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2002-12-17 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Dienstag, Dezember 17, 2002, at 05:09 Uhr, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: I'm sorry, but I find David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to be incredibly annoying. Good morning Hisashi, I am sorry that you feel that way. The last thing I wish to be is annoyi

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
I'm sorry, but I find David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to be incredibly annoying. First it was just the the PGP signed messages that I couldn't read in pine 4.50 (I had to get pgpenvelope working to read them) and then it was his trying to take over the whole of fink documentation while, in my American op

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Patrick Näf
David, please allow me to respond more in general than to specific comments. I think I have to rephrase and sum up everything a bit, otherwise the discussion will degenerate into details and nobody will understand anymore what we were initially talking about. Step for step: Motivation: I don'

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Dienstag, Dezember 17, 2002, at 03:12 Uhr, Ben Hines wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 05:53 PM, David wrote: Well if we were to go that route, I could also say, that we do not need the whole survey and nobody needs to put effort

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Ben Hines
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 05:53 PM, David wrote: Well if we were to go that route, I could also say, that we do not need the whole survey and nobody needs to put effort into this. Ah, the "i'll take my toys and go home" angle? Grow up. A short survey would be useful. We don't need to

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Dienstag, Dezember 17, 2002, at 02:46 Uhr, Ben Hines wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 05:18 PM, S Woodside wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 04:54 PM, Patrick Näf wrote: I once more ask the question: what do you

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Ben Hines
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 05:18 PM, S Woodside wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 04:54 PM, Patrick Näf wrote: I once more ask the question: what do you need this data for? I would also be interested to hear from Max Horn and other core people if this is something coordinated.

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread S Woodside
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 04:54 PM, Patrick Näf wrote: I once more ask the question: what do you need this data for? I would also be interested to hear from Max Horn and other core people if this is something coordinated. As someone else already said, it would likely to be a good idea

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Alexander Strange
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 06:38 PM, Patrick Näf wrote: - my occupation Easy. If there's a lot of graphical people working on it, I have more of a motivation to package more GiMP stuff. If there's more developers, I have a motivation to package Red Hat Source Navigator, etc. And these

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Dienstag, Dezember 17, 2002, at 12:38 Uhr, Patrick Näf wrote: To me it is, yes. That one was obvious :-) Amazing ehy ? Oh, there are many. KDE, GNOME, even some GNU projects have or have had efforts in the past to gather a

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Patrick Näf
I dare to ask the question: is this really necessary? To me it is, yes. That one was obvious :-) I find a 30-50 questions survey repulsive! In my eyes it makes fink begin to look like, well, a commercial product. Maybe I have always looked the other way when I encountered one, but after thi

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Carsten Klapp
Gender: -> Do not wish to say I assume the whole survey will be voluntary, no? And no silly javascript-popup-survey either please! ;-P So even if one does not wish to fill it out, one may still use fink Also some of the comments and responses generated in this thread could also be used as

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Montag, Dezember 16, 2002, at 11:43 Uhr, Thom Peters II wrote: The correct terms for gender would be "masculine" and "feminine", unless you're wondering what's between the user's legs, in which case you would be querying Sex and not Gende

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Thom Peters II
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 01:45 PM, David wrote: Please review them carefully and add your comments/answers. - ---start Age: Gender: -> female -> male The correct terms for gender would be "masculine" and "feminine", unless you're wondering what's between the user's legs, in which ca

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Remi Mommsen
Hi, just to add my 2 cents: Please review them carefully and add your comments/answers. - ---start Age: Gender: -> female -> male Occupation: -> Student -> IT-Professional -> Professor Professor is a bit to narrow IMHO. I would ask for researcher/academic staff or similar (I'm a postdoc/

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Jim White
David wrote: Please review them carefully and add your comments/answers. ... How useful is Fink to you? (presents a scale from 1 to 8) -> a bit # # # # # # # # a lot I think it would be informative to ask how often fink and (more importantly) fink-installed packages are used. How o

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Benjamin Reed
> Max and I spoke very carefully about this and he seems to feel, that > it is a good idea to query users. > > Personally I do not wish to be some anonymous provider of a packaging > system. I wish to know who I am doing this for and I wish to be able > to keep it that way. And this is why I haven

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Benjamin Reed
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 16:54, Patrick Näf wrote: > I dare to ask the question: is this really necessary? > > I find a 30-50 questions survey repulsive! In my eyes it makes fink > begin to look like, well, a commercial product. Maybe I have always > looked the other way when I encountered one, but

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Martin Costabel
Patrick Näf wrote: [] Sorry for my extremely negative attitude, but it is what I feel. You are not alone. -- Martin --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility Learn to use your power at OSDN's High

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Montag, Dezember 16, 2002, at 10:54 Uhr, Patrick Näf wrote: I dare to ask the question: is this really necessary? To me it is, yes. I find a 30-50 questions survey repulsive! In my eyes it makes fink begin to look like, well, a c

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Patrick Näf
I dare to ask the question: is this really necessary? I find a 30-50 questions survey repulsive! In my eyes it makes fink begin to look like, well, a commercial product. Maybe I have always looked the other way when I encountered one, but after thinking for 30 seconds I couldn't come up with an

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Max Horn
[...] How useful is Fink to you? (presents a scale from 1 to 8) use an odd number so that a whole number is the middle value. I learned to never do that. When given the choice, many people will just pick the middle value if in doubt, in order to give neither bad nor a good rating. With an

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread S Woodside
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 03:45 PM, David wrote: How much time did the installation of Fink safe you to get unix programs running? -> 15-30 minutes -> 30-60 minutes -> < 2 hours -> < 4 hours -> < 6 hours -> more than 12 hours. unknown? How man packages do you have installed? t

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Sylvain Cuaz
Le lundi, 16 déc 2002, à 21:45 Europe/Paris, David a écrit : What type of Macintosh do you run Fink on? -> beige G3 desktop -> B&W G3 -> iBook -> TiBook -> single G4 -> Dual G4 -> imac rev c -> ibook snow -> Powerbook (Wallstre

[Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hello guys. As you might recall I finally managed to install a facility with which we are able to query our users. This first survey is meant to gauge our user base very carefully. I am planning on 30-50 questions, carefully selected to presen