Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-27 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
At 6:19 PM 06/27/2015, Loet Leydersdorff wrote: Remains the need to specify: 1. The first difference [cf. Shannon's information bits]; 2. The second difference [cf. Brillouin's negentropy]; [KM] Loet, if you stick to first-order logic, there would be no need for recruiting an

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-27 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
From: John Collier [mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 11:10 AM To: l...@leydesdorff.net; 'Koichiro Matsuno'; 'fis' Subject: Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM Sorry Loet, but I just don't see the need for an observer.

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-27 Thread John Collier
al message From: Loet Leydesdorff Date:27/06/2015 10:00 (GMT+02:00) To: 'Koichiro Matsuno' ,John Collier ,'fis' Subject: RE: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM Koichiro: "In order to make them decidable or meaningful, some qualifier must definitely be

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-27 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
o Matsuno Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 9:04 AM To: 'John Collier'; 'fis' Subject: Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM At 4:00 AM 06/27/2015, John Collier wrote: I also see no reason that Bateson’s difference that makes a difference needs to

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-27 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
At 4:00 AM 06/27/2015, John Collier wrote: I also see no reason that Bateson’s difference that makes a difference needs to involve meaning at either end. [KM] Right. The phrase saying “a difference that makes a difference” must be a prototypical example of second-order logic in that the

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-26 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Dear Marcus, Thank you for this simple and absolutely essential intervention. Allowing ourselves the freedom to use the same term—'information' which is the defining term for this entire enterprise—for such different relationships as intrinsic signal properties and extrinsic referential and normat

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-26 Thread John Collier
arcus Abundis'; 'fis' Subject: Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM Dear Marcus and colleagues, Katherine Hayles (1990, pp. 59f.) compared this discussion about the definition of “information” with asking whether a glass is half empty or half full. Shannon-t

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-26 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Marcus and colleagues, Katherine Hayles (1990, pp. 59f.) compared this discussion about the definition of “information” with asking whether a glass is half empty or half full. Shannon-type information is a measure of the variation or uncertainty, whereas Bateson’s “difference which mak

Re: [Fis] It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM

2015-06-26 Thread Andrei Khrennikov
Dear all, I think that Wheeler's "it from bit" was the great step in physics, it was the basis of modern information interpretations of QM, due to Zeilinger and Brukner, and Quantum subjective probability interpretation of QM, QBism of Fuchs. yours, andrei Andrei Khrennikov, Professor of A