Glenn Forbes Fleming Larratt 
>> Subject: Re: [Fink-users] Is Fink alive?
>> 
>> I’d say email fink-core@lists.sourceforge.net and ask.  There aren’t any 
>> specific technical requirements.
>> Knowledge of how administer the machine(s) to handle problems is important.
>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 08:53, Glenn Forbes Fleming Larratt 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Apologies for the typoe - that should say "technical info", not "technical 
>> issue".
>> 
>> -g
>> --
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>> 
> 
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> Sorry for the delay in passing this on.  I’ve been in a major crunch at work 
> for a couple of weeks and list moderation fell by the wayside.
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Re: [fink-core] mirrors

2019-03-14 Thread Justin Hallett 
It looks like the NS servers for it are gone

ns.ig42.org and ns3.ig42.org no longer exist from what I can see

Maybe we can point it to ns1.finkproject.org and I setup the zone, and 
secondary it to he.net like finkproject.org is??
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> On Mar 14, 2019, at 2:08 PM, Justin Hallett  wrote:
> 
> Looks the entire zone is done, dog, nslookup and online tools return NOTHING 
> for finkmirrors.net
> 
> The zone should have
> 
> @ A -> 72.13.188.158
> www CNAME -> @
> yeg.ab.ca A -> 72.13.188.158
> master CNAME -> yeg.ab.ca
> master.ca CNAME -> yeg.ab.ca
> master.us CNAME -> yeg.ab.ca
> distfiles.yeg.ab.ca A -> 72.13.188.158
> distfiles CNAME -> distfiles.yeg.ab.ca
> distfiles.master CNAME -> distfiles.yeg.ab.ca
> 
> There should be an entry for ber.de.eu but I’m not sure what the IP is
> ber.de.eu A -> ???
> master.eu CNAME -> ber.de.eu
> 
> So someone should recreate this I guess??
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>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Daniel Macks  wrote:
>> 
>> fink-core owns it:) Which DNS record(s) should be changed to what values?
>> 
>> dan
>> 
>> On 3/13/19, 11:59 PM, "Alexander Hansen"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>   Hey, folks.
>> 
>>   Our mirror issue is just that the finkmirrors.net domain needs to be 
>> fixed.  Does anybody remember who owns it?
>> 
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Re: [fink-core] mirrors

2019-03-14 Thread Justin Hallett 
Looks the entire zone is done, dog, nslookup and online tools return NOTHING 
for finkmirrors.net

The zone should have

@ A -> 72.13.188.158
www CNAME -> @
yeg.ab.ca A -> 72.13.188.158
master CNAME -> yeg.ab.ca
master.ca CNAME -> yeg.ab.ca
master.us CNAME -> yeg.ab.ca
distfiles.yeg.ab.ca A -> 72.13.188.158
distfiles CNAME -> distfiles.yeg.ab.ca
distfiles.master CNAME -> distfiles.yeg.ab.ca

There should be an entry for ber.de.eu but I’m not sure what the IP is
ber.de.eu A -> ???
master.eu CNAME -> ber.de.eu

So someone should recreate this I guess??
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> On Mar 14, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Daniel Macks  wrote:
> 
> fink-core owns it:) Which DNS record(s) should be changed to what values?
> 
> dan
> 
> On 3/13/19, 11:59 PM, "Alexander Hansen"  wrote:
> 
>Hey, folks.
> 
>Our mirror issue is just that the finkmirrors.net domain needs to be 
> fixed.  Does anybody remember who owns it?
> 
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Re: [fink-core] mirrors

2019-03-14 Thread Justin Hallett 
Sorry I meant yeg.ab.ca.finkmirrors.net and distfiles.master.finkmirrors.net
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> On Mar 14, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Justin Hallett  wrote:
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> Firstly it should resolve to something, anything, the entire zone is missing, 
> finkmirrors.net and www should go to snitch but they aren’t set at all.
> 
> Then all the mirror entries are also missing, so master should point to 
> edm.ab, edm.ab should point to snitch, etc etc
> 
> If you use dig locally you’ll see there is no zone at all hence nothing is 
> working at all.
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>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Daniel Macks  wrote:
>> 
>> fink-core owns it:) Which DNS record(s) should be changed to what values?
>> 
>> dan
>> 
>> On 3/13/19, 11:59 PM, "Alexander Hansen"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>Hey, folks.
>> 
>>Our mirror issue is just that the finkmirrors.net domain needs to be 
>> fixed.  Does anybody remember who owns it?
>> 
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Re: [fink-core] mirrors

2019-03-14 Thread Justin Hallett 
Firstly it should resolve to something, anything, the entire zone is missing, 
finkmirrors.net  and www should go to snitch but they 
aren’t set at all.

Then all the mirror entries are also missing, so master should point to edm.ab, 
edm.ab should point to snitch, etc etc

If you use dig locally you’ll see there is no zone at all hence nothing is 
working at all.
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> On Mar 14, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Daniel Macks  wrote:
> 
> fink-core owns it:) Which DNS record(s) should be changed to what values?
> 
> dan
> 
> On 3/13/19, 11:59 PM, "Alexander Hansen"  wrote:
> 
>Hey, folks.
> 
>Our mirror issue is just that the finkmirrors.net domain needs to be 
> fixed.  Does anybody remember who owns it?
> 
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Re: [fink-core] perl5162-core building and installing problems

2019-01-07 Thread Justin Hallett 
Oh I do run a MUCH newer dpkg so that might be why I do not see this issue at 
all.
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> On Jan 7, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Leigh Smith  wrote:
> 
> So digging further, the problem installing perl5162-core appears to be due to 
> a bug in dpkg handling directories that differ in capitalisation when 
> installing on a case sensitive file system.
> 
> /sw/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/version/Internals.pod
> 
> was unable to be installed because /sw/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/version/ was not 
> created. 
> 
> Checking with dpkg the created perl5162-core_5.16.2-103_darwin-x86_64.deb 
> shows that /sw/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/version/ is within the deb file and 
> /sw/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/Version/, however the lower case version was not 
> being created, while /sw/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/Version was being created 
> which only had one file. 
> 
> ls -l /sw/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/Version   
>  
> total 32
> -r--r--r--  1 root  admin  14605  7 Jan 11:47 Requirements.pm
> 
> So dpkg seems to be confused when two directories differing in case should be 
> created on a case sensitive APFS file system. Manually creating the directory:
> 
> sudo mkdir /sw/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/version/
> 
> then allows perl5162-core to install, no longer complaining about 
> Internals.pod being unable to be installed.
> 
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Re: [fink-core] perl5162-core build failing on 10.14

2019-01-07 Thread Justin Hallett 
We have been noticing that the missing symlinks form 10.0 are not always being 
created on update to 10.1 and haven’t figured out why.  That or maybe they are 
only being created on upgrade and not for ppl that install 10.1 directly.  
Either way the current symlink is

lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Oct 31 07:24 /usr/lib/libgcc_s.10.4.dylib -> 
libgcc_s.10.5.dylib

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 30948 Oct  6  2017 /usr/lib/libgcc_s.10.5.dylib

Do you have 10.5.dylib?
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> On Jan 7, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Leigh Smith  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the reference. 
> 
> I should have mentioned that I’m building with Xcode 10.1 and 
> Command_Line_Tools_macOS_10.14_for_Xcode_10.1.dmg and I’m only seeing the 
> symlink for libgcc_s.1.dylib@ -> libSystem.dylib, not a symlink of 
> libgcc_s.10.4.dylib -> libSystem.dylib.
> 
> To verify there wasn’t a problem with installation, I reinstalled that 
> cli-tools.dmg and still don’t see a symlink for libgcc_s.10.4.dylib being 
> created. Examining the Command\ Line\ Tools\ \(macOS\ Mojave\ version\ 
> 10.14\).pkg file shows that 
> ./Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.tbd 
> exists in the package, but no other similar symlink. So I’m wondering how the 
> symlink was created during your cli-tools install? Or am I not installing the 
> proper cli-tools 10.1 package?
> 
> Obviously I could try manually creating such a link, although even with sudo, 
> I’m being prevented from doing so by MacOS X:
> 
> sudo ln -s libgcc_s.10.4.dylib libSystem.dylib
> ln: libSystem.dylib: Operation not permitted
> 
> Any insight greatly appreciated!
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2019, at 4:29 pm, Justin Hallett  wrote:
>> 
>> The link in Xcode 10.0 was missing when I updated to Xcode 10.1 and 
>> cli-tools 10.1 the link was created in /usr/lib and it builds fine.
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Re: [fink-core] perl5162-core build failing on 10.14

2019-01-06 Thread Justin Hallett 
The link in Xcode 10.0 was missing when I updated to Xcode 10.1 and cli-tools 
10.1 the link was created in /usr/lib and it builds fine.
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> On Jan 6, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Leigh Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I was able to use fingolfin’s mh:1014 forked branch of fink to bootstrap on a 
> 10.14.2 system and get most packages building fine, with the Apple developer 
> tools and the headers installed. One problem I’m hitting is that 
> perl5162-core fails (which is a dependency for texi2html which is a 
> dependency for many other packages).
> 
> The build error reported several times is:
> 
> ld: library not found for -lgcc_s.10.4
> 
> i.e. during the build:
> 
> Running Mkbootstrap for DB_File ()
> Processing extracted/DBidiClass.txt
> chmod 644 DB_File.bs
> gcc -c  -I/usr/local/BerkeleyDB/include -I/sw/include -fno-common 
> -DPERL_DARWIN -no-cpp-precomp -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -fstack-protector 
> -I/usr/local/include -O3   -DVERSION=\"1.826\" -DXS_VERSION=\"1.826\"  
> "-I../.."  -D_NOT_CORE  -DmDB_Prefix_t=size_t -DmDB_Hash_t=u_int32_t   
> DB_File.c
> 1 warning generated.
> gcc -c  -I./zlib-src -I/sw/include -fno-common -DPERL_DARWIN -no-cpp-precomp 
> -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -fstack-protector -I/usr/local/include -O3   
> -DVERSION=\"2.048\" -DXS_VERSION=\"2.048\"  "-I../.."  -DNO_VIZ -DZ_SOLO   
> -DGZIP_OS_CODE=3  crc32.c
> cp Cwd.bs ../../lib/auto/Cwd/Cwd.bs
> chmod 644 ../../lib/auto/Cwd/Cwd.bs
> rm -f ../../lib/auto/Cwd/Cwd.bundle
> env MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.3 cc  -L/sw/lib -bundle -undefined 
> dynamic_lookup -L/usr/local/lib -fstack-protector Cwd.o  -o 
> ../../lib/auto/Cwd/Cwd.bundle  \
>   \
> 
> ld: library not found for -lgcc_s.10.4
> clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see 
> invocation)
> make[1]: *** [../../lib/auto/Cwd/Cwd.bundle] Error 1
> Unsuccessful make(dist/Cwd): code=512 at make_ext.pl line 466.
> make: *** [lib/auto/Cwd/Cwd.bundle] Error 25
> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
> 
> I assumed this was because a gcc other than the system default was required. 
> This error occurred with no fink gcc built. Attempting to build perl5162-core 
> with both gcc7 and gcc8 then built prior to perl5162-core, produced the same 
> failure with the same problem. This occurred without changing the 
> CompileScript commands, and also with the CompileScript commands to changed 
> to (in the case of gcc-7):
> 
> CompileScript: <<
> #!/bin/sh -ev
> sh Configure -desr -Dcc="gcc-7" -Dcpp="-gcc-7 -E" -Dprefix=%p 
> -Dccflags=-I%p/include -Dldflags=-L%p/lib -Dperladmin=none 
> -Uinstallusrbinperl -Dprivlib="%p/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2" 
> -Darchlib="%p/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/darwin-thread-multi-2level" 
> -Dman3dir="%p/lib/perl5-core/5.16.2/man/man3" -Dman3ext=3pm 
> -Dscriptdir="%p/bin" -Duseithreads -Dinc_version_list=none 
> -Adefine:startperl="#!%p/bin/perl5.16.2" -Adefine:perlpath="%p/bin/perl5.16.2"
> make
> <<
> 
> so that doesn’t seem to be the explanation. Can anyone shed any light on the 
> behaviour and if they can reproduce the problem?
> 
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Re: [fink-core] Snitch

2018-12-18 Thread Justin Hallett 
Okay it’s official I just signed the documents and gave notice, Jan 18th will 
be my final day so we must move before that day.  Obviously the closer to that 
day the less time I’ll have to spend on moving it ;)
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> On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Justin Hallett  wrote:
> 
> So snitch is currently a Dell PowerEdge 2850
> 
> 2 core (Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz)
> 16 Gigs of Ram
>  totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache   available
> Mem:   15Gi   6.0Gi   1.3Gi   176Mi   8.4Gi   
> 9.2Gi
> 
> 900G SAS Raid 10
> /dev/sda1   882G  387G  450G  47% /
> 
> 
> That being said it’s normally maxed out all the time
> 
> It could use more cores for sure, Ram seems okay most of the time, if I had a 
> wish list though I’d do 4 or 8 cores and 32 Gigs Ram
> 
> Storage for a VPS is the issue though it’s not easy to find high storage.
> 
> For example from Linode
> 
> For Mem required
> Linode 16GB   16 GB   6 Cores 320 GB SSD  8 TB40 Gbps 6000 Mbps   
> $80 / mo ($.12 / hr)
> 
> For HDD required
> Linode 32GB   32 GB   8 Cores 640 GB SSD  16 TB   40 Gbps 7000 Mbps   
> $160 / mo ($.24 / hr)
> 
> But $160/mo isn’t cheap at all and I doubt we have that available.
> 
> yourserver.se is more $$
> 
> OVH VPS Cloud RAM 3 is 4 cores, 24GB Ram 46.99/mo and you can add HDD on 
> demand, 500GB for 42/mo
> 
> The PDB is the CPU hog, and the bindist and distfiles are the HDD hogs.
> 
> We could separate things, that might keep the website and wiki faster, move 
> the PDB do a different VPS which more CPUs and RAM, and then add storage to 
> the first VPS for bindist and distfiles.
> 
> If I had my time back that is how I would have set it up here, 2 systems 
> keeping things faster and easier to manage.
> 
> Could do a
> 
> Nanode 1GB1 GB1 Core  25 GB SSD   1 TB40 Gbps 1000 Mbps   
> $5 / mo ($.0075 / hr)
> or
> Linode 2GB2 GB1 Core  50 GB SSD   2 TB40 Gbps 2000 Mbps   
> $10 / mo ($.015 / hr)
> 
> For the web and wiki and add some block storage to it for bindist and 
> distfiles
> Block Storage Pricing
> $0.10/GiB per month
> https://www.linode.com/blockstorage
> 
> Then
> 
> Linode 8GB8 GB4 Cores 160 GB SSD  5 TB40 Gbps 5000 Mbps   
> $40 / mo ($.06 / hr)
> 
> For PDB
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>> On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Justin Hallett  wrote:
>> 
>> Linode is who I use personally and I love them, I have tried OVH which was 
>> okay, but linode’s UI was far superior.
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>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2018, at 6:46 AM, dak180 via fink-core 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For VPS I have heard very good things about linode and 
>>> https://promo.linode.com/atp/ plus code atp2018 would get us a $20 credit.
>>> 
>>>> On 2018/12/18, at 8:08 AM, Justin Hallett  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ll look around and get some pricing today, I’ll also look at our current 
>>>> usage to try and match it up.
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Re: [fink-core] Snitch

2018-12-18 Thread Justin Hallett 
So snitch is currently a Dell PowerEdge 2850

2 core (Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz)
16 Gigs of Ram
  totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:   15Gi   6.0Gi   1.3Gi   176Mi   8.4Gi   9.2Gi

900G SAS Raid 10
/dev/sda1   882G  387G  450G  47% /


That being said it’s normally maxed out all the time

It could use more cores for sure, Ram seems okay most of the time, if I had a 
wish list though I’d do 4 or 8 cores and 32 Gigs Ram

Storage for a VPS is the issue though it’s not easy to find high storage.

For example from Linode

For Mem required
Linode 16GB 16 GB   6 Cores 320 GB SSD  8 TB40 Gbps 6000 Mbps   
$80 / mo ($.12 / hr)

For HDD required
Linode 32GB 32 GB   8 Cores 640 GB SSD  16 TB   40 Gbps 7000 Mbps   
$160 / mo ($.24 / hr)

But $160/mo isn’t cheap at all and I doubt we have that available.

yourserver.se is more $$

OVH VPS Cloud RAM 3 is 4 cores, 24GB Ram 46.99/mo and you can add HDD on 
demand, 500GB for 42/mo

The PDB is the CPU hog, and the bindist and distfiles are the HDD hogs.

We could separate things, that might keep the website and wiki faster, move the 
PDB do a different VPS which more CPUs and RAM, and then add storage to the 
first VPS for bindist and distfiles.

If I had my time back that is how I would have set it up here, 2 systems 
keeping things faster and easier to manage.

Could do a

Nanode 1GB  1 GB1 Core  25 GB SSD   1 TB40 Gbps 1000 Mbps   
$5 / mo ($.0075 / hr)
or
Linode 2GB  2 GB1 Core  50 GB SSD   2 TB40 Gbps 2000 Mbps   
$10 / mo ($.015 / hr)

For the web and wiki and add some block storage to it for bindist and distfiles
Block Storage Pricing
$0.10/GiB per month
https://www.linode.com/blockstorage

Then

Linode 8GB  8 GB4 Cores 160 GB SSD  5 TB40 Gbps 5000 Mbps   
$40 / mo ($.06 / hr)

For PDB
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> On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Justin Hallett  wrote:
> 
> Linode is who I use personally and I love them, I have tried OVH which was 
> okay, but linode’s UI was far superior.
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> 
>> On Dec 18, 2018, at 6:46 AM, dak180 via fink-core 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> For VPS I have heard very good things about linode and 
>> https://promo.linode.com/atp/ plus code atp2018 would get us a $20 credit.
>> 
>>> On 2018/12/18, at 8:08 AM, Justin Hallett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ll look around and get some pricing today, I’ll also look at our current 
>>> usage to try and match it up.
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Re: [fink-core] Snitch

2018-12-18 Thread Justin Hallett 
Linode is who I use personally and I love them, I have tried OVH which was 
okay, but linode’s UI was far superior.
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> On Dec 18, 2018, at 6:46 AM, dak180 via fink-core 
>  wrote:
> 
> For VPS I have heard very good things about linode and 
> https://promo.linode.com/atp/ <https://promo.linode.com/atp/> plus code 
> atp2018 would get us a $20 credit.
> 
>> On 2018/12/18, at 8:08 AM, Justin Hallett > <mailto:the...@southofheaven.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ll look around and get some pricing today, I’ll also look at our current 
>> usage to try and match it up.
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Re: [fink-core] Snitch

2018-12-18 Thread Justin Hallett 
The Pro to a VPS is that it would be offsite and thus not dependant on were 
anyone of us works.

The Con is that there would be a monthly or yearly cost and I’ll have to shop 
around for the amount of storage we require.

I’ll look around and get some pricing today, I’ll also look at our current 
usage to try and match it up.
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> On Dec 18, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Hanspeter Niederstrasser 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 12/16/18 11:00 AM, Justin Hallett wrote:
>> Hi Core Team,
>> I have been waiting for dmacks to get back on IRC but that doesn’t seem to 
>> be happening ;)
>> It’s with sadness that I have to inform everyone that we need to move Snitch 
>> in the next month.  I’m not sure if the fink teams would like to just get a 
>> VPS and I could move and set everything up.
>> The hardware on snitch is very old and not really worth shipping as it’s a 
>> Dell PowerEdge 2850, but I’m more then willing to ship it collect if that 
>> helps.  I’m going to be moving on from my current position and will not be 
>> able to host it at my new place of employment.  And no one left at my 
>> current position will be able to deal with it.
>> So lets make a plan and for things sorted to avoid down time.  My time is 
>> sadly VERY limited so a sooner plan is better then a later one as we may run 
>> out of time.
> 
> What are our options with the VPS and what would be gains/drawbacks? Since 
> you're our de facto infrastructure person, would a VPS work best for you?
> 
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[fink-core] Snitch

2018-12-16 Thread Justin Hallett 
Hi Core Team, 

I have been waiting for dmacks to get back on IRC but that doesn’t seem to be 
happening ;)

It’s with sadness that I have to inform everyone that we need to move Snitch in 
the next month.  I’m not sure if the fink teams would like to just get a VPS 
and I could move and set everything up.

The hardware on snitch is very old and not really worth shipping as it’s a Dell 
PowerEdge 2850, but I’m more then willing to ship it collect if that helps.  
I’m going to be moving on from my current position and will not be able to host 
it at my new place of employment.  And no one left at my current position will 
be able to deal with it.

So lets make a plan and for things sorted to avoid down time.  My time is sadly 
VERY limited so a sooner plan is better then a later one as we may run out of 
time.
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Re: [fink-core] Merge #166 ?

2018-12-14 Thread Justin Hallett 
Yes this is the issue and I have a review on the PR for this.
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> On Dec 14, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Hanspeter Niederstrasser 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also, should your ARCHFLAGS have an unresolved $sdkpath and $perlversion? Or 
> are those variables set somehow in that shell?

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Re: [fink-core] Merge #166 ?

2018-12-14 Thread Justin Hallett 
I started a review on your PR for changes.  Your modulebuild won’t work as is 
and that is likely part of the issue.  Also you have an extra patch in there 
which is only for Xcode 10.0 for XCode10.1 it should be removed.
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> On Dec 14, 2018, at 5:18 AM, Max Horn  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12. Dec 2018, at 12:14, Max Horn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12. Dec 2018, at 11:11, Hanspeter Niederstrasser 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 12/11/18 11:14 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
 I was thinking that it might help us if we do the aforementioned merge to 
 facilitate community testing, etc.
 -akh
>>> 
>>> I'm OK with that. TheSin said he'd added a couple local changes on top of 
>>> jwhowarth's pull and been running OK with them. I *think* it might be 
>>> possible to edit the files via the web interface even though the pull comes 
>>> from jwhowarth's clone. I know I can see the edit pencil icon, but I 
>>> haven't tried to actually save a change.
>> 
>> You can probably also push to this PR. And then e.g. squash some changes.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Might be good to have those changes then merge, or just merge as is and 
>>> then ask TheSin to make a pull for his changes and merge them quickly.
>> 
>> Or, make a new PR with all the changes?
>> 
>> By chance, I have finally updated from OS X 10.11 to 10.14, so I guess I 
>> could help.
>> 
>> I just made a new https://github.com/fink/fink/pull/170 with the changes 
>> squashed into a PR, and will now work on addressing the open suggestions, 
>> and test it on my system.
> 
> So that PR seems to work, basically, but various packages have issues. Would 
> be interesting to know what additional changes TheSin has...
> 
> I already pushed a fix for texinfo.info  which enables 
> it on 10.14. But now python27 fails to build (and that blocks a ton of other 
> stuff):
> 
> gcc -fno-strict-aliasing -g -O2 -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -fwrapv -O3 -Wall 
> -Wstrict-prototypes -I_ctypes/darwin -I/sw/include -I. -IInclude -I./Include 
> -I/sw/include -I/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Include 
> -I/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15 -c 
> /sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/darwin/dlfcn_simple.c
>  -o 
> build/temp.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/darwin/dlfcn_simple.o
>  -DMACOSX
> gcc -L/sw/lib -bundle 
> /sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/libpython2.7.dylib 
> -L/sw/lib -L/sw/lib -I. -IInclude -I./Include -I/sw/include 
> build/temp.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/_ctypes.o
>  
> build/temp.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/callbacks.o
>  
> build/temp.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/callproc.o
>  
> build/temp.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/stgdict.o
>  
> build/temp.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/cfield.o
>  
> build/temp.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/malloc_closure.o
>  
> build/temp.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/sw/src/fink.build/python27-2.7.15-1/Python-2.7.15/Modules/_ctypes/darwin/dlfcn_simple.o
>  -L/sw/lib -L. -lffi -ldl -o build/lib.macosx-10.14-x86_64-2.7/_ctypes.so
> 
> Python build finished, but the necessary bits to build these modules were not 
> found:
> bsddb185   dl imageop
> linuxaudiodev  nisossaudiodev
> spwd   sunaudiodevzlib
> To find the necessary bits, look in setup.py in detect_modules() for the 
> module's name.
> (Fink package build should have 7 missing)
> 
> make: *** [sharedmods] Error 1
> ### execution of make failed, exit code 2
> ### execution of /tmp/fink.2ROxo failed, exit code 2
> Removing runtime build-lock...
> Removing build-lock package...
> /sw/bin/dpkg-lockwait -r fink-buildlock-python27-2.7.15-1
> (Reading database ... 91352 files and directories currently installed.)
> Removing fink-buildlock-python27-2.7.15-1 ...
> Failed: phase compiling: python27-2.7.15-1 failed
> 
> 
> 
> Moreover, it seems that building -pm5182 perlmod packages may fail, e.g.:
> 
> Params-Util-1.07/t/13_all.t
> Params-Util-1.07/t/03_all.t
> sudo -u fink-bld [ENV] sh -c /tmp/fink.fdGjL
> /tmp/fink.L76Fh
> #!/bin/sh -ev
> export PERL_EXTUTILS_AUTOINSTALL=--skip
> ARCHFLAGS="-I$sdkpath/System/Library/Perl/$perlversion/darwin-thread-multi-2level/CORE"
>  /usr/bin/arch -x86_64 perl5.18 Makefile.PL PERL="/usr/bin/arch -x86_64 
> perl5.18" PREFIX=/sw INSTALLPRIVLIB=/sw/lib/perl5/5.18.2 
> INSTALLARCHLIB=/sw/lib/perl5/5.18.2/darwin-thread-multi-2level 
> INSTALLSITELIB=/sw/lib/perl5/5.18.2 
>