Re: [Fink-devel] Processing *.texi files

2002-01-20 Thread Ken Williams
On Saturday, January 19, 2002, at 05:45 PM, Martin Costabel wrote: > I think this is normal. It appears also with other packages that install > info files. Most don't specify sections. For an example that does, have > a look at /sw/share/info/gettext.info. In your case with only one info > file,

[Fink-devel] New package: bow

2002-01-20 Thread Ken Williams
Hi, I've submitted a new package, 'bow', for consideration. It's currently at http://sf.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=505980&group_id=17203&atid=414256 . Since it's a new package and not an update of an existing one (and I'm a new package maintainer) I wasn't sure whether submitting it to the

Re: [Fink-devel] New package: bow

2002-01-20 Thread Finlay Dobbie
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 09:06 AM, Ken Williams wrote: > Since it's a new package and not an update of an existing one (and I'm > a new package maintainer) I wasn't sure whether submitting it to the > tracker was enough, or whether I should post an announcement to the > list. So I did

[Fink-devel] Functions in Fink::Services.pm

2002-01-20 Thread Kyle Moffett
I was looking through the fink perlmods, and I came across another function: read_properties_multival. Can someone (Max? Finlay?) please tell me what the difference and usage is between read_properties and read_properties_multival in Services.pm? Thanks, Kyle Moffett ___

Re: [Fink-devel] Weird windowmaker 0.8.0 problem

2002-01-20 Thread Martin Costabel
Max Horn wrote: > > At 10:43 Uhr +0100 18.01.2002, Martin Costabel wrote: > >Max Horn wrote: > >> Obviously, from the error message, this was *not* the usual install > >> program giving the error, but something different, but I fail to see > >> what it might be. Note that I can't reproduce th

[Fink-devel] macgimp and fink (was Re: plan and other package systems)

2002-01-20 Thread David R. Morrison
Mat Caughron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > So here are my suggestions on how to make things work together well: > http://www.macgimp.org/fink Mat, if I can summarize your proposal in one sentence, you propose to use PackageMaker to install an /sw directory (via pax) which would contain

Re: [Fink-devel] Functions in Fink::Services.pm

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 7:49 Uhr -0500 20.01.2002, Kyle Moffett wrote: >I was looking through the fink perlmods, and I came across another >function: read_properties_multival. Can someone (Max? Finlay?) >please tell me what the difference and usage is between >read_properties and read_properties_multival in Servic

[Fink-devel] "man" package

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
May I ask, why does the man package a) use the man version from linux and b) why does it compile its own man version at all - why not a thin script that calls /usr/bin/man but with a custom config file? I don't particulary like the changed behaviour of this man, and in addition, I am basically

Re: [Fink-devel] "man" package

2002-01-20 Thread Jeff Whitaker
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Max Horn wrote: > May I ask, why does the man package a) use the man version from linux > It's not "from" linux - the kernel.org site was just a convenient download location. > b) why does it compile its own man version at all - why not a > thin script that calls /usr/bin/m

[Fink-devel] CD Installer

2002-01-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
Well, it worked. I got the CD installer working, and here's (sorta) proof: http://www.dragonsdawn.net/~gordon/fink/fink-installer.jpg On an almost related note: When I was testing the CD on an iBook, I noticed that gabber was linked against libxmms. I have no idea why yet, but since the gabber

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 03:38, Max Horn wrote: > * shlibs support - I am going to work on this during weekend Cool. I'd love to help, but I'm already involved in too many projects of my own. I just wish there were more hours in a day. Or more days in a weekend. :) > * A way to sign .deb files

Re: [Fink-devel] Functions in Fink::Services.pm

2002-01-20 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 12:28 , Max Horn wrote: > To cite the comment in that file "read properties file with multiple > values per key" Yea, I saw that, but it didn't really explain much. > So, it doesn't support here-documents, but OTOH it allows multiple > values for a single key.

Re: [Fink-devel] "man" package

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 12:41 Uhr -0700 20.01.2002, Jeff Whitaker wrote: >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Max Horn wrote: > >> May I ask, why does the man package a) use the man version from linux >> > >It's not "from" linux - the kernel.org site was just a convenient download >location. OK, it's not a linux version, sorry. Bu

Re: [Fink-devel] CD Installer

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 12:14 Uhr -0800 20.01.2002, Gordon Messmer wrote: >Well, it worked. I got the CD installer working, and here's (sorta) >proof: >http://www.dragonsdawn.net/~gordon/fink/fink-installer.jpg > > >On an almost related note: >When I was testing the CD on an iBook, I noticed that gabber was linked >a

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 12:43 Uhr -0800 20.01.2002, Gordon Messmer wrote: >On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 03:38, Max Horn wrote: [...] > > * Move to a new package format - yes or no, and which. This has to be >> carefully designed, I think. > >If you're going to switch, I think that rpm is the clear choice. Err, I think y

Re: [Fink-devel] Weird windowmaker 0.8.0 problem

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 15:26 Uhr +0100 20.01.2002, Martin Costabel wrote: [...] >My explanation for the case at hand (./Install executed instead of >/usr/bin/install when the make script uses "install") is that the user >uses HFS+, has "." in his PATH that might be it, indeed. Will ask him. > and that he is prob

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Martin Costabel
Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 03:38, Max Horn wrote: > > * Move to a new package format - yes or no, and which. This has to be > > carefully designed, I think. I vote NO. There are excellent reasons for staying with the present format. IMHO one of the secrets of Fink's spectac

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Jeff Whitaker
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Martin Costabel wrote: > Gordon Messmer wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 03:38, Max Horn wrote: > > > > * Move to a new package format - yes or no, and which. This has to be > > > carefully designed, I think. > > I vote NO. There are excellent reasons for staying with the

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Finlay Dobbie
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 09:43 PM, Martin Costabel wrote: >>> * Move to a new package format - yes or no, and which. This has to be >>> carefully designed, I think. > > I vote NO. There are excellent reasons for staying with the present > format. IMHO one of the secrets of Fink's spectacu

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Finlay Dobbie
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 09:49 PM, Jeff Whitaker wrote: > Like they say, If it ain't broke ... But the point is that the current info format is broke, to a certain extent. :-P -- Finlay ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https:

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 21:52 Uhr + 20.01.2002, Finlay Dobbie wrote: >On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 09:49 PM, Jeff Whitaker wrote: > >>Like they say, If it ain't broke ... > >But the point is that the current info format is broke, to a certain >extent. :-P It's lacking features. It's not sufficient to do ever

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Justin Hallett
this isn't true Max, I did make a suggestion to extent to current format. In fact i accidently sent it twice with out knowing. I'll see if i can dig it up if you don't remember. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >My I finally add in that "new format" very well could mean "old >format with extended fea

Re: [Fink-devel] Functions in Fink::Services.pm

2002-01-20 Thread Daniel Parks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 09:28 AM, Max Horn wrote: > At 7:49 Uhr -0500 20.01.2002, Kyle Moffett wrote: >> I was looking through the fink perlmods, and I came across another >> function: read_properties_multival. Can someone (Max? Finlay?)

[Fink-devel] Replacing dpkgs

2002-01-20 Thread Bill Bumgarner
I saw a conversation go by that mentioned the possibility of using an alternative to dpkg for package management... I have no particular preference but thought I would toss out that Apple is moving more and more to using RPM internally and that the OpenPKG project-- a sort of cross platform F

[Fink-devel] Re: macgimp and fink (was Re: plan and other package systems)

2002-01-20 Thread David R. Morrison
Mat Caughron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi David: > > The issue of setting the proper (and non-conflicting!) shell variables is > a very important one, and that's why I'd like for packaged > installations, particularly ones depending on X11, to stick as close as > possible to the default fink

Re: [Fink-devel] Functions in Fink::Services.pm

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 14:35 Uhr -0800 20.01.2002, Daniel Parks wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > > >On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 09:28 AM, Max Horn wrote: > >>At 7:49 Uhr -0500 20.01.2002, Kyle Moffett wrote: >>>I was looking through the fink perlmods, and I came across another >>>functio

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Matt Stephenson
Thought I give you my 2cents, > Anyway, regarding the opposition against a new package format: may I > ask are you actually against: > > * the new format (be it XML, YAML or anything else) > * support for muliple variants > * or both. > > > My I finally add in that "new format" very well could m

[Fink-devel] Re: macgimp pkgs and fink (was Re: plan and other package systems)

2002-01-20 Thread Mat Caughron
David: Hmm, well note that I'm not touching or sourcing any of the ~/.cshrc files. The entire shell script that I'm sourcing is here: [localhost:share/init/tcsh] mat% more init.csh set path = ( /sw/bin /sw/sbin $path /usr/X11R6/bin ) if ( $?MANPATH) then setenv MANPATH /sw/share/man:/sw/man

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Daniel Parks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 01:43 PM, Martin Costabel wrote: > Gordon Messmer wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 03:38, Max Horn wrote: > >>> * Move to a new package format - yes or no, and which. This has to be >>> carefully designed, I think.

[Fink-devel] fink gui (was Re: macgimp pkgs and fink)

2002-01-20 Thread David R. Morrison
Mat Caughron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Quite frankly, I'm ready to give up on Apple's pkg stuff. The only thing > it has to offer at this point is a GUI installation method, which, from > reading the mailing lists, it looks like the fink will have at some point > in the not-too-distant

Re: [Fink-devel] Replacing dpkgs

2002-01-20 Thread David R. Morrison
Bill Bumgarner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw a conversation go by that mentioned the possibility of using an > alternative to dpkg for package management... > > I have no particular preference but thought I would toss out that Apple is > moving more and more to using RPM internally and th

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 9:43 Uhr +1100 21.01.2002, Matt Stephenson wrote: >If we moved to a new package format I vote for XML, but I would also >like to see fink continue to support the current format. In any case we would go on the old format, at least for several months, and possibly for ever. max -- -

Re: [Fink-devel] Replacing dpkgs

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 17:38 Uhr -0500 20.01.2002, Bill Bumgarner wrote: >I saw a conversation go by that mentioned the possibility of using >an alternative to dpkg for package management... > >I have no particular preference but thought I would toss out that >Apple is moving more and more to using RPM internally a

[Fink-devel] man package

2002-01-20 Thread Bill Bumgarner
The linux kernel archives are offline due to a hardware failure... attempting to build the man package is failing. Yes, it'll come back someday. But this raises the question: Do we want to look into building a network of mirrors for the various source bits in Fink? I could do

Re: [Fink-devel] Replacing dpkgs

2002-01-20 Thread Bill Bumgarner
Like I said, I have no opinion on the matter... merely throwing out a bit of information from which others can derive the decision. Personally, I don't care what packaging format is used, as long as it works. b.bum ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAI

Re: [Fink-devel] Replacing dpkgs

2002-01-20 Thread Peter O'Gorman
I know it seems unlikely, but Red Hat closed my bug with a patch to build rpm on MacOSX, with a comment like: Since Apple is working on this port, we don't need to. (Not an exact quote, but..) This is the only info I have, but it does seem strange, cause I'd think that they would have GPL probl

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Jeremy Higgs
>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > > >On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 01:43 PM, Martin Costabel wrote: > >>Gordon Messmer wrote: >>> >>>On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 03:38, Max Horn wrote: >> * Move to a new package format - yes or no, and which. This has to be carefully designed,

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Kyle Moffett
The way I was thinking everything should work is to have to extensions, .info and .xinfo. Then Fink could look for both, and if it is .info, use the old format, and if it is .xinfo, use the new (probably XML) info format. If anybody was interested in YAML info files, then we could also use .

[Fink-devel] SLRN package and keyboard input

2002-01-20 Thread Jeremy Higgs
Hi everyone! I've noticed that with the slrn package, keyboard input doesn't seem to work... Does anyone know how to get this working? (I can't seem to find any other decent newsreaders, for OS X or Linux, and have been recommended SLRN.) Could it be a problem with one of the libraries it dep

Re: [Fink-devel] SLRN package and keyboard input

2002-01-20 Thread Jeremy Higgs
>Hi everyone! > >I've noticed that with the slrn package, keyboard input doesn't seem >to work... Does anyone know how to get this working? (I can't seem >to find any other decent newsreaders, for OS X or Linux, and have >been recommended SLRN.) Could it be a problem with one of the >libraries

Re: [Fink-devel] SLRN package and keyboard input

2002-01-20 Thread Max Horn
At 11:43 Uhr +1100 21.01.2002, Jeremy Higgs wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I've noticed that with the slrn package, keyboard input doesn't seem >to work... Does anyone know how to get this working? (I can't seem >to find any other decent newsreaders, for OS X or Linux, and have >been recommended SLRN.

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 13:03, Max Horn wrote: > At 12:43 Uhr -0800 20.01.2002, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > >If you're going to switch, I think that rpm is the clear choice. > > Err, I think you completly misunderstood me. I am not talking about > going away from debian, I am talking from going fro

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Daniel Parks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 03:50 PM, Kyle Moffett wrote: > The way I was thinking everything should work is to have to extensions, > .info and .xinfo. Then Fink could look for both, and if it is .info, use > the old format, and if it is .xi

Re: [Fink-devel] plan

2002-01-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 13:43, Martin Costabel wrote: > I vote NO. There are excellent reasons for staying with the present > format. IMHO one of the secrets of Fink's spectacular success is just > this extreme simplicity of the format of the info files. If you > complicate this, like with XML wher

Re: [Fink-devel] "man" package

2002-01-20 Thread Christian Swinehart
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 02:41 pm, Jeff Whitaker wrote: >> I don't particulary like the changed behaviour of this man, and in >> addition, I am basically force to use it, unless I decide to remove >> tcltk and python, too (which I did for now) :/ > > What behavior don't you like? As far as

[Fink-devel] db3 (& Evolution)

2002-01-20 Thread Patrick Tescher
Title: db3  (& Evolution) Quick Question, I am down to 2 errors compiling evolution and I was looking around at how it will fit in with the current fink packages. Evolution requires Berkley's db 3.1.17. Splitting db  into db3 and db4 was a good idea, but db3 is version 3.3.11. What do packages t

[Fink-devel] Newbie Questions: Compiling/Upgrading gdk-pixbuf & libtool errors

2002-01-20 Thread Steve Wall
I decided to try to build the Galeon web browser and ran into a dependency problem. Galeon requires that the gdk-pixbuf be a version greater than 0.13, while my fink installed gdk-bixbuf is at 0.11.0. So I tried to build the latest gdk-pixbuf (0.15.0) by copying the .info file for gdk-pixbuf-0.1

Re: [Fink-devel] db3 (& Evolution)

2002-01-20 Thread Peter O'Gorman
Have you tried it with db 3.3 ? Are they really that incompatible? If it doesn't work, I'd suggest adding db-3.1.17 as another source, compiling it static, installing it in somewhere in the build folder, and then linking evolution against the static lib. Did you put the mutexes back into 3.1.17

Re: [Fink-devel] Newbie Questions: Compiling/Upgrading gdk-pixbuf& libtool errors

2002-01-20 Thread Jeremy Higgs
>I decided to try to build the Galeon web browser and ran into a dependency >problem. Galeon requires that the gdk-pixbuf be a version greater than >0.13, while my fink installed gdk-bixbuf is at 0.11.0. So I tried to >build the latest gdk-pixbuf (0.15.0) by copying the .info file for >gdk-pixbu

Re: [Fink-devel] db3 (& Evolution)

2002-01-20 Thread Patrick Tescher
Yeah, I tried it with db 3.3 and 4 and configure won't run unless you have 3.1.17. It even says so in the read me. I guess I will have to follow Peter's advice. > Have you tried it with db 3.3 ? Are they really that incompatible? > If it doesn't work, I'd suggest adding db-3.1.17 as another > sou

[Fink-devel] Re: db3 (& Evolution)

2002-01-20 Thread Dave Vasilevsky
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 11:57 PM, Patrick Tescher wrote: > Quick Question, I am down to 2 errors compiling evolution and I was > looking > around at how it will fit in with the current fink packages. Evolution > requires Berkley's db 3.1.17. Splitting db into db3 and db4 was a good >

Re: [Fink-devel] Newbie Questions: Compiling/Upgrading gdk-pixbuf & libtool errors

2002-01-20 Thread Steve Wall
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 11:09 PM, Jeremy Higgs wrote: > > Have a look in the source for an ltmain.sh file, and look for the version > in that. If it is 1.3.5, you need to update the libtool scripts for > Darwin compatibility, using "UpdateLibtool: true" in the .info. If the > version i

Re: [Fink-devel] Newbie Questions: Compiling/Upgrading gdk-pixbuf& libtool errors

2002-01-20 Thread Jeremy Higgs
>On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 11:09 PM, Jeremy Higgs wrote: >> >>Have a look in the source for an ltmain.sh file, and look for the >>version in that. If it is 1.3.5, you need to update the libtool >>scripts for Darwin compatibility, using "UpdateLibtool: true" in >>the .info. If the version

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: db3 (& Evolution)

2002-01-20 Thread Patrick Tescher
This was actually my first idea, but if someone needs db 3 and db 4 it seems like a lot to have three installations of db. > > On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 11:57 PM, Patrick Tescher wrote: > >> Quick Question, I am down to 2 errors compiling evolution and I was >> looking >> around at how