> - Don't include default General Midi Bank (that'd be at least 1-2 MB to
> sound reasonable, so it's out of question, that's like bundling fonts in
> the
> player, pointless)
What is "default General Midi Bank"? Are you referring to some sort of
additional sound set? I would definately agree do
John
Were you able to get a sense from the whole list of (a) which specific
MIDI (or MIDI-like) features & implementations are most desired; and (b)
how much they'd be willing to pay for this in player size?
-
*** MIDI in
>
> I haven't checked various pocket devices on MIDI recently, but the
> problem on desktops has been when you get varying capabilities on
> various platforms, so that the same MIDI file can sound different on
> different machines.
>
> jd
>
>
I understand that there are various complications, espec
Hi John,
I haven't checked various pocket devices on MIDI recently, but the
problem on desktops has been when you get varying capabilities on
various platforms, so that the same MIDI file can sound different on
different machines.
Yes, but that's probably because every platform and/or videocard
Tyler Wright wrote:
Also, am I incorrect in understanding that many hand-held devices with Flash
Lite already have MIDI available in some form?
I haven't checked various pocket devices on MIDI recently, but the
problem on desktops has been when you get varying capabilities on
various platform
Also, am I incorrect in understanding that many hand-held devices with Flash
Lite already have MIDI available in some form?
I don't know what the implemenations are or what they would mean to the
common OS. Does anyone have experience with this?
___
Fla
Thank you.
I understand that "Who wants (feature)?" is a very general request. In this
instance I was probing for feedback on the exact same questions you're
asking, which the developers of Flashcoders gave.
To sum up directly, there were a few areas covered in these conversations:
Developers w
xnice!
On 14/12/05, Martin Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I urge you to get someone to have a good read through the discussion.
> There was a lot of good input and i think improving the audio
> capabilities of flash would be a huge step forward for what i consider
> to be the most neglected a
I urge you to get someone to have a good read through the discussion.
There was a lot of good input and i think improving the audio
capabilities of flash would be a huge step forward for what i consider
to be the most neglected aspect of flash.
Or, if all else fails then persuade adobe to buy
I'll give a hint :)
- Don't include default General Midi Bank (that'd be at least 1-2 MB to
sound reasonable, so it's out of question, that's like bundling fonts in the
player, pointless), just provide the engine and some sort of
instrument/patch format we can load
- This is similar to the M
Tyler Wright wrote:
This conversation has now been posted to http://codext.xtyler.com/code/2
I've posted a summary along with a direct quote of the entire conversation
which I hope will continue to receive contributions. If everyone approves,
I'll send it off to MM, though I know they also keep
I should be the one to thank you guys.
Anyone also know the link the the MM wish list?
Tyler
On 12/13/05, Weyert de Boer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yeah, looks nice!
> ___
> Flashcoders mailing list
> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> http://chat
Yeah, looks nice!
___
Flashcoders mailing list
Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Hey Tyler
Good job. Well done. Thanks :-)
Jason
- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI in the Flash Player?
This
This conversation has now been posted to http://codext.xtyler.com/code/2
I've posted a summary along with a direct quote of the entire conversation
which I hope will continue to receive contributions. If everyone approves,
I'll send it off to MM, though I know they also keep up in the Flashcoders
I dunno if this helps anyone but I figured that with all the many
responses to the MIDI thread
this might be interesting for some..and no one mentioned it yet.
I do use flash and actionscript with MIDI and sound input control on a
regular basis nowadays
and the combination rocks indeed.
OK its
One thing that i think could be added to the Sound class now which would
help in creating audio applications in flash is to have a 'polyphony'
setting.
if i make a new sound object and want to control how many voices it uses
it would be great to just say :
var snd:Sound = new Sound();
snd.po
Excellent - Yes do please write up a blogsume.
Thanks Tyler !
Jason
- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI in the Flash P
ssage -
> > From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI in the Flash Player?
> >
> >
> > Of course,
To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI in the Flash Player?
>
>
> Of course, in thinking about this, with the new binary socket
> functionality, midi control could all be done by just writing a
We built a MIDI sequencer for the PC that talks to Flash through an
XMLSocket (though we just send smaller strings, not XML). On both Mac and
Windows versions the code to make a sequencer capable of changing
instruments, transposing, changing tempo, and indivudual volume of
instruments, etc. was l
Hank
Can you expand on that idea please. Sounds interesting...
thanks, Jason
- Original Message -
From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Flashcoders mailing list"
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI
MIDI bandwidth demands can be very misleading. So routing via XML sockets,
Jabber whatever is _great_ for some applications and hopeless real-time
performance-wise for others. Just depends..
Consider simple example of even few sliders built in Flash app from which
you want to send/receive cont
Yeah, I guess you really dont need binary for this although it might
be a tad more efficient. But the data is really pretty low bandwidth
so a XML socket server would be fine. And you are right it would be a
nice to have in flash. Its just that I recently setup a small studio
and everything seems t
Sure, it can already be done without binary sockets using a simple xml
socket based server which translates whichever protocol to and from XML,
for instance theres already flosc, a flash / java solution for OSC
communication, and the same idea can be done for MIDI...but it would
just be nice to
Of course, in thinking about this, with the new binary socket
functionality, midi control could all be done by just writing a simple
localhost to midi gateway. This would be pretty simple to do, and is
probably what is needed anyway to deal with different drivers etc. And
it makes total sense that
This is another side which would be great to open up.
It would be amazing to integrate flash with MIDI controllers and audio
software. I've thought of many interfaces to control audio which would
be a lot easier to create in flash.
Also i can imagine some amazing interactive work combining fl
In combination of a MIDI converter thingy you can control stuff. At a
seminar a group used a gypsy suite as the interface of a game. If you
did specific gestures with your arms and/or legs. A specific MIDI
command got send out to MaxMSP from MotionBuilder. This would then
control create the app
Yes, MAXMSP and PureData are nice applications, do you know how to
trigger a AppleScript with MaxMSP? I would like to change a playlist in
iTunes when a specific value is set. If you know something may I contact
you off list?
Sorry I am not up on Applescript at all...
Try contracting some of t
In addition to keyboards, drum boxes, synths, FX devices and PCs,
there is a valuable world of MIDI control surfaces which include
Mixers. The control surfaces are rally a subset of the "industrial"
uses of MIDI which fall under the rubrik "MIDI SHOW CONTROL" used by
major
Keyboards are very
Yes, MAXMSP and PureData are nice applications, do you know how to
trigger a AppleScript with MaxMSP? I would like to change a playlist in
iTunes when a specific value is set. If you know something may I contact
you off list?
___
Flashcoders mailing l
oops, I forgot to include links to the I-CUBEX set of MIDI sensors
http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/all_categories.php?osCsid=540ddd8aa0ac63e6fb8054c988afefd4
and to Alcorn McBride Show Control equipment
http://www.alcorn.com/products/showcontrol/index.html
Jason
Who wants MIDI in the Flash Player?
YES PLEASE - I WANT MIDI in the Flash Player...
Too many people assume MIDI is just for music, musicians and for musical
instruments. It is not.
Arguably MIDI's greatest success has been in interoperative hardware of many
kinds.
http://www.google.com/searc
If Flash will have anything it won't be general MIDI banks embeded in the
player (= huge size).
SF2 player would be more than enough with ability to embed SF2 files like we
do wijth fonts.. But that.. later.
Making MIDI available through Flash will open another market for Adobe.
Right now gra
Making MIDI available through Flash will open another market for Adobe. Right
now graphic designers and programmers are using Flash, so having musicians on
board would definately make Flash a universal tool. So, I'm all for it!
While we're at it, I suggest take the effort to the next level by co
On 12/7/05, ryanm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Honestly I cant imagine that it is not possible to create a buffer
> > that stores numbers that represent sound waves where the flash engine
> > routes those numbers to the audio out driver. This would be no
> > different than the way flash handles t
+1
I've programmed a software sampler back in the day called Vision Sampler
Software. It was one of the funnest projects I did and got me into
programming. I would love to have more access to the soundbuffer and
midi controller.
Judah
Tyler Wright wrote:
The Flash Player has evolved throu
The availability of MIDI would be nice! It will avoid the use of a
simple server/client system. Most of the time at school we use a old
keyboard for it. For example, earlier this month some class mates used
it to make a music painting canvas. This means you use a old wireless
keyboard, and use
On 12/7/05, ryanm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Raw sockets, are still restricted by the same cross-domain
> > restrictions as exist in flash 7 & 8, so sites have to specifically
> > allow flash clients to connect (opt-in)
> >
> Well, obviously, a virus author would allow connections from othe
Honestly I cant imagine that it is not possible to create a buffer
that stores numbers that represent sound waves where the flash engine
routes those numbers to the audio out driver. This would be no
different than the way flash handles the display buffer using exactly
the same methodology. The au
Raw sockets, are still restricted by the same cross-domain
restrictions as exist in flash 7 & 8, so sites have to specifically
allow flash clients to connect (opt-in)
Well, obviously, a virus author would allow connections from other
domains, to allow his virus to spread. The cross-domain res
I agree...bytearrays aren't anything bad, its just another way to
manipulate data. The only way it could cause problems, is if there are
any exploits in the flash runtime, it would make it slightly (only
slightly) easier to take advantage of them.
Raw sockets, are still restricted by the same cros
How exactly does this audio buffer virus stuff work?
Honestly I cant imagine that it is not possible to create a buffer
that stores numbers that represent sound waves where the flash engine
routes those numbers to the audio out driver. This would be no
different than the way flash handles the disp
I dont understand. Are you saying that raw sockets is a security
nightmare? or bytearrays? or the sound buffer access? Raw sockets and
bytearrays are already in flash 8 so are you saying there is already a
security nightmare? Or are you saying that sound buffer access would
somehow tip the scales
I dont understand. Are you saying that raw sockets is a security
nightmare? or bytearrays? or the sound buffer access? Raw sockets and
bytearrays are already in flash 8 so are you saying there is already a
security nightmare? Or are you saying that sound buffer access would
somehow tip the scales
Personally i would rather see a more open, low level approach to sound in
the player upon which MIDI and other implementations could be developed.
Normally, I am all about giving flexibility to the developer, but raw
sockets + byteArray + laccess to the sound buffer would be a security
nigh
hank williams wrote:
Why bother with compression. This just creates more processor
overhead. a minute of cd quality sound should be 10mbytes. This is not
so bad. I dont know if flash would have any memory issues with this
but I doubt it. In any case it could be chunked. But then the issues
is w
On Dec 7, 2005, at 8:43 AM, hank williams wrote:
But I am really curious about this loader thing. I am not really aware
of it. It sounds like a huge deal.
It is a very cool AS3 feature:
http://www.flashguru.co.uk/actionscript-3-new-capabilities/#more-606
blue skies,
bryan
__
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:07 AM
> > To: Flashcoders mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI in the Flash Player?
> >
> >
> >>the 8.5 player already has an FFT (aka sound spectrum) function built
> >>in, but i think its buggy
al Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank
williams
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:07 AM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI in the Flash Player?
the 8.5 player already has an FFT (aka sound spectrum) function built
in, b
AIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank
> williams
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:07 AM
> To: Flashcoders mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI in the Flash Player?
>
> > the 8.5 player already has an FFT (aka sound spectrum) funct
http://www.richapps.de/?p=23
check it out..;)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank
williams
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:07 AM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Who wants MIDI in the Flash Player?
> the
> the 8.5 player already has an FFT (aka sound spectrum) function built
> in, but i think its buggy (this is what i have read, ive not tried it yet)
>
Are people currently trying to do sound related stuff?
Hank
> :)
>
> martin
> ___
> Flashcoders maili
On another note I also think, particularly with the speed of 8.5, that
it would be great to give us direct access to the sound buffer. I am
not sure how fast 8.5 math will be but if you can do a good FFT we
could be making actual synthesizers and audio processors in flash. To
me that would be cool
I think midi support would be nice. In truth though, the question is a
little broader than midi. It would be great if there were a sandbox
safe way to access USB and/or firewire devices. Midi is but one. It
would need to work something like the way that the webcam access works
where the software as
Very interesting thread. I recall a post on FlashCoders by Alexis
Isaac a while back and I relayed it on my blogsite here:
http://www.statik1.com/mt-weblog/archives/84.html
He's the direct link to it:
http://www.alexisisaac.net/products/flashMidi/, although as Martin
mentioned you can also fin
Pros: Midi gives Flash / you an interface to communicate with the world
out site your computer…and you can even make (sequens) music with it :)
Cons: Lots of bad tunes.
A3
Tyler Wright wrote:
The Flash Player has evolved through the ages to provide the most needed
functionality. Through each
Interesting question, although ive made use of midi everyday for, well,
too long now :), im really not sure if making it part of the player as a
single functional unit would be the best move.
Personally i would rather see a more open, low level approach to sound
in the player upon which MIDI a
I think it would be a great idea for Flash to support MIDI. As you
point out, major advantages over wav and mp3 are the tiny file size
and the potential for allowing Flash to create music dynamically,
even interactively. The biggest drawback (which you also recognized)
is lack of quality contro
The Flash Player has evolved through the ages to provide the most needed
functionality. Through each version there have always remained a few common
goals. What I have found is that:
Flash is small -- from the player itself to the swf file format to the
assets it is optimized to load, focus has
60 matches
Mail list logo
